S4E15: Double Dragon and Double Dragon 2 -or- Brothers in Arms

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Dragon Dragon Double Double. 
Dragon. 

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Come and get me, because it's 
time for the old switcheroo 

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where we're talking gaming retro
with Mike and Jamo. 

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I'm Mike. 
And I'm Jamo we're the often 

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imitated, never emulated retro 
gaming podcast diving deep into 

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the Nintendo Switch Online 
Nintendo Classics catalog. 

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Today we are pulling your hair, 
but not in the fun way. 

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Kind of the fun way as we battle
through Double Dragon and Double

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Dragon 2 for the NES in an 
episode we are they're calling 

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Brothers in Arms. 
If you like what you hear, don't

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forget to like, subscribe, and 
of course, play along. 

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Now, Mike, if Jackie got punched
in the gut and carted off by a 

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gang of ruffians, you'd hit the 
streets with me to get her back,

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right? 
I don't think that's going to be

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the best way to get her back, 
but we could try. 

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We'd sure try, right? 
I think we need some extra 

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muscle here and I happen to know
someone with a lot of experience

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with retro beat em UPS. 
Please welcome Sharon Harrington

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from the 40 something Gamers 
podcast. 

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How you doing Sharon? 
Hey, how you doing buddy? 

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I am. 
I'm doing good. 

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We're happy you're here. 
Thank you, happy to be here. 

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It's it's it's going to be 
really fun. 

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You know, you guys have been 
doing the gods work over at the 

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40 something podcast here with 
your Co host Mark Evas. 

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You've been spreading the gospel
of Sega 90s arcade games. 

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Really appreciate that. 
He's like, you guys know that 

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Daytona USA is a thing and that 
means a lot to me. 

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Oh yeah. 
They told us they they told USA,

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it's solid. 
It's so solid. 

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Mike, did you play? 
Did I make you play Daytona? 

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Daytona. 
Let's go second Saturn. 

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You know what one of my favorite
car crashes is in Daytona, USA 

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because I love the way the car 
crashes. 

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I'll crash your car on purpose 
just to watch it fumble and 

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bumble and roll and it and it 
gets up and it goes and it's 

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like it's still rolling somehow.
But it's like, you know, it's 

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not running straight. 
It's like it's kind of, you 

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know, like it's falling apart 
now. 

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Yeah, I, I, I remember that 
moment, seeing a crash in that 

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game for the first time and 
like, sparks fly and cars are 

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everywhere and. 
That car, that car flies through

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the screen. 
Like it well, flies into the 

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screen and it's like, wow, that 
was a crash. 

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I mean, you see that back in the
90s in the arcade was really 

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cool. 
You know, it didn't just bump, 

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it flew into the wall and it 
would spin over and I was like, 

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OK, that was cool. 
I remember in later Daytona, 

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they toned it down and I was 
like, what are you doing? 

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You don't tone that down. 
Come on. 

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I'm not surprised you love it so
much, though you're I would 

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assume based on the quality of 
classically trained artist, you 

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specialize in acrylic paintings,
airbrushing murals. 

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This piece I'm showing Mike 
right now, late night, late, 

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late light nights. 
It's just really stunning. 

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So what's your process like? 
And, you know, is there any way 

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you kind of find inspiration 
when you're putting a piece like

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this together? 
So I find inspiration in music 

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to Michael Jackson, anything 
like that. 

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And you know, one of my favorite
artists was Christian Rees 

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Lesson has a similar artwork. 
But of course he is. 

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I mean, I know it may be 
subjective, but I feel like his 

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is just better because he's been
doing it probably since before I

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were around. 
And I I I just love that style. 

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And also with Bob Ross, there's 
another guy in Florida. 

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I can't think of his name right 
now. 

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Oh, Waylon. 
He has like the Wheeling walls, 

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like he does just that kind of 
stuff. 

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And I like I love anything to do
with water stores. 

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It's just like peaceful, you 
know, the like you see the fire 

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bugs that's in it the globe. 
I can't think of what they call 

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them the What are those bugs? 
Called Fireflies. 

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Fireflies. 
We used to get those a lot. 

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You know, I live in Mississippi,
so I remember growing up I would

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see fireflies all the time. 
I lived across from the woods, 

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especially like after a storm, 
and they would just light the 

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place up. 
You would just see them just 

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twinkle on like stars back in 
the day and you don't see it so 

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much anymore. 
But I found a way to preserve 

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it, of course with my artwork. 
Yeah. 

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Fireflies are astounded because 
we do not have them on the West 

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Coast. 
No. 

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And so when I lived in 
Nashville, the first time I saw 

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one, like, I thought I was 
having a stroke because it was 

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just this weird flash out of 
like in my vision. 

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And it's like it's not what I 
imagined A Firefly to be. 

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It seemed more more electric to 
it than I had thought and never 

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knows of someone else. 
Just like, what do you stare at 

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like that? 
Weird flashes like you mean the 

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fireflies? 
Like that's what those look 

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like. 
It looks like twinkling stars. 

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Mike, you can't move east 
because otherwise you won't know

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if you're having a stroke or 
not. 

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You'll just be like, oh, this is
the fireflies. 

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I'm sure there'll be other 
signs. 

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I actually just saw Fireflies 
for the first time and this is 

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the Fireflies podcast. 
OK, everyone sit back and enjoy 

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it. 
But I just saw them for the 

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first time in Indiana this 
summer. 

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And I don't know if it's like a 
lot of bugs in Indiana, but 

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there was a lot of bugs in my 
hotel. 

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But like, I didn't, you know, it
didn't, I don't really bother me

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that much, you know what I mean?
It's like world's full of them. 

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It's fine. 
But it was weird to, you know, 

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have something buzzing around me
and I hit something and then 

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just like a glowing smear. 
And I was like, wait, wait, did 

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I just. 
Oh, no. 

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You killed it. 
I I did don't judge me, but I 

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didn't realize it was a Firefly.
I was just in self-defense mode.

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That's OK. 
So is there a retro game series,

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Sharon, that you think just 
really kind of hits you 

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artistically? 
And Mike, I'm curious of your 

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answer too. 
If there's like a aesthetic 

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about old games, if you were 
going to recommend 1 based on 

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the art of it, has anything come
to mind? 

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You know, side double dragon. 
I love Castlevania. 

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Oh yeah. 
I love the Castlevania series 

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and believe it or not, yes, it's
something about Castlevania that

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I love. 
It has just an old, an old world

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aesthetic. 
Yeah. 

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There's some kind of painterly 
about it and I'm pretty sure in 

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one of the double dragon levels 
the the Castlevania moon is 

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there like it's the Crescent 
moon with like the clouds 

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blocking part of it. 
And I was like I level. 4. 

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Level 4. 
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 

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Right before level 4. 
It's Level 3 when you're 

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climbing down the wall and 
you're fighting all the lenders.

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Yes, I remember that. 
Yeah. 

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And I was like, wait a minute, 
Mike is, is there a particular 

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aesthetic of retro games that 
you've, I mean, we, we, we've 

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seen a lot of them throughout 
this, you know, last Four 

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Seasons we've done. 
The first one, just in terms of 

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how it looks, it's coming to 
mind, might be what, ghouls and 

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ghosts in the Genesis. 
Oh yeah. 

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Yes, that's another one. 
Yeah. 

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Ghouls and ghosts. 
And that, that that was 1 was 

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like, even if the game was hard,
you're like, well, this is still

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fun to look at and listen to. 
Yeah, Mike's a big old Hammer 

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Horror film buff, so yeah, 
that's a good go to. 

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Well, guys, our girlfriends 
aren't going to save themselves 

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because this is, you know, 80s 
game, so heaven forbid a woman 

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save herself. 
Are you guys ready to clean up 

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the streets? 
Yeah, well, let's punch our way 

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into Double Dragon on the NES, 
released in 1988. 

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As described on Nintendo 
Classics, a group calling 

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themselves the Black Warriors 
has kidnapped Billy Lee's 

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girlfriend, Marian. 
They demand to know the secrets 

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of Billy's martial arts style in
exchange for his girlfriend. 

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However, Billy won't stand for 
these underhanded tactics and 

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decides to rescue her himself. 
Help him fight through city 

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streets, buildings, jungles, 
temples, and various other 

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locations in a quest to find his
girl. 

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He'll gain experience by using 
different fighting techniques in

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order to obtain more hearts, 
which will unlock more powerful 

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techniques to use against his 
enemies. 

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Keep an eye out for crates, 
boulders, whips, bats, knives, 

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and even dynamite along the way,
as Billy can also use them to 

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annihilate opponents. 
Armed with his mysterious and 

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powerful martial arts help Billy
pummel his way through an array 

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of goons, gang members, and 
other Black Warrior scum to free

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Marion from their clutches. 
Pretty hype, pretty hype. 

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Let's take a look at the front 
of the box, since that was often

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people's purse impressions. 
Mike, would you mind describing 

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it for audio listeners? 
So we have the nice bold double 

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dragon title with kind of it 
says double dragon but it really

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feels more like 1 dragon and 
kind of a cat dog situation 

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behind. 
This cat dog reference for the 

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win. 
Cat. 

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Dog. 
And then we've got the two 

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brothers, one holding a whip, 
one holding a knife, face to 

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face, arms, arms up, and then a 
little bit of a battle scene 

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down below with both of them 
doing both flying kicks, I 

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think, right. 
Yeah, flying kicks. 

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One's armed with a bat, one's 
armed with a chain. 

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Or maybe it's just the whip held
differently. 

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So, Sharon, put your nostalgia 
aside for a second. 

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Do you? 
Are we liking this cover? 

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Oh, I've always loved that 
cover. 

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I like the the four guys 
fighting at the bottom with the 

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city in the background. 
You know, it gives it kind of 

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reminds me of The Karate Kid 
scene, like when they were all 

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fighting and the tournament, the
song was going you're the best 

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around. 
You know, that's what that 

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reminds me of. 
And it has like, you know what 

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the, the Dragons, they, they 
look like, they do look like 

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Wizards, like slash, cat, dog. 
And yeah, it's it's just cool. 

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You know, I've always tried to 
figure out which one is Billy 

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and Jimmy down there. 
I'm almost thinking that the the

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guy far furthest to the left, I 
think that that might be Billy. 

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Yeah, I think so. 
And like, granted, Jimmy's, 

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granted this isn't even a two 
player game. 

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Like, simultaneously, yeah, 
Jimmy is normally wearing red, 

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but it looks like Jimmy's kind 
of kicking that, well, the way 

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the game went, maybe Jimmy's the
guy down from him on the left, 

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you know, he's also wearing, 
like, the blue. 

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But yeah, solid cover I've 
always liked. 

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It's very iconic, you know, And 
I know you have it there, but I 

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also have it here. 
Oh, look at that, He's got the 

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cartridge. 
Not only that, I have it. 

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Here is that the Neo Geo one? 
No, this is the Sega Genesis. 

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Oh wait, that was only in Japan,
wasn't it? 

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It was it's. 
Here now yeah, I I agree with 

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you guys I I think Mike's right 
the big font's really cool am I 

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crazy these two muscular arms 
kind of touch in at the elbows 

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both flexing. 
This is post predator, do you 

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guys think that this? 
You know, well, no Predator came

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out in 1987. 
This came out in 1988. 

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Right, so I'm saying the art for
the Double Dragon box art could 

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could have been influenced by 
Predator. 

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I don't know. 
There's just something about 

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those two beefy arms. 
I do kind of take issue though 

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with the box art very much 
implying that you're going to be

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playing side by side like you 
could in the arcade, you know, 

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and you call your game Double 
Dragon. 

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So it's one player. 
Well, we're going to get into 

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it. 
It is technically two player but

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a little bit misleading, so I 
got some behind the scenes 

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trivia for you guys here. 
According to a 2020 a 2012 

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interview with Polygon, Double 
Dragon was originally developed 

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as a follow up to Niketsu Koya 
Kunyukun, or Renegade as it's 

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released in the West. 
Do you ever play Renegade, 

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Sharon? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, so I guess this was like 
kind of the progenitor of Double

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Dragon and it's a semi 
autobiographical beat em up game

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inspired by the high school 
experience of lead developer 

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Yoshihisa Kishimoto. 
So the fact that any part of 

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Double Dragon is based on a true
story, that's that's kind of 

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wild. 
The Renegade is not based off 

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the Stick song. 
Well, I mean no. 

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I saw a movie called Renegade 
years ago and they had Lou 

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Diamond Phillips. 
Always for some reason thought 

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that it was based off of that 
because the guy in the game 

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looked like Lou Diamond Phillips
to me. 

