Screentime: X-Men ‘97 Season Two Elimination Bracket (SPOILERS AHEAD!)

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Hey Ryan, describe, describe 
your costume again. 

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I'm Jubilee but I'm male and 40.
I want you to remember that you 

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said that. 
OK. 

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To me, my X-Men, because it's 
time for the old switcheroo 

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where we're normally talking 
gaming retro with Mike and Jamo.

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I'm not Mike. 
And I'm not Jamo. 

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But we're the often imitated, 
never emulated retro gaming 

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podcast that normally dives deep
into the Nintendo Switch Online 

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Nintendo Classics catalog. 
But while Mike and I are gearing

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up for our big 16th bit 
retrospective season finale, we 

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have a special treat for all you
Mutti lovers out there. 

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Backed by popular demand, this 
is the second ever X-Men 97X 

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lamination bracket. 
We're going to recap each 

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episode from Season 2 with a 
little amateur poetry by yours 

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truly, followed by a debate 
where we Peach where we pit each

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storyline in a fight to the 
finish. 

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Mike could unfortunately not 
join us today, but I'm still 

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very excited to be joined once 
again by my friend and cosplay 

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influencer extraordinaire. 
Instagrams very own Brian dot S 

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dot Lee or Juba Lee as he's 
known today here. 

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Is my last name. 
Yes, I love the new addition to 

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the cosplay. 
Tell us about them. 

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Oh, are you? 
Yeah. 

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Well, I guess, I mean, they're 
not quite new, but I suppose 

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I've added them since the last 
time we talked X-Men. 

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And since I was on camera doing 
that, you know, as Jamo joined 

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me for the X-Men season 1 
premiere, I'd thrown together to

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sort of a just sort of a Jubilee
bound. 

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But since I've added the a 
proper raincoat, which, you 

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know, it's very warm for 
Southern California weather, but

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you know, you got to do what you
got to do. 

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You know, got the proper pin, it
got her earrings and then 

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instead of just always have it. 
Well, I didn't have it on camera

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last time, but I know for that 
event I I had AI was chewing 

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actual bubble gum trying to blow
them for for photos, which would

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ended up being quite a struggle 
all evening until the end of the

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evening when my cosplay friend 
Dolly the Dalai Lama on on 

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Instagram, she she hit me with 
this brilliant idea of just 

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using a balloon. 
Those are my costume upgrades I 

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guess. 
So, so for those listening, 

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because he spoke with balloon in
his mouth, he has a pink balloon

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to perfectly recreate that 
iconic look of Jubilee blow in 

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just the perfect bubble. 
And Speaking of extraneous 

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circumstances, I don't know if 
that applies though. 

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Back from season 3, the inventor
of the Nintendo 64, Ryan, AKA 

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War Boss 5. 
Ryan, how the hell have you 

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been? 
I've been good. 

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I mean, you know, just kind of 
plugging along. 

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I don't really have anything 
terribly cool to plug. 

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I wish I did. 
I, well, I, I mean, I, I do, I 

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do dabble a little bit in riding
Dungeons and Dragons Adventures 

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league mods, for what that's 
worth. 

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I got one that's supposed to be 
premiering in a couple weeks 

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that is mostly done. 
That's a haunted house tour 

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through an abandoned laboratory 
where the mage was attempting to

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harness the power of demons. 
This sounds incredible. 

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It's been a fun, right? 
And I have multiple things in 

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there that make the players 
think they've all been killed. 

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So, you know, fun stuff. 
Nice. 

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And is it coming out just in 
time for Halloween, I'm 

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guessing? 
Like shockingly, yes, I got 

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lucky enough that I got picked 
for the upcoming Oh God, Gateway

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2026 here down here in Los 
Angeles and we premiere a bunch 

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of mods every convention and 
this one was horror themed, 

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appropriately enough. 
And I got I, I got lucky that I 

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got picked and putting the 
finishing touches on it as we 

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speak. 
Awesome. 

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Well, we'll include any links to
your stuff in the show notes, 

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but I am so happy here to get 
both of you because last season,

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one of our most popular episodes
was when we broke down Season 1 

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of X-Men 97. 
Ryan, now that you're back here 

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on the show, we have never 
actually talked to you about 

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your experience with the X-Men 
cartoon shows and X-Men 97 

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overall. 
So what's your what's your ex 

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take on all this? 
So I was a huge X-Men animated 

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series fan when I was a kid. 
X-Men, Spider Man, Batman, The 

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Animated Series, Hell, I even 
kind of liked Iron Man and the 

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Fantastic Four to show you how 
deep that love goes. 

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Great theme songs. 
Great theme songs. 

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Oh, yeah, no. 
Love those theme songs. 

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But then again, you know, it was
the 90s, it was the early 2000s.

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They all had banger theme songs.
But I, I've, I've like, I'm 

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pretty certain I've seen most of
the original series. 

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But it's the kind of thing where
it's like back then you had to 

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be up and ready at 10:00 AM on 
Saturday morning and you had to 

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convince your parents to let you
keep watching TV because you'd 

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already watched 5 or 6 shows in 
a row. 

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And they're like, turn the TV 
off. 

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It's time to actually do things.
But so I remember most of it 

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I've filled in random gaps just 
through cultural osmosis. 

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For the since then, I watched 
through season 1 of X-Men 97. 

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I will be completely honest and 
upfront I enjoy the series. 

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But I do have some issues with 
it that I'm sure will come up at

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some point today because the 
same issues I had for Season 1 

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are in Season 2 as well. 
I am stoked because Brian and I 

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are we kind of what's the we're 
kind of shills for X, So I know 

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we. 
Are but it would be nice to sort

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of bounce some ideas you. 
Know yeah they. 

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Will be they will be 
good-natured criticisms and most

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of them if followed to their 
conclusion would land at the 

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feet of Disney rather than 
anyone actually in the creating 

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the series. 
So. 

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OK, OK. 
I think I know where you're 

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going with that. 
Well guys, so let's get right to

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it here with the X-Men 97X Limit
Nation bracket. 

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The way this works is that we're
going to be pitting each story 

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from Season 2 against each 
other. 

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And Full disclosure, we are 
counting episodes three and four

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as one story so that the bracket
work out perfectly to 8. 

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So let's do the preliminary 
round here with a story one 

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versus story 2. 
And to give you guys a little 

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refresher on what happened in 
each story, I have once again 

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done one of my hikes, Ooze, 
which is an X-Men haiku for each

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one. 
So story #1 we've got so Days of

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Past, Future story 13960, the 
Summers reunited, but cable gets

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shipped. 
We're pitting that story, the 

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season premiere against story 
2A. 

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Force to be reckoned with, 
custom intros. 

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Dope. 
Lee's not a kid anymore, force 

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versus factor. 
So if I can just kind of start 

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off here with the first one, I 
think that immediately, so much 

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of what I loved about Season 1 
is here. 

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The animation quality is still 
fan freaking tastic. 

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The art direction, the 
backgrounds, right, Brian, like 

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it's such a beautiful show. 
But I initially had some 

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confusion. 
I remember Brian and I watched 

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episode 1 together and I kind of
struggled in my brain to figure 

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out where this is taking place 
in the timeline because 

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apocalypse is far future where 
the show starts kind of looks 

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like the past, like it's very 
desert is and very in ruins. 

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And I that might just be on me. 
I might just be kind of too 

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easily confused, but nothing 
from that first episode really 

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sticks in my brain when I'm 
trying to think about what I 

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really liked. 
I don't know that this first 

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episode had any big memorable 
moments for me, so I'm 

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definitely leaning towards story
2, the X Force episode. 

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Ryan. 
No, I get you. 

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I see what you mean and if 
anything this in general all the

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time hopping around did get a 
little convoluted. 

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And you have a point about the 
visual nature of, you know, this

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post apocalyptic wasteland that 
can also come off a little bit 

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like, wait, where are we? 
Where are we right now? 

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But I, yeah, I guess I see what 
you mean about there not being 

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any real stand out about that 
first episode, especially in 

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comparison to the second, the 
2nd. 

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And I'll be honest, a huge part 
of why the second lives in my 

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memory so strongly right off the
bat was that alternate intro 

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you? 
Know the alternate intro was 

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very very good. 
Absolutely, yeah. 

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And look, I mean, it's we're 
certainly not the first to say 

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it. 
Fans of both of these series, 

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especially the OT series, have 
often lauded how this is this is

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the intro you never skip. 
It's one of the most iconic 

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themes, one of the most iconic 
just, you know, animated intros.

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And then just seeing that the 
shock of realizing, oh, damn, 

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we're getting an X Factor 
version, which also, you know, 

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was so perfect for that episode 
because it, it switched gears 

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and told you the story about 
Havoc and Polaris and Strong Guy

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and multiple men, you know, like
it was. 

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Yeah. 
And seeing all of them getting 

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the intro treatment definitely 
encapsulated the feel of, of 

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the, of doing a very different 
kind of story in that second 

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one. 
And just, you know, right off 

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the bat, it's like, oh man, this
episode. 

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So I'm with you. 
The second one is more 

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memorable. 
It's it, it does something a 

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little more different in a way 
that just really stands out. 

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And yeah, I I definitely feel 
like #2 wins over #1. 

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And Jubilee is so good in this 
series. 

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So that's like, that's her 
episode. 

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It's told from her perspective 
as her loyalty start to waver 

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and she starts to question just 
how far she's willing to go to 

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defeat Apocalypse. 
And Oh, yeah. 

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And I loved her as, like, the 
sort of moral anchor. 

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And she's like, dude, if the 
professor was here right now, 

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he'd be really ashamed of you 
guys. 

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And it's like my heart always 
goes out to someone who holds on

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to their principles in the face 
of utter doom. 

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Yeah, she keeps X force. 
Good. 

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She keeps X force in line with 
with with, you know, Xavier's, 

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you know, kind of mantra and and
and code of doing things. 

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And also she that it's a bad ass
look with that black suit. 

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I'm already thinking like well I
want to do that version of two. 

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But Ryan, I've always considered
you a man who holds onto his 

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principles in the face of 
apocalypse. 

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Are you cool with saying episode
2 is also better than the first 

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one? 
So I will be the curmudgeonly 

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old man here, OK. 
And I will say I actually liked 

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episode 1 quite a bit. 
I felt that Episode 1, so to to 

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to lay out my bona fides, I 
actually own and read repeatedly

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X-Men Alpha, X-Men Omega and 
Generation, the little four part

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generation next. 
It was all very big on 

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Apocalypse and it was a little 
disappointing to see this 

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blasted wasteland where it's 
like, no, no, no, this they're 

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they're huge cities filled with 
the mutants because Apocalypse 

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doesn't hate the mutants. 
He wants to own them and control

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them. 
And where's the human 

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resistance? 
And, you know, all of the, you 

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know, all of the really cool 
parts of what was essentially 

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the just edgiest of edgy 
storylines for the X-Men back in

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the 90s. 
So. 

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But I felt that Episode 1 had a 
good self-contained story. 

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OK. 
It was a solid story about it 

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gave us some good character 
dynamics between Cyclops, Gene 

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and Nathan. 
It gave us the interesting 

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mystery of oh God, Mother 
Ashkani, you know, what is this?

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Why is the Phoenix keep showing 
up in her eye? 

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You know, it's, it's a very 
fascinating, you know, gives us 

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a couple good intros and then it
gives us an interesting ending. 

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Although I will say at the very 
ending when you see Apocalypse 

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go launching off into space, 
Team Rocket style, it was not 

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immediately apparent to me on my
first season watch that he was 

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time travelling because they 
never really established that. 

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Because that's him time 
travelling back to the 90s. 

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Incidentally, every time they 
reference, every time they say 

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the 90s or 1990s, I am sucked 
out of the narrative. 

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Every time I've said it too much
in my own life, I cannot take it

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seriously. 
That's so funny. 

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I I love those moments. 
No, but I kind of see, I, I love

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those moments too, but I kind of
see what Ryan means at the very 

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least. 
I mean, look, it's when the 

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original series takes place. 
It's when they keep coming back 

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to it's such a central part of 
their storyline. 

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But but it it does always feel, 
particularly as millennials, as 

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kids of the 90s, it always feels
inherently and unintentionally 

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kind of funny to hear what it's 
like exactly. 

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Go back to the 90s. 
So we're going to put on Jinko 

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jeans and and like, Fanny packs.
And just to hear it coming out 

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of Apocalypse's mouth. 
Right, right. 

