S4E13: Killer Instinct -or- ULTRA COMBO!

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Fight on, because it's time for 
the old switcheroo where we're 

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talking gaming retro with Mike 
and Jamo. 

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I'm Mike. 
And I'm Jamo, we're the often 

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imitated, never emulated retro 
gaming podcast diving deep into 

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the Nintendo Switch Online 
Nintendo Classics catalog. 

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Today we are pitting Killer 
Instinct for the SNES against 

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Killer Instinct Gold Off for the
N64 in an episode we are calling

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Ultra Ultra Ultra Combo. 
If you like what you hear, don't

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forget to like, subscribe and of
course, play along. 

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Now Mike, our guest today, he's 
already been on the show this 

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season. 
He was the idea man for our 

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wonderful Pokémon direct 
episode. 

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But this is killer instinct. 
We got to go for a multi hit 

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combo. 
Do you know the button 

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combination to get him back in 
the ring? 

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Not really. 
I do not know any of the button 

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combinations. 
Well I think this is the button 

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you hit to get him in the zoom. 
Please welcome back SSJ 3 Butch 

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from Twitch and from many 
beloved past episodes. 

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How you doing, Butch? 
Good. 

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How you guys doing? 
Doing awesome. 

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Your declaration that you would 
riot if the final evolutions of 

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the wind and wave starters 
became bipedal really got people

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talking online. 
Yeah, they. 

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Did that was that was probably, 
I don't know if it was the most 

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controversial of your guys's 
videos, but it definitely was 

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one of one of them. 
And I noticed that a lot of 

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people were like, oh, the the 
chicken 1 is already bipedal and

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they forgot the fact that I said
humanoid. 

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Like, I don't care if they're 
bipedal because like you look at

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Empoleon, right? 
He's a Penguin. 

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He's bipedal. 
It makes sense, but they didn't 

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just make him a man in a Penguin
suit. 

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Man in a Penguin suit, you got 
to love that. 

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So there are rumors that the 
final evolutions have indeed 

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leaked, but I've not seen them 
myself. 

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Are you sharpening your 
pitchforks? 

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I have not seen them yet either.
I take leaks with a grain of 

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salt because I, you know, I 
follow the community on YouTube 

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and you always get people, 
especially around like the time 

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when they announce stuff where 
they're like, this person is a 

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very well known leaker and they 
have this information, right? 

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Like the past few years where 
he's been supposed to be getting

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like a remake of of Gen. 5. 
We're supposed to get a like 

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crossover game between Johto and
and Sino, right? 

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That's a combination game and 
none of it ever comes out even 

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though these people are reliable
leakers. 

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So I just, I don't ever follow 
that stuff cuz 90% of the time 

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it's just bunk. 
Yeah, I had an old cat that was 

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a reliable leaker, but that was 
something totally different. 

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Mike, you haven't seen the 
leaks, have you? 

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No, I don't pay any attention to
it. 

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All right, well, let's just 
assume Bush is going to be angry

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about him. 
Guys, I'm really excited for 

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this episode. 
We haven't done an old Switch 

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guru versus match since Season 
2, when Brian and Mike unfairly 

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teamed up on me to declare Punch
Out better than Super Punch Out.

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Butch, I assume you're with me 
on this one. 

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Super Punch Out's the better 
game. 

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Yeah, I believe Super Punch 
Out's better. 

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Being a troll, I didn't really 
think you agreed with me. 

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I, it's tough because like I, 
you got to remember I grew up in

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the age of like Nintendo was 
fresh for me, right? 

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So some people that are playing 
it, it isn't. 

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And, and so like I dealt with 
the frustration of, of playing 

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punch out as a kid and I'm like,
this is just, and then, then you

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get super punch out, which is 
still tough, but wasn't as bad 

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as Mike Tyson's punch out or 
whatever you want, you know, 

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just regular punch out after 
everything happened. 

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And so I and I just the colors, 
the characters, I think Super 

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Punch Out is better. 
You hear that, Brian? 

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You hear that, Brian, But 
you're, you're, you're a good 

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egg. 
Well, guys, without further ado,

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let's get started. 
Because ladies and gentlemen, 

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boys and girls, let's get ready 
to combo in the red corner. 

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Arriving in America the same 
weekend that Nicolas Cage left 

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Las Vegas at 8:00 and 1:00, 
fourth centimeters and weighing 

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in at a respectable 85 grams, 
it's got 16 bits and a babe who 

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does the splits. 
Killer Instinct for the SNES and

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in the Blue Corner, coming to 
life on the very day that the 

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Main Street Electrical parade 
died. 

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Mike, how do you like that one 
At 7:00 and 1:00, a half 

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centimeters and weighing in at a
whopping 180 grams, It's the 64 

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bit cart that will stop your 
heart. 

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Killer Instinct Gold for the 
Nintendo 64 Let's get into the 

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descriptions here. 
According to Nintendo Switch 

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Online, do you have the instinct
to achieve supreme victory? 

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This fighting game series 
features a bleak world dominated

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by a single corporation, 
Ultratech. 

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Outfitting combatants with high 
tech weaponry, Ultratech 

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entertains the masses with the 
Killer Instinct Tournament, 

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using it as a testing ground for
their weapon designs. 

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Pick from a roster of killer 
fighters and test your instincts

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across multiple explosive game 
modes. 

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You can join in a single player 
arcade match against a computer 

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opponent. 
Pitch your favorite characters 

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against the friends in team mode
or face off in the round Robin 

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style tournament mode of up to 8
players. 

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There's even a training mode 
where you can sharpen your 

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techniques and hone your skills 
to achieve supreme victory. 

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Jump in on your opponent and 
string your attacks together to 

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create combos. 
With hundreds of thousands of 

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moves at your fingertips, you'll
need all the practice you can 

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get to have a chance at landing 
a 70 hit Ultra combo on the 

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receiving end of an attack 
string. 

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Interrupt your opponent by 
utilizing Killer Instincts 

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Iconic combo breaker mechanic 
with Quick Attack, working 

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against Medium, Medium against 
Fierce, and Fierce against 

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Quick. 
It's just like what, Mike? 

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Fire, grass, and water Pokémon. 
Rock, paper, scissors. 

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That's right. 
Then, when you have them on the 

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ropes, use your danger move. 
It will take more than radical 

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moves and deadly specials to 
secure victory. 

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It will take killer instinct. 
Full disclosure, that was the 

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two descriptions for the two 
games kind of combined, if you 

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couldn't tell. 
So for tonight's preliminary 

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matchup, it's a rumble in the 
retail jungle. 

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Killer Instinct versus Killer 
Instinct Gold, a literal boxing 

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match. 
Mike, would you mind describing 

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for our audio listeners the 
Killer Instinct Super Nintendo 

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box? 
Yeah, so we have one of the 

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fighters who's kind of like 
somewhere between robot and suit

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of armor looking. 
Yeah, kind of. 

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Terminator meets Shredder. 
Sort of facing dead on with what

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looks like one arm pulled back 
for a punch. 