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Now look at that. 
Someone leave a comment. 

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You Lou Diamond, Phillip heads 
Phillip Lou Diamond Phillips 

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head. 
Oh my God, that's there's a joke

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there, Mike, with screwdrivers. 
We're going to we're going to 

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workshop it. 
So in that same interview with 

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Matt Leon, Kishimoto goes on to 
lament the mismanagement of the 

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Double Dragon brand, stating 
many different people worked on 

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Double Dragon's graphics over 
the years. 

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And Techno often outsource the 
game design to external 

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companies, So there's no 
consistency to the branding or 

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the quality. 
I personally find it 

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unfortunate, but that's the way 
Techno handled its titles. 

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The image I've cobbled together 
here is from a famous post on 

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Neogaf message boards showcasing
the insane number of times the 

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Double Dragon characters have 
been redesigned for different 

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box arts. 
Mike, does any particular one 

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call to you I think? 
Probably the one where one of 

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them's apparently been turned 
into Charles Bronson. 

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OK, yeah, this one was one of 
the Gameboy covers, actually. 

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Double Dragon 3, the arcade game
on Gameboy. 

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Sharon, do you play this one? 
Not on Gameboy. 

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Yeah, Charles Bronson is the 
blonde 1 though. 

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No, the other. 
One that guy, yeah, okay, I 

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don't know who Charles Bronson 
is. 

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I just think it's pretty 
ridiculous that they kind of 

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just couldn't keep it straight 
whether the characters are 

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mustache or how old they were or
what like race they are. 

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Like it's like were they given 
any notes or were they told to 

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just draw like Kung Fu people? 
Have either of you seen the 

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Double Dragon movie? 
It's pretty infamously bad. 

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Yeah, but I actually like that 
movie. 

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Do you? 
Yeah. 

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It can. 
It wasn't. 

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No, it wasn't no worse than St. 
Fighter. 

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When it came out OK, I watched 
it. 

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In preparation for this. 
Oh OK, I didn't get a chance to.

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I've been meaning to anyway. 
Right. 

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And I kind of feel like somebody
should have told me that that 

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movie is set and they post like 
a post apocalyptic 2007 LA after

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an earthquake has knocked much 
of LA underwater. 

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What? 
Yeah, where by day there's some 

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semblance of law and order and 
then at night the gangs take 

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over and it has like the the 
nightly news is like it's Vanna 

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White and I forget who else. 
Who else is the other anchor? 

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And Andy Dick as the the weather
forecast. 

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This sounds amazing. 
Yeah, it's kind of like a it's 

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kind of like a low rent version 
of the Warriors. 

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Yeah, good. 
Yeah. 

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But is it? 
Is it a comedy? 

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I'm guessing it's a comedy. 
It has comedy's attire in. 

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It it's got comic elements to 
it. 

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It has that I don't know what is
with with 90s video game movies 

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decided to have really like cool
styles to cars, but it it 

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manages that like there's some 
rough parts about it, but there 

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was parts of it that were that 
were definitely fun. 

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So it'd take me a while to get 
to it, but I was watching. 

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It was like I should have seen 
this earlier. 

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Right. 
And it's so Sharon. 

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So you'd recommend it? 
I would say it's worth a watch. 

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People today may not like it. 
I saw it back in the 90s when it

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came out, back about 94 in fact,
that was, I was dating this girl

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and the movie came out, we 
rented it and we just kind of 

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chilled out and watched it. 
And you know, I thought it was a

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pretty cool, pretty solid movie.
And it was, you know, we didn't 

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have a lot of video game movies 
back then. 

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I think the only one we had ever
had had up to that time might 

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have been Super Mario Brothers. 
I don't really think that, no. 

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Mortal Kombat hadn't even come 
out yet. 

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So it was just kind of cool to 
see the characters that you love

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play out on the screen. 
It's like, OK, how they going to

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do this? 
Love it or hate it, you were 

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going to love it either way, you
know, even if it was bad, you 

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know, it's just like, well, I'm 
just going to watch this and 

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have fun with it because nobody 
else is making this. 

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And I thought it was cool to see
Robert Patrick, the guy from 

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Terminator Two, he was a bad 
guy. 

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He made a pretty decent bad guy,
you know? 

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He he shouldn't have fun with 
that role. 

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That's what you need. 
And Alyssa Milano, Alyssa 

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Milano's in it. 
Alyssa Milano's in it. 

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You know, she was fun to watch. 
Scott I can't say how you say 

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the guy's name. 
Mark Well, Mark the other, the 

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one guy in the red Mark. 
He was in one of the one of the 

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movies Crater not was it crater 
to the grave with No, he was in 

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John Wick. 
He was in a couple of movies. 

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I know he was in John Wick, like
maybe John Wick 3, and he was 

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fighting him. 
And once they took a break, he 

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was like, you know, it's a 
pleasure, like, to really fight 

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with you, John Wick, and 
everything is good to meet you 

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and everything. 
And they shook hands. 

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It's like, Are you ready? 
And it's like, OK. 

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And they go back in the fight. 
And you know, that guy's a 

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really good martial artist. 
So Jimmy Leo versus versus John 

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Wick, and John Wick wins. 
Of course, but he gave him hell,

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I'll say that. 
Good, good. 

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And then the other guy, he was 
in a few movies that I had seen.

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But, but I mean, going back to 
Double Dragon, being 1617 years 

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old, watching this movie was it 
was fun. 

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You know, it, it had an 80s look
about it, but it came out in the

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90s and it was it was, it was 
cool. 

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You see Vanna White, Andy Dick 
and all those other just kind of

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characters making cameos. 
I was like, yeah, yeah. 

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It's, it's fun for me just to 
see sort of like I, I paused it 

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to see what the, what the new 
map of LA looks like when 

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they're doing the weather. 
To see that like 'cause it's now

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listing like the Pasadena River 
and like the Hollywood Harbor, 

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because that's now underwater 
and you've got shots of them 

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going through like down 
Hollywood Blvd. but it's 

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submerged. 
That's a. 

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Lot more thought than you think 
this movie would get like. 

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A ton more all like, none of 
which is actually in the game. 

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Right. 
No at all. 

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And I think the second, the 
second game actually explicitly 

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says New York. 
Yeah, I think. 

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The lead developer, a Ghana 
record is saying like, well, 

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this is fun, but it's not a 
double dragon movie. 

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Like it can. 
It's it's it's a fun movie, but 

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it's not double dragon. 
And it sounds like, so Mike, you

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watched the movie 1st and then 
went to the game and they're 

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like, what the hell? 
Well, you know, if you stop and 

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think about it, the Super Mario 
Brothers movie was a fun movie, 

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but it's not really a Mario 
movie. 

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Oh yeah, Mike and I are big 
defenders of that movie. 

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And Street Fighter, when you 
said, when you said I was no 

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worse than Street Fighter, I was
like, well, I kind of love 

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Street Fighter. 
So I really want to see Double. 

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I want to see Double Dragon now,
like really badly. 

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But that's what I'm saying, 
Street Fighter, I actually, I 

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enjoy Street Fighter. 
It was fun to watch, you know, 

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and it didn't take itself so 
seriously, you know, and it was 

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cool. 
It was just neat to see those 

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characters play out on the big 
screen. 

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So before we get in the joy pros
and joy cons of the Double 

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Dragon game on Nesi think Mike 
and I have just revealed our 

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history, right, Mike, you didn't
play the game before and you 

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finally got to see the movie. 
And I've never encountered 

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Double Dragon before this 
episode. 

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But Sharon, we were playing 
beforehand and you clearly have 

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some moves you remember from 
your childhood. 

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Tell me, tell us your history 
with the series and why'd you 

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pick it to cover on the old 
switcheroo? 

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So Double Dragon, I first got my
Nintendo back in 1988. 

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I was 11. 
So we got, we got the game that 

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I played up to was like Super 
Mario Brothers Mario 2. 

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And I have a cousin who would he
would, he had got in this game 

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double Dragon. 
I was like, OK, let's try it. 

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And I had a lot of trouble. 
I I struggled with double. 

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In fact, that was the first 
fighting game I'd ever played. 

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And I struggled with it for a 
little bit. 

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But once I learned, you know, I 
would rent the game and keep 

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written and written and over and
over again until I just pretty 

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much got it down packed. 
In fact, I can remember on the 

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first level having trouble with 
a Bobo. 

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You know, I'd actually give him 
the controller and get him to 

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pass that because I never could.
But once I got the heart system 

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down, I'm going to learn some of
the little secret tricks and 

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insurance and outs on how to 
kind of cheat and pick up more 

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hearts. 
And you like as you pick up more

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hearts, you pick up more moves, 
which is different from the 

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arcade game because in the 
arcade you start with all of 

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your moves. 
So I also come to realize I was 

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called Double Dragon. 
I believe the reason it's not 

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two players is because they said
that they had issues programming

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the game or something like that.
They didn't really know how to 

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do it because. 
The Sega version is actually two

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player on the Master System, 
which I've never actually 

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played, but I played the Genesis
version of course, which is 2 

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player and as closest to the 
arcade. 

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Right. 
I have a lot of memories with 

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with this game. 
In recent researching for this, 

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yeah, the the devs really 
struggled coding this game and 

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putting it together. 
And so, you know, and we know 

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it's possible because the next 
game in the series, we'll get to

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that in a little bit. 
But so as a kid or as a 40 

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something gamer, Nintend, did 
you ever beat this game? 

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Oh yeah, I didn't stop till I 
beat this game. 

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He nintended. 
I'm in computer. 

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I did. 
I can still beat this game 

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today. 
Sometimes I make it my business 

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to go in there and just whoop up
on this game. 

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Awesome. 
Mike, how far did you get? 

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I got to, I forget where the the
the the two above us thing where

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they come out of the wall. 
Level Level 3 duo Bobo. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, and then that wrecked me 

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each time. 
Yeah. 

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So I mean you using safe states,
using rewinds, I Nintend did 

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beat this game as well. 
How many computer? 

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Isn't that a cool thing that you
can rewind the games now? 

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It's, you know, it's everything 
and I get so much Flack for 

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people being like, yo, you 
didn't really beat it. 

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But we want to do a quick 
segment inspired by the 

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Arcadiology podcast we're 
calling High score. 

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And 38 years ago, we are going 
to compare our high scores in 

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Double Dragon playing honestly, 
not cheating like I did. 

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It is going to be Mode A single 
player, right? 

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So Mike, what was your high 
score on Double Dragon for the 

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NES Mode A? 
30,980. 30,009 Three 0980. 

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Yes, I think so. 
OK, it's funny because I got to 

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the caves, which I think is 
right past where you got, and my

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high score, 33,980, so exactly 
3000 more than you. 

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So I'm currently in the lead. 
Sharon, what was your Double 

435
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,800
Dragon high score? 
Do you really want to know? 

436
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:46,560
No, hit us with it. 60,270 and I
beat the game. 

437
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:54,440
Almost double. 
I'm dizzy from that bastard, all

438
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,600
right? 
I think that means that using 

439
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,120
points as a metric I got passed 
halfway, so I'm going to take 

440
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:00,400
that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

441
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,560
There you go. 
There you go. 

442
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,640
But. 
The funny thing is I've actually

443
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,160
played that game for points. 
I just wanted, I've just played 

444
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,680
to win and just happened to look
up. 

445
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,320
I was like, oh, that was my high
score, OK. 

446
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,600
I was just playing to not die. 
Yeah. 

447
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,240
Yeah, So Sharon, Double Dragon, 
you played it a lot, means a lot

448
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,760
to you. 
Will you lead us on a discussion

449
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,920
of the Joy Pros of the first 
Double Dragon game in the NES? 

450
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,520
What do you like about it? 
The nostalgia factor for me, the

451
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,040
fact that, well, one of the cool
things is I guess the pros is 

452
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,760
they only put two, they'll only 
put 2 characters on the screen 

453
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,360
at once that you'll ever fight 
against them so you won't get so

454
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,360
bombarded. 
That's a pro. 

455
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,920
Let's see. 
Another Pro is if you know a 

456
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,840
certain secret on certain on the
second level, you know when you 

457
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,720
grab a bat and you kind of do 
this one trick that you can grab

458
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,760
all your hearts on the second 
level and then you just, you can

459
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:53,720
dog walk the game. 
What? 

460
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,840
Maybe Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

461
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,600
So there's is there like a, is 
there an enemy that you can 

462
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,480
juggle indefinitely and you just
rack up hearts that way? 