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I. 
Mean it's like, but then again, 

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I and I will, I'm sure I'll talk
about this later, but I do have 

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some issues with the writing a 
little bit here and there and 

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that I feel like that that 
that's the kind of thing where a

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second pass would have 
benefited, where it's like, you 

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know, it sounds weird hearing 
this 10 foot tall blue steel 

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alien mutant hybrid thing saying
like 2-9 days. 

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It's like, can't you just say 
like, we must return to when the

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X-Men were at their prime or 
something like that, you know? 

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Amazon Prime. 
And trust and trust the read and

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trust the viewer to come along 
with you. 

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I I think. 
It was Cornball Network. 

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I think it was cornball on 
purpose. 

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That's that's entirely possible,
Yeah. 

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But yeah, the reason I'm the 
reason I like that one a little 

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bit better. 
In episode 2, Episode 2, again, 

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banger intro. 
Love it. 

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Absolutely love it. 
Had a couple of moments in it 

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that I absolutely loved. 
Like, there's the scene when 

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Jubilee and Sunspot sit down 
with Cable at the pizza parlor 

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booth and Cable is hunched over 
and still towering a good two 

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feet above both of them. 
Was one of the most brilliant 

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visuals in the entire season. 
Absolutely loved it. 

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It was a true feeling of the 
sense of scale of this strange, 

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strange man. 
So I, I just, I, I wanted to 

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shout that out because I 
absolutely loved it. 

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I liked that cable just straight
up executed war. 

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I'm like, yes, that's exactly 
what you should be doing. 

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And we'll come back to that when
we talk about the Savage Land. 

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So you. 
Oh, absolutely, yeah. 

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You are team Batman should just 
kill the Joker. 

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At this point, yes, although I 
will say that's reality has done

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that to me. 
I get that I have been 

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radicalized. 
In fairness, I, I mean, like you

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did agree with that sentiment, 
but in fairness, like you can 

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absolutely find these these kind
of characters fascinating 

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without necessarily, you know, 
agreeing with their their way of

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doing things. 
You know, just because you're a 

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Punisher fan doesn't mean you 
should go out there, you know? 

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Oh yeah, no. 
No, no, but I but I like that 

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you mentioned that because 
obviously it sets up as we will 

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eventually talk about, you know,
that that Cable is a little is a

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little more ruthless than all 
the rest of these X-Men. 

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And and and and plus. 
Yeah, I love that you mentioned 

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the kind of the visual nature 
too, of the way he feels like a 

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fish out of water, especially 
with these kids. 

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And, you know, in this in in a 
completely different time. 

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But he's not one of them. 
And he has a different way of 

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doing things. 
And he he's seen he's seen 

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things that none of them know or
understand. 

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And so, you know, in ways that 
you can't necessarily disagree 

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with too. 
It it leads to so many moral 

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quandaries, you know, as as as 
they eventually come later in 

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the series too. 
So and. 

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That's what happened to Ryan. 
Now he's radicalized. 

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You know what? 
I just realized you guys were 

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talking Cable's plot line is 
essentially the same from 

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Deadpool 2. 
Like is this always the plot is 

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that Cable comes back and 
they're trying to rein him in 

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because he's too gung ho to do 
whatever it takes to save the 

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future? 
I feel like that's just the 

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character. 
That yeah, I actually, yeah, 

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because I'm thinking back to 
because I've read through 

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Deadpool and Cable, the the 
comic series. 

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And yeah, even though they 
called him Nathan at that point,

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I mean, dude was going a little 
overboard the whole time, no 

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question. 
Well, we had a classic trope for

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a reason. 
The whole notion of somebody 

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coming from a future of ruin 
and, and feeling the need to 

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come back in time and do 
something that might have 

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seemed, you know, untoward at 
the time. 

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But like, you haven't seen what 
they've seen. 

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You know, the, the, the Kyle 
Reese's, the, the, the, the 

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cables, the bishops, you know, 
that they that they yeah, they 

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have all the more reason to do 
something that might otherwise 

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seem like, whoa, a little too 
far. 

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Yeah. 
So, yeah. 

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I mean, but it's very much, 
yeah. 

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It's very much Cable's 
character. 

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Yeah, it's Mangione. 
Wow. 

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OK, hold on. 
All right, so before we 

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eliminate story number one, we 
got to acknowledge how great the

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title Days of Past Future is. 
Like, I was like that. 

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Yeah, that's pretty good. 
OK, well, but with two votes 

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against it, we are eliminating 
story #1 and moving on to the 

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next part of our bracket. 
Story #3 versus story #4. 

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First Rise of Apocalypse, which 
is episodes three and four. 

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Walk like Egyptians. 
Noor becomes Apocalypse, Eric 

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becomes Ash. 
Aw aw, too soon, too soon, too 

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soon. 
Is walk like an Egyptian? 

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Is that an offensive song now? 
Has that been like cancelled or 

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is it still flying I. 
Don't think so. 

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I think I think we forgive a lot
for the 80s when it comes to 

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music. 
The 80s. 

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Like, a lot a lot. 
Or it's a counterpart here. 

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The next episode, another good 
one. 

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Weapon X lies and DVDs 
Wolverine's rivals united 

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against the Brood. 
Logan is re clawed. 

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So this one, this one's tough. 
So I want to give a shout out to

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the one that I think is going to
lose, which is Weapon X lies in 

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DVDs. 
As a kid, Brian, and I've talked

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to this before, but pre 
Internet, so much of what you 

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got from X-Men was told to you 
in the trading cards that were 

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included with the action 
figures. 

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And because it was a random 
trading card and sometimes like 

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it was so fun going to the toy 
store and you're like, OK, I 

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know I'm going to buy Iceman, 
but I'm going to look through 

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the Iceman and look past him to 
see which trading card I want. 

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It was this extra layer of 
collectibility that was so 

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freaking fun. 
And so I had a Brood card and it

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was the scariest, creepiest, 
like Ridley Scott Alien looking 

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thing that just seemed so 
threatening because it was so 

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visually different from any 
other X-Men adversary. 

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And then when I got the Brood 
action figure. 

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So sick have like the scorpion 
tail flappable wings at this jaw

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that moved. 
So what I'm trying to say is 

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that Brood has always been a fan
favorite of mine. 

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So to actually finally see them 
in the X-Men animated series, I 

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really popped off for that. 
I was a I'm a big fan of Saber 

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tooth as a character Lady death 
strike. 

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Like I think that Wolverine side
of the story is so fun. 

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I don't want it to be the focus,
but I love, I think every season

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should have like a Wolverine 
episode. 

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And we didn't really get that in
Season 1. 

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So I was super stoked for that. 
And then also, I've always been 

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a huge fan of him and Morph, 
their friendship. 

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How in the beginning of this 
series, and I'm talking about 

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back in actual 1997, when Morph 
dies, you're like, why is 

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Wolverine so torn up about it? 
And this show has gone so far to

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show you just how good of 
friends they are so that when 

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Logan betrays Morph's trust 
because he's really just here 

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endangering all their lives 
because he needs the adamantium 

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back. 
I loved that moment where Morph 

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is so disappointed in him. 
And I love that they left it on 

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that down note. 
And I really wish that a later 

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episode had followed up. 
Maybe they'll get that in Season

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3, I don't know, but I don't 
objectively think it's as good 

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as an episode as Rise of 
Apocalypse, but I wanted to get 

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those good things out about it. 
Ryan, what's your take on these?

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So. 
Sorry, we have some similar 

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names. 
Wait wait, which one did you 

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say? 
I see Ryan, you take this one 

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cuz I take. 
That one first after you. 

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OK, OK, so I I just came up with
my unofficial title for these 

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three episodes. 
It is the they were just 

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roommates because you've got 
Ensavinur and Ball in episode 3,

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you've got Eric and Eric and the
professor in episode 4, and 

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you've got Wolverine and Morph 
in episode 5. 

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And my problem with these 
episodes because these are some 

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of the episodes when I was due 
because I did a whole I 

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rewatched the entire series 
yesterday just to refresh my 

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brain. 
And of all of them, despite my 

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love for Wolverine, my love for 
Saber tooth, lady death strike, 

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all of all of every I I 
literally have written in my 

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notes. 
This should have been one of my 

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favorite episodes and it's one 
of my least favorites. 

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The reason being is both of 
these episodes needed more time.

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Like like in episode 3, there's 
a moment where Rogue says after 

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everything we've been through 
for the last few months and all 

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I can think to myself is, well, 
where's that episode? 

390
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Where's that episode where we 
get to see you guys getting to 

391
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know En Sabanur, seeing the 
relationship between En Sabanur 

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and Ball? 
Did you guys not want to pay 

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Wharf more money? 
I mean, I'm sure his, I'm sure 

394
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his the bill was probably a 
little higher than maybe some of

395
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the other actors, but come on, 
guys. 

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And I feel like a lot of the 
beats that we were supposed to 

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deal, that we were supposed to 
really resonate with us in 

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episodes three and four would 
have benefited from us seeing 

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Ensavonoor with his people, 
seeing Ensavonoor interact with 

400
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Ball, seeing maybe a little bit 
more of Ensavonoor's childhood 

401
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and slavery. 
You know, all of that would have

402
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made Apocalypse a much more 
interesting and sympathy, more 

403
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importantly sympathetic figure 
so that his fall becomes all the

404
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more tragic. 
Then for episode 5, OK I get the

405
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concept of Wolverine wanting his
claws back makes a certain 

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amount of sense, but the only 
only indication we get at any 

407
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point that this would be a thing
is in the first episode when we 

408
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see his him break his claws a 
few times during the fight 

409
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scenes. 
Outside of that there is no 

410
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indication he would want to be. 
He would want the adamantium 

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back in his body. 
I feel if we'd been sprinkling 

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things throughout the 1st 4 
episodes of Wolverine. 

413
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Like, Can you imagine how how 
much more it would have hit if 

414
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in that fight scene with him and
Storm and Forge in the first 

415
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,200
episode if Wolverine had been 
utterly impotent? 

416
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Yeah, like if he had fought and 
broken and just broken his claws

417
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and bloodied his knuckles 
against these robots. 

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But been I am able to do 
anything because how do you 

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Pierce metal with bone, you 
know, and having Storm haves and

420
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having Storm and Forge have to 
do all the work, you know, And 

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then, you know, another episode,
You know, obviously we don't see

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Wolverine for a couple of 
episodes, but you know, or maybe

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just a meaningful look at the 
claws as they're regrowing or 

424
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something, you know, something 
to foreshadow this. 

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I want to be back to where I am 
kind of kind of vibe, which is 

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the entire impetus for episode 
5. 

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And it would have given the 
viewer a chance to go. 

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00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:22,640
Wait a minute. 
Adamantium, you say? 

429
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And. 
It would have. 

430
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,200
Felt like it came out of left 
field less. 

431
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,880
Yeah, yeah. 
Although I will say, oh, sorry, 

432
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no, yes. 
No, Say it, do it. 

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I will say it was very brave of 
Disney to work with Amazon Prime

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00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:44,600
and import Cane from the boys. 
I tell you, I'm like, I when 

435
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,920
when he dies in the helicopter 
crash, I'm like, OK, good. 

436
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,240
Yeah. 
He needed to be gone. 

437
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,840
I I'm, I did not want any more 
of that man. 

438
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,520
It took me out of it though 
because the the remember their 

439
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,160
team dies. 
I don't even know if there's 

440
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,120
dialogue to acknowledge it. 
Like, it's kind of almost like 

441
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,680
they drew too many characters in
the beginning and they're like, 

442
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,240
well, you know, he's not making 
it off the plane. 

443
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,800
Yeah, I felt like a callback for
callback's sake. 

444
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,720
Yeah, yeah. 
And the other thing that kind of

445
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,360
Jarred me about this whole, 
like, I want my adamantium back 

446
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:19,720
because, first of all, you know,
at the end of Season 1, when 

447
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Magneto rips out the adamantium,
iconic moment in the comics, So 

448
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,440
powerful. 
And then what happens to 

449
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,680
Wolverine, the character, so 
interesting how he goes feral 

450
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,480
and, like, has this whole, like,
animalistic side and like, his 

451
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,480
healing factor kicks into 
OverDrive and turns him into 

452
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,040
this more animal than man 
version. 

453
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,080
And and he doesn't get his 
adamantium back till years and 

454
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,000
years of comics. 
Yeah. 

455
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,640
So it's like, if you're going to
undo it in the very first 

456
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,600
Wolverine storyline, why did you
do it? 

457
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,720
It almost takes the steam out of
that moment from season 1 and 

458
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,520
retroactively makes it less 
powerful. 