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And I think probably more 
interesting to this is is less 

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what they have going on with the
fighter and the fact this says a

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music CD is included inside. 
Yeah, Killer cuts, the music CD,

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which Butch, if I, if I'm led 
to, if I understand what you're 

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dropping down during our little 
Killer Instinct amateur 

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tournament. 
You have some, You have some 

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opinions on this one? 
Yes, I actually, I have the CD 

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still to this day. 
It came in like not like a full 

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jewel case. 
It came in one of the little 

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sleeves and it's just it's the 
music from the game, right? 

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It's nothing fancy, but it was 
even as a kid, I loved putting 

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it in ACD player and just 
listening to the stage music, 

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right. 
You got, you know, because all 

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their stages in there were great
and I thought it was amazing. 

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I, I love that they included it 
and I think that definitely is, 

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was a good selling point for 
them. 

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When was the last time you 
listened to it? 

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Oh boy, and it's been a while 
cuz I don't even know if I own a

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CD player anymore because most 
everything's digital nowadays. 

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Sure sure sure. 
So I swear I'm not just being a 

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creep on purpose, but I was 
listening to it to prepare for 

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this episode. 
The first track Ki Feeling is 

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Orchid Stage. 
Yes. 

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But it's it kind of halfway 
through, the song just becomes 

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like sex noises set to music, 
Yes. 

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Yes, it does 100%. 
It's and, and, and honestly, I 

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mean, I don't want to say it 
makes sense, but like orchid was

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there like the sexy woman for 
this, this series, right? 

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You know, cuz in, in like Mortal
Kombat, right, you had Sonia and

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then you eventually got Cortana 
and Molina and then Street 

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Fighter got Tammy, you know, so 
like this that that was she was 

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it. 
That was their Here's the sexy 

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woman. 
Yeah, every fighting game had 

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one at least. 
Yeah. 

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At least one. 
And Butch, would you mind 

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describing the box for Killer 
Instinct Gold? 

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OK, so Gold has full gore again 
from the top, you know, from the

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Super Nintendo. 
They're facing off. 

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I think that's May. 
Tusk. 

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Tusk OK and they're just facing 
off against each other and you 

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still kind of got like the the 
industrial background ish that 

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they kind of look like they were
going for on a on a Super 

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Nintendo cover as well. 
And of course, then you got the 

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classic red stripe down the side
for the Nintendo 64. 

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Yeah, that that that always hits
a nostalgia string for me. 

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I don't know about you guys, but
I think that even though the N64

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game having two fighters on the 
cover, like more clearly conveys

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this is a fighting game, you 
know, those are two clearly 

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different characters that I'll 
be able to play as. 

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But there's something kind of 
doopy looking about Tusk. 

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It's like he looks kind of 
vulnerable. 

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You know what I mean? 
You guys with me? 

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Yeah, I feel that. 
It's like he's literally 

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sticking his neck out and it's 
like, come on, dude. 

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Like protect your neck. 
Like I'm pretty sure that was a 

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song about that. 
So even though you know there's 

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more going on, I I think the 
SNES cover takes it. 

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I think it's really iconic and I
think Folgore looking right at 

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the customer, like I think it's 
intimidating, but also you're 

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like like I want to I I want to 
step into the ring. 

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Mike, which one do you like 
better? 

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I. 
Think I I would also go with the

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SNESI Think honestly, there's 
also just something sort of fun 

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about throwing in the the CD. 
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of a 

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little value add, but you with 
us a Clean sweep, Killer 

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Instinct, Super Nintendo Better 
Cover. 

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Yeah, and and I will say that 
because when I was getting the 

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game right, that's what drew me 
to that game, was, was the fact 

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that you have Folgore, who at 
the time, like I mentioned the 

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other series, Mortal Kombat, 
Street Fighter, the two other 

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big fighters, they didn't have 
robot characters. 

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Mortal Kombat didn't have a 
robot character until 3 when 

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they had Cyrax and Sector. 
Which I didn't realize that, but

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you're right, they're totally 
borrowing from killer instincts.

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So you have this game and you 
have a fighter who's a robot. 

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And so I was like, oh, this is 
going to be different than your 

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usual fighting games. 
And then I don't know if if it's

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cool to go into this yet, but 
this is one of the only 

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cartridges that's black. 
Yeah. 

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Not Gray. 
Yeah, I remember. 

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Dang, you know what? 
You just triggered that memory 

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in me. 
Yeah, that was a cool cartridge.

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It was always exciting when it 
was a different color plastic. 

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Yep. 
Kids don't understand kids these

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days, you know what I mean? 
They don't, they don't know the 

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thrill of opening. 
I mean, I guess the equivalent 

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would be like when I get a vinyl
and it's like the vinyl is an 

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interesting color, right? 
But but I don't think kids these

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days are collecting vinyls 
either, so. 

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No, Yeah, maybe. 
Maybe a holographic Pokémon card

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I guess. 
OK, OK, yeah, I see what you're 

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putting down. 
Well, there you have it, folks. 

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TBO, the winner of this literal 
boxing match is Killer Instinct 

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on the SNES, so he got some 
behind the scenes stats on each 

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fighter for you guys. 
When game designer Ken Loeb 

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first pitched his concept for 
Killer Instinct to Namco 

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executives back in the early 
90s, he was using the working 

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title Melee, which I thought 
kind of fun, you know, cuz like 

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Melee is one of the most iconic 
fighting games ever now. 

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But the studio passed on the 
project, instead choosing to 

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produce the sword Fighter Weapon
Lord, which has been completely 

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lost to the sands of time I 
think. 

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Did I you guys ever play this 
one? 

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It looks familiar, but it might 
have been one of those where I 

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picked it up on a weekend and 
never touched it ever again. 

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I think a lot of us recognize 
that box art, like the box art 

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is kind of memorable with like 
the scorpion guy and the the 

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sword one Mike, you never, you 
never lorded your weapons. 

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I have never heard of this at 
all. 

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OK, yeah, it kind of looks like 
Killer Instinct, but honestly 

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not as interesting. 
Honestly looks better. 

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You think it looks better? 
Oh, OK, hold your horses there, 

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grumpy guys. 
Another working title for Killer

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Instinct was Thriller Instinct, 
and in fact, there are image 

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files of this title screen in 
intact in the code on the arcade

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cabinet. 
But according to the website 

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Cutting Room Floor, no one knows
if the title was originally 

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proposed to get around 
Nintendo's infamous Never Say 

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Die rule. 
Apparently Nintendo did not like

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putting death in the titles of 
games, or if it was changed to 

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Killer Instinct because of fear 
of legal complications regarding

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Michael Jackson's thriller. 
So somebody leave a comment if 

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you know the history behind 
this, but I think Thriller 

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Instinct a much worse title, 
right? 

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I was actually going to ask, is 
Thriller Instinct the one where 

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Michael Jackson stars in so? 
You might have crossover with 

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Moonwalker I. 
Was going to say OK, but 

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seriously though, like I don't 
know the problematic just name 

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but Michael Jackson as a killer 
instinct fighter with like rapid

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combo moon walks like kind of 
kind of sick kind of sick. 

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So according to the Killer 
Instinct documentary Fight On by

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the YouTube channel Hold Back to
Block, the iconic combo centric 

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gameplay of the series was 
directly inspired by the SN 

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character Kim Kapwan from Fatal 
Fury and Fatal Fury 2, which are

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games that we will cover in a 
future season. 