463
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,520
So what he's referring to 
doesn't play the game. 

464
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,640
Double Dragon in the NES has a 
kind of a peculiar method of 

465
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,200
experience points at the 
beginning of the game you cannot

466
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,160
do well. 
You can basically just punch and

467
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,320
kick and jump and. 
That's it. 

468
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,040
Yeah. 
But so as you defeat enemies, 

469
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,520
you gain hearts, which is 
basically your experience bar. 

470
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,160
And then at full strength, you 
can grab them, you can throw 

471
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,920
them. 
You can spin kick, you can 

472
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,960
elbow. 
The elbow smash is the most 

473
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,240
important game, the most 
important move in the game. 

474
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,920
You would like those two of 
Bobo's you had trouble with Mike

475
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,800
you. 
You hit them with the elbow four

476
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,520
times and they're. 
Done, Dang. 

477
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:43,680
Yeah, or 16 jump kicks. 
You know the exact number. 

478
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,720
This is your game, isn't it? 
That's crazy it. 

479
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,440
Was interesting when I checked 
out the speed runs and they 

480
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,920
actually said that one of the 
things that is an actual risk in

481
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,640
a speed run is if you're going 
through things too fast you get 

482
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,600
further in the game. 
Then you've levelled up your 

483
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,160
attacks and it can kind of. 
It can throw off a speed runs 

484
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,640
like Nope you move too fast 
early on and skipped stuff where

485
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,760
you should have been picking up 
those buildings. 

486
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,520
Which I felt like the manual 
didn't communicate how that 

487
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,880
works. 
Yeah, it's like the parents of 

488
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,080
the 80s. 
Yeah, it, it kind of is just 

489
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,120
like you'll figure it's like, 
oh, you'll get additional stuff 

490
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,640
as you go on. 
But I did not really click how 

491
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,200
that was being done until I 
heard it explained. 

492
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,520
So realistically, if you stop 
and think about it, I don't 

493
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,880
think they want, they don't want
you to truly level up until you 

494
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,000
get about about that level right
where you are, right there with 

495
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,800
the like we're talking about 
Castlevania. 

496
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,440
Yeah, that's about the point 
where you get about your 6th or 

497
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,120
7th heart. 
Yeah. 

498
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,840
So I mean, if you playing 
through the game, if you playing

499
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,560
through the game the right way, 
you know you can do it that way 

500
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,560
and I've done that. 
But I mean, why go right where 

501
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,480
you can go easy? 
But I do think that once you're 

502
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,840
levelled up, some of these 
attacks are viscerally 

503
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,480
satisfying, like the move where 
you grab your opponent by the 

504
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,600
hair and you yank their hair 
down to your knee and you are 

505
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,920
kneeing them in the face. 
Like I've never been in like a 

506
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,960
real fight. 
I don't think Mike has either, 

507
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,720
but I imagine that's satisfying.
That's like that kind of makes 

508
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,880
me want to get into a real fight
because that seems really fun. 

509
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,800
Might break some teeth and some 
head concussions, but I'll tell 

510
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,480
you one of the other satisfying 
moves in that game is the the 

511
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,680
jump spin kick. 
You know, because that pretty 

512
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,160
much knocks them down with one 
hit. 

513
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,400
And then like if you say knock 
the character down, you can 

514
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,480
actually pin them down and you 
sit on top of them. 

515
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,040
You just pummel them until 
they're done. 

516
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,040
So that's pretty satisfying too,
as long as you, as long as 

517
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,000
somebody doesn't come from 
behind you, hit you from the 

518
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,240
back. 
Right. 

519
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,800
But I did notice though, I like 
that move too, because it's 

520
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,000
like, OK, now I'm kind of moving
through the game at a faster 

521
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,480
clip because once it's down to 
me and one other guy and they're

522
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,640
on the ground, I I leaping on 
them and pounding them into the 

523
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,720
dirt. 
Such a cool feeling. 

524
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,960
I also didn't expect this game 
to have level variety. 

525
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,720
There's platforming challenges 
and there's like a maze section.

526
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,440
Mike, did you get that far? 
Enough to see there's going to 

527
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,160
be more platforming, but not for
the, you said Maze. 

528
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,120
And so there's there's in Level 
3 and 4, you have to know to go 

529
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:23,040
into certain holes in the wall 
or to climb up the side of the 

530
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,640
Cliff. 
Otherwise the level will loop 

531
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,280
and you'll just run out of time.
Yeah. 

532
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,720
And, and and it was like, that's
annoying. 

533
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,040
But also, I didn't expect this 
to be anything other than move, 

534
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,360
right, you know? 
But so Mike, did you enjoy the 

535
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,120
fact that there was platforming 
or is that more of a joy con for

536
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,880
you? 
I am pretty much never a fan of 

537
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,600
platforming. 
OK, let alone if you have to 

538
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,560
press 2 buttons to jump. 
Yeah. 

539
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,840
Yeah, but then, you know, some 
of the later levels though, 

540
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,160
there's like a kind of Temple of
Doom style level with like traps

541
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,840
and things flying out of the 
walls. 

542
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,200
And it was like I didn't expect 
this game to play with the extra

543
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,640
dimension like that. 
So, you know, I I thought that 

544
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,240
was pretty dope and you know, we
had already mentioned it. 

545
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,680
Not a two player game, but two 
player mode. 

546
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,080
Kind of more elaborate than I 
was expecting. 

547
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,840
Sharon, did you like the 
fighting game mode? 

548
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,840
Very not popular opinion back 
then. 

549
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,480
No, I didn't like it. 
OK. 

550
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,000
Because it to me to me, it kind 
of slowed things down. 

551
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,240
In fact, that never today was 
the first day I played two 

552
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,080
player mode since I can 
remember. 

553
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,880
But like I said, I was, I was 
never much of A one-on-one back 

554
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,000
then, you know, because I know 
we used to play like the the 

555
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000
wrestling games, like pro 
wrestling and everything. 

556
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,480
And I always sucked, you know, 
I'd just rather kind of go at 

557
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,920
the the game and fight all the 
bad guys. 

558
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,840
But I used to always lose in in 
the two player mode because once

559
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,480
again, my cousin who was better 
than me, you know, never gave 

560
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,840
everybody a chance, you know, 
and I knew like one of those 

561
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,840
characters, you could pick up a 
knife, but it didn't matter 

562
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,560
because it's he was so good. 
He seemed to just catch a knife 

563
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,520
in thin air, even if you could 
do that. 

564
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,520
So I was like, OK, I, I can't 
play this with you, you know? 

565
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,640
But being 11, he was probably 
1516. 

566
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,320
So it's like, yeah. 
You got to text him and ask him 

567
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,560
his high score because hopefully
it's higher than yours and I 

568
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,360
feel better about myself, not 
about. 

569
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,560
That. 
Mike, so you didn't get you 

570
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,640
didn't play with us before the 
show, but did you get a chance 

571
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,080
to check out Mode B where it's 
more like a traditional fighting

572
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,160
game and you are picking from, 
well, I guess it's five 

573
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,040
different enemies or you can 
just play as Billy Lee. 

574
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,120
Did you give a? 
Did you get a chance to try this

575
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,320
out? 
I I did and was not a particular

576
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,840
fan, but that OK was not a 
particular surprise. 

577
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,800
I thought it was neat because 
like I play games like Golden 

578
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,280
Axe and like Streets of Rage and
there's like the little, there's

579
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,120
like there's the main story mode
and then there's like this extra

580
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,320
thing and then like Golden Axe, 
it's kind of like a gauntlet 

581
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,880
style where you fight more and 
more enemies until eventually 

582
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,040
you lose. 
But just, I don't know, I was 

583
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,160
tickled by the fact of like oh I
can play as the enemies and I'm 

584
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,440
in control of a bobo right now 
and it felt unique. 

585
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,000
I can't think of too many other 
beat em UPS to this day that 

586
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,800
just let me play around with the
enemy sprites. 

587
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,160
I I thought that was kind of 
cool. 

588
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,640
I didn't love everything about 
this game though. 

589
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,640
So does anyone else have 
something to praise about Double

590
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,360
Dragon before we move on to the 
joy cons? 

591
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,960
Not really. 
I mean, I'm going to love you 

592
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,040
regardless. 
But yeah, I mean, they're all, 

593
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,400
they're all cons. 
Yeah, and and you know, I do 

594
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,200
have one more Joy Pro. 
You kind of got to give this 

595
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,840
game its flowers because this 
was the first beat em up game 

596
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,560
essentially that was two players
in the arcade. 

597
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,800
And the things that this game 
did became genre staples. 

598
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,280
You know, like the way that you 
pick up the weapons, the way 

599
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,800
that Co-op worked in the arcade,
the level progression, even just

600
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,680
the stereotype of like, oh, a 
big bad guy with a gun is the 

601
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,880
last boss. 
Like, it all comes from Double 

602
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,760
Dragon. 
So if you like this genre, you 

603
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,120
kind of got to, you know, 
respect your elders a little 

604
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,720
bit. 
Mike, anything else to praise 

605
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,440
about Double Dragon on the NESI?
Don't think I've got anything. 

606
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,200
OK, so Mike, what, what 
irritated you about this one? 

607
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,720
What's your What's your first 
joy con? 

608
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,160
I think I I had trouble getting 
the hang of hand handling this. 

609
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,480
I think some of that may also 
stem from the A&B to jump thing,

610
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,240
which is very much just an NES 
limitation. 

611
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,240
Yeah, it had two buttons. 
So A was punch, B was kick. 

612
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,880
And, well, we don't have a third
button like you did in the 

613
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,320
arcade. 
So A&B is jump. 

614
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,720
Yeah. 
And and with platforming 

615
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,600
challenges, that was like, it 
was particularly rough. 

616
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,200
Sharon. 
What? 

617
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,360
So you love this game, but you 
said there's cons. 

618
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,680
Hit. 
Hit me with another one. 

619
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,920
Well, one of the cons I always 
hated about this game was like 

620
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,040
if you were putting the game 
into the cartridge, sometimes 

621
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,720
you just have to blow in it and 
keep blowing it. 

622
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Try to keep it to work, you know
damn bitch bitch bitch things 

623
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,720
like that. 
You just like why won't this 

624
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,400
thing work? 
So you will get the alcohol and 

625
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,320
the cotton swab and you try to 
clean and connect this and all 

626
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,320
of a sudden it would jump on but
no side. 

627
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,960
I tried all that on the switch 
and it made it worse. 

628
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,720
Yeah, one of the, I think one of
the let me think of a con of 

629
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,560
this game, the fact that it's 
not two player is April. 

630
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,480
Now I've seen, but somebody on 
YouTube reprogrammed the game 

631
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,600
and they did make it two 
players. 

632
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,640
I thought that was pretty cool. 
That is cool. 

633
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Yeah, that also came about 40 
years too late, but it's 

634
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,800
something that they did on, on, 
on APCI want to see. 

635
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,840
And I I watched it and I was 
like, that's pretty cool to see 

636
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,240
it as a two player game. 
But let's see, the con would be 

637
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,400
it not being a two player game, 
although I like the heart 

638
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,040
building system. 
I think it's a con that you have

639
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,480
to, you don't get all your moves
right away, but at the same 

640
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,280
time, that's also how they want 
you to progress. 

641
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,920
So if they gave you everything 
at the beginning, it would be it

642
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,920
would be too easy. 
I don't know if it'd be too 

643
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,080
easy, Too easy for. 
You it would because at the same

644
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,960
at this time like now, if you 
have like the elbow smash and 

645
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,840
all that stuff, you basically 
you can knock. 

646
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,840
You can basically knock the 
character that I don't want hit 

647
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,160
and they're done. 
Yeah. 

648
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,080
So you you dog walk it. 
And I do kind of see the 

649
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,200
storytelling purpose of like, 
oh, we're becoming better 

650
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,160
martial artists. 
We're getting, we're learning 

651
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,000
new moves. 
Like this is a Kung Fu movie, 

652
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,800
you know, and then you're Johnny
sweeping the leg or whatever 

653
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,440
towards the end. 
It's, you know, it's interesting

654
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,040
because one of your joy pros is 
kind of a joy con of mine and 

655
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,480
our friend Brian played this 
with me. 

656
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,360
He got a good chuckle out of it.
You know, you said that there's 

657
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,600
only ever 2 enemies at a time, 
but it's always the same enemy 

658
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,040
because they could not figure 
out how to render different 

659
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,680
enemy types on the screen at 
once. 

660
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,800
And that's also severely 
limiting the versus mode. 