459
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,040
Yeah, no, I'm there with you. 
Actually, if I'm, if I may jump 

460
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,440
in at that point too, cuz like 
first of all, I don't disagree 

461
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,440
with many of the things that 
both you guys said. 

462
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,960
But yeah, let me start off by 
saying my preference goes to the

463
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,800
rise of Apocalypse 2 parter. 
But I'm glad that Jeremy, that 

464
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,600
even even as somebody was who 
who enjoyed both of these 

465
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,560
episodes, that you gave a strong
shout out to Weapons, Weapon X 

466
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,080
Lives and DVDs, which by the 
way, I love that title too. 

467
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,240
Yeah. 
But but also, yeah, there's a 

468
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,240
lot I love about that episode, 
particularly seeing a Wolverine 

469
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,960
centric episode that involves 
all these people connected to 

470
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,120
Weapon X seeing Sabretooth, Lady
Death Strike and like and Omega 

471
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:45,600
Red. 
But ultimately there was a part 

472
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,200
of me a little disappointed to 
see how quickly Wolverine just 

473
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,600
got his adamantium back into 
that. 

474
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,120
That was something that like 
like Ryan, you pointed out that 

475
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:58,520
they they, it didn't feel like 
we got there may be enough 

476
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,480
reason for why he wanted to to 
get it back. 

477
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,360
And also it felt like a little 
bit of a disservice as Jeremy 

478
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:09,520
pointed out to that, that whole 
arc in the comics following that

479
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,240
iconic moment that they finally 
showed you at the their version 

480
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,920
of at the end of season 1 of of 
Wolverine, losing all his 

481
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,440
adamantium and how much that 
changed him. 

482
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,640
I, I wanted to see at least a 
full season arc or two maybe 

483
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,720
before, you know, while he has 
the bone claws and, and, and 

484
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,120
catering to a lot of that 
storyline where he becomes so 

485
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:33,520
much more feral, so much more 
animalistic, so much more, you 

486
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,120
know what? 
He's literally, you know, ripped

487
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,880
down to his to, to to his root 
mutations. 

488
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:44,240
You know, So yeah, but but also 
on the flip side, I, I did like 

489
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,040
the way that that piggybacks off
off of what they've established 

490
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,840
with his relationship with Morph
and the way that that that more 

491
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,680
felt felt betrayed by that 
because because I'm with you, 

492
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,160
Jeremy. 
I remember watching the OG 

493
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,600
series kind of going like they 
make such a big deal of how 

494
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,680
Morph and Wolverine are so close
without it feeling earned. 

495
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,520
And and the more and more that 
they have built upon that 

496
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,280
relationship, especially in 
X-Men 97, the more that that 

497
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,960
that feels, you know, that 
retroactively feels more 

498
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,040
enriched. 
And then, you know, and then the

499
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,560
way that he even feels like it. 
They they do a lot with with 

500
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,720
that relationship, given that 
Morph was never really 

501
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,640
originally part of the comics 
too. 

502
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,640
But but yeah, I, I, I got it. 
I got to give this though, to to

503
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,400
rise of apocalypse, even though 
I also agree with you, Ryan, 

504
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,520
about the notion that maybe, you
know, something that focused a 

505
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:43,360
little bit more on enduring you 
to and Saba Nur in in his, you 

506
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,560
know, in his environment in 
ancient Egypt, You know, maybe 

507
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,840
even further developing Ramatat 
as well would have been nice. 

508
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,320
But at the same time, I'm glad 
that they gave this this 

509
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,680
storyline to like, if there was 
any part of this whole season 

510
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,680
that deserved obviously more 
than one episode to be focused 

511
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,200
on, it was it was this rise of 
apocalypse arc. 

512
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,800
And of course, the, you know, 
the gut punch of that ending of 

513
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,920
that second episode of losing 
Magneto and you see and and 

514
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,320
seeing it through Charles's 
eyes, the way that and some 

515
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,680
under kills him right in front 
of him. 

516
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,800
And that and that that reprisal 
of that line too, about, you 

517
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,800
know, about God crushing ants or
I forget exactly what it was. 

518
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,080
But you know, you know, the 
moment I'm talking about this is

519
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,680
only a. 100%. 
Only a coward feels powerful 

520
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,240
crushing ants. 
Yes. 

521
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,640
And and he he does that anime 
move where it's gonna step on 

522
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,040
Charles's face and he steps over
him and he leaves Charles in the

523
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:51,360
desert with I essentially 
Magneto's skeleton or ashes or 

524
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,200
something and like his charred 
helmet. 

525
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,840
Yeah, and how much you feel for 
Charles in that moment, too, 

526
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,720
where he's just, like, ready to 
take it just because he just 

527
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,000
lost his best friend and, you 
know, and what am I gonna do 

528
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,760
against? 
Like, it's just, it's, it almost

529
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,360
feels for a moment of 
technically mercy. 

530
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,520
It almost feels torturous for 
him to just leave him. 100% 

531
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,040
it's, it's spite. 
He does not. 

532
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,680
He does not spare him out of any
sense of mercy. 

533
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,000
It is a spiteful action. 
A. 100%. 

534
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:28,840
So I really loved this storyline
for a couple of reasons. 1 I had

535
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,440
this comic back in the day and 
it came with this weird Quake 

536
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,720
mod called Ravages of 
Apocalypse. 

537
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,240
I've talked about it before on 
the show. 

538
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,800
If you haven't seen this, Ryan, 
you got a Google search. 

539
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,680
This thing, it is a first, is a 
first person shooter where all 

540
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:49,040
the monsters are X-Men clones 
and you kill them in the most 

541
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,520
barbaric way. 
You shoot a clone Gambit with a 

542
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,760
shotgun and he falls in half 
with blood spreading everywhere.

543
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,080
You blow up like clone Iceman 
and like he becomes like a 

544
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,120
puddle. 
I guess that was not so bad, but

545
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,440
it's really weird that Marvel 
ever let this game be made and 

546
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,680
officially sold in stores. 
But it came with this storyline,

547
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,520
Rise of Apocalypse Now, not with
the X-Men back in time. 

548
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:20,360
It was just En Saba Noor as a 
slave, En Saba Noor being the 

549
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,880
first mutant in existence. 
And I always loved that as this 

550
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,680
villain. 
He's this timeless, unkillable, 

551
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,360
always surviving. 
It really gives him this 

552
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,520
embodiment of evil of like, 
dude, I'm always going to be 

553
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,240
around. 
He's inevitable. 

554
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,200
But I think, you know, for me, 
he was my Thanos growing up. 

555
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:47,600
But I love the inversion of Eric
being the one to try and save in

556
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600
Sabanur's soul and being like, 
there's good in him. 

557
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,160
Charles, you brought out the 
good in me and I tried to drown 

558
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,400
the whole planet, right? 
We can save him too. 

559
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,600
And what a wonderful way to save
the future. 

560
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,800
Instead of punching harder, we 
can redeem this person. 

561
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:11,080
And I love the gut punch when he
it doesn't work And Apocalypse 

562
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:17,000
was in Sabanur becomes 
Apocalypse kills Magneto and 

563
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Charles snaps and he says 
perhaps the coldest thing he's 

564
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,840
ever said, which is do you think
your mother left you to die in 

565
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,200
the desert because he knew she 
knew what you'd become? 

566
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,640
Like, how wonderful for your 
mother to have been spared you. 

567
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,920
And it was like, Oh my God, 
Charles, I know he just killed 

568
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,680
your best friend in the whole 
world, but God damn, that was 

569
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,920
cold. 
It was a great moment for 

570
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,240
Charles, but I'm glad you also 
touched on that with Magneto, 

571
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,280
because Magneto, even though I 
wouldn't agree with him and the 

572
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:55,440
plan that he that that he 
chooses to take, because who's 

573
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,960
to say? 
You know how you know how much 

574
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,880
you would change given how far 
back they are in time to how 

575
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,760
much they could really be 
benefiting mutant kind in the 

576
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,840
grand scheme of things across 
millennia. 

577
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,480
You know, with what they what 
Magneto tries to do. 

578
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,880
But at the same time, it seems 
like the perfect storyline for 

579
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,400
Magneto, given given that he's a
Holocaust survivor, given given 

580
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,639
his stance on on mutant kind to 
do anything you can to prevent, 

581
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,159
you know, the hardships that 
that he knows are that they're 

582
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:32,159
all destined to to face. 
And then and then in turn, to 

583
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:37,159
see what happens to him when 
he's doing, when he's the one 

584
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:41,199
who wants to go out of his way 
to, to to help Ensobvener. 

585
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,360
It's this, Yeah, it's it's 
brutal. 

586
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,520
It's a, it's a great Magneto 
storyline. 

587
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,639
It's a great Charles storyline. 
And and even though I do agree 

588
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,920
with Ryan that there, there 
could have been more set up and 

589
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,040
more, more endearing to 
Ensobvener that might make you 

590
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,960
feel a little bit more of the 
tragedy of, of, of, of what 

591
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,000
happens with him. 
So. 

592
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,480
But I got to give, Yeah. 
So I got to give the the I got 

593
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,360
to give it to Rice of Apocalypse
over Weapon X lives and DVDs. 

594
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,080
Despite that brilliant title, 
Yeah. 

595
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,480
Ryan, did you pop off when we it
was revealed that the villainous

596
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,720
Pharaoh that is torturing in 
Sabanur into becoming apocalypse

597
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,600
is Rama Tut? 
Did you recognize the name? 

598
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,480
The moment there was a 
villainous pharaoh, I knew 

599
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,520
exactly who he was. 
That was not a surprise to me in

600
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,320
the slightest, especially when 
it turned out he was being 

601
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,200
voiced by Q. 
I'm like, come on. 

602
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,600
Yeah, no, I had a brain. 
Star Trek reunion, wasn't it? 

603
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,520
Oh, oh, yeah, no, absolutely. 
That was great. 

604
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,000
But but I, but I did have the 
brain fart of like, I didn't, I 

605
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,320
didn't recognize Rama Tut right 
away. 

606
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,960
Jeremy tried to help me too with
that line where they they, they 

607
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,280
call him the Conqueror or 
something and was like, oh, oh, 

608
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,000
right, Rama Tut. 
Yes, that's right. 

609
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,840
This is this is king. 
But, but also interesting to 

610
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,320
see. 
I mean, I guess it's been set up

611
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,840
because, you know, spoiler 
alert, they don't really go back

612
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,920
to king later this season. 
So I guess this is this is, you 

613
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,040
know, primarily set up for a 
future storyline season 3 or 4. 

614
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,400
You know, we were we already 
know that they're they're 

615
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,080
working on at least two more 
seasons of this and by all 

616
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,920
indications more more 
thereafter. 

617
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,920
So, you know, that was a nice 
way to work that in. 

618
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,120
I always, I also love the ways 
that they, you know, even though

619
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,840
I didn't quite recognize that at
the moment. 

620
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,040
The way that the, the, the 
little nods of the fans where, 

621
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,400
you know, they drop the, the 
word conqueror in there. 

622
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,960
The way that you know when you 
see the the first time they go 

623
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,160
into ship and they see the the 
celestial and how how how beast 

624
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,960
is like you know this seems to 
be celestial in origin. 

625
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,280
I will say the animation when 
they when and seven or communes 

626
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,800
with the celestial is some of 
the most impressive use of 

627
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,440
perspective and scale that I've 
I've seen in a long time in an 

628
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,200
animated series, because it 
really made you feel how 

629
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,560
absolutely huge this creature 
was. 

630
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,200
Absolutely. 
Yeah, No, no, I'm glad you you 

631
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,440
hit on that. 
Not just because the the artwork

632
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,600
of the show has been so damn 
good, but how well they convey 

633
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,680
the sheer size of of the 
celestials too. 

634
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,800
It's a yeah, Yeah, it's yeah. 
It's gorgeous. 

635
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,600
Maybe you want to go back and 
rewatch it. 

636
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,240
I know you just did recently, 
but I haven't. 

637
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,560
Yeah, yeah. 
I've only really watched these 

638
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,040
episodes one at a time so far. 
And now that the season is done,

639
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,640
I've definitely got to go back 
and give it a fresh rewatch. 

640
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,040
And super cool to be folding in 
some of the more forgotten 

641
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,080
corners of the MCU. 
So like now Eternals has a bit 

642
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,640
more relevance and like, you 
know, in the the Jonathan Majors

643
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,200
fall out. 
Like there are probably some 

644
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,600
cool Kang storylines we'll never
get now. 