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And there reportedly exists a 
cartridge of a Killer Instinct 2

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on the Super Nintendo. 
That game was originally 

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developed for the Super 
Nintendo, but when devkits 

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became available for the N64, 
they switched over to the more 

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powerful hardware because they 
could get closer to the actual 

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arcade experience. 
But Rare fulfilled their 

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contract and finished Killer 
Instinct 2 on the SNES. 

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So I would love but you you 
popped off when Star Fox 2 was 

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announced, right? 
For Nintendo Switch Online? 

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Yeah. 
Oh, yeah. 

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So I actually, I feel like 
there's some weird precedence of

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where like they were supposed to
do originally the N64 for for 

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the first Killer Instinct, 
because I distinctly remember 

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the first Killer Instinct in the
arcade cabinet because I would 

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go to the arcade and my arcade 
was one of those that had all 

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three, you know, Street Fighter,
Mortal Kombat and Killer 

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Instinct. 
And I remember them saying that 

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it would be out on the Ultra 64.
Yeah. 

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And so I've, I, if I, you know, 
this is, I could be totally 

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wrong, but I think the original 
killer instinct was supposed to 

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be on the M60 four. 
And then the Super Super FX chip

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came out and that that allowed 
them to then put it on the Super

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Nintendo. 
And then then I'm guessing in 

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some weird history of whatever 
it went down to, was supposed to

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be on the Super Nintendo and 
then went to the N64. 

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Yeah, I, I know Ultra 64 was the
name of the arcade hardware that

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ran both Killer Instinct games 
and it was a working title I 

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believe for the N64 at one it 
was it was so I, I would, I 

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would not be surprised at all to
hear that's true. 

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And then one last piece of fun 
trivia for you guys. 

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Chris Sutherland, the iconic 
voice of the Killer Instinct 

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announcer, is also the lead 
developer and voice actor behind

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Banjo Kazooie and his own 
Kickstarter LED passion project 

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ukulele. 
So I just love that like these 

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really cute characters are the 
same guy that's like. 

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Ultra combo. 
So before we get this grudge 

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match underway, what is our 
history with the Killer Instinct

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series and how far do we each 
get? 

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But you were excited to do this 
episode with us. 

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Can we start with you? 
Yeah, I as I've already started,

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you know, talking about like the
cartridge. 

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I remember getting this game and
I was, you know, you had those 

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kids that were Mortal Kombat and
you had those were Street 

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Fighter. 
I was Killer Instinct. 

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That was me. 
Like I like, yeah, I played the 

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other ones. 
But like Killer Instinct was 

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like, this is the game that I, 
this is my fighter. 

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This is the one I play when I 
come home from school. 

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This is the one that helps me, 
you know, de stress, I would 

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look up as best I could in the 
in like if I went to, you know, 

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Walmart or whatever and they had
the the guides, I'd be like, OK,

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let me find some secrets, let me
find whatever. 

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And I remember finding the code 
to unlock idol and playing as 

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him. 
Like I had to remember it right.

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So when I got home, I could be 
like, OK, how do I, how does 

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this go? 
And and so I would I could 

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actually use the the boss, but 
yeah, I just I'd have distinct 

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memories of it getting that 
game, which it was at, believe 

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it or not, a Sears that I bought
it. 

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And I just, yeah, having the CD,
the black cartridge. 

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And like Cinder was my boy. 
I played a spinal as well, but 

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like Cinder was my go to. 
That was my guy. 

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And I just the other thing that 
I remember blowing my mind was 

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when we talked about the cover 
was having a robot fighter. 

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And because you're used to those
other fighters where they don't 

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and they give like BIOS for them
and they're like, oh, this 

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person's from America, man. 
They're 24. 

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And I remember seeing Folgore 
and it's like 2 years old. 

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And I'm like, cuz as a kid that 
just kind of blows your mind. 

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And I'm like, wait, he's 2? 
But I'm like, Oh yeah, he's a 

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robot. 
So that makes sense. 

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Yeah, we played a fantasy star 
four that had a similar 

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character where like she was 
like a couple months old, but 

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like you said, robot. 
So I'm going to guess since this

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game was so important to you and
you said that you did the idol 

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code, I'm going to guess you 
have beaten this game. 

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Oh yeah. 
You nintended. 

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I'm in computer. 
And what about Killer Instinct 

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Gold? 
What was your experience with 

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that one? 
That one, I remember I didn't 

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buy that one, but I did rent it 
a lot because I was still it was

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still killer instinct, right? 
So it was still that like, oh, I

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love this game. 
I love this franchise, so I I 

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did play it. 
I played it quite a bit. 

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Did not like the fact that 
Cinder was in it was wasn't in 

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it, but I dealt. 
I just it did not hit the same 

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way. 
And sometimes, you know, sequels

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don't, but it just I don't know.
It didn't hit the same way as 

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the original did, but I still I 
played the hell out of it. 

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And Nintendo, did you ever beat 
it? 

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Oh yeah, yeah, I'm in computer. 
My less of a history I would 

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probably guess. 
I don't think I'd ever really 

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heard of them before. 
Really. 

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And so I never played them 
before. 

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Yeah. 
For Killer Instinct, I played it

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on the lowest difficulty setting
and so I reached the end where 

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they basically just said try 
that on a higher difficulty 

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setting. 
But you beat the last boss. 

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It does not have or. 
I mean, there was a, there's, 

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there's always a last boss. 
I did not see the last boss. 

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So you didn't fight the 2 headed
troll idol? 

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I did not. 
OK, well Butch, what do you 

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think? 
I, you know, in an age where 

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people like to argue about 
whether beating a game on easier

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and is, you know, or not count 
when you get those people that 

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are like, you didn't really 
complete this Souls game unless 

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you did it blindfolded with your
feet on a guitar, You know, 

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Guitar Hero controller. 
I think he beats it, you know, 

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Yeah, do what you can And and as
long as you're enjoying it and 

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you feel like you've 
accomplished it. 

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Yeah, I think so. 
So I don't press it unless Mike 

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enjoyed it, then all right, I'm 
playing Mike Mintended. 

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I'm in the computer. 
Beat it on easy his purely for 

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philosophically. 
I'm normally not one to let's 

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say like that doesn't matter 
unless it means you actually 

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didn't get to a final encounter 
like idol. 

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So I would say that like things 
essentially the game was cut 

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short because it was on easy 
mode. 

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I I, yeah, I mean, I could, I 
guess you could say that it's 

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just. 
That's not. 

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Worth it, Yeah. 
It's like the people being like,

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well, you never beat Street 
Fighter Two unless you actually 

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fought Akuma. 
Right. 

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Semantics, I feel. 
In which case I am more prepared

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for Killer Instinct Gold, which 
I also went through on the the 

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lowest setting and #1 so it's 
the same thing. 

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You don't fight the final boss 
on that, but it does roll 

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credits. 
OK. 

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And I did still beat the final 
boss through a loophole. 

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Interesting, I can't wait to 
hear about that. 

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But you nintended, at least 
technically. 

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I mean computer. 
What's the loophole? 

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So one of the things that Killer
Instant Gold has is the team 

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battle. 
Sure. 

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And I had noticed you can set 
the teams from 1:00 to 11:00, 

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OK. 
And you just have 10 stock 

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characters. 
So I did a battle against the 

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computer of 11 characters to see
what would happen. 