661
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,000
You can pick, you can play as 
the enemy fighter, but your 

662
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,360
opponent player too has to play 
the same enemy fighter. 

663
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,800
It has to be mirror matches, 
right? 

664
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,720
And a fighting game where you 
have to do mirror matches, that 

665
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,120
kind of defeats the purpose of 
pitting different characters 

666
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,800
against each other. 
You know what I mean? 

667
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,080
That's kind of the whole fun of 
the fighting genre. 

668
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,920
So I I found that definitely a 
limitation. 

669
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,480
And yeah, I mean, it's it's been
said a million times. 

670
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,160
So why not say it 1,000,001 
times? 

671
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,800
You got Double Dragon, the game 
that was known for its two 

672
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,880
player Co-op and you could not 
figure it out on the NES. 

673
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,120
It makes you question of like, 
should you have made this game? 

674
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,560
I guess, I guess you should 
have, because it's still pretty 

675
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,719
beloved even in single player 
mode. 

676
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,719
And you know, you take turns. 
You can take turns. 

677
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,080
But I hated that as a kid. 
I hated as an adult. 

678
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,920
Well, you know, going back on 
all that, when I first played 

679
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,520
Double Dragon on Nintendo, I 
didn't know if it was an arcade 

680
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,040
game. 
Oh, you know, so I didn't, I 

681
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,840
didn't, I actually didn't live 
near an arcade. 

682
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,400
So when we got this game and we 
played it, you know, I mean, I 

683
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,040
never thought anything of it. 
However, when I got into the 

684
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,360
arcade and I saw that it was a 
two player game, I was like, 

685
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,679
hold on. 
And that's how I found out that 

686
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,960
it it was I, I didn't even know 
it was an arcade game. 

687
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,800
So yeah. 
It was all NES in your mind. 

688
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,280
Yeah. 
And am I just bad at this game 

689
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,600
or I am actually but in addition
to being? 

690
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,280
Bad. 
I found it really odd that if I 

691
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,160
walk up and punch an opponent in
campaign mode or verse mode, 

692
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,040
whatever it is, I use the punch 
button. 

693
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,160
I punch him in the face, they 
punch me back like right away 

694
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,680
and we're just slugging each 
other, but I'm losing hit 

695
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,040
points. 
I use my kick that's got a 

696
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,840
longer range. 
They're Keeling over and they're

697
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,720
never reaching me. 
So in this game, I never used 

698
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,520
punch because I'm like, I don't 
want to get hit back. 

699
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,320
I guess I'll just kick 
everybody. 

700
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,640
Mike, did you, did you notice 
that too, that the attacks were 

701
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,280
like the punches and kicks 
weren't really equally useful? 

702
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,120
A bit and I think, I think the 
speaker I watched talked about 

703
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,920
the same thing as well, also I 
think. 

704
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,120
OK, so it's a known thing of 
like and and and it's kicks are 

705
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,400
the useful part, right Sharon? 
Yeah, the punches will get you 

706
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,800
hit. 
So that, so I feel like that's a

707
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,200
weird gameplay design thing. 
I I like it way more in the next

708
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,080
game we play where like, you 
know, the punches are kind of 

709
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,520
setting up your combos and the 
kick is kicking behind you. 

710
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,760
Yeah, I don't know. 
I wanted to punch more than I 

711
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,360
did and I ended up using kicker 
pretty much everything. 

712
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,720
I also thought the game, you 
know, and we mentioned they 

713
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,840
struggled while developing it, 
but I don't know if it runs 

714
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,560
super well. 
Like some of the hit detection 

715
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,600
is kind of off. 
There's real bad, like slow down

716
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,560
and flickering at points. 
It runs kind of rough and it 

717
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,320
seems like it ran a little 
rougher than other games of its 

718
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,080
era. 
Or maybe I'm just being too hard

719
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,800
on it. 
I don't know, but that was kind 

720
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,800
of my last joy. 
Con is like this one kind of 

721
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,960
chugs a bit in terms of its 
running. 

722
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,720
Well, I think a lot of the 8 bit
games back then, they were kind 

723
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,640
of flicker a little bit, you 
know, when, whenever too much, 

724
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,040
too many sprites would get on 
the screen at once. 

725
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Because I've even seen slow down
in the arcade. 

726
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,560
You know, when everything can, 
it can only run. 

727
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,360
It can only run so smooth up to 
a certain frame rate I guess. 

728
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,520
Well, I think that's a perfect 
segue actually to our Nintendis 

729
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,160
or dat segment, because double 
dragon is available on the NES 

730
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,880
via Nintendo classics, but you 
can also buy it on the E shop 

731
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:59,240
for 799 and it's the arcade 
original and this one has two 

732
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:02,040
player restored. 
It obviously looks way better. 

733
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,080
Graphics are are amazing 
compared to the NES. 

734
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,520
But Sharon, I don't know what 
your feeling is on is on it, but

735
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,720
when I was playing the original 
double dragon Arcade, I was 

736
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,440
surprised at how much it slowed 
down. 

737
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:21,920
And I I feel like that was a big
reason to not bother purchasing 

738
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,960
the arcade mode because it 
almost seemed like it ran worse 

739
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,000
and there's no online 
multiplayer the. 7. 99 purchase 

740
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,240
there's couch Co-op but Sharon 
and I, even though we both own 

741
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:35,920
the game, we could not play with
each other. 

742
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,920
So I think if you're going to 
play Double Dragon on the on the

743
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,400
Switch, might as well do the NES
version. 

744
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,080
I don't know if the Arcade 1 is 
worth buying and then playing 

745
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,480
instead. 
Sharon, what's your feeling? 

746
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,200
Well, I feel like if you're a 
fan, which I am a fan, I'm going

747
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,120
to buy. 
I bought it and you know, I love

748
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,760
it. 
Double Dragon arcade is slower 

749
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,720
to me than the Nintendo 
counterpart. 

750
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,120
It really is. 
You know, the Nintendo's just 

751
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,240
faster. 
But although I although it's 

752
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,360
slow, I did enjoy it. 
But I have to say that I enjoy 

753
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,400
Double Dragon to the Revenge in 
the arcade a lot more than I 

754
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,600
enjoy than I enjoy the Nintendo 
version. 

755
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,880
Oh, really? 
Yeah, because it's not. 

756
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,520
It doesn't slow down. 
The sound effects are better. 

757
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,720
It sounds more like a Kung Fu 
movie. 

758
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,240
The music is cooler. 
It's it's it's faster. 

759
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,040
That's so funny because I'm I'm 
flipped. 

760
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,240
I feel like play the NES version
of Double Dragon if you're going

761
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,920
to play it, but Double Dragon 2 
Arcade I did not like as much as

762
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,960
the NES version and we're about 
to get into it, but I freaking 

763
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,320
loved Double Dragon 2 on the 
NES. 

764
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,480
That game is special. 
I love it, but I love that 

765
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,920
arcade version now. 
That was the first Double Dragon

766
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,920
I played before the Nintendo 
version, you know, because and I

767
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,600
and we discovered, it's like I 
was talking about Double Dragon 

768
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,720
and we were at a friend's house 
and he was like, hey, we got 

769
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,320
this game. 
We have the second version at 

770
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,760
the bowling alley. 
I was like, really? 

771
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,640
So of course if I got some cords
to my grandma and I went over 

772
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,840
and I saw it and I was like, oh 
wow, this is really. 

773
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:04,680
Cool. 
And you know what? 

774
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,520
That's something I love about 
your show. 

775
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,160
I love every time you and Mark 
just go off on how wonderful 90s

776
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,440
arcades were. 
And I forget which one of you 

777
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,040
said it, but it was like, that 
was the that was the nightclub 

778
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,160
for gamers, you know what I 
mean? 

779
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,640
And the lights and the sounds 
and the thumping bass and the 

780
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,160
clatter of pins in the 
background and the smell of 

781
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,160
pizza. 
There's something magical about 

782
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,000
a good arcade, and I lament that
my students don't really know 

783
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,120
what that feels like. 
It's it's unfortunate. 

784
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,000
So anything else to say about 
Double Dragon before we jump 

785
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,320
kick our way to the sequel? 
My one thing that I have with a 

786
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,520
bunch of these is that I feel 
like if you're making a port of 

787
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,280
an arcade game, I like the 
ability to just sort of push 

788
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,080
through because if it was the 
arcade, I could. 

789
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,280
Yeah. 
And in my mind, it feels like, 

790
00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:00,080
well, this is more expensive, 
let me play through and then you

791
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,120
can get into the OK, you know, a
better ending if you do it on on

792
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,720
fewer credits or something. 
But sort of that start all the 

793
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:09,440
way back to the beginning is 
always frustrating. 

794
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,840
And certainly the arcade. 
Ports that I've enjoyed most 

795
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,000
have been the ones that have 
elect me to just kind of keep 

796
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,400
going through. 
Just a coin, yeah. 

797
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,360
So, so Sharon, do you agree on a
home port, you'd rather me just 

798
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,640
be able to keep it and continue 
and just get to the end of the 

799
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,000
game regardless of skill? 
Because I feel like to me, I 

800
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,240
always hated that as a kid at 
Dreamcast arcade ports did this 

801
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,640
a lot where like you love this 
game in the arcade, you buy the 

802
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,360
Dreamcast version, you play it 
all the way through their first 

803
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,400
sit down cuz continues are 
unlimited. 

804
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,520
And then it's like, well, I've 
seen everything the game has in 

805
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,400
the 1st 50 minutes. 
And yeah, it was fun. 

806
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,280
But now I'm a little crestfallen
to have already gotten to the 

807
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,760
end of this pretty expensive 
game. 

808
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,800
So what's your so my favorite 
model for that was this from 

809
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,320
this janky Wii game called 
Target Terror. 

810
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,120
It was a light gun shooter on 
the Wii, but it was a port from 

811
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,320
this really crappy arcade game. 
But the way they did it is that 

812
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,680
every time you game over the 
next run you get 3 more 

813
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,080
continues and so you are 
gradually earning a Bank of 

814
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,320
continues to get you to the end 
of the game. 

815
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,480
So what's your preference from? 
Would you rather have to master 

816
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,480
the game to see the ending, or 
are you more with Mike where 

817
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,040
you'd rather keep hitting the 
coin button and get all the way 

818
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,160
to the end? 
Depends on the game, but also 

819
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,720
know that no struggle, no 
progress. 

820
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,040
Mike, that's our problem. 
With Double Dragon and games 

821
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,040
like Double Dragon and Contra, 
you know, it was frustrating to 

822
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,160
lose the game. 
You have to start all over. 

823
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,440
But that's how we got so good at
it because we had to keep 

824
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,960
starting over. 
You know, if you if you just 

825
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,440
kind of, I don't disagree with 
being able to like, you know, 

826
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,600
continue and progress through 
the game. 

827
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,760
I like that too, because 
sometimes you do just want to 

828
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,240
move on. 
However, in doing that, it's 

829
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:58,400
like, OK, you, you, you just 
kind of cast it aside after it's

830
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,160
done versus I'm going to jump 
back and then get you. 

831
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,160
It's like I got, I got this 
level, I got to work on it. 

832
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,280
I got to get better. 
So OK, I know the ninja stars 

833
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,760
are coming from here. 
You got the dog coming from here

834
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,640
and the birds coming down. 
Maybe if I just kind of tweak 

835
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,160
and move a little bit and I'll 
pull this up and I get that and 

836
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,760
you know, and it's that kind of 
thing. 

837
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,240
So and games were expensive and 
of course back then we couldn't 

838
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,520
buy, so we had to, we had to 
master the shit out of them 

839
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,000
because our parents wasn't going
to buy us another game. 

840
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,200
I remember that feeling. 
Yep. 

841
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,680
The the game past generation 
doesn't know what it felt like 

842
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,720
to be playing a game you didn't 
know. 

843
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:34,840
It was very good over and over 
again because that was the game 

844
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,440
you got for those three months. 
You. 

845
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,840
Know even, hey listen, even with
the rewind feature that we have 

846
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,200
play something like ghosts and 
goblins and you still going to 

847
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,640
get hammered, you know, because 
I mean, OK, let me rewind. 

848
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,200
And I, I think that that's a 
cool feature to be able to 

849
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,680
rewind and try to figure out 
what your mistake is. 

850
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,840
Like if you make it again. 
OK, rewind. 

851
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,840
OK, Like maybe I need to rewind 
a little bit further back, not 

852
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,880
just let's not go 5 seconds 
back, let's go 15 seconds back. 