645
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,680
But I love the idea that we 
might get them through this show

646
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,360
or through animated series. 
Like they've got a smart use of 

647
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,640
it. 
And I always liked how X-Men as 

648
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,680
a series kind of blended magic 
and the cosmos and time travel. 

649
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,280
It kind of has its fingers and 
everything. 

650
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,160
So that makes me excited for 
what they're going to do with, 

651
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,160
you know, X-Men in the MCU. 
I think there's a lot of 

652
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,080
potential there. 
But sounds like we are in 

653
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:15,600
agreement though that Weapon X 
lies and DVD's is eliminated. 

654
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:23,440
So let's go on then to story #5 
and 6 danger.exe versus Strange 

655
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,040
Land Savage Heart. 
So starting off with danger EXE 

656
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:35,000
traumatic rewind, Cerebro goes 
all Skynet winner Polaris. 

657
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,640
It's that episode, the Polaris 
fighting danger, the sentient 

658
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,720
danger room versus Strange land,
Savage Heart, Creed's MAGA 

659
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:50,160
movement, a colossal kidnapping,
Curt for the defense. 

660
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:58,840
So for me, I think that Season 1
was at its strongest when it was

661
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,520
very allegorical, when there was
very strong metaphors. 

662
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,800
I think one of my favorite 
moments in Season 1 is a very, I

663
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,440
guess, relatively small moment, 
but it's when Jean Grey is 

664
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,240
giving birth and the doctor 
refuses to help her because 

665
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:15,960
she's a mutant. 
And it's just the barbarism of 

666
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,280
doctors refusing care to people 
in medical crisis. 

667
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,640
It's like they literally take an
oath, right, That you're not 

668
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,280
supposed to do that. 
And so I. 

669
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:32,320
But maybe not the mutants. 
I feel like season 2 shield away

670
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,600
like in comparison from the 
metaphors and from the allegory 

671
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,200
and from the real world 
connections. 

672
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,560
And so when Creed is up there 
saying I'm going to save you 

673
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,240
from this scary minority and 
only I can fix this country. 

674
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,360
Creed for president, right? 
Oh, it was it. 

675
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,920
Gave me chills. 
The worst kind of chills, but 

676
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,600
chills nonetheless. 
Worst kind of chills, but I was 

677
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,880
like, that should have been 
building up the whole season. 

678
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,720
Like I feel I feel like for it 
to be so important in the third 

679
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,720
act here, we needed to get more 
of that earlier. 

680
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,600
And I'm a I'm a Colossus fan. 
Colossus is actually my favorite

681
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,600
X man. 
I don't know if it's just I love

682
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,720
his gentle giant nature. 
I love playing him in the X-Men 

683
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:24,080
arcade. 
He had the coolest super attack.

684
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,440
So fun to play. 
I guess it's really a lot of 

685
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,680
gaming influences that make me 
love him so much. 

686
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,160
And were you as offended as I 
was that they kept 

687
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,720
mispronouncing his bloody name? 
Yes. 

688
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,800
Piotr. 
Yeah, but then. 

689
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,200
It is the Russian equivalent of 
Peter. 

690
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,360
It's like calling a Juan, John. 
It's not. 

691
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,600
I mean, but I get. 
I get what you do. 

692
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,360
Yeah, I get. 
You so I loved, I love him being

693
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,920
in there with the followers of 
Magneto. 

694
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,760
Magneto was kind of like a 
martyr now. 

695
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,160
And so, you know, they're 
carrying on the movement and 

696
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:04,320
they're, they're trying to, you 
know, they're trying to 

697
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,880
assassinate the guy. 
Like, they think that the world 

698
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,480
would be better without this 
really hateful leader drumming 

699
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,320
up paranoia and violence. 
And so then the plot line of 

700
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Nightcrawler has to, you know, 
come to his offense. 

701
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,800
They do like an actual trial. 
And I told Brian, my issue with 

702
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,640
this is that Nightcrawler's 
whole defense is, hey, is his 

703
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,160
name Graydon Creed? 
That's his name, right? 

704
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,960
Graydon grade and Creed is so 
hateful and literally tried to 

705
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,960
create a virus to kill all of 
mutant kind because he had 

706
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,760
really mean parents which I'm 
sorry that he went through that 

707
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,360
but that does not make him 
innocent of his crimes like bad 

708
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,520
defense Nightcrawler. 
I thought this episode had some 

709
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,440
holes. 
I don't know. 

710
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,560
What do you guys think? 
See, I think that's the most 

711
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,520
powerful message of the episode.
And I, I will, I will come right

712
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,680
out and say it. 
Savage heart, Savage line, 

713
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,360
favorite episode in the season, 
absolute favorite episode in the

714
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,200
season. 
Again, could have benefited from

715
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,320
another episode, but. 
Seasonal have been 2 parters. 

716
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,120
Yeah, no. 
Well, I mean, you know, they're 

717
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,200
cramming. 
They're cramming 26 episodes 

718
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,840
worth of content into 9. 
So, you know, and, and, but, but

719
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,240
I loved and I think the most, 
one of the most important 

720
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:27,040
takeaways from that episode is 
the fact that Nightcrawler is 

721
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:33,280
the one whose mind has changed. 
Nightcrawler realizes my high 

722
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:39,440
minded ideals are important, but
sometimes exceptions have to be 

723
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,760
made. 
He left him in the middle of the

724
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Antarctic wilderness. 
He didn't know that that X 

725
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,520
Factor was on their way. 
Yeah, he didn't know that. 

726
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,440
He didn't know that they'd ever 
even find him. 

727
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,160
He expected him to die. 
He dropped him in the middle of 

728
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,520
the Arctic and expected him to 
die. 

729
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,920
Well, Antarctic. 
I forget which pole the Savage 

730
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,800
Lands on. 
It's pole. 

731
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,560
Antarctic. 
Yeah, it is. 

732
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,320
OK. 
Yeah. 

733
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,480
So, yeah, he just. 
He just dropped him. 

734
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,400
It's like enjoy freezing to 
death. 

735
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,200
That is interesting. 
I, I took it as a Batman Begins.

736
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,880
Like, I'm not going to kill you,
but I don't have to say to you, 

737
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,600
you know what I mean? 
Because it is pretty like like 

738
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,880
you could, it is kind of a death
sentence. 

739
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,080
Well, I mean not it, it very 
well could be, but I I get what 

740
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,720
you mean. 
And if he died, you could charge

741
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,360
Kurt for murder if you 
deliberately drop someone in 

742
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,080
freezing cold and left them. 
I mean, great. 

743
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,160
And Creed's connections, I'm 
sure, like maybe, I don't know, 

744
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,680
maybe at a well, cell phone on 
him or something or. 

745
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,520
And I don't. 
Know I guess either way just in 

746
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,200
general and I'm glad I don't 
know if I agree with you. 

747
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,440
I mean I'm going to say I don't 
I don't agree necessarily with 

748
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,600
you Ryan that it's the best 
episode this season. 

749
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,720
But I'm glad you gave a strong 
endorsement of of strange land 

750
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,960
savage heart. 
It's it is my favorite of these 

751
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,120
two and if anything, in a huge 
part because of how much is 

752
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:16,840
showcases Nightcrawler and his 
and his such good heart to him. 

753
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,640
You know, especially just the 
ways that he talks about and 

754
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,520
considers Graydon, who has 
nothing but hate for somebody 

755
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,120
like Nightcrawler. 
His his family, because they are

756
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,440
literally family and the and, 
and and it doesn't even take 

757
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,320
blood. 
Like, I love the ways that he 

758
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,640
very much considers Rogue family
too. 

759
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,840
In that same vein, you know, 
even though they're they're 

760
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,400
they're adoptive siblings, 
right? 

761
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,320
Yeah. 
Because. 

762
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,000
Yeah, yeah. 
It's because Rogue was. 

763
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,480
Yeah, either. 
Rogue was Rogue was adopted by 

764
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,680
Mystique, yeah. 
Yes, yeah. 

765
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,040
So they're not blood siblings, 
even though Nightcrawler and 

766
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,160
Great and are are indeed blood 
siblings. 

767
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,560
But, you know, even though I do 
also agree with you, Jeremy, but

768
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,800
yeah, that he doesn't make the 
best defense especially. 

769
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,040
I mean, he he he makes a good 
point, but it doesn't absolve 

770
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,040
him of his crimes. 
But as I also pointed out to 

771
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,280
you, Jeremy, Nightcrawler is not
a lawyer. 

772
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,600
No. 
And ultimately, yeah. 

773
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,920
And ultimately it didn't even 
matter. 

774
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,600
And what kind of kangaroo 
courtesis? 

775
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,320
But. 
But I think in all the ways that

776
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:31,240
it's showcased Nightcrawler and 
and and how yeah, how how how 

777
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:36,200
all the all the ways that all 
the way, all the ways that it 

778
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:43,480
also really returned you to that
reality of of of what opinion, 

779
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,240
what the the human opinion too, 
and and the strife that that 

780
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:47,920
that they face. 
Something that I I agree, 

781
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,240
Jeremy, they didn't really touch
on that very much in this season

782
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,960
and could have used perhaps 
better building up. 

783
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,840
But yeah, all around, I think it
gives it like this whole 

784
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,440
storyline with Nightcrawler and 
this trial gives this episode a 

785
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,360
lot more heart. 
And that's not to that's not to 

786
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,360
put to mind because danger EXEI 
think is a a great episode, 

787
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,120
especially in that opening and 
and seeing, Oh my God, poor 

788
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:22,400
Charles constantly reliving this
torturous, traumatic event in 

789
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,200
his, in his head, just just just
trying to trying to work out 

790
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,560
what he could do differently. 
And then there being an 

791
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,640
unfortunate side effect 
constantly doing that with this 

792
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,200
danger room program. 
But but yeah, I got to give the 

793
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,160
strange man savage heart. 
Also. 

794
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,560
I mean, piggybacking off of what
you said Jeremy before about 

795
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,040
them. 
I know I talked about it a lot 

796
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,480
when we did our season 1 episode
about how, you know, I, I, I 

797
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,960
also grew up very much 
collecting the X-Men trading 

798
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,760
cards. 
A lot of my, even though I did 

799
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,280
read a lot of X-Men comics, most
of my exposure to this universe,

800
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,880
most of my knowledge of these 
characters and these storylines 

801
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,080
came from a combination of the 
X-Men anime series and the 

802
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,560
trading cards. 
I remember because I don't think

803
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,680
I ever read anything about 
Exodus, but I had his trading 

804
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,600
card. 
I had the story that all these 

805
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,400
storylines about him that that 
you know, turned me into, you 

806
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,280
know, the Leo pointing meme when
this episode started, Exodus and

807
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:21,720
he's got the things on it, you 
know? 

808
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,160
But he was a boss in X-Men 2 on 
the Genesis. 

809
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,480
Oh nice, so. 
Neat, yeah. 

810
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:31,960
But yeah, seeing an episode that
focused on him and, and, and, 

811
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,640
and the way that he was 
incorporated in the episode, I 

812
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,040
thought was really great. 
Yeah, all around. 

813
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,520
I got I got I got to give the 
strange man savage heart danger 

814
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,320
danger.exe is a is a great 
episode, But but I do got to say

815
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,720
at least, you know, the, the, 
the storyline of the danger room

816
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:55,000
becoming sentient and going, 
going, going Skynet felt a 

817
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,640
little a little hard to swallow 
a little. 

818
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,920
I mean, I don't know. 
It came off as a little cheesy 

819
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,960
to me, which of course the 
series can afford to be a little

820
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:06,960
cheesy. 
I think that's part of its 

821
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,960
charm, but maybe a little too 
much for my taste. 

822
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,080
Whereas Strange Land, Savage 
Heart, it got to me particularly

823
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:21,280
in seeing and seeing it focus on
Kurt Vulkner and his and his. 

824
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,000
He's such a he's his good heart 
especially, which adds so much 

825
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,760
weight to what eventually 
happens to him. 

826
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:27,760
So. 
We're going to get to that in a 

827
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,400
minute. 
We'll get to that. 

828
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,520
Yeah, and honestly, you know 
what it you know what it felt 

829
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,360
like to me, it felt like filler.
danger.exe felt like filler. 

830
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,240
It felt like they wanted to add 
one more episode. 