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So I just selected like one of 
each and then selected a second 

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one twice. 
And then the computer, you don't

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know what they've selected in 
terms of who you're fighting. 

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The computer just selected one 
of each of them. 

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And so as I was going through 
the last one I had to beat, and 

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I think I came down to my last 
fighter as well. 

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It was close. 
But the last one I had to beat 

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was that gargoyle thing that I 
think is. 

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00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,800
It is that is the final boss 
normally. 

408
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,000
Yeah. 
Gargos. 

409
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,080
Yeah. 
So I did get to see that and 

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fight that and all that through 
that little thing that I thought

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I'd hoped was going to work that
way. 

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But I did not know it would work
until I read, until I reached 

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the very end and he showed up. 
I was like, OK, cool, this 

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worked. 
I did beat him. 

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00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:01,800
Yeah. 
Sort of. 

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00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,800
Yeah, I mean, you didn't beat 
everyone leading up to him, but 

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you beat him. 
I. 

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Did beat everybody leading up to
him because they were the other 

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10 people on the team. 
Right. 

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00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,560
OK, yeah. 
So you essentially played arcade

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mode, just in a different 
format? 

422
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,400
Yeah, sort of, yeah. 
That's really fascinating. 

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I kind of love that they thought
to do that, that they would have

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the AI pick the final boss 
character. 

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00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,920
So I first encountered Killer 
Instinct at Colleen's house. 

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She was on us our show last 
season talking about pilot 

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wings. 
But I like instantly fell in 

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00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,120
love with this game. 
It was so much fun. 

429
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,480
Like Butch said, the black 
cartridge made it feel real 

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special. 
And I didn't own an SNES. 

431
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I was a Genesis kid. 
So unfortunately it wasn't one 

432
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,200
that like I could borrow, you 
know? 

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And then I played the Xbox One 
reboot, which is fantastic. 

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Butch, have you tried the the 
Modern Killer Instinct? 

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00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,560
Yes. 
I, I don't know. 

436
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,680
Well, I don't know how it works 
now, but I know when it came 

437
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,680
out, it was like basically, if I
remember correctly, it was like,

438
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,560
hey, you can have these two 
characters for free. 

439
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,800
And then you had to like buy all
the rest of the characters. 

440
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,080
And I was like, Nah, I'm good. 
Yeah, I'm not gonna do that. 

441
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,720
They did eventually just release
it as just a game with like all,

442
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,520
all the characters. 
And I don't even think it was 

443
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,760
like, I think it was value 
price. 

444
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,280
I think it was like 40 bucks or 
something for every character. 

445
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,880
But like, but that gets really 
fun though. 

446
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,120
That's the one that eventually 
gets Battle Toads and Master 

447
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:34,160
Chief in there and like the guy 
from Gears of War. 

448
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,000
So that's super fun. 
Yeah. 

449
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,360
And then Killer Instinct Gold. 
I didn't play it until the Rare 

450
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,280
Replay. 
OK, although it might that one 

451
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,800
might be Killer Instinct 2, 
although Killer Instinct 2 and 

452
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,840
Killer Instinct Gold are very 
similar, at least in terms of 

453
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,440
content. 
But I am very proud to say that 

454
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,440
through, you know, gratuitous 
use of the rewind, I nintended 

455
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,400
beat both of these games. 
I'm in computer. 

456
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,400
But only play it once cuz our 
listeners have heard that a lot 

457
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,440
for this episode. 
So let's kick off this old 

458
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,000
switcheroo versus match with 
round one Ding Ding Ding, 

459
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,480
characters pitting Killer 
Instinct versus Killer Instinct 

460
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,600
gold. 
Let's consider this as being a 

461
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,440
discussion of not only which 
characters are included, but 

462
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,560
also that the way the game kind 
of portrays the characters. 

463
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,960
So but you said that Killer 
Instinct Gold didn't hit like 

464
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,800
the first one does. 
Does Killer Instinct win 

465
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,840
automatically because it's the 
game that has Cinder? 

466
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,640
I don't maybe, and I think I 
think part of the problem too is

467
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,680
Ripter wasn't in there like 
Thunder. 

468
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,280
I'm like, OK, you know, 
whatever, he was there. 

469
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,040
But like I also liked Ripter 
too, because like it's a 

470
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,760
dinosaur. 
Like once again, like with the 

471
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,840
robots, there weren't dinosaurs 
in your fighting games. 

472
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,480
So that that definitely put a 
damper on it for me. 

473
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,560
And I don't, I don't know, like 
I feel like Idol compared to 

474
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,720
Gargos. 
I don't know, I, I just feel 

475
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,960
like Gargos is here's your 
typical gargoyle, you know, 

476
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,720
whatever, here you go. 
And then Idol actually had some 

477
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,440
history to him, right, Because 
he used to be human and then he 

478
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,120
was transformed into this. 
So, you know, that's where it 

479
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,320
kind of like, you know, to me, 
it just kind of I don't feel 

480
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,600
like they put as much heart into
into gold. 

481
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,600
Interesting. 
It's funny cuz Gargos is by a 

482
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,720
pretty big margin, my preferred 
final boss. 

483
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,040
I love him with his ability to 
fly around the stage and like 

484
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,320
shoot air projectiles down at 
you like Akuma style. 

485
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,760
And the fact that you have to 
knock him into the air to end 

486
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,080
that fight. 
That was kind of a fun, 

487
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,880
stressful moment because you get
him down to zero health and he's

488
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,560
still going. 
You're like what is going on but

489
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,120
you have to do the stage 
finisher of a move that knocks 

490
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,120
him into the air so that he 
falls off the bridge and into 

491
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,280
the lava. 
I mean, it doesn't explain that.

492
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,200
So I imagine being a kid in the 
arcade and being very upset and 

493
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,800
wondering why the final boss 
won't freaking die. 

494
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,440
But I don't know, I think Gargos
is a lot more interesting. 

495
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,080
Idol. 
The only thing I remember Idol 

496
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,400
is that he does that kind of 
scary. 

497
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,800
Like I don't know what the term 
is, but like when a bowl drags 

498
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,120
their heels again or drags their
hooks against the dirt. 

499
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,200
I just called it a stomp. 
Yeah, he does that stomp. 

500
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,120
Like when he knocks you away, he
kind of like and it's like, 

501
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,720
well, that's a little scary, 
right Mike? 

502
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,360
Team Idol or Team Gargos? 
I think it has to be idle. 

503
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,680
Damn it. 
Really. 

504
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,680
Why? 
Because of the scene that you 

505
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,920
get when you win in Killer 
Instinct with Idol. 

506
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,160
Explain. 
So with, I guess technically 

507
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,880
with both games you have like a 
end like scene that happens for 

508
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,360
whoever you've won the game 
with. 

509
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,920
Yeah, if you do that with Idol, 
this woman comes up and is like,

510
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:57,120
hey, I think you're my missing 
baby and he just like clubs her 

511
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,000
what I. 
Was wondering, I was wondering 

512
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,720
if any of you had seen that? 
Mattresside I well, it's kind of

513
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,800
like a it's like are you? 
It's like a it's you, Bill. 

514
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,560
I think it's Billy, something 
like that. 

515
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,960
And it's like, yeah, I don't 
think so. 