853
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,120
OK, let me see. 
Oh, there's a box right there, 

854
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,480
you know, So it's like, it's 
that sort of thing. 

855
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,960
And it's funny because, like, I 
beat that, you know, game for 

856
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,640
this show, and even rewinding it
was difficult. 

857
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,800
That's how hard those games are.
Those and gowns is no joke. 

858
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,480
No joke, no joke. 
Well, you know what else isn't a

859
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,160
joke? 
Our second game for today, 

860
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,880
Double Dragon 2 The Revenge, 
released for the NES in 1990. 

861
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,760
According to Switch Online, 
Billy and Jimmy Lee, the Double 

862
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,120
Dragons are back to avenge the 
loss of Marian. 

863
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,160
In their quest to defeat the 
evil Shadow Warriors, Billy and 

864
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,160
Jimmy must complete 9 missions. 
Facing deadly St. gangs, ninjas,

865
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,200
and huge mutant fighters, the 
duo must traverse through 

866
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,880
construction sites, alleyways, 
and underwater hideouts complete

867
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,440
with secret elevator shafts, 
spiked ceilings, and razor sharp

868
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,680
mechanical claws. 
Can Billy and Jimmy contend with

869
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,120
the enemies placed before them 
and ultimately save the world? 

870
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,320
I don't know. 
Let's find out, guys. 

871
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,560
Let's take a look at the box art
here. 

872
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,440
Mike, would you once again 
describe this one for our audio 

873
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,960
listeners? 
So we have a less cool font for.

874
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,640
There's probably 4 fonts being 
used in this title actually. 

875
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:21,360
It's a real font melee. 
Cause the double dragon 2 fairly

876
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,640
bold. 
What is sort of Chinese 

877
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,760
characters? 
Above that, the revenge looks 

878
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,840
like the kind of font you see, 
unlike the sequel of an 80s 

879
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,440
comedy. 
Sure. 

880
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,000
But so then we've got. 
So this is actually I don't know

881
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,520
how to describe quite what's 
going on action wise with the 

882
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,560
rest of this a. 
Slug. 

883
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,720
It's a slug fist. 
I you know, my OK, so Mike, I'll

884
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,520
take over from here. 
You got a lot of gooning, 

885
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,040
essentially. 
You got So you got a bunch of 

886
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,680
goons down at the bottom. 
They're fighting. 

887
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,360
We said that was Billy Lee, 
right? 

888
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,760
Billy's the Blonde 1 Sharon. 
Yeah, Billy's always the one in 

889
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,520
the blue. 
Yeah, so Billy is fighting a 

890
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:09,000
bunch of minions, AKA goons. 
They're using baseball bats and 

891
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,880
kind of like a ball and chain 
and a whip. 

892
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,240
But what Mike's alluding to is 
that it's kind of a sea of brown

893
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,280
and purple. 
Like it's you kind of 

894
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,440
artistically, you get kind of 
lost in that. 

895
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,240
And then, you know, your eye 
moves up to Jimmy, who is 

896
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:27,960
holding on to Marian, which is 
an interesting thing to show on 

897
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:33,240
the cover because this game 
begins with Marian being shot 

898
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,320
right And she's full on like 
Merc right at the beginning of 

899
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,800
the game. 
I came to learn that the arcade 

900
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,000
art, which is what this 
essentially is, was even a bit 

901
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,520
more of a little more freaky 
because I don't know if you guys

902
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,880
can tell, but Marian's tattered 
skirt is a bit higher up on the 

903
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,600
arcade version that could put 
like a bit of like a booty shot.

904
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,920
And I I really that kind of 
bothered me. 

905
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,360
Like I know this series is 
pretty dated but I felt like the

906
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,000
character of Marian was treated 
pretty terribly. 

907
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,920
Like in the arcade version when 
she gets kidnapped you get like 

908
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,680
this panty shot and like when 
you save her at the game game at

909
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,680
the end you get a panty shot. 
And then like NES they took out 

910
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,800
the panty shots which I always 
thought were creepy in the 1st 

911
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,480
place but you find her like 
laying on a bed like in the 

912
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,400
wrong direction with the cat 
from Rick and Morty under the 

913
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,720
table. 
I just really felt like there 

914
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:30,480
was a lot of implied, like, I'm 
sorry to bring down the mood, 

915
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,000
guys, but a lot of implied, like
kind of sexual violence that 

916
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,640
kind of I don't think is aged 
well. 

917
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,120
Am I alone in that? 
I guess I never thought about 

918
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,760
it. 
I did see the panty shots, but I

919
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,600
mean, I was just like, OK, well,
he's wearing a short dress. 

920
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,760
There we go. 
Those are the panties. 

921
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,080
Maybe you know something. 
Maybe I'm thinking about panties

922
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,400
too much, which is probably 
true. 

923
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,080
I mean, it's still also regular 
violence, so I'm not. 

924
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,200
That's true, yeah. 
It's just this is bad. 

925
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,400
I don't know. 
Just just As for Marian. 

926
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,440
So I got some behind the scenes 
trivia for you guys. 

927
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,240
Not a lot with Double Dragon 
two. 

928
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,120
It was originally developed with
an up as an upgrade pack for the

929
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,280
arcade, but when the file size 
was drastically larger, it got 

930
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,320
switched over to its own stand 
alone game. 

931
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,240
And Speaking of visual upgrade, 
Double Dragon 2 was remade in 

932
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:23,800
2013 as Double Dragon Wonder of 
the Dragons. 

933
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,520
Sharon, did you play this one? 
Nah, I passed on it. 

934
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:33,760
OK, it is widely regarded as one
of the worst games of all time. 

935
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,360
The remake of Double Dragon 2 is
infamously bad. 

936
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,640
So I want to have a little fun 
here. 

937
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,840
I'm going to read you some of 
the more poetic reviews from 

938
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,720
Metacritic and then at the end I
want you guys to guess what the 

939
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:49,640
Metacritic score for this game 
is out of a possible 100. 

940
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,280
OK, so it it'll be pretty quick 
here. 

941
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,440
We're going to start off here 
with post Arcade humiliatingly 

942
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,520
wretched game. 
Sometimes it takes a a game as 

943
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,520
bad as this to teach us just how
good other games really are. 

944
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,920
Hardcore gamer. 
This is the video game 

945
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,720
equivalent of Rebecca Black's 
Friday, something so terrible 

946
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,760
that its existence is nothing 
short of a miracle now. 

947
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,480
OK, how about this one? 
Games Master UK The fighting 

948
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,400
system is more broken than Back 
Mountain Avoid. 

949
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,160
I know a Brokeback mountain Joe.
We haven't gotten one of those 

950
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,800
yet, Mike. 
OK, glad. 

951
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,920
I didn't play it. 
No, it's supposed to be. 

952
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,600
It's supposed to be really, 
really awful. 

953
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,720
Got one more for you? 
This one is Metro Game Central, 

954
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,240
the interactive equivalent of 
irritable bowel syndrome and one

955
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,120
of the most bizarrely awful 
video games ever made. 

956
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,760
All right, so price is right 
rules closest without going over

957
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,880
out of 100 possible points. 
What's the Metacritic average? 

958
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,560
Mike, what do you think? 
So Metacritic is an average of 

959
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,960
the scores, right? 
It's not. 

960
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,480
It's not like a rotten tomato 
stick. 

961
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:01,160
No, it's just pure numbers, 
averages, fractions. 18. 

962
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:06,080
Mike says 18 Sharon. -11. 
I said closest without going 

963
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,200
over M17. 
All right, all right, over, 

964
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,040
Mike. 
So technically -11 Sharon wins 

965
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,040
that, little guys. 
Thankfully, we're not talking 

966
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,440
about the Xbox Live Arcade 
remake, we're talking about 

967
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,360
Double Dragon on the NES. 
So same question as before. 

968
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,560
What is our history with the 
game and how far did we get? 

969
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,440
Sharon, So you said that you 
played Double Dragon 2 at the 

970
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,640
bowling alley. 
What was your first time 

971
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,880
encountering the NES version? 
Let's see, the first time I I 

972
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:45,040
encountered it was probably 
about 19, maybe in 1989, maybe 

973
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,320
the sum of 89 when it released 
and I rented the the cartridge 

974
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,480
and man, I was just so excited 
to play this game, you know, 

975
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,560
because I played the arcade 
version and you know, we didn't 

976
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,840
get arcade versions at home. 
I didn't there was, I mean, none

977
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,120
of us had the Neo Geo. 
I didn't even, I don't even 

978
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,560
think I knew what a Neo Geo was 
yet, but you know, to get this 

979
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,880
game at home and it was, it was 
pretty, it was solid. 

980
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,720
You know, it wasn't arcade, but 
it's like, hey, it was Double 

981
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:13,280
Dragon 2 Nintendo. 
And it had some similarities, 

982
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,240
you know, which I thought were 
pretty cool. 

983
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:19,120
And they had some extra extra 
moves and a lot of extra stages.

984
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,200
So it wasn't like where Double 
Dragon 2 basically was. 

985
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,680
Double Dragon 2 Arcade was 
basically the first game all 

986
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,640
over again, just faster because 
if you look at it, it's all set 

987
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,320
up the same way. 
Well, Double Dragon 2 Nintendo 

988
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,480
was not. 
It was its own game. 

989
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,040
It did its own thing in its own 
way, and it was, it was really 

990
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,400
cool. 
It was really cool about it. 

991
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,760
And well, I'm guessing because 
just casually before so so oh, 

992
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,080
by the way guys, happy 4th of 
July. 

993
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,280
We're recording up 4th of July 
here. 

994
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,280
Yeah, you too. 
And you know, Sharon and I are 

995
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,280
playing two player mode and I 
keep I keep getting thrown off 

996
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,160
the side of buildings. 
I die and I don't know, Sharon 

997
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,320
was like 5 minutes and Sharon, 
he's, he's down to like his last

998
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,680
health point and he just keeps 
going. 

999
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,520
This guy's fucking untouchable. 
So, so I have to, I go, OK, I 

1000
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,320
got to get to the Zoom because 
Mike and I got to start 

1001
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:13,840
recording. 
But you're doing so well, I 

1002
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,600
don't want you to stop. 
And he got to basically the end 

1003
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,840
of the game and I was playing 
casually with me screwing him 

1004
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,280
up. 
So it seems stupid to ask, but 

1005
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,720
Sharon Nintendid you ever beat 
Double Dragon 2 on the NES? 

1006
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,320
I Nintendo beat this game a 
great many Friday nights, 

1007
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,760
Saturdays and Sundays. 
Sometimes before church, 

1008
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,840
sometimes before school in 
between bathroom breaks. 

1009
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,600
I used to walk this game like it
was my dog. 

1010
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:44,600
Nintendo, did you ever? 
I'm in computer. 

1011
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,400
And using rewind, I know this 
this game walked me like a dog a

1012
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,640
little bit. 
But yeah, I Nintendo did beat it

1013
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,360
as well using rewind. 
I'm in computer. 

1014
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,560
There was no rewind when I beat 
it. 

1015
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,360
But no rewind necessary. 
Now this game I think is a bit 

1016
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,720
easier than double drag, and I 
don't know if that's accurate. 

1017
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,960
It feels easier, yeah. 
Mike, how far did you get? 

1018
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,200
I got to like the underground 
base which I think which is like

1019
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,280
4th. 
Yeah. 

1020
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,600
Decent progress, I think I got 
that far, then went back to like

1021
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,320
the practice which basically 
after three levels is like go 

1022
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,640
play the real game. 
Oh yeah, the difficulties. 

1023
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,600
So we said that for our high 
score and 38 years ago this one 

1024
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,040
was going to be 1 player mode 
Warrior difficulty. 

1025
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,720
Mike, did you get a high score 
for Warrior difficulty? 

1026
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,880
Is that the middle difficulty? 
It is, Sir. 

1027
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:39,160
Yeah. 
OK, give me your high score. 

1028
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:48,080
13310. 13310 OK, my score. 16160
sixteen, 1160 So I think, I 

1029
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,680
think we can move on, right? 
I, I, I'm #1I win, right, 

1030
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:51,760
Sharon? 
I think we're not done. 

1031
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,640
Hashtag yeah. 
Hang on, let me stop. 

1032
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,040
Right there, yeah. 
I'm I'm gonna let you guess. 

1033
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,920
I'm just gonna let you. 
Guess well, just playing 

1034
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,720
casually, 2 player mode, you got
the 60,000, so I'm gonna guess 

1035
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,560
all right. 
OK, Mike, you and me, Price is 

1036
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,840
right, rules not going over. 
I'm going to guess his high 

1037
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,240
score. 
I'll just go and even 75,000. 