831
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,840
So I'm like, oh, I haven't 
talked about the school in a 

832
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:48,480
while. 
And, and so I, I hesitate almost

833
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,120
to talk about this because I 
don't want to sound again like 

834
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:59,560
an old man yelling at a cloud. 
But I know I've every now and 

835
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,640
then, like once every couple of 
episodes, there will be a moment

836
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:08,800
that will suck me out of it 
because of bad writing or bad 

837
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,360
animation or just like bad 
blending between like the 

838
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,280
animation stuff. 
Like I know they're going for 

839
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,400
something interesting here where
they're trying to blend hand 

840
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,160
drawn and digital animation, 
right? 

841
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,040
They're trying to recreate the 
old hand drawn style using 

842
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,640
digital animation. 
But there's like, like I even 

843
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,480
wrote it down between 1329 and 
1350. 

844
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,880
It is when Professor X is in the
backyard talking to Polaris 

845
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,920
while Morph and the kids are 
playing jump rope in the 

846
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,240
background. 
And there's this moment when 

847
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,040
Professor X begins to roll off 
screen. 

848
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,680
It looks like a pop up book. 
It looks like someone has a has 

849
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,720
the Professor X Sprite attached 
to a piece of rope and they're 

850
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,360
just pulling it off the screen. 
It was. 

851
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,320
It was so jarring. 
That's funny, I didn't even 

852
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,800
notice. 
I know. 

853
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,760
And I was actually, I remembered
from my first watch through that

854
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,920
there was a moment when Magneto 
and Charles were talking in 

855
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,680
episode 3 that Jarred me and I 
couldn't find it again. 

856
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,560
So I don't know, maybe I'm 
losing my mind. 

857
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,680
But. 
But then there's like weird 

858
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,640
little moments in the writing 
that bother me, like when 

859
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,960
Professor X is introducing the 
students to their headmistress. 

860
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,000
Hey, the X-Men are outlawed. 
Here's Storm. 

861
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,680
No, here is Aurora Monroe, your 
headmistress, who is not the 

862
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:41,040
mutant outlaw known as Storm. 
You know, or, or at the very 

863
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,360
end, when Apocalypse is the only
person in his lab, he's got his 

864
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,440
hand on the power stick and for 
no reason yells out more power 

865
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,280
before shoving it for it. 
Why? 

866
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,880
Why? 
It's you know, it's one of the 

867
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,440
worst insults say Genzy or can 
say cuz I teach so I hang out 

868
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,640
with Genzy all the time. 
Or maybe it's Gen. alpha now. 

869
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,280
Actually might be. 
Gen. alpha now, yeah. 

870
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,040
Yeah, so you don't wanna be 
called cornball and this season.

871
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,600
I think all. 
Okay, was very cornball. 

872
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,800
I do just wanna say though, 
because you guys are all 

873
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,640
slandering Danger EXE left and 
right. 

874
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,640
I really loved Polaris as a new 
character. 

875
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,400
I don't know what it is about 
her that I just I could not take

876
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,200
my my eyes off the screen. 
Maybe it's the green lipstick, I

877
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,160
don't know. 
But I thought she was, was, was 

878
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,040
really cool. 
I love her as this sort of, you 

879
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,240
know, descendant of Magneto and 
kind of trying to find her place

880
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,160
in the comics. 
Danger is a very interesting 

881
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,400
villain because it doesn't just 
become a Terminator robot. 

882
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,640
It starts to kill students in 
the simulations and it's very 

883
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,560
unnerving and it's like it. 
First of all, it makes you 

884
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:58,680
realize how insane Xavier is to 
have this hyper torture chamber.

885
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,320
You know that they train 
students in. 

886
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,480
It's insane. 
It's too far. 

887
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:11,800
And I, I, I wish, I wish that 
this season had more flavor to 

888
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,160
each episodes. 
I wish that strange land savage 

889
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,920
heart fell more like a this is a
courtroom episode. 

890
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,160
And maybe we don't need to have 
a big sword fight. 

891
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,240
Maybe it's purely like a legal 
drama. 

892
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:23,320
I don't know. 
Like you said, it's kind of a 

893
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,880
kangaroo court. 
That could be a little silly. 

894
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,200
But I wish danger.exe had been 
less anime fight scene against 

895
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,200
Danger and more of like a horror
thing of like what's wrong in 

896
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,760
the mansion. 
And then you could have found 

897
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,920
out that, you know, the program 
getting corrupted by Charles's 

898
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,920
trauma is now bleeding his 
trauma out onto everybody. 

899
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,280
That that that could be a really
neat story. 

900
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,480
And instead they kind of went 
with anime fight scene. 

901
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,000
But I did love the anime fight 
scene. 

902
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,400
Polaris and Bishop taking on 
Danger I thought was an all 

903
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,360
timer fight in the show. 
I do want to add, I feel like 

904
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,920
danger.exe wasn't, was, in my 
humble opinion, the episode that

905
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,200
probably could have benefited 
most from being maybe A2 parter 

906
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,560
because that way you could also 
slowly build up rather than 

907
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,360
really kind of quickly leap to 
that to to establishing the 

908
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,160
danger as as as a villain, much 
like you said, Jeremy, with sort

909
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,760
of the incorporating some of 
that. 

910
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,400
I mean, I mean, like, I mean, 
it's a trope for a reason. 

911
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,680
I I, it reminded me a lot of 
Star Trek Next Gen. with some of

912
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,640
the some of the, the, the 
problems that rise arise from 

913
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,200
the, the hollow deck and the, 
and the, and the literal 

914
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,440
sentience that it has, you know,
but but yeah, I feel like that 

915
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,920
could have made dangerous 
development a little bit more 

916
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:51,080
palatable to, to me at least. 
And, and if anything, yeah. 

917
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:56,280
I, I got to give it to, I got 
to, I got to give it to how well

918
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:03,000
it showcases Polaris's 
character, which maybe, maybe 

919
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,160
would have, might have been nice
to sort of if, if, if it was a 2

920
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,640
parter to kind of focus 1 
episode a little bit more on 

921
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,000
Xavier and the torture that he, 
that he feels in the, in the 

922
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,600
wake of losing his friend and, 
and, and how that inadvertently 

923
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,800
sets up danger. 
And then do a second parter that

924
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,200
focuses on Polaris. 
But but all around, yeah. 

925
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,360
I mean, I I don't mean to papoo 
danger that much. 

926
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,400
I think it's I think it's a 
great storyline that could have 

927
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,680
been benefit benefited from a 
little bit better set up. 

928
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,840
But yeah, still, I got to give 
it a strange land, a savage 

929
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,240
heart. 
And I, and I will also say I 

930
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:37,160
love Polaris. 
I absolutely love Polaris as a 

931
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,000
character. 
I thought her chemistry with 

932
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,640
Bishop in Strange Heart, Savage 
Land was fantastic, was 

933
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,520
fantastic. 
I'm like, oh yay, another 

934
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:49,120
couple. 
I love how horny X-Men is as a 

935
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,800
series. 
Everyone. 

936
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,320
Everyone's always flirting with 
somebody and coupling up and 

937
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,760
shipping each other. 
They're also damn hot, so I 

938
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,600
mean, can you blame them? 
Yeah, yeah. 

939
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,720
All right, so that eliminates 
danger.exe, so let's go to the 

940
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:08,880
final round of the preliminary. 
Let's go to the final round of 

941
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:15,920
the preliminary bracket. 
Story 7 versus Story 8, Dead 

942
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:22,480
Man's Hand, kinetic Tarot, Rogue
and Remy reunite but his mind is

943
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,160
doomed. 
Versus the final story, Survival

944
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,200
of the fittest. 
Rogue offers it all, but the big

945
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,000
bad is stopped by Wagner's 
martyrdom. 

946
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:43,280
I overall like this season. 
I don't know if they landed the 

947
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:50,120
plane with how it all ends. 
I for one love Gampocalypse. 

948
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,160
I think that that is visually a 
very cool villain. 

949
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:00,280
I love the kinetic tarot cards 
instead of playing cards. 

950
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,720
I loved that they are kind of 
like, what's it called? 

951
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,120
Dark sides? 
Omega Beam? 

952
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,600
Is that what it's called? 
Brian Eyeballs how it kind of 

953
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,120
just tracks the targets. 
These cards are like homing 

954
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,400
weapons, and you're kind of just
running away from them and they 

955
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,640
hit you. 
They essentially turn you into a

956
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,880
Horseman of the Apocalypse. 
I thought all that was really 

957
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,400
neat. 
I really choked up at the 

958
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,560
reunion of Rogue and Remy. 
I thought that that felt very 

959
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:29,960
earned. 
I was very upset in Season 1 

960
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,600
when Rogue was fooling around 
with Magneto and breaking my boy

961
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:38,200
Gambit's heart, so I love that 
he got to be chosen. 

962
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:49,040
That's all cool. 
But I don't know that the finale

963
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,080
really has the logical arc that 
it should. 

964
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:59,120
And by that what I mean is that 
in the finale, essentially, they

965
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,600
can stop Apocalypse, but Remy 
has to die, right? 

966
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,920
Gambit has to be dead in this 
time for good. 

967
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,520
And so Rogue offers, OK, give me
the power of the celestial, make

968
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,920
me Super Saiyan and then I'll 
die. 

969
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,640
The celestials can take my life 
as a sacrifice. 

970
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,200
And they go, all sounds good and
she becomes Super Saiyan, but 

971
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,280
she never gets a Super Saiyan 
fight scene. 

972
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,080
She never does anything cool 
with the celestial powers. 

973
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,280
She just flies up and touches 
Gam Pocalypse's face. 

974
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,640
And I get that's how you kill 
him, right? 

975
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,840
You're sucking Apocalypse out. 
I understand that. 

976
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:31,640
And. 
That's all you need. 

977
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:43,280
One is all you need, Brian. 
But the absolute gut punch of 

978
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,000
Rogue having defeated Apocalypse
and she's and she's waiting to 

979
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,280
die and she's holding Remy her 
love and she realizes I'm not 

980
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,240
dying. 
And then Beast lands and he has 

981
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:04,040
Kurt's Bible and you just know, 
Oh my God Kurt did he. 

982
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,560
He's the Christ figure. 
He sacrificed himself so that 

983
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:13,520
all his loved ones can live on. 
Amazing moment. 

984
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,920
I even love that Kurt's 
sacrifice was peaceful and off 

985
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,640
screen. 
It wasn't some nightmare 

986
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,000
traumatic thing. 
I love what he's saying to the 

987
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,280
celestial saying, hey, I'm OK 
with this being the end of the 

988
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,880
road because someone else is 
going to live on. 

989
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,280
My mom did a very similar thing 
at the end of her life. 

990
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,080
She denied a lung transplant 
because she was like, I'm old 

991
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,240
enough, I don't need more time, 
give it to somebody younger than

992
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,160
me. 
And so my mom chose death. 

993
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,760
And it was one of the most brave
things I've ever seen. 

994
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,600
So to see Kurt do that and was 
like, perfect for the character,

995
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,040
perfect moment. 
I wish the rest of the season 

996
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,400
was as good as that moment that 
was that was the that was. 

997
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,000
The X-Men season 2 moment for me
is realizing Kurt's sacrifice so

998
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,680
for sticking the landing that 
much on the conclusion of 

999
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,960
Nightcrawlers character arc. 
And who would have guessed we 

1000
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,480
would have gotten such a good 
Nightcrawler arc in season 2? 

1001
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,840
Like what a wonderful surprise 
that was. 

1002
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,800
I have to say I like that better
than all the Remy and undead 

1003
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,360
Gambit stuff. 
So I'm going to give this one to

1004
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,760
the finale. 
Ryan, what about you? 

1005
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,600
So I I have to disagree. 
Well, OK, I I disagree and agree

1006
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,880
with your assessment of so gam 
pocalypse. 

1007
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,160
That look is great. 
I love the impishness in the 

1008
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,400
smile on the close-ups. 
The Joker. 

1009
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,480
Apopka Gambit looks awful. 
Oh my God, that's one of the 

1010
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,240
worst designs. 
He's just, he's not he doesn't 

1011
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,800
have, he doesn't have 
apocalypses bulk so he just 

1012
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,920
looks like a bean pole and it's 
just it's even. 

1013
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,960
And listen, I am playing back 
through Eldon Ring right now and

1014
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,200
I am using a scythe as my 
primary weapon. 

1015
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,800
And even with that, even with 
the giant purple energy scythe, 

1016
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,000
I still couldn't get behind that
to sign. 

1017
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,240
It was just, it's so goofy 
looking. 

1018
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,760
I loved it all. 
I know it's getting trashed to 

1019
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,240
me. 
I want that action figure. 