516
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,600
It's like, but I gave him that 
club and it's just like. 

517
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,160
Oh, that's a Street Fighter 
joke. 

518
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,640
That's Blanca's ending. 
Blanca's mom comes up and says 

519
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,200
Billy it's you and he like cries
and he has reunited with his mom

520
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,880
because she can see through the 
monster and see who he really 

521
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,760
is. 
Ah that's hilarious. 

522
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,760
Dang was so did you beat the 
game as idol or did you watch 

523
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,160
like a speedrun? 
I watched a compilation video 

524
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,920
that I will put in these show 
notes. 

525
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,640
OK of the character endings. 
Of all the character endings. 

526
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,600
OK, any other gems I. 
Think the other two that I'll 

527
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,040
mention. 
Spinal basically leaves fighting

528
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,400
to become an actor. 
And then Thunder, like his 

529
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,600
motivation is to find out what 
happened to his brother, right? 

530
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,000
And at the end, he's like, 
basically he finds out his 

531
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,880
brother's dead. 
And so it's like him at like the

532
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,600
grave. 
And then he walks away and it's 

533
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,640
like his brother Eagle can rest 
at peace or can he? 

534
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,560
And then basically the animation
for Spinal rises up from there. 

535
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,080
Yeah, it's sort of a carry 
ending with the the hand coming 

536
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,320
out of the grave. 
And then ripped ripped or the 

537
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,520
dinosaurs basically just like 
take over. 

538
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280
Yeah, that's the one that was in
the Nintendo Direct when they 

539
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,040
announced this game. 
It's like the Raptors running 

540
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,160
wild in the streets of New York 
or something like that. 

541
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,280
Yeah, that's fun. 
I love that. 

542
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,760
I I love Spinal becoming an 
actor because he's very like Ray

543
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,320
Harryhausen. 
Like he's very. 

544
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Which one was it? 
Jason and the Argonauts that had

545
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,200
the stop motion skeletons. 
Yeah, I think that was it. 

546
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,000
Yeah, but like, I mean, Spinal 
Stage in Killer Instinct Gold is

547
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,920
amazing because it's like this 
boat with a bunch of skeletons 

548
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,640
rowing the boat and the stage is
rocking back and forth. 

549
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,080
So I totally thought about that 
movie. 

550
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,680
I really love all of these 
characters. 

551
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,520
I mean, some are obviously 
better than others, but one of 

552
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,680
my favorite things about Killer 
Instinct as a series is that I 

553
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,560
think just visually it might be 
the most interesting character 

554
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,320
roster of any fighting game 
series. 

555
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,440
Because like Street Fighter, 
like, you know, you see Ryu or 

556
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,720
whatever and you're like, OK, 
it's the guy in the, you know, a

557
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,560
ghee. 
He's just like a karate guy. 

558
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,840
But until you see him moving, 
you don't really get what he 

559
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,080
plays like. 
But like you see Saberwolf and 

560
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,760
you're like, that's a freaking 
werewolf. 

561
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,160
Like that is our velociraptor. 
You know what I mean? 

562
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,080
That's Gargoyle. 
That's that's Goliath from 

563
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,880
Gargoyles. 
Like I would want an action 

564
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,760
figure of like all of these. 
Oh yeah, 100% like you said, you

565
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,440
know, 'cause even even Mortal 
Kombat when they were still like

566
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,920
testing stuff out and it added 
in reptile, like he was still 

567
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,400
just a green ninja, unless he 
did like his finisher where you 

568
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,040
could see the, the, the actual 
reptilian face beneath. 

569
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,120
But you know, so there wasn't 
like this diverse, I think what 

570
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,400
Baraka was maybe, you know, 
their most diverse, you know, I 

571
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,640
had the, the, the teeth and the,
the, the swords coming out. 

572
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,760
But like this you've got, you 
know, like you said, the 

573
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,440
dinosaur, the werewolf, the the 
skeleton, the robot, The Walking

574
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,040
ice and walking fire guys. 
And you know, then you get into 

575
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,760
TJ combo, who I feel like 
they're like, hey, street 

576
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,640
fighters got a boxer that kind 
of looks like Mike Tyson. 

577
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,120
Why don't we do the same thing, 
right? 

578
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,960
You know, that's kind of where 
is like that that, but it's just

579
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,680
that's one character. 
He felt more like Mortal Kombat 

580
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,000
Annihilation era Jax. 
I think he is. 

581
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,600
I can see that kind of the 
bastard child of those two 

582
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,960
influences. 
Yeah. 

583
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,960
What I love so much is that, 
like, you know, Butch made an 

584
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,600
apartment comparison to Mortal 
Kombat, but like, even Baraka 

585
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,680
has like, the same silhouette as
the other Mortal Kombat 

586
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,840
fighters. 
Like, all of those frames are 

587
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,200
about the same height and about 
the same width or whatever. 

588
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,560
But like, Riptor is like, he's 
hunched over because he's a 

589
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,200
freaking velociraptor, you know?
And Idol is a bit taller than, 

590
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,800
you know, the other fighters and
kind of makes him more 

591
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,600
intimidating. 
I loved how many fighters had 

592
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,000
creative ways to get across the 
screen and close the gap. 

593
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,760
Like Glacias melting and then, 
you know, as a puddle sliding 

594
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,360
across the floor and then coming
back into form with an uppercut 

595
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,840
that knocks your opponent into 
the air. 

596
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,440
Freaking sick, Saber Wolf. 
I don't know, I don't think you 

597
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,520
can do this in Killer Instinct, 
but in Killer Instinct, Gold 

598
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,080
Saber Wolf has a move where he 
basically gets ready to pounce. 

599
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,560
He goes down on all fours and 
arches his back and just growls 

600
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,160
and you can hold it there and 
then press the button when 

601
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,840
you're ready to fly across the 
screen. 

602
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,520
I think you can do it in the 
first one. 

603
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,680
OK, it feels like something like
it feels like Pikachu's like be 

604
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,200
right special. 
It's like going at him Cinder, 

605
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,680
you know, Full disclosure, but 
Cinder is is definitely not my 

606
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,760
favorite because he kind of 
feels like, you know, kind of 

607
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,560
red Glacias in terms of 
appearance. 

608
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,600
But I love how Cinder as the 
Johnny Storm living fire 

609
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,080
character, he doesn't shoot a 
fireball. 

610
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,200
He becomes the fireball. 
Right. 

611
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,560
He launches himself across the 
screen. 

612
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,560
So it's like, what if after the 
Hadouken hits, then your 

613
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,720
character spawns out of where 
the Hadouken was? 

614
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,400
That's kind of. 
Cool. 

615
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,400
Exactly. 
Yep. 

616
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,120
And that's one of the reasons 
why I like him. 

617
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,920
You're like, oh, but he's the, 
he's the red Glacias. 

618
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,240
No, Glacias is the blue cinder. 
Let's get it straight. 

619
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,040
OK. 
He, like you said, he flies 

620
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,720
across the screen and not just 
on the ground, he can be in the 

621
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,800
air and do it too. 
So you can be in the air and do 

622
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,440
that move and fly across the 
screen. 

623
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,840
That is pretty sick. 
And so and, and kind of doubling

624
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,640
back a little bit, I was sitting
here as you were talking, I 

625
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,000
realized like Mortal Kombat 
saved the special looking guys 

626
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,360
for the bosses. 
Goro Kintaro, Shao Khan, right? 