1038
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:17,480
60,000. 
Well, don't say that because he 

1039
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,920
got just casually today with me.
Oh, of 60,000. 

1040
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,920
Oh, I see what you're doing. 
OK, Sharon. 52,010. 

1041
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,160
Dang it. 
All right, whatever, Mike wins 

1042
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,800
that little guessing fest. 
I I love Double Dragon too. 

1043
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,800
I think this, this game to me, 
it does everything Double Dragon

1044
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,640
did, but better. 
You got authentic 2 player mode,

1045
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,520
you got better hit detection, 
you got more interesting levels,

1046
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,080
you know, with like kind of 
interesting sort of platforming 

1047
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,840
challenges. 
Yeah, the jumping stuff is back.

1048
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,640
But now you're like on these 
gears that are always like 

1049
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,440
rolling around or, you know, now
you're are kind of in a jungle 

1050
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,000
jumping from, you know, I guess 
I was kind of in the first game.

1051
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,800
I just feel like the level 
variety was so good for a game 

1052
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,040
this old. 
There's parts where a giant 

1053
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,240
enemy vehicle is slowly entering
the frame and you can't, you 

1054
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,440
can't fight the helicopter, you 
can't fight the train. 

1055
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,160
You just have to hide and avoid 
the bullets until, you know, you

1056
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,720
can get to the end of that 
section. 

1057
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,880
My favorite level of all is 
fairly early in the game, and I 

1058
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,160
think Mike got there. 
MM Did you get to the helicopter

1059
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,080
fight where you're in the 
helicopter? 

1060
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,760
Did that strike you as kind of 
neat? 

1061
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:39,640
Yeah, it was really satisfying 
or so to contextualize this like

1062
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,440
that you are in a helicopter and
so like you're you're fighting 

1063
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,480
in the main part of the 
helicopter. 

1064
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,600
So you have a door to your left 
that enemies will enter in and 

1065
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,320
then you've got a door in the 
back right corner that will open

1066
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,920
and just pull anybody towards 
it. 

1067
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,400
And so like there is, I think 
one of my play play through is 

1068
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,240
where like I was down to like 
one health. 

1069
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:06,160
We're against one of the last 
enemies there where it's like, I

1070
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,520
don't think I'm going to win in 
a straight up fight. 

1071
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,880
I just lured him over there and 
we both went out the door and 

1072
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,480
then I, you know, I had an extra
life. 

1073
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,360
He didn't. 
But what's cool about that 

1074
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,360
though, is that even the items 
on the floor will slide towards 

1075
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,640
the open door, so you really 
feel like the suction of being 

1076
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,520
in this flying vehicle. 
And Oh my God, the doors open. 

1077
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,280
And I love all the moments when 
you can kind of set traps for 

1078
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,400
your opponent. 
One of the best boss fights, the

1079
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,800
boss appears on a crumbling 
bridge and he's closer to the 

1080
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,480
edge than you are. 
So you could wait until the 

1081
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,000
bridge crumbles a lot and try to
knock him off. 

1082
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000
But now you have a smaller 
margin of error. 

1083
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,120
Now you have less bridge to 
fight on. 

1084
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,680
So you're going to do that. 
You better be ready. 

1085
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,520
Sure. 
I was watching Sharon play this 

1086
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,400
level where you're fighting in 
this hallway and the ceiling is 

1087
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,520
only like a foot above you and 
it's got spikes on the ceiling. 

1088
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,240
So basically what that means is 
jumping is off the table. 

1089
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,800
But if you can uppercut your 
opponent into the ceiling, I 

1090
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,760
don't know if it does extra 
damage or not, but sure, it's, 

1091
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,560
it's, it sure is, you know, 
satisfying. 

1092
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,960
I just really loved how this 
game kept throwing different 

1093
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,960
scenarios at me in a way that I 
think defies even some modern 

1094
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,560
beat em UPS. 
Sharon, what are your joy Pros? 

1095
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,800
What do you like about the 
sequel? 

1096
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,840
I like the fact that it was two 
player number one. 

1097
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,880
Like I said, it is to me it is a
little bit easier to play than 

1098
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,560
Double Dragon. 
I don't feel like you're health 

1099
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,560
me to go down as fast as game. 
It's a bit more forgiving. 

1100
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,160
Yeah. 
But it's also longer, a longer 

1101
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,720
game. 
So as you get further up into 

1102
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:48,960
the game and you fight bigger 
enemies, you know, you lose a 

1103
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,440
bit, a bit more of that health 
bar. 

1104
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,920
But once again, it's not like 
getting whacked by a Bobo in the

1105
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,480
first game hits you about about 
345 times and then your whole 

1106
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,320
health bar is just gone. 
Yeah. 

1107
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:04,040
Whereas in this one you have the
you can, you can get tossed, but

1108
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,840
other than that you still get 
up. 

1109
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,440
So that's the pro. 
Yeah. 

1110
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,200
And once again, nostalgia 
factor. 

1111
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,920
To me, it's just a pro. 
Although I did enjoy the arcade 

1112
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,880
game. 
I still love this game too. 

1113
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,840
You know, there's no, there's 
no, there's no ill will towards 

1114
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,440
me in it. 
I'll I'll hear like that was 

1115
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,720
Double Dragon. 
So one thing I'm curious about 

1116
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,240
for the arcade experience versus
this, is this just something 

1117
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,520
that I can't think of too many 
games that did with the 

1118
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,760
controls? 
Yeah, I got my. 

1119
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,040
So for the first game, it was 
very much like an A as punch, B 

1120
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,800
as kick or vice versa or 
whatever. 

1121
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,920
This 1A and B switch between 
being punch and kick depending 

1122
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,920
on which way you're facing. 
So really one of them is an 

1123
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,800
attack in front of you, one's 
attack or behind you. 

1124
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,960
And I'm curious, was that a 
carryover from the arcade or is 

1125
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,320
that something they were just 
doing on this? 

1126
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,360
Yes, that happened in the arcade
too, but also they got that from

1127
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,960
Renegade, you know, because the 
same people that made Renegade 

1128
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,840
made this game. 
So when I first played, when I 

1129
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,160
first played it in the arcade, 
keep in mind I was still used to

1130
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,000
playing a Nintendo version. 
So every time I would turn 

1131
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,600
around, I would screw up, you 
know, because if you're face, if

1132
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,080
you're facing right, you know, 
the button to your right was the

1133
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,920
punch and the button to the left
was kicked. 

1134
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,400
But if you're facing left, it 
reversed and the button to your 

1135
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,640
left was a punch and the button 
to your right was kicked. 

1136
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,760
But the jump button always 
stayed at the top. 

1137
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,600
Yeah. 
So yeah, jump was all. 

1138
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,240
You don't have to. 
You don't have to simultaneously

1139
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,720
push. 
You just push the jump button 

1140
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,080
and. 
The developers apparently wanted

1141
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,240
to simulate the feeling of being
in a Kung Fu movie. 

1142
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,640
And one of the signature moments
in any Kung Fu movie is when you

1143
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,360
got bad guys on both sides and 
you're kick behind. 

1144
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,080
And like when this game goes 
humming and you get used to it, 

1145
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,040
it really feels like that. 
You really feel like this one 

1146
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,760
man army attacking in front of 
behind. 

1147
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,080
I do think this qualifies as a 
Joy Khan for me though, because 

1148
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,320
I'm totally fine with kicks 
always being backwards and 

1149
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,920
punches always being forwards, 
but leave those buttons 

1150
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,800
consistent and I'll get used to 
that, you know what I mean? 

1151
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,760
A little pro tip though, Mike. 
I don't know 'cause it, Mike, 

1152
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:22,960
you kind of struggled with it 
too. 

1153
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,040
Or did you like it? 
Liked it more but did still 

1154
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,880
struggle with it. 
Yeah, I, I, my pro tip is that 

1155
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,360
when you're playing, hold your 
switch or hold your controller 

1156
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,720
and tilt it in the direction of 
the enemy so that like gravity 

1157
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,760
is kind of on your side and you 
kind of, if you're going to 

1158
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,160
attack forward, I know it seems 
really silly, but I swear it 

1159
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,200
helps tilting your controller to
make sure you're pressing the 

1160
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,320
right button. 
I, I had a lot of improvement 

1161
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,760
with that. 
I loved the added attacks. 

1162
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,960
So this game does something 
really interesting where after 

1163
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,680
your character jumps, you will 
land in a Crouch position, which

1164
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,800
is natural, right? 
If you actually jumped from 

1165
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,640
like, you know, a higher you 
have a high ground, you jump to 

1166
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,560
the low ground, your knees are 
naturally going to bend. 

1167
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,360
And so that moment where you're 
crouching, not only does it help

1168
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,600
you dodge enemy attacks, but it 
sets you up for a variety of 

1169
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,040
special moves you can do like a 
Mortal Kombat style uppercut 

1170
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,480
that sends them into the 
ceiling. 

1171
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,560
Or as Sharon just was spamming 
to get to the end of the game, 

1172
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,440
you got this great Falcon knee 
that sends a flying to the other

1173
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,000
side of the screen. 
And. 

1174
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,760
This is all unlocked from the 
get go. 

1175
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,760
There's no more heart system. 
You can just start jamming on 

1176
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,720
this. 
And I really like the variety of

1177
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,840
gameplay. 
I kind of feel like this game 

1178
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,000
even edges out things like, you 
know, Streets of Rage, because 

1179
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:47,800
with that extra little setup, I 
now have a whole new strategic 

1180
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,120
approach to fights. 
And I love the moments when, OK,

1181
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,960
there's a Cliff on the far side 
of the screen, I'm going to hit 

1182
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,640
him with that knee attack that 
sends them across the screen and

1183
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,280
you just dunk them into the 
river. 

1184
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,360
Super satisfying. 
I'm Sharon. 

1185
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,920
I'm guessing that's key to like 
getting good at this game is 

1186
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,400
mastering those power attacks. 
Yes, yeah, yeah, the hurricane 

1187
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,200
kick and hyper knee or in a 
hyper elbow, the hyper uppercut.

1188
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,120
I'm sorry, those are those are 
master. 

1189
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,240
The hyper uppercut is the 
easiest one to pull off because 

1190
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,360
like if you're getting up from 
a, if you're getting up from a 

1191
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,040
Proctor position or getting 
knocked down, if you just push 

1192
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,680
that button, he'll get up and 
he'll just do that. 

1193
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,080
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, just keep tapping the 

1194
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,880
button, it's going to pause. 
Don't set them up. 

1195
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,640
The speed run is entirely knee. 
Oh yeah. 

1196
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,240
I've seen that. 
Knees all day, huh? 

1197
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,400
All day. 
So what was I doing wrong? 

1198
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,400
Because my joy con was that the 
spin tick, spin kick sure looks 

1199
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,760
cool, but it seems like you have
to do it at the height of your 

1200
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,040
jump. 
Yeah. 

1201
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,320
And I feel like I was always 
above my opponents. 

1202
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,480
What am I doing wrong? 
When When is that useful? 

1203
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,560
So when you get to the height of
your jump, you push you, you 

1204
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,760
push just one of the buttons. 
Sometimes you can push both. 

1205
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,360
But I think if you, if you push 
the, the, the two buttons at the

1206
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,200
same time and you jump once you 
get up there, you just push the 

1207
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,680
button and he'll spin around 
like left to right or whatever. 

1208
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,080
But it takes a little practice, 
you know, I, in fact, today I 

1209
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,840
couldn't even pull it off 
because like I said, I'm, I'm, 

1210
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,600
I'm so used to the original NES 
controller when playing that 

1211
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,160
game. 
And to me, the Nintendo Switch 

1212
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,880
is more of a Super Nintendo 
style because the buttons don't 

1213
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,240
they, they're like in an angle, 
like versus like being straight 

1214
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:29,680
across. 
And I would screw up a lot 

1215
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,280
because I'm looking for my 
button to my left to be there 

1216
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,280
and it's not there. 
I did see the point from this 

1217
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,120
speed runners, which was that 
before you get on the 

1218
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:43,560
helicopter, the ninjas that you 
face were apparently an addition

1219
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,400
from the arcade game and they 
don't have the ability to duck. 

1220
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,680
They don't. 
No. 

1221
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,400
Oh. 
And so that that was one of the 

1222
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,960
few times the speed where they 
use that other kick. 

1223
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,560
Yeah, because they can't duck 
that, and apparently other other

1224
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,200
enemies can't. 
OK, that's so funny because my 

1225
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,400
joy con, I have it on the screen
right here. 