1020
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,360
But so I so this is a tough one 
for me. 

1021
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,320
I, I, I rated both of these very
highly. 

1022
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,720
Like the last three episodes of 
the season I thought were the 

1023
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,880
strongest 3 episodes in the 
entire season. 

1024
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,000
Like both of them had great 
moments. 

1025
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:37,360
The first person Nightcrawler 
fight scene in episode 8 was I 

1026
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,040
mean goofy but inspired. 
Absolutely love it. 

1027
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,920
The just the one line from 
Wolverine in the final episode. 

1028
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,560
Nice try lady, but these brains 
have already been scrambled. 

1029
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,000
It's like beautiful love it, you
know, just these wonderful 

1030
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,760
little moments for the end of 
the season. 

1031
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,920
The, the, the, the big, the big 
thing. 

1032
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:04,160
The tough part I had for the 
finale is that most of it hinges

1033
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:09,040
on the idea of this celestial 
being swayed by love, 

1034
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:15,200
essentially, which works well 
enough in a vacuum. 

1035
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:23,560
But you have to remember the 
planet Earth is Tilmut's egg, 

1036
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,720
right? 
Yeah, we're an egg for another 

1037
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,760
celestial. 
The reason he creates apocalypse

1038
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,000
it remember, he says just from 
destruction comes new life. 

1039
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,400
Essentially. 
He's not talking about 

1040
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,360
civilizations dying and new 
civilizations taking their 

1041
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,880
place, he's talking about 
getting enough humans to kill 

1042
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,880
themselves to birth a new 
celestial. 

1043
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,880
Why does he care who loves who? 
The goal is genocide. 

1044
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,560
The goal is repeated genocide I.
Didn't think so. 

1045
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,080
You're saying Erisham the was it
Airsham? 

1046
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,360
Yeah, it's Airsham. 
The one I forget? 

1047
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,400
Earth. 
They all look just identical 

1048
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:00,680
enough for me to never bother 
learning. 

1049
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,400
There well, because this one 
that you meet here is a Essen I 

1050
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,560
believe, right. 
But RHM is the one that, yeah, 

1051
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,040
that the that the Eternals deal 
with. 

1052
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,080
And then, you know, regarding TM
growing out of Earth. 

1053
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,200
OK, yeah, it's so funny. 
It didn't occur to me that this 

1054
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:24,280
is the same Earth in the MCUII, 
but it stands to reason. 

1055
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,880
Yeah, I don't know if it's the 
same Earth necessarily. 

1056
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,040
But yeah, I don't, I don't think
it's the same, but I mean, 

1057
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,200
presumably the same. 
Yeah, I don't. 

1058
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,560
Yeah, I think it's reasonable to
assume that in most universes at

1059
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,920
least, it is still the reason 
why Earth exists. 

1060
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,320
And yeah, yeah, exactly, 
exactly. 

1061
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,800
But yes, I have to agree with 
you that Kurt's final sacrifice 

1062
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,920
is amazing. 
It's a beautiful moment and it 

1063
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,640
is. 
It also serves as a refutation 

1064
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,560
of who he was at the end of 
episode 7 where he's like, no, 

1065
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,840
great. 
Not only did Kurt fail to to 

1066
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,160
convince himself or Psych or 
Colossus, he failed to convince 

1067
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,400
himself and he decided great and
Creed needs to die and left him 

1068
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,600
in the Arctic wilderness. 
But at the end of episode of the

1069
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,400
final episode, he's like, OK, I 
had my dark moment. 

1070
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,720
I did. 
I did a terrible thing that I 

1071
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,920
felt needed to happen. 
And now I have a chance to 

1072
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,960
properly live, you know, my 
morals and sacrifice myself for 

1073
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,200
a friend. 
So I felt it was a good sort of 

1074
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:34,560
returning to the Kirk that 
existed before Savage Heart. 

1075
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:35,920
Strange Land. 
Yeah. 

1076
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,440
Yeah. 
I also think though, that the 

1077
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,880
finale itself, as much as that 
final moment hits, I think that 

1078
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,640
Season 2 suffers from too many 
characters. 

1079
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,640
X Force, X Factor, X Core, all 
these different teams, 

1080
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,040
characters, don't really, a lot 
of them get just little moments.

1081
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,960
I felt like Beast got pretty 
shortchanged this season. 

1082
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,400
Storm got pretty, I mean, and I 
guess they've got more focus in 

1083
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,120
Season 1 and maybe we'll just do
that. 

1084
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,080
Maybe we'll take turns every 
other season focusing on 

1085
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,640
different characters. 
But what did you guys think of 

1086
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,560
Cable kind of becoming an 
antagonist and having to fight 

1087
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,440
his parents because he's so dead
set on killing Gambit, but 

1088
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,600
they're willing to risk the 
entire planet to save one life. 

1089
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,240
Did that hit for you? 
Because to me, I didn't really, 

1090
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,440
I don't know. 
I didn't feel like Scott and 

1091
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,880
Jean, they weren't acting like 
they were fighting their son, 

1092
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,240
that they missed so much. 
There, there. 

1093
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,760
There's something emotional 
resonance I don't think was 

1094
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,760
really there in that particular 
conflict. 

1095
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,840
And do you get what I'm saying? 
No, I I get you. 

1096
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,200
Yeah, and I agree it it the the 
stakes were not being properly 

1097
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,720
exploited. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1098
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:53,320
Yeah. 
That's yeah. 

1099
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,720
Well, on a very general level, I
think like cuz I, I really love 

1100
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:01,080
seeing that, that seeing him go 
at odds with his parents. 

1101
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,360
I mean, it led to some fun 
moments and especially in that 

1102
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,320
finale where he's just like, 
have you met my parents? 

1103
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:10,000
Like, you know, like, but it's a
some, yeah, in a very general 

1104
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,160
sense. 
And this might go to when we 

1105
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,000
eventually there are later 
discussions about these seasons.

1106
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:20,040
In general, this season feels 
like it could have afforded more

1107
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,440
episodes, afforded more setup 
for a lot of this, including 

1108
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,960
including that with cable. 
But but to piggyback off of kind

1109
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,720
of what Ryan has pointed out, 
like, yeah, I feel like the real

1110
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,640
strength of this last few 
episode arc is, you know, and 

1111
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:42,960
obviously it was to plan to set 
up his sacrifice is, is 

1112
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,280
everything you get with 
Nightcrawler. 

1113
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,520
And, and I, and I personally 
also had a lot of difficulty 

1114
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,720
sort of deciding between these 
last couple of episodes. 

1115
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:55,400
I think it's I think it's the 
it's the closest match of the of

1116
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,440
the preliminary bracket so far. 
But and in huge ways like yeah, 

1117
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,720
thank you, Ryan for giving that 
shout out to that to that 

1118
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,040
Nightcrawler sequence in that in
the eighth episode because it's 

1119
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,280
it's so beautiful and it makes 
it and it makes you all the more

1120
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,400
sad that we're losing 
Nightcrawler now because it's 

1121
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,280
just the potential that you 
could do with some of his 

1122
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,480
sequences. 
It, it also reminded me right 

1123
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:19,440
back to, you know, I think most 
sex most X-Men Movie fans 

1124
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,720
favorite sequence in all the 
movies, that opening sequence of

1125
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,560
X-Men 2 of just just 
Nightcrawler alone taking on 

1126
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:33,240
tons of Secret Service, you 
know, but yeah, it's it's that 

1127
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:37,760
that pay off of of that gut 
punch of that ending and that 

1128
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,800
sacrifice and how well it's 
it's, you know, set up and 

1129
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:46,200
thankfully not. 
I hope that, I mean, not that it

1130
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,480
would necessarily be a problem, 
but I don't think, I don't know 

1131
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,440
if any of you guys anticipated 
that that was going to happen 

1132
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,160
because I didn't feel it until 
that until that moment when you 

1133
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:59,040
see Beast holding his Bible like
I'm, I'm not. 

1134
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,320
I don't think that necessarily 
would have been a problem to, to

1135
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,040
if if we'd seen it coming, but I
I'm glad it did. 

1136
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,880
They didn't project that too 
much with how much they kind of 

1137
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,560
showcase Nightcrawler more in 
these last, you know, few 

1138
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:18,080
episodes. 
And it just feels like it feels 

1139
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:22,400
like the perfect kind of 
emotional payoff to to the way 

1140
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,600
that strange land Savage heart 
focuses on him and head out and 

1141
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,600
and the goodness incurred and 
the attachment he has to his 

1142
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,720
family and and in this case, 
Rogue. 

1143
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:42,360
Yeah, it's that that pay off. 
I feel like give gives the edge 

1144
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:48,240
to the finale. 
The finale I think it was a it 

1145
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,360
was if not for this whole 
season. 

1146
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,800
It was a perfect little ending 
to this arc with Nightcrawler of

1147
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:59,040
these last three or so episodes.
Yeah, I think it's actually set 

1148
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:03,320
up perfectly because after Rogue
accepts the fact that she's 

1149
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,240
taking a deal with the devil and
she's gonna, she's gonna die 

1150
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,880
after she does what she has to 
do. 

1151
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,960
Yeah. 
The, the shot, the scene lingers

1152
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,520
on Nightcrawler for a moment and
you see him like looking into 

1153
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,600
that gateway and you know he's 
thinking something, but you 

1154
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,560
don't know what it is. 
And then, you know, the finale's

1155
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,040
so exciting later that you kind 
of forget about that moment 

1156
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,720
until you realize that was him 
choosing death, right? 

1157
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,720
And, but it's, but I love that 
moment because then you realize,

1158
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,600
oh, this has been a Nightcrawler
season. 

1159
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,080
You had the amazing Nightcrawler
fight scene. 

1160
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,160
We had the, the, the whole trial
thing. 

1161
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,560
It's, it's been his arc for much
of this. 

1162
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,479
And that's that's what I think, 
that's why I think it's the best

1163
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,680
written moment in this season is
that they were laying seeds you 

1164
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,720
didn't even really realize were 
there. 

1165
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,319
And then, you know, it has to be
said, he's a devout Christian. 

1166
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,760
And you know, the most beautiful
and noble thing in that faith is

1167
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,240
sacrifice, right? 
And so his sacrifice, it's just 

1168
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,960
it's perfect for his character. 
It's literally perfect. 

1169
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:03,720
Here's my prediction. 
Here's my prediction. 

1170
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,600
I don't know if we're done 
seeing Nightcrawler, and I know 

1171
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,920
that would be weird because 
we've done the characters coming

1172
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:15,080
back, but I was also very 
shocked that Magic was killed 

1173
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,920
off screen. 
Yeah, because Magic is a fan 

1174
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,960
favorite. 
But do you guys know the 

1175
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:26,080
dimension that she and 
Nightcrawler sort of share? 

1176
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,160
I didn't know they shared it, 
that's interesting. 

1177
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:34,200
In a lot of the versions of the 
lore, magic can open a gateway 

1178
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:38,479
to Limbo, and that is the realm 
that Nightcrawler is teleporting

1179
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,000
through when he does his little 
poof poof. 

1180
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,560
That's why it smells. 
It smells like brimstone. 

1181
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,600
So I'm like, I could totally see
them doing a Limbo episode, an 

1182
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,000
Afterlife episode, maybe even 
get some moonlight characters in

1183
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:51,840
there. 
That'd be pretty. 

1184
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,000
Cool. 
That would be really cool. 

1185
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,800
I mean, on the flip side, like 
I, I'm glad that this the the 

1186
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,600
stakes of X-Men 97 have felt so 
high. 

1187
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,960
And there was some small part of
me that was a little 

1188
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,520
disappointed to see Gambit 
return for that reason. 

1189
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:11,720
But the same time it was at a 
cost and losing Kurt is such a 

1190
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,280
blow. 
Well, I might well. 

1191
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,400
I am so grateful to see Gambit 
and Rogue back together, 

1192
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:22,560
especially after the I betrayed.
I also felt with her, with her 

1193
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,600
and Magneto in season 1. 
Yeah, but long hair magneto's so

1194
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,080
hot. 
Come on, Look, I. 

1195
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,560
I gotta get it, but I'm glad 
that they didn't just bring him 

1196
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,160
back. 
They they reforged the two of 

1197
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:39,160
them and and and something like 
that shouldn't cut, especially 

1198
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:43,480
with with with the emotional gut
punch of of his of his death in 

1199
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:46,560
season 1. 
You know, I feel like they 

1200
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,920
should come at a cost. 
And as much as I hate that that 

1201
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:53,200
would mean, you know, Kirk 
losing Kirk, you know, 

1202
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:59,080
permanently, I feel like that's 
the best way to sort of, well, I

1203
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,760
mean, but never say never. 
I mean, because I'm open to them

1204
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,120
doing a storyline exactly like 
the way Jeremy, you mentioned 

1205
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,720
that if they do something with 
Ileana as well, that that ties 

1206
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,480
to to to that dimension, I think
that could be really cool. 