627
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,040
These guys are all special. 
They all are the monster 

628
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,760
essentially. 
They're all basically the bot. 

629
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,520
They're all the Goro, they're 
all the Kintaro, right? 

630
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,760
And, and it's not just here's 
ninja copy #4 you know, so 

631
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,880
that's why I think that that was
one of the reasons it's, you 

632
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,560
know, spoke to me as a kid. 
Yeah, 100%. 

633
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:13,280
And I, I am bummed by the Killer
Instinct gold exclusions, the 

634
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,720
fact that you lose the 
Velociraptor and Human Torch. 

635
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,680
And I also, I like Thunder to 
just speak to one second because

636
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,040
you were kind of trash talking a
little bit. 

637
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,400
I like his spinning attacks. 
It's sort of like evoked like a 

638
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,720
fireside dance of sorts. 
So he felt really fun to kind of

639
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,880
chain combos together. 
I mean, they're all, they're all

640
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,080
fun to chain. 
Combos I actually liked his like

641
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,880
Mohawk headbutt that he could 
like that. 

642
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,560
That was the one thing I didn't 
I did like about him. 

643
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,560
Like he, I that that was unique.
Yeah, 100% But then Killer 

644
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,560
Instinct Gold, you lose Thunder 
ripped her Cinder and Idol and 

645
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,560
you get Kim Tusk, Maya and 
Gargos. 

646
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,200
Kim is kind of fun because she 
has like these nunchucks or 

647
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,560
nunchucku and like her fireballs
like she kind of jumps into the 

648
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,360
air to shoot it. 
So it's kind of like a higher 

649
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,840
trajectory, you know, then the 
most fireballs would be. 

650
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,560
I liked Maya's gameplay. 
She is dual wielding these like 

651
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,280
sort of knives. 
So she has all these really fun 

652
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,960
like kind of two hit combos 
where she's kind of Anakin 

653
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,520
Skywalker from Clone Wars. 
But I think the big miss of the 

654
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,239
new characters is Tusk because 
unless I'm misunderstanding how 

655
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,679
to play that character, he seems
like the series only kind of 

656
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,760
slow but strong character. 
His his hits do a ton of damage 

657
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,480
but I really struggled to get 
the combos going with him. 

658
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,159
Did either of you guys try him 
out? 

659
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,120
Yeah. 
And I would, I would say the 

660
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,960
same that he is the very much 
like like you said, he's the 

661
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,560
strong but slow. 
So like, it's very much risk 

662
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,639
versus reward. 
I always saw him as that they 

663
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,920
were trying to make him the 
replacement of Thunder, right? 

664
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,880
Because like Thunder Thunder, 
you have like Native American 

665
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,679
backgrounds, right? 
Very much of the earth has kind 

666
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,480
of that spirituality. 
And so they're like, we'll take 

667
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,480
out Thunder and we'll put in 
Tusk. 

668
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,800
And he's, instead of being 
Native American, he's a, he's a 

669
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,680
caveman, you know, sort of 
thing, you know, so they're kind

670
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,000
of like, we'll replace one for 
the other. 

671
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,680
At least that's the way I always
saw it. 

672
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,760
I, I could be wrong. 
I may be 100% wrong, but that's 

673
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,840
just the way I, I, you know, was
like when I played it. 

674
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,360
I'm like oh so they did this 
instead? 

675
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,680
He seems druidic. 
Yeah, I was gonna say more Conan

676
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,280
the Barbarian than caveman for 
me. 

677
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,400
Yeah, I guess. 
OK. 

678
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,240
Yeah, I can see that, yeah. 
Well, cuz he's also got the 

679
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,000
whole Stonehenge thing going. 
Right. 

680
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,440
Yeah, his stage is Stonehenge. 
Yeah. 

681
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,760
Can I ask at this point, is 
there any semblance of like an 

682
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,160
explanation of what's going on 
plot wise in Killer Instinct 

683
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,880
Gold? 
And I asked that in the framing 

684
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,200
that like Killer Instinct 
explains all the characters sort

685
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,080
of with it like their BIOS in 
the manual. 

686
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,200
And one of the things that I 
that first threw me was that so 

687
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,920
spinal in Killer Instinct is 
like 2600 years old. 

688
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,640
OK. 
In Killer Instinct Gold, he's 

689
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,520
600. 
Is it a different spinal? 

690
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,560
I think it's the same Spinal, 
but there's also a bunch of 

691
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,640
references of them being in the 
past. 

692
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,120
And so near as I can piece 
together, it appears that Killer

693
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,960
Instinct Gold is in fact a 
sequel to Killer Instinct. 

694
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,640
That Takes 2 takes place 2000 
years before Killer Instinct. 

695
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,120
Fascinating because the flow of 
time has in fact looped back, 

696
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,440
but I don't really understand 
what's going on beyond that. 

697
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,880
Like that's leave a comment if 
anybody knows. 

698
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,920
I'll be honest, I've never 
played these games before the 

699
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,840
story and I never played them 
enough to get that familiar with

700
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,120
the characters, so I don't have 
an answer, but I'm sure somebody

701
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,680
does. 
Yeah, the manual on Killer 

702
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,800
Instant Gold has exactly 0 
explanation of like what's the 

703
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,800
basis going on here, whereas 
that was more present in the 

704
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,720
first one. 
Yeah, like I don't know what I'm

705
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,080
missing. 
Like, I don't know what I'm 

706
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,600
missing here. 
And I don't know if that's a 

707
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,240
things that were cut out of the 
arcade game that would have 

708
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,800
explained stuff better. 
I don't know. 

709
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,440
But it was definitely this bit 
where I'm just like, OK, this 

710
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,680
is, there's a flow of time thing
going on, I think. 

711
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,480
Yeah. 
At which point I guess I get why

712
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,360
you've got, if you're now 
setting this back and now you 

713
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,280
have I guess still a couple 1000
year old Stonehenge, but less 

714
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,640
old Stonehenge than it would 
then it is now, yeah. 

715
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,320
There's a Spinal Tap somewhere 
in here. 

716
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,960
There's a Spinal Tap too. 
I'm not smart enough to figure 

717
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,400
it out, but Stonehenge Spinal 
make it happen. 

718
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,400
Internet. 
Do you guys have any other 

719
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,400
thoughts on the characters 
before you pick your winner and 

720
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,240
we head to Round 2? 
Are we doing stages separately 

721
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,680
or are we doing like that's part
of character? 

722
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,640
I consider that part of 
presentation. 

723
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,840
I thought we'd get into that 
next. 

724
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,200
OK, OK, cool. 
Yeah, then. 

725
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,040
Then I'm good. 
All right, so we'll let the 

726
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,480
judges take some notes at the 
judges table before heading into

727
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,480
Round 2 presentation. 
So killer instinct and killer 

728
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,600
instinct gold. 
I think that both these games 

729
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,560
like move impressively quickly, 
especially the Super Nintendo 

730
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,400
version. 
I I just think the way that 

731
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,880
attacks chain 1 into the other 
and your character almost looks 

732
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,080
like they're VHS on Fast 
forward, but you're still like 

733
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,120
in control the whole time. 
I think it's like really, 

734
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,280
genuinely thrilling and I really
loved the way that the 

735
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,360
characters move in this series. 
Which would you agree? 