1226
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,440
These strider hiru RIP offs. 
I freaking hate these guys. 

1227
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,440
They are such a difficulty spike
because like you're kind of 

1228
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,920
cruising through the game and 
then you get to these two. 

1229
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,720
Not only are they doing a ton of
damage, they are faster than any

1230
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,800
enemy you've seen before and 
they're peppering you with 

1231
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,040
shurikens. 
So it's like, I don't know about

1232
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,960
you guys, but like my life bar 
melts when I get to them. 

1233
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,280
And so I'm like, screw you guys 
because you get past them and 

1234
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,280
the next few, you know, the next
few many enemies aren't that 

1235
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,200
bad. 
And so I was like, what was that

1236
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,960
really? 
I feel like that's a thing that 

1237
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,280
modern games don't have very 
often was this weird difficulty 

1238
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:45,440
spikes where it's like Level 3 
is really bad, level 4 not so 

1239
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,920
bad. 
I feel like games today have 

1240
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,000
such a natural, smooth 
progression that sometimes I 

1241
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,520
kind of miss the weird little 
stressful points of games like 

1242
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,080
this. 
But I freaking hated these 

1243
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,440
ninjas and I'm still scarred 
from Super Ninja Boy, so screw 

1244
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,400
these ninjas. 
But Mike, you said they weren't 

1245
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,800
in the arcade mode. 
That is what the speedrunner 

1246
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,400
people said. 
OK, my last joy con is that I 

1247
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,280
miss the versus mode, the play 
as the enemies thing. 

1248
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,320
I know it wasn't very good, but 
I thought it was interesting at 

1249
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,040
least. 
But man, though, Double Dragon 2

1250
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,040
I way better than I expected and
I didn't expect it to be bad, 

1251
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,280
but like I just thought it aged 
really, really well and it's 

1252
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,280
kind of cool ending. 
Sharon, do you like the ending 

1253
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,920
of the game? 
Yeah, that guy. 

1254
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,760
The the final the final balls we
can play in Supreme Master. 

1255
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,080
Yeah, yeah. 
Because he can disappear. 

1256
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,400
Yeah, he can shoot fireballs. 
He does the Zongif spinning 

1257
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:46,720
lariat, he can do a Akuma's 
raging demon essentially where 

1258
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,920
he just occupies the same Sprite
as you and you just helpless and

1259
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,960
take a bunch of damage. 
So I, I do wonder if Street 

1260
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,560
Fighter owes something to Double
Dragon because I was like, this 

1261
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,760
game predates Street Fighter two
by quite a bit. 

1262
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,440
And I'm seeing hints of Zongif, 
I'm seeing hints of Akuma. 

1263
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,440
But as Sharon said, this guy, 
he's the mess. 

1264
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,160
OK, so sorry, I got so excited. 
I got ahead of myself. 

1265
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:12,000
Towards the end of the game, you
start seeing Marion, and there's

1266
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,760
a cutscene of like, oh, I hear 
her voice and I'm like, she got 

1267
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,320
shot at the beginning of this 
game. 

1268
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,680
It can't be her, right? 
And then you find her, and it's 

1269
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,720
this a hole who's using his 
illusion magic to make you think

1270
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,520
it's Marian. 
What a freaking gut punch. 

1271
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,920
But then he uses his illusion 
magic to disappear, become 

1272
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:34,000
totally invisible, but his hit 
box is still there so you can 

1273
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,600
punch. 
And you just hear the satisfying

1274
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,600
crunch of his face, even though 
you can't see him. 

1275
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:43,160
You're just shadowboxing and 
taking him down, all all while 

1276
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,280
these creepy eyes and this kind 
of sort of biblically accurate 

1277
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,600
devil watch you from the 
background. 

1278
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,840
What a finale, Sharon. 
Come on. 

1279
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,880
Oh yeah, and I used to dog walk 
him like it was my business to. 

1280
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,040
Shut up, shut up. 
Yes. 

1281
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,680
And look, he would disappear. 
It did not matter. 

1282
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,160
I would just. 
I mean, even though he 

1283
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,920
disappears, he's still walking 
towards you. 

1284
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,560
So I would knock him down and I 
was like, yeah, I know. 

1285
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,800
I he's about two inches in front
of me and I would just already, 

1286
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,480
I would already be in a 
hurricane kick and he would pow.

1287
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,880
You'd hear him get hit and you'd
do it again and pow. 

1288
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,040
But what you had to be careful 
of is like, you see how he spins

1289
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,120
around like you do the hurricane
kick. 

1290
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,120
He does a hurricane thing like 
when he spins his arms and he 

1291
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,440
flies across the screen. 
If he hits, it takes like 7080% 

1292
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,000
of your power. 
But yeah, so he's he can be 

1293
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,800
tough, but he's not. 
He's not all that to you. 

1294
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,200
What a cinematic end though, 
because you've gotten so good at

1295
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,000
Kung Fu that you are like using 
your heightened senses and 

1296
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,960
punching into thin air and 
you're still landing hits. 

1297
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,640
How badass do you feel for the 
big? 

1298
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,800
Oh man, such a one of my 
favorite last bosses I've ever 

1299
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,280
encountered. 
What what a what a what a mood. 

1300
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,840
Is there anything else we don't 
like about this game? 

1301
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,640
Not really. 
I mean, I I enjoyed it. 

1302
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,960
It's pretty good on Sharon. 
Yeah, it, it, it was, it was an 

1303
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,080
it. 
I mean, it's better than its 

1304
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,880
predecessor. 
It was definitely a good double 

1305
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,000
dragon too. 
What a jump in quality. 

1306
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,080
Yes. 
One thing that this reminded me 

1307
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,680
to mention that I did appreciate
was this had more in terms of 

1308
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,480
cutscene narrative elements. 
Yeah, kind of Ninja Gaiden 

1309
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,640
esque. 
Yeah. 

1310
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,800
So there was definitely, I 
wouldn't think of it as that 

1311
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,960
'cause it doesn't really go 
after the cinematic hill, but at

1312
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:38,440
least there is story in between 
each bit that kind of enriches 

1313
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:42,360
and and a more of a proper 
opening. 

1314
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:48,240
And just here's 5 seconds go. 
That was definitely a pro for 

1315
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,240
me. 
And then on the negative side of

1316
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,480
things, just because this was so
confusing that I didn't realize 

1317
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,120
that this was going on until 
watching the speed run, is that 

1318
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,560
apparently to actually eliminate
enemy, an enemy isn't just the 

1319
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,000
amount of damage you did, but 
you actually have to do an 

1320
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,680
attack that knocks them down, I 
guess. 

1321
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,040
Really. 
So that like you can't just keep

1322
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,400
punching them and then beat 
them. 

1323
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,160
You have to do with something 
else for at least at least some 

1324
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,920
of them, I believe, because that
was something that was being 

1325
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,439
talked about on this that speed 
run, I believe. 

1326
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,000
I didn't know that. 
Well, that's good, though. 

1327
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,040
You can't just kind of cheese 
your way to the end. 

1328
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,640
You actually have to vary your 
attacks. 

1329
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,560
I like that. 
Yeah, I didn't know that. 

1330
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,040
OK, guys, that brings us to the 
moment of truth. 

1331
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,040
We've covered the joy pros, the 
joy cons and every bit in 

1332
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:37,920
between. 
Now it's time to declare the 

1333
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,520
games from today's episode as a 
Nintendo or a Nintendo don't. 

1334
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:48,040
So for me, I don't think Double 
Dragon on the NES, the first 

1335
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:53,560
game has aged particularly well.
OK, like the main hook of the 

1336
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,240
title being two player Co-op and
then having a single player game

1337
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,279
that I don't think ran very 
well. 

1338
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,840
We've gotten to this situation 
before where it's like on the 

1339
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,359
same subscription tier. 
If you're playing this on 

1340
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:12,200
Switch, you have a subscription 
to Nintendo Classics, you have 

1341
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,560
access to Double Dragon 2. 
Is Double Dragon worth playing? 

1342
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,920
I think for me, and I feel bad 
because I know historically the 

1343
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,000
game is important, but I think 
it's a Nintend don't. 

1344
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,880
And for my rankings I put it 
pretty low. 

1345
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:32,800
I put it 97 out of 116. 
Sorry Sharon, I know you love 

1346
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,200
these games. 
No. 

1347
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,640
So go ahead. 
I put it right above Flicky 

1348
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,399
because that game's not even 
fun, and I put it right below 

1349
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:44,000
Doomsday Warrior based entirely 
on the fact that Doomsday 

1350
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,080
Warrior, I thought I had some 
interesting characters. 

1351
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,640
Double Dragon in the NES did not
really grab me, so Nintend don't

1352
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,439
for me. 
Well, let's go to Sharon next. 

1353
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,440
Sharon. 
Double Dragon, the original. 

1354
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:55,960
I'm going to guess you're a 
Nintendo. 

1355
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:01,120
I am, but also have to realize 
that I played it before I played

1356
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,640
Double Dragon two. 
Yeah. 

1357
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,360
However, if you if you jump in 
the game, if you jump into and 

1358
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,480
you play Double Dragon 2 first, 
I can almost see where it will 

1359
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:11,000
be a don't. 
Yeah. 

1360
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,640
Because I mean, because it does,
it is a step back from, you 

1361
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,800
know, it being a two player 
simultaneous to just A1 player. 

1362
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,880
Yeah. 
But you know, you also got to 

1363
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,960
think that a lot of people don't
like Zelda 2 to Adventure Link. 

1364
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:26,080
But I played that. 
I played that before I played 

1365
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,680
the original Legend of Zelda. 
Wait. 

1366
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:33,240
And and I still. 
Are you, are you a defender of 

1367
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,520
Zelda 2, the side scrolling 
Zelda? 

1368
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,400
Do you kind of like it? 
I love it. 

1369
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:42,600
Oh my God, it took Four Seasons.
Sharon, You Beautiful man, you 

1370
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,360
don't understand. 
I have been getting shit for 3 

1371
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,800
1/2 seasons for liking Zelda 2 
and I knew that one day I would 

1372
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,480
meet someone else who would 
defend that game with me. 

1373
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,320
Oh my gosh. 
Oh, man, that was that was the 

1374
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,640
first. 
Let's see, when I got Nintendo 

1375
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,560
in eighty, I was in 6th grade. 
Yeah, I got Nintendo in fifth 

1376
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,000
grade in 1989 for my birthday. 
That was a birthday present. 

1377
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:09,040
I got gold cartridge and all and
that's been one of my favorite 

1378
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,360
games. 
I I mean, I learned how to to 

1379
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,480
walk through that game and you 
fight the shadow balls at the 

1380
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,480
end and like which is the actual
shadow of Link. 

1381
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,360
Shadow link. 
And I played that one and I 

1382
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,480
don't think I played Division of
Zelda for the next couple of 

1383
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:25,360
months to a year, you know, 
because I didn't, I didn't have 

1384
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,600
it. 
I didn't have access to it, you 

1385
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,880
know, I didn't have any money to
go out and buy this game. 

1386
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,840
And even if I could, I couldn't 
go all the way to Biloxis or 

1387
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,120
Toys-R-Us, you know? 
But yeah, the legend, the, the 

1388
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,960
adventure link, yes, that was my
game. 

1389
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,760
I loved it. 
You hear that, Butch? 

1390
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:41,480
You hear that? 
Rhode Island. 

1391
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:44,440
Rhode Island. 
What a way to end season 4. 

1392
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:46,640
Oh, my gosh. 
Where have you been all my life,

1393
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,000
Sharon. 
OK, I'm sorry. 

1394
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,320
I that's. 
That's so satisfying. 

1395
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,280
But that being said, I got a bad
feeling about what Mike's about 

1396
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,200
to do. 
Mike, Double Dragon on the NES. 

1397
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:01,160
What's your verdict? 
I think I end end up at a fairly

1398
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,480
reluctant Nintendo. 
Oh, OK. 

1399
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,440
I think there is enough sort of 
interesting stuff going on there

1400
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:12,400
that even though I don't think 
it pulls it off as well as it 

1401
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,640
could, like I wish it 
communicated what was going on 

1402
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:21,680
better with the way that you get
access to additional to the 

1403
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,200
additional attacks in a way that
I felt like I could have that 

1404
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:26,680
the manual could have set me up 
for. 

1405
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,160
OK, this is how it got to 
approach this, but I like I like

1406
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:31,840
that idea. 
OK. 