1207
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:17,760
But and. 
Yeah, and you could tie in the 

1208
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,240
gene clone, the Goblin Queen 
who's out there somewhere. 

1209
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,120
She deals with, you know, other 
realms and, you know, zombies 

1210
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,560
and stuff like that. 
So I, I could hopefully my dream

1211
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,000
is we see like a limbo episode 
where we see some of these 

1212
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,160
characters and they don't 
necessarily all come back, but 

1213
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,440
it'd be neat to see where they 
ended up. 

1214
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,320
And don't forget about 
Nightcrawler's daddy Azazel. 

1215
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,960
That's right on him, yeah. 
That's true. 

1216
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,280
That's true. 
Him and Mephiston into the 

1217
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,040
thing. 
And cuz I presume his power also

1218
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:50,320
is tied in that same way because
he's also a teleporter I think. 

1219
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:54,400
Zazel's an actual demon. 
I think that might be true as 

1220
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:55,240
well, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1221
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,640
Like like Mephiston style demon.
Right in the way in the way that

1222
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,640
Juggernaut's powers are 
technically magical. 

1223
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,720
I think that it got in there 
somewhere, so. 

1224
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,160
I guess in a quick note, in a 
very general way, I just, I'm 

1225
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:13,360
reluctant to see characters come
back because at the same time, 

1226
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:18,120
it can it can retroactively make
losses like these don't have 

1227
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,920
this, you know, the same 
narrative impact. 

1228
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,480
And, and but, you know, at the 
same time, we're dealing with 

1229
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:25,120
comic book universes where we 
know they're they're, you know, 

1230
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,480
they have a strong reputation 
for never killing off 

1231
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:31,720
characters. 
But at the same time, yeah, 

1232
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,040
that's the only reason why I, I 
want, I want these these losses 

1233
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:39,760
to to to feel, to feel like they
have way to feel permanent. 

1234
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:45,520
So yeah, we'll see. 
I mean for like on that note, I 

1235
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:48,760
kind of feel like Magneto should
stay dead. 

1236
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:55,000
I think especially being, well, 
I don't know, I don't know. 

1237
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,040
I mean, I was about to say like 
especially being the gut punch 

1238
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,200
of the season, but no, I mean 
Nightcrawler is very much that 

1239
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:02,600
too. 
So they already. 

1240
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,760
Did a Magneto death fake out in 
season 1 when he and Gambit we 

1241
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,600
think they're both killed? 
Right, right. 

1242
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:09,440
Yeah. 
But you can't. 

1243
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:10,520
You can't do that. 
You can't do that. 

1244
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,520
Twice with the same character? 
Nah, yeah. 

1245
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,640
Yeah, yeah. 
But that which my God, that that

1246
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,520
will not stay dead. 
Which can Eternal sell new 

1247
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,520
crossover books? 
There you go. 

1248
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,720
But regardless though, it sounds
like we are in agreement. 

1249
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,720
The season finale wins out over 
Dead Man's Hand. 

1250
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,720
So then let's go on to our 
bronze placements. 

1251
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:38,200
We're going to pit the two 
surviving episodes from the 

1252
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,840
first bracket. 
So a, a a force to be reckoned 

1253
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,680
with versus Rise of Apocalypse. 
Let's wrap this up by saying 

1254
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,040
which one had the best moment of
the two. 

1255
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,360
I think I got to go with rise of
Apocalypse. 

1256
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,840
I think Magneto dying at the 
hands of Apocalypse was so 

1257
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:59,200
brutal and it felt like such a 
gut punch moment. 

1258
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:03,680
I think that that edges out and 
also I love the Apocalypse back 

1259
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,480
story and the ancient Egypt 
stuff and king in there. 

1260
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,480
I think there's so much good 
stuff in Rise of Apocalypse. 

1261
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:11,520
I think that takes the bronze in
this one. 

1262
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,360
Would you guys agree? 
Absolutely, 100%. 

1263
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,360
Yeah, absolutely. 
Here too all. 

1264
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:20,320
Right. 
But and then I think a force to 

1265
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,640
be reckoned with. 
I think the best moment was that

1266
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,120
intro, that custom intro, so 
freaking sick. 

1267
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,000
And I don't even read that 
through and I don't even made 

1268
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,280
sarcastic like it was that good.
And then I mean, if anything, 

1269
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,640
it's a little bit of a knock to 
the episode on some level 2 of 

1270
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:37,280
just like the standout thing was
the opening credits, which isn't

1271
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,640
anything to do with plot, you 
know, but I'm doing with. 

1272
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,840
The slight downshift of the 
theme too, or the down pitch of 

1273
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,240
the theme is like, oh, it's the 
X-Men but more dangerous. 

1274
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,240
The bad boy version. 
So then I don't know how this 

1275
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,040
one's going to go because it's 
Strange Land. 

1276
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,520
Savage Heart versus Survival of 
the Fittest. 

1277
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,560
I would go with the finale on 
this one. 

1278
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:03,920
I think the Strangeline Savage 
heart, it was not my favorite of

1279
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,920
the season. 
I think that the Nightcrawler 

1280
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:13,200
sacrifice beats out the 
courtroom drama one, but it's 

1281
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,120
Ryan's favorite, so I think that
means it's up to Brian, right? 

1282
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,320
Isn't he going to be the 
tiebreaker? 

1283
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,760
I've tipped my hand. 
I mean, I, I hate to be paid to 

1284
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,960
be the deciding factor in this 
way, but but I'm also, you know,

1285
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,800
yeah, I, I, I'm with you, 
Jeremy. 

1286
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,240
I got to give it to that finale.
But I'm also really grateful, 

1287
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,640
Ryan, that you gave such a 
strong shout out to Strange Land

1288
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:39,000
and Savage Heart because it's, I
think it's AI think it deserves 

1289
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,920
a lot of credit for being one of
the strongest episodes this 

1290
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:48,400
season. 
And in a huge way, part of why 

1291
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,840
Survival the Fittest works so 
well is because of the setup of 

1292
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:58,720
Strange Land and Savage Heart. 
But if I have to choose, I'm I'm

1293
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,920
with you, Jeremy. 
It's it's it's the payoff that 

1294
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,880
feels, I mean, it wouldn't be 
possible without Strange than 

1295
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,720
Savage Heart, but you know, but 
it's that payoff that that gives

1296
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,400
a lot more emotional resonance 
to me between the two. 

1297
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,600
That's entirely fair. 
I mean IA, part of it for me is 

1298
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,400
just I love any narrative where 
I like. 

1299
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,160
I find radicalization narratives
very entertaining personally. 

1300
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:30,120
I like watching characters who 
have those high minded ideals 

1301
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,680
finally get to the point where 
they're like Nope Nope I'm done,

1302
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:38,080
I'm done and you're done. 
So you liked in season 1 Bright 

1303
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,640
Eyes when Rogue just dropped 
trash for creating the 

1304
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,520
Sentinels? 
Or or in the Superman movie when

1305
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,720
Hawk Girl just tosses the 
dictator. 

1306
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,880
Oh yeah. 
Yeah, I love those moments. 

1307
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:53,480
Because I'm not Superman. 
Well, so that brings us then to 

1308
01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:55,000
the finale. 
This is it guys. 

1309
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,360
We have done single elimination 
bracket to narrow it down to 

1310
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:02,040
what will become the best 
episode of season 2 according to

1311
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,000
the old Switcheroo X elimination
bracket. 

1312
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:09,600
Rise of Apocalypse or Survival 
of the Fittest. 

1313
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:13,400
This is tough for me. 
This is very, very tough. 

1314
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,400
I want to say that just because 
I think all of the ex teams 

1315
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,720
fighting each other in the 
finale, I felt like that was a 

1316
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,720
bit cluttered. 
It was a bit just it's smacked 

1317
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:31,160
of like I'm throwing my action 
figures together and there's fun

1318
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,120
moments with that. 
There's more turning into Doc 

1319
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:34,440
Ock. 
There's Psylocke versus 

1320
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:37,320
Wolverine, there's the Summers 
versus the Summers. 

1321
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,640
There's fun moments, but I felt 
like Rise of Apocalypse was a 

1322
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:47,160
cleaner storyline because you 
have I think, what was some of 

1323
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,080
the most compelling plot of 
Magnus and Charles being that 

1324
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:55,240
role reversal. 
And Magneto is now the one 

1325
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:58,600
trying to redeem the lost souls.
And Charles is the one being 

1326
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,760
like, dude, this isn't safe 
because we got to look out for 

1327
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,360
our own. 
And then of course, the absolute

1328
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:09,160
gut punch of Apocalypse just 
vaporizing Magneto in front of 

1329
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,760
Charles and then leaving him 
there to die in the desert. 

1330
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,480
I give it to Rise of Apocalypse.
Ryan. 

1331
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,240
Ryan with an R. 
They both have Rs. 

1332
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,760
What do you say? 
Which one's better in your mind?

1333
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:25,560
You know, I was gonna go with 
survival of the fittest, but you

1334
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,120
make a damn good case. 
Got you. 

1335
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,160
I got you. 
Make a damn good case Rise of 

1336
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:35,920
Apocalypse I I gotta go. 
I, you know, because I I I don't

1337
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:40,640
know these are both. 
I mean like I've said, my 2 best

1338
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:46,560
were Savage Heart, Strange Land,
and Dead Man's Hand. 

1339
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,200
Those are my 2 favorites from 
the season. 

1340
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:53,560
I you know, Rise of Apocalypse, 
Survival of the Fittest is 

1341
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,480
definitely up there. 
Rise of Apocalypse, those are 

1342
01:18:55,480 --> 01:19:01,200
all kind of in the same area for
me originally, because I 

1343
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,240
actually did I I ordered, I 
ranked them at the end when I 

1344
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:11,000
was done and originally survival
of the first was higher than 

1345
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,240
Rise of Apocalypse. 
But honestly, you make a very, 

1346
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:18,080
very solid, solid point The. 
The. 

1347
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:23,880
Importance of the moment with 
Charles and Apocalypse and 

1348
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,520
Magneto is really, really 
significant. 

1349
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:36,120
You've got the amazing visuals 
of the the amazing visuals of 

1350
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:42,520
ship putting a black hole above 
the above the the city. 

1351
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:47,760
I mean that scene is gorgeous, 
just absolutely gorgeous, though

1352
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,440
it there is one small problem 
with it for me. 

1353
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:57,960
OK, and this goes back to my 
comics, my comic reading because

1354
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:02,040
at the end in X-Men Omega in the
book that ended the Age of 

1355
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:06,520
Apocalypse saga. 
It is Magneto who kills 

1356
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,400
Apocalypse. 
Yeah, he rips him in half, 

1357
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,640
right? 
Just straight down the middle. 

1358
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:17,960
And, and it just feels like it's
like seeing him go out, seeing 

1359
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,840
the roles reversed and seeing 
him go out like that, you know, 

1360
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:25,280
as badly injured as he was. 
It just felt a little like, I 

1361
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,560
feel like we could have done 
more with the Age of Apocalypse 

1362
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:32,600
setting and that kind of thing. 
But like I said, I I do, I have 

1363
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,840
had my mind changed and I will 
agree with you that I think Age 

1364
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,320
of Apocalypse is going to take 
this one well. 

1365
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:42,240
What a surprise someone. 
Yeah, so now we know what it 

1366
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,480
was. 
Jeremy just affected Ryan's mind

1367
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,600
there. 
Well, Brian, you were all 

1368
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,200
stressed about being in charge 
of the bronze placement, but it 

1369
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,240
doesn't matter what you say now.
It doesn't really matter, yeah. 

1370
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,960
But are you in agreement Rise of
Apocalypse is ultimately the 

1371
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:59,000
best episode of the season? 
It's funny you guys, I feel like

1372
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:03,600
my opinion on this has changed 
and on this particular bracket 

1373
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:09,080
has changed several times over 
this last few minutes because my

1374
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:13,040
knee jerk reaction, my knee jerk
is it was initially to Rise of 

1375
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:17,360
Apocalypse and then when I 
realized, I heard Ryan's Ryan 

1376
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,680
chime in as well and realized, 
oh, it doesn't even matter. 