736
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,320
Yes. 
Oh yeah, 100%. 

737
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:44,400
The Killer Instinct sort of 
presentation I think is notably 

738
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,680
worse than Killer Instinct Gold.
And it's not really fair because

739
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,600
Killer Instinct, as Butch 
alluded to, was an arcade port 

740
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,320
of a much more graphically 
powerful game than the Super 

741
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,040
Nintendo could handle. 
So I think they deserve a lot of

742
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,840
credit for making it run as well
as it does on the Super 

743
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,760
Nintendo. 
But I think when you compare it 

744
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,360
to the Nintendo 64 version, 
which is a lot closer to the 

745
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,200
arcade experience, like you get 
bigger characters, the 

746
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,280
backgrounds are fully 3D and 
inner and and you can interact 

747
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,640
with them. 
There's lots of cool effects 

748
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,240
like rainfall and sparks. 
So I kind of think unequivocally

749
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:22,400
Killer Instinct Gold is the 
better game in terms of looks. 

750
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,760
Mike, how do you feel? 
I think killer. 

751
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,240
Instinct, to me is one of the 
worst looking fighting games 

752
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:29,800
we've played. 
Whoa. 

753
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,600
And I think it's because this 
stems out of an arcade game. 

754
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,360
OK. 
And effectively, I get the 

755
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,200
impression that in trying to 
maintain the look of something 

756
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,800
that was done at a much higher 
computing power. 

757
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,200
OK. 
It ends up with something that I

758
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,240
don't think I don't think looks 
good and often felt sort of 

759
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,520
really muddy or or unclear, as 
opposed to other games that sort

760
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,120
of were designed with the visual
limitations they had in mind so 

761
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,360
that things feel a bit cleaner. 
Yeah, I kind of you're saying it

762
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,160
looks like kind of a bad port. 
I mean, I don't feel that way, 

763
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,200
but that's kind of the the vibe 
it was giving you. 

764
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,000
So Killer Instinct Gold, Did it 
do better? 

765
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,160
I I think it did because it was 
what it was working with in 

766
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,000
terms of what it's visual 
capabilities were were close to 

767
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,600
what they were trying to do. 
So rather than in trying to make

768
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,160
it be as close as they could, 
they I don't think they went 

769
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,200
with something that worked with 
the visual limitations they had.

770
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:39,240
OK, I'm curious, what if either 
of you messed with the Nintendo 

771
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,200
Switch online visual settings? 
Cuz I, I, I kind of am with Mike

772
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,560
that like when you booted up 
killer instinct, it's like this 

773
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,960
is harsh on the eyes. 
But I went to the CRT filter and

774
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,360
that smoothed it out and I was 
like, oh, this is what the game 

775
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,920
is supposed to look like. 
Did you play with the CRT filter

776
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,280
on Mike? 
Yeah. 

777
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,840
Oh, OK, not not enough. 
So Butch, you want to talk about

778
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,280
the stages here? 
What's what are you thinking? 

779
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,840
Well, first, First off, I have 
to respectfully disagree with 

780
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Mike OK, on on it just because 
of the fact that like when you 

781
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,000
look at it for the time that it 
came out and being an arcade 

782
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,960
port, I think they did really 
well because even if you look at

783
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,640
games like Mortal Kombat, when 
one came out to home console, it

784
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,240
was OK. 
But like Mortal Kombat 1 on 

785
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:31,280
Super Nintendo was not a good 
looking game at all whatsoever. 

786
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,560
And Sega Genesis was a little 
bit better because he had the 

787
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,320
blood in it. 
But even then it was still 

788
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,080
rough. 
And yes, this was a little bit 

789
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,480
later in the cycle, but I think 
the fact that it had the Super 

790
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,960
FX chip, I feel like they did 
well. 

791
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,600
I think the music is still in 
there very nicely. 

792
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,720
I think the stages are good. 
They're not as beautiful as the 

793
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,520
N64 version because they can't 
be right. 

794
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,400
You have the N64 compared to the
Super Nintendo, but I still 

795
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,640
think it's a more beautiful game
than some of the other fighters,

796
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,400
because the other fighters that 
I like to dub either Mortal 

797
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Kombat or Street Fighter clones 
is they try to look for the 

798
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,480
beauty and then the controls are
sluggish or the controls are 

799
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,480
good, but then everything just 
looks awful. 

800
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,600
And so I feel like this does 
well, especially like you said, 

801
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,400
for the time and like the CRT 
filter does matter because games

802
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,360
nowadays that you're trying to 
play in a high def, they they 

803
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,920
were made specifically to have 
those gaps filled in by the TV, 

804
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,320
right. 
But anyway, going to the stages,

805
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:35,200
this was one of the games where 
like stage pitfalls or being 

806
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,920
killed by the stage actually 
happened. 

807
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,760
Like Mortal Kombat had the pit, 
you know, you could finish them 

808
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,640
by doing the uppercut into the 
pit. 

809
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,440
And then two, you had the code 
for it. 

810
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,240
But this one you could be mid 
combat and somebody could get 

811
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:52,400
knocked off the stage. 
And that didn't really happen in

812
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,000
fighters prior to this. 
Not that I'm aware of anyways, 

813
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,560
like this, having like this, the
the being on top of the 

814
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,520
skyscraper, right and you're 
fighting and then all of a 

815
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,360
sudden you're thrown off onto a 
car, right? 

816
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,160
You you see the person falling 
and then they hit a car on the 

817
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,880
bottom. 
Like that just wasn't in 

818
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,920
fighting games. 
Credit due, that was a nice car.

819
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,400
Was a nice car. 
And that's also the cars that 

820
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,920
the Raptors are running over at 
the end of Riptors ending. 

821
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,360
It's like, yes, someone was 
like, hey, we have this little 

822
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,480
environment we built at the 
bottom of the stage, let's use 

823
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,960
it for a cutscene. 
I was like, yeah. 

824
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,640
It's also the car that Combo 
drives through to show off that 

825
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,920
he's got money again. 
Is it the same car that Jago 

826
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,840
drops as a weird fatality, which
is probably the strangest 

827
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,920
fatality in the game, is like 
this this ninja with this, you 

828
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,120
know, laser sword and these 
hadoukens and he meditates and 

829
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,400
then he drops a car on you. 
Well, I wonder if that's 

830
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,480
supposed to be since you made 
the the comparison to idols and 

831
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,640
being being a spoof for Street 
Fighter. 

832
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,320
I wonder if that's supposed to 
be a spoof for Mortal Kombat 

833
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,040
because Liu Kang had a fatality 
where he'd drop a Mortal Kombat 

834
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,720
cabinet on you. 
So I'm wondering if that was 

835
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,720
kind of like, let's just have 
this ninja drop a car on you. 

836
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,120
It makes as much sense, 
arguably. 

837
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,480
So I thought that the stages in 
Killing String Gold were really 

838
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,120
fun because it's really 
fascinating. 

839
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,000
They characters are 2D sprites, 
but the backgrounds are fully 

840
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,680
3D. 
And so sometimes the, you know, 

841
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,320
fighters will rotate a bit and 
you'll kind of be on a different

842
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,160
plane. 
So at Sabre Wolf's Castle stage,

843
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,200
you can knock your opponent 
through a wall and that opens up

844
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,320
more stage for more horizontal 
access. 