1407
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,400
There's just a lot, a lot that I
wish could do better, but it it 

1408
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,520
had enough to it. 
And actually, I'm gonna side 

1409
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:42,520
note with that quick question 
because I didn't see this with 

1410
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,600
context. 
Do you fight the other brother 

1411
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,600
at the end of the first game? 
You do, yes. 

1412
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,240
He's the last boss, which I 
thought was kind of a sick 

1413
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,400
twist. 
See, you say, it's a twist. 

1414
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,040
They put that in the manual. 
They put that in the manual, 

1415
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,840
sort of. 
No. 

1416
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,400
Yeah. 
Yeah, it was even in the 

1417
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,640
strategy guy back in the day. 
The way that they word it in the

1418
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:09,000
manual when they talk about the 
character BIOS. 

1419
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,280
So this is for Billy, the hero 
of our story. 

1420
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,840
He began his Kung Fu training at
age 12 and became a Kung Fu 

1421
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:20,240
sosakin master at 20. 
Nice standard kind of thing. 

1422
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,880
This is the the bio for Jimmy 
Billy's twin brother. 

1423
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,840
He is secretly the Shadow Boss, 
mysterious leader of the Black 

1424
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:34,120
Warriors. 
Oh my God, that's Yep. 

1425
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,640
Well, OK, not A twist. 
So actually. 

1426
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,120
But here's the thing though. 
If you play through the original

1427
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,320
arcade version and you play with
Billy and Jimmy, once you beat 

1428
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,200
the guy with the gun, you still 
have to fight. 

1429
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,480
You have to fight for the girl 
and the winner is the one who 

1430
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:52,400
gets the girl. 
OK, OK, so in the in that you 

1431
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,040
fight one another. 
Correct. 

1432
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,360
Yeah. 
OK, I was this is part of what I

1433
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,240
was wondering about how this how
how this would play out into 

1434
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,360
player. 
I saw that is I'm like, how does

1435
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,960
that work in a two player 
version then? 

1436
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,080
So that makes sense. 
That is one of many things this 

1437
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,680
game did first and then became 
kind of a staple. 

1438
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,800
And in fact, I remember at the 
end of Die Hard Arcade, I'm not 

1439
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,280
sure, I never played that one. 
Great, beat him up on the Sega 

1440
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,600
Saturn. 
And at the end, this character 

1441
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,440
goes like, oh, you know, now we 
can see who's going to be my 

1442
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:23,400
bodyguard. 
And player one has to fight 

1443
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,040
player 2. 
And there's no more continues 

1444
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,040
allowed. 
It's just the end of the game. 

1445
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,440
Who's the better one? 
But in Diehard Arcade, you're 

1446
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:31,680
shooting each other with 
handguns and hitting each other 

1447
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,240
flamethrowers. 
And I was like, man, you really 

1448
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:35,680
want to be this girl's 
bodyguard? 

1449
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:43,080
Like that's that's really crazy.
OK, so Double Dragon on the NESA

1450
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,680
Nintendo, it's 2 to 1. 
Sharon, Double Dragon two. 

1451
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,840
I'm going to guess if you're 
recommending the first game, you

1452
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,360
got to recommend the second 
game. 

1453
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,600
Oh yeah, that's definitely a do 
for me. 

1454
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,160
For me, Double Dragon 2, it's a 
new fave. 

1455
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,240
I'm blown away at how good it is
as they walk around. 

1456
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:03,320
Beat them up on the NES. 
Like really limited hardware. 

1457
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,000
But they were cooking with this 
one. 

1458
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,840
The level variety, the special 
moves. 

1459
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,520
I feel like in some ways Double 
Dragon 2 is more interesting 

1460
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,960
than games in the genre that 
would come later, like Final 

1461
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,760
Fight. 
I love Final Fight, don't get me

1462
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,520
wrong, Final Fight is a classic.
But Final Fight doesn't have 

1463
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,440
like platforming levels and 
Final Fight doesn't have like 

1464
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:29,560
the Crouch mechanic where I'm 
doing special moves based on 

1465
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,080
timing like that. 
It felt a bit more brainless 

1466
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,480
than this game. 
So I really, really like Double 

1467
01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:39,840
Dragon 2. 
I'm going to give it a super 

1468
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,560
Nintendo. 
I I really think that if you're 

1469
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,520
a fan of beat em UPS, this is 
bordering on a must play. 

1470
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,960
And so I put it very high on my 
overall list. 

1471
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:55,160
I put it at 23 or 24. 
Excuse me, I have a little beat 

1472
01:15:55,160 --> 01:16:00,800
em up slot 25 is golden axe 24 
double dragon 2 and 23 is alien 

1473
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,800
storm and I think that's a good 
space for it. 

1474
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,320
Alien What alien storm do you 
like? 

1475
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:08,760
Alien storm or do you hate the 
alien storm? 

1476
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,520
No, I love the alien storm, 
especially the arcade version. 

1477
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,520
So good, so good. 
But so Sharon knows Alien Storm 

1478
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,040
has some cool gameplay variety. 
The game will switch into first 

1479
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,200
person shooter mode. 
It will have like a run and gun 

1480
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,400
section that's almost like a 
side scrolling shooter. 

1481
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,760
So I think in terms of variety, 
Alien Storm didn't. 

1482
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,240
Futuristic Golden Axe. 
Futuristic Golden Axe and Golden

1483
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:31,320
Axe. 
I love Golden Axe. 

1484
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,040
I mean, it's 25 out of 120 or 
something, but Golden Axe 

1485
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,360
doesn't have the variety of 
these other two games do. 

1486
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,920
So I think Double Dragon 2, I 
think it's perfect at 24 out of 

1487
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,960
116. 
Mike, what's your verdict on 

1488
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,760
Double Dragon 2 and where'd you 
place it? 

1489
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:55,200
Double Dragon 2 is a little bit 
more in favor of I think the way

1490
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,240
that I guess this replicates the
way arcade would handle this in 

1491
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,560
terms of the punching is 
actually an interesting with the

1492
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,840
left and right thing is 
interesting because just I 

1493
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,200
haven't come across many games 
that do that. 

1494
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,520
So like even that alone gives it
a bit of novelty. 

1495
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:15,360
So for me, it's still doesn't 
quite strike me as like a as a 

1496
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,720
strong Nintendo for me, but it's
definitely stronger than the 

1497
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,280
first one. 
So for me, I have the first 

1498
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:27,080
Double Dragon at 73, which is 
right above Donkey Kong for the 

1499
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:31,680
NES and below Echo the Dolphin. 
And then Double Dragon 2 is just

1500
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:36,920
a little bit up at 68, which is 
just above Joe and Mac 2 and 

1501
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,120
below F0. 
OK, OK, I don't hate that. 

1502
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,400
I don't hate that. 
So Mike, I think that brings us 

1503
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,000
to our and standings. 
Not Mike, not Jamal, but the end

1504
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,640
in between Mike. 
What is the mathematically 

1505
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,920
averaged placement of this game 
on our two lists? 

1506
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:59,160
So Double Dragon comes in at 
90th, right above Mario Brothers

1507
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:04,200
and Doctor Mario for the NES and
right below Metroid. 

1508
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,400
OK, that's that's that's a good 
little chunk. 

1509
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,040
Metroid and Double Dragon. 
I think that's kind of I like 

1510
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,960
that little Duke pairing. 
How about Double Dragon 2? 

1511
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:19,080
And then Double Dragon 2 just a 
little bit higher at 44 puts it 

1512
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:23,760
right ahead of Kirby's Dreamland
and Punch Out and right below 

1513
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,120
Mario Party. 
I'm not mad at that. 

1514
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,760
I mean, you know, it's in the 
company of Killer instinct. 

1515
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,800
Punch out Street Fighter 2 like 
this is the upper echelon. 

1516
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,760
Even though it's 45 out of 116, 
there's a lot of good games 

1517
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,160
above it. 
Sharon, how's how do you feel 

1518
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,400
about that 144 for Double Dragon
two? 

1519
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,240
I'm guessing you don't like 
Double Dragon being 90. 

1520
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,080
No, no, no, no, no. 
It's OK. 

1521
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,920
I mean, 'cause it's ranked, 
ranked. 

1522
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:52,400
Some games probably won't even 
make the table. 

1523
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,480
But. 
You know, you know this, I mean,

1524
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,440
you know, right, Right below 
Metroid. 

1525
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:00,120
I've never been, you know, I'm 
not going to say I've never been

1526
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,520
a fan in Metroid, but I've never
really played Mitch Roy a lot. 

1527
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,640
It's like it's one of the game. 
It was one of the games where I 

1528
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,840
kind of got lost in and it's 
like, you know, so but no, 

1529
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,480
that's that's that's perfectly 
fair because there are a lot of 

1530
01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:14,920
great games out there that that 
sit above it. 

1531
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,040
Double Dragon for me is a 
nostalgia. 

1532
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,920
Factor, Yeah, it's so good. 
It's good. 

1533
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:20,760
That's a good. 
Time. 

1534
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,680
I know where I was when I first 
played it and you know. 

1535
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,640
Both of them. 
You can still smell it. 

1536
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,360
Including the third one. 
Yeah, I still remember the smell

1537
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,440
of the Nintendo, the the all 
that stuff. 

1538
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,760
And then you watch Double 
Dragon, the movie, you're on a 

1539
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,840
date with a girl. 
So it's like it's the sights, 

1540
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,760
the sounds. 
The movie also a Nintendo. 

1541
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,480
I got to check out this movie. 
I'm going to that's that's going

1542
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:43,440
to be I'm going to reward myself
tomorrow. 

1543
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:45,520
It's. 
It's on I think I watched on 

1544
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,080
Tubi so like it is free to 
watch. 

1545
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,680
I got to get Tubi. 
I've been, I don't know what 

1546
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,160
makes me turn my nose up at 
Tubi, but I think this is going 

1547
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:53,520
to be the commercial that gets 
me commercial. 

1548
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,440
I guess that's. 
Commercial you look, I don't. 

1549
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:00,520
I've watched movies on Tubi and 
I'll start it and you know, once

1550
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,320
they go to a commercial break 
and I'll wake up and it's the 

1551
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,160
next day, it's like because they
could, their commercials are 

1552
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,520
forever. 
But I mean, I understand that's 

1553
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,440
that's part of the advertisement
business. 

1554
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:12,800
Model. 
Yeah, I it's OK. 

1555
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,200
I'm going to go get go grab more
to eat while the commercials are

1556
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,040
going because that's how it 
always worked. 

1557
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,320
So it's nostalgic. 
Look at that. 

1558
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,040
I'll switch your room. 
Indeed. 

1559
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,120
The commercials are like 7 
minutes long. 

1560
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,120
Yeah, but they'll put up a timer
so you know how long you got, 

1561
01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:32,520
and it's free. 
Yeah, hard to beat free guys. 

1562
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,680
We're going to call that game 
over for today. 

1563
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,880
Sharon, thank you so much for 
helping us close out this season

1564
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:39,360
in style. 
Thank you for having. 

1565
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,920
Me, It's been so much fun. 
Before you jump kick your way 

1566
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,160
out of here for your 4th of July
celebrations, why don't you 

1567
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,640
remind our listeners where they 
can go to check out 40 something

1568
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,720
Gamers and anything else you 
want to plug. 

1569
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,600
Yeah, you guys can check us out 
on 40 something Gamers across 

1570
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,600
all major platforms are cool, 
including iHeartRadio, Spotify, 

1571
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,600
Apple Music, We're we're all 
over the place. 

1572
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,480
I want to say YouTube as well. 
And yeah, so, you know, one of 

1573
01:21:01,480 --> 01:21:04,720
the things I always like to say 
is like, have fun, keep gaming, 

1574
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,320
you know, and eat your 
vegetables. 

1575
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:09,520
I love that I knew I forgot 
something. 

1576
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,840
It was the vegetables, damn it. 
All right, guys. 

1577
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,840
Well, that sounds northeast 
excellent. 

1578
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,080
Everyone join us next time we'll
be unlocking A cult classic for 

1579
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:21,200
the 3DS and available on Steam 
Locks quest. 

1580
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,560
It's going to be a fun one. 
Also, don't forget to visit 

1581
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,960
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There you can find links to our 

1582
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,120
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1583
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,640
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1584
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,560
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1585
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,360
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1586
01:21:37,480 --> 01:21:40,160
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1587
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,760
Until next time, and this has 
been the old switcheroo. 

1588
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,400
We've been talking gaming retro 
with Mike and Jamo. 

1589
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,400
I've been Mike. 
And I've been jamo game on 

1590
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:48,920
everyone.