1377
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:26,200
Some part of my mind right away 
thought like maybe I got to give

1378
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,520
it to Survival the Fittest, if 
at least to give it a shout out 

1379
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,400
for how well it wrapped 
Nightcrawler storyline. 

1380
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,160
But I'm actually going to go 
back to a little my knee jerk 

1381
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:43,400
feeling because I think it also,
and this is not because of the 

1382
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:50,920
Xavier's influence over there. 
No, I think in a lot of ways, as

1383
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,840
as I've said multiple times 
tonight, and and I feel like you

1384
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,640
guys might agree, like a lot of 
these storylines I feel like 

1385
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,280
could have afforded afforded to 
have a little bit more breathing

1386
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,760
room to be set up. 
And and they they clearly made 

1387
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,600
the right choice to to give rise
of apocalypse A2 parter in this 

1388
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,640
it it gives a lot of breathing 
room to to to establish such a 

1389
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,760
such an important part of the 
storyline. 

1390
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:23,360
I mean, even as we said before 
when we were talking about rise 

1391
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,040
apocalypse in the initial 
bracket, it could have even it 

1392
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,680
could have even benefited from 
more even more set up for 

1393
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,600
Ensavandar and endearing you to 
him. 

1394
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,600
But but ultimately doing this 
two parter to really showcase 

1395
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,760
this character in this time 
period. 

1396
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,360
It it it's the real stand out, I
feel like, of this season and 

1397
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:48,080
without feeling without feeling 
too muddled, you know, like I 

1398
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:49,680
don't even I don't even 
necessarily want to say that 

1399
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,840
about survival the fittest, but 
but I do agree, like it deals 

1400
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:57,480
with so many characters, so many
separate team teams and 

1401
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:01,880
allegiances, whereas rights of 
apocalypse, it tells a much 

1402
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,160
more, you know, personalized 
story. 

1403
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,640
And and particularly, I mean, a 
big, you know, I mean, we're 

1404
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,440
lumping the two parter end into,
into one here, obviously. 

1405
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:15,280
But but that second part and, 
and the beautiful animation of 

1406
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:19,080
that, of that black hole, that 
reversal of the, of the comic 

1407
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,640
storyline, as you mentioned, 
Ryan, I thought was a real 

1408
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,920
great, great way to harken back 
to it, but but also do something

1409
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,720
very unexpected. 
And as much as the emotional 

1410
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:33,040
payoff of of Nightcrawler 
sacrifice is so beautifully set 

1411
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,960
up and and such a gut punch and 
so emotional. 

1412
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:41,520
There's just something to seeing
the tragedy of what happens to 

1413
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:47,280
Magneto and seeing it through 
Xavier's eyes that that makes 

1414
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,280
this storyline, I feel like the 
the most memorable of of this 

1415
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,400
season in, in in such a good in 
a in a very good way and in a 

1416
01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:00,360
very tragic way obviously too. 
But yeah, all around Rise of the

1417
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:05,160
apocalypse I feel like takes a 
cake and and what a great little

1418
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,800
mid credits singer too, though. 
Yeah, I wasn't the only one this

1419
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,600
season. 
I feel like they had a Oh no, 

1420
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,920
no, no, there's there's the 
there's survival fittest. 

1421
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:19,480
There's a final bit with with 
Mystique and Creep being elected

1422
01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:20,560
president. 
But yeah. 

1423
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,400
But there was something really 
fun too about after. 

1424
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:28,600
I mean, I was, I was in tears 
watching the end of Rice's 

1425
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:32,920
Apocalypse and, and the, the, 
the levity you get was just 

1426
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:36,280
suddenly seeing Wolverine back 
in the 1990s and you know, 

1427
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,920
running into Cap and Black Widow
was was a great little palate 

1428
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,960
cleanser there. 
I love that little bit too where

1429
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,760
it's just like I haven't seen 
yet since the I haven't seen you

1430
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,560
in like 50 years, you. 
Know it gave you hope it's like 

1431
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,200
you know what heroes fight on 
yeah. 

1432
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:55,480
But so that's going to Finch it 
for the X-Men 97 season 2X 

1433
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:59,640
lamination bracket the official 
old switcheroo results taking 

1434
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,720
the bronze a force to be 
reckoned with and strange land 

1435
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:07,320
savage heart silver goes to 
survival of the fittest and your

1436
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:11,480
favorite or our favorite and 
hopefully your favorite rise of 

1437
01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:14,720
apocalypse. 
So I feel like just based on how

1438
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,320
this conversation has gone. 
I'm willing to bet that you guys

1439
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,480
are with me that as much as this
was a fun season and it 

1440
01:25:21,480 --> 01:25:26,480
certainly has its moments. 
Season 1 was the better of the 

1441
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:29,080
two seasons for X-Men 97. 
Are we in agreement? 

1442
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:33,960
Yeah, yeah, I think so. 
I mean they, it suffers from the

1443
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,320
same feeling of being a just a 
little too rushed, just a little

1444
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,760
too, I mean slow down, give us a
couple 2 parters here and there,

1445
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,680
you know, would have been 
advantageous for both seasons, 

1446
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:48,760
but I feel like season 1 is 
tighter than season 2. 

1447
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,920
Yeah, no, I agree. 
And if anything, I mean, not 

1448
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,080
that it was a huge difference in
episode numbers, but season 2 

1449
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:57,760
was an episode shorter than 
season 1. 

1450
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,240
And you feel that in a lot of 
the storylines in season 2, 

1451
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,600
which I think are excellent, but
there's a lot of I feel like 

1452
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,120
there was more potential if some
of these storylines could have 

1453
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,720
could have been two parters like
rise of apocalypse, like I 

1454
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,080
mentioned before, I think danger
EXE could have really benefited 

1455
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:19,280
from, from not being all crammed
into one, one episodes running 

1456
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:24,160
time. 
And yeah, and, and even though I

1457
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,480
don't have too much of AI, 
didn't feel like it was too much

1458
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:30,360
of A, of a detriment. 
I, I, I kind of agree with you, 

1459
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:33,600
Jeremy, about how there were so 
many characters in the second 

1460
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:38,480
season. 
It feels a little bit like I 

1461
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:41,920
feel more than season 1. 
Season 2 feels a little bit more

1462
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,760
like it's, it's jumping back and
forth between a lot of different

1463
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,640
storylines that could have 
benefited a little bit more 

1464
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,600
focus. 
So yeah, I'm with you there. 

1465
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:54,000
Season 1. 
So I think for this episode of 

1466
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:58,680
the old switcheroo screen time, 
the X-Men 97 Season 2 

1467
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,800
exclamation bracket, that's 
going to be a wrap. 

1468
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,160
Ryan, thank you so much for 
joining us. 

1469
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,880
I always look forward to our 
super powered team UPS and 

1470
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:09,840
anything to say to our 
listeners. 

1471
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:16,440
I just I, you know, I'm, I'm 
excited for season 3 of X-Men. 

1472
01:27:16,440 --> 01:27:20,680
Definitely whenever we end up 
getting that, maybe it'll be 15 

1473
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,440
episodes. 
You know, let's just stretch it 

1474
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:24,600
out a little bit. 
Come on, man. 

1475
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,520
I mean, I'm not, we're not going
to get the 26 episodes we got as

1476
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:31,200
kids, but you know. 
And as we're out there writing 

1477
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,120
good role-playing campaigns, 
maybe. 

1478
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,400
Maybe. 
An X-Men one I I do have one on 

1479
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:41,880
the books already called a 
Golden Start available on DMS 

1480
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:46,160
Guild for the the, the D&D 
people who hear this will 

1481
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,520
understand. 
But yeah, you can find me there.

1482
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,720
My, with my, my name Ryan, Ryan 
Lay LAY. 

1483
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,640
And hopefully in the next month 
or so, there'll be another 

1484
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,200
adventure up there for you to 
spend $5 on. 

1485
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,000
I'm. 
Sure, it's well worth the $5. 

1486
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,080
And Brian, before you launch 
into the night sky and explode, 

1487
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,440
why don't you tell our listeners
where they can find your stuff? 

1488
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:15,760
You can find me at Brian with AY
dot S dot Lee on Instagram and 

1489
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:20,640
TikTok and Brian Lee with the no
middle initial no periods on on 

1490
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,120
YouTube. 
That's where you'll find a lot 

1491
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,840
of my violin content. 
But on Instagram and TikTok, I 

1492
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,840
do a lot of cosplay, some 
artwork, some Activision, 

1493
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:35,240
Activision activism. 
But but yeah, I'm thank you so 

1494
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,680
much for having me. 
I'm I'm, I'm so grateful that we

1495
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,000
got to review this second season
together. 

1496
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,640
I'm so excited for for where we 
go from here. 

1497
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,920
Yeah, I mean, bottom line with 
even, even the, with what we 

1498
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,720
just talked about with season 2,
we need more episodes. 

1499
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,600
And I'm so grateful that they 
are moving full steam ahead that

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this, this show is getting so 
much viewership. 

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01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:58,760
It's getting a lot of, you know,
Emmy attention like like this is

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01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,680
an award-winning series. 
You know, this is and and I'm, 

1503
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:05,040
I'm grateful for that because 
God, we could, we could use so 

1504
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,560
much more. 
And I'm glad season 3 is slated 

1505
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,920
for one year from it. 
Like it's not, we're not getting

1506
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,720
the, you know, Apple plus kind 
of three-year waits between 

1507
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,920
severance seasons or, or, or 
Pluribus or what have you. 

1508
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,800
Like season 3 is coming out next
year. 

1509
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:21,280
I agree, like 15 episodes would 
be nice. 

1510
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,800
But obviously, you know, you 
know, I'm sure it takes time to 

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01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,560
make these things. 
But but yeah, as far as I'm 

1512
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,120
aware, last they announced that,
you know, we're going to get 

1513
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,160
season 3, we're going to get 
season 4 of the year following 

1514
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,880
that. 
And I believe Feige even kind of

1515
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,640
recently said that they, they, 
they want to, they want to keep 

1516
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:42,080
this going for, you know, many 
years down the line. 

1517
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,400
So I'm all for as long as, as 
long as it's, it's this good. 

1518
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,920
Yeah, bring it on. 
Yeah, I am worried though, 

1519
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:53,480
because I asked my students and 
out of a class of 27, two have 

1520
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:56,640
watched it. 
So that's not, it's not a great,

1521
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,440
it's for us. 
It's for the older folks, the 

1522
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:00,480
old heads. 
I know that. 

1523
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:05,840
It's definitely obviously mostly
for the the, the millennial and 

1524
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,400
Gen. 
Xers who grew up with the OG 

1525
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,320
series. 
But I don't know, maybe it's not

1526
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,440
quite reaching that because your
students are Gen. alpha. 

1527
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:16,320
I know a lot of Gen. 
Z fans of this of this show and 

1528
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:20,160
they obviously had to come back 
to watching X-Men, X-Men, the 

1529
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,000
original series or at the same 
time, it's very much a good 

1530
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:27,600
jumping end point. 
So hopefully, hopefully the more

1531
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,880
that they make, the more that 
the series is successful and 

1532
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,920
making new seasons, the more 
opportunity there are for for 

1533
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,440
younger fans to jump on board. 
So we'll see, especially with 

1534
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:42,280
the fact that X-Men is about to 
get, you know, an MCU movie, you

1535
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:44,040
know, so. 
Yeah, that'll be huge. 

1536
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,360
We'll see. 
All right guys, join us next 

1537
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,280
time when Mike and I will be 
joined by chart topping stand up

1538
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,800
comedian Jackie Kasian and her 
always entertaining husband, 

1539
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:56,680
game developer Andy Ashcraft as 
we break down a cult classic 

1540
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,600
locks quests for the Nintendo 
DSi. 

1541
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:01,360
Didn't know you're getting 
Jackie Kasian. 

1542
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:04,880
Oh yeah, TuneIn, she was so much
fun. 

1543
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,040
TuneIn next week, sorry, two 
weeks from now. 

1544
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:13,040
Also don't forget to visit 
www.theoldswitcharoo.com that 

1545
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,400
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1546
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:18,840
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1547
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,960
Big thanks to for our incredible
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1548
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,360
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1549
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:28,320
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1550
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,040
Until next time. 
This has been the old Switcharoo

1551
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,040
where we normally talk gaming 
retro with Mike and Jamo. 

1552
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,280
I'm not Mike. 
And I'm not Jamo. 

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01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:39,040
Game on, everyone.