845
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,560
You know, so you were corner 
trapped and yeah, you got kicked

846
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,360
through the wall. 
That hurt. 

847
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,600
But now you got a little bit 
more room to wiggle around. 

848
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,800
I loved the stage. 
ATJ Combo's stage, he's got 

849
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,160
this. 
There's this train going through

850
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,000
the city background and you can 
knock your opponent into 

851
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,960
explosive barrels. 
And I wish it did more damage. 

852
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,000
It doesn't seem to, but like I 
really liked the destructive 

853
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,760
destructible environments that 
really set it apart. 

854
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,560
And I know Street Fighter Two 
did that and I think some Mortal

855
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,960
Kombat games did as well, but 
the fact that the destructible 

856
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,240
environments were in three DI 
think really added a level of 

857
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:20,240
thrill. 
By far my favorite one is Black 

858
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:24,680
Orchid Stage on the rooftop. 
It's a helipad with a helicopter

859
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,600
parked behind you and you can 
uppercut your opponents and they

860
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,120
go clonk. 
They hit the, they hit the, they

861
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,520
hit the stationary helicopter 
blade and it starts spinning. 

862
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,000
And I'm like, that is 
satisfying. 

863
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,360
Yep. 
Oh and we also we would be 

864
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:46,080
remiss to not celebrate the 
announcer the music like this. 

865
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,040
This game has such an iconic 
like sound font. 

866
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,640
That Maximilian dude, one of my 
favorite streamers. 

867
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,920
He recognized this on the 
Nintendo Direct from just a 

868
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,160
couple of notes. 
Like I love killer instinct 

869
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,480
music. 
I love the killer instinct 

870
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,960
announcer and I like how both 
games look. 

871
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,760
But I think, I think gold takes 
the cake on presentation. 

872
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,040
And Mike, you're with me. 
I mean, almost. 

873
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,400
It almost serves as a default, 
yeah. 

874
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,800
OK Dang, he really didn't like 
on Killer. 

875
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Instinct, although I did like 
the music on Killer Instinct. 

876
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Like more than killer instinct 
gold. 

877
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,520
It's the one that had the music 
stuck out to me enough that I 

878
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,920
remember going, I'm liking this 
music. 

879
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,240
Yeah, yeah, I think orchids too.
I mean, they gave you a whole CD

880
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:28,240
for it. 
That's how good it was. 

881
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,920
Well, sorry, we weren't supposed
to announce our winners yet. 

882
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,000
And I would I would agree like 
by default and not because I 

883
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,240
feel like killer instinct is a 
bad game. 

884
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,680
I just gold's on the N64 so it 
does look better, but I do I 

885
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,160
have to agree with Mike, Like 
the music is so much better than

886
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,520
one. 
Like I I having the CD for one, 

887
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,440
I loved it. 
I was like, yes, I listened to 

888
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,720
it. 
I was not disappointed not 

889
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:00,960
having ACD for gold. 
Yeah, I read that there was ACD 

890
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,120
release you could buy 
separately, but it wasn't 

891
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,560
included. 
It's like you're kind of a myth.

892
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,200
Yeah. 
I do also think the Killer 

893
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,960
Instinct gold character models, 
something about like, the heads 

894
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,200
look like 15% too big, 
especially on like the more 

895
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,320
humanoid characters. 
Like there's something weirdly 

896
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,120
like Barbie doll about them that
I think is a little odd. 

897
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,720
And as much as I loved the 3D 
background, did you guys ever 

898
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:27,200
encounter an object from the 3D 
background obscuring your 

899
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,640
camera? 
Yes. 

900
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,920
Yes. 
I was TJ combo stage and it's 

901
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,560
like, it's kind of neat because 
like the camera pans up and 

902
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,960
you're looking down on your 
fighters almost like you're a 

903
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,760
news helicopter. 
I'm like, well, this is kind of 

904
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,280
a cool vibe. 
But then the camera got behind a

905
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,800
street lamp and I could not see 
my fighters and I was like, uh, 

906
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,880
oh. 
So this doesn't seem 

907
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,840
intentional, but you know, I 
love a big swing. 

908
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,520
All right, so then let's get on 
to our final category, the big 

909
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,160
one, gameplay. 
How do we feel about the way 

910
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,760
that these games play 
differently? 

911
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,120
So Butch, your killer instinct 
boy. 

912
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,840
Which is your? 
What's your thoughts on these? 

913
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,040
I'd still I'd have to go with 
the original and I it may be 

914
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:16,920
bias, I don't know. 
I just I feel like gold has a 

915
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,560
little bit more clunkiness to 
it. 

916
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,080
OK, just not not much, right? 
It's not where it's terrible, 

917
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,880
but I feel like input on the 
original is better. 

918
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:33,360
Whereas on here I get a feeling 
where I'm like, because it looks

919
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,400
so good that it's it's a little 
bit performance lag. 

920
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,800
Not, and like I said, not 
anything where it's like God, 

921
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,960
this is awful, but just enough 
where I'm like, I'm having a 

922
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,680
hard time doing regular combos 
rather than even just trying out

923
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,760
the other stuff. 
So you know, that's just my 

924
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,000
feeling on it. 
I feel characters flow better in

925
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,800
the original into 1 from 1 combo
into the next. 

926
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,640
And you know what's strange 
about that is that that was my 

927
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,200
initial impression as well as 
like this feels slow and clunky 

928
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,680
in comparison. 
And then I changed the speed of 

929
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,960
the game to fast and I was like,
oh, this is killer instinct. 

930
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,320
Like this feels as fast as the 
Super Nintendo game and Ultra is

931
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,040
ridiculously fast. 
Like I can't keep up with ultra 

932
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,040
speed on killer instinct Gold. 
But I'm like, why did they make 

933
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,280
the default one one that is 
noticeably slower than the first

934
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,960
game? 
Like I wonder how many people 

935
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,600
rented this and said oh, like 
you know and told their friends,

936
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,560
oh killer instinct Gold is 
slower and never knew to just go

937
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,080
change it. 
Like Mike, did you mess with the

938
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,760
speed settings? 
I did not. 

939
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,080
Yeah, so I mean, I'm gonna guess
you felt that Killerstein gold. 

940
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,360
Well, actually, I don't know. 
What do you think? 

941
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,440
I think as far as the gameplay, 
I think I preferred gold. 

942
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,520
OK, interesting. 
Some of that is or a solid chunk

943
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,080
is controls. 
Some of that might be mitigated 

944
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,720
if I had like an SNES controller
that I was playing with. 

945
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Better D pad. 
Yeah, yeah, to if I if I had D 

946
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,600
pad that might have made some 
difference. 

947
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,880
I think the other thing is just 
the better layout for the 

948
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,680
punching and kicking. 
Yeah, cuz Mike plays on the 

949
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:13,720
actual N64 Switch controller, so
he has the quick, medium and 

950
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:18,840
fierce punch in a row and then 
the kick buttons below them in a

951
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,920
row. 
So it's like the arcade 

952
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,560
essentially layout, which you 
know, the way that I play it, I 

953
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,160
have to have my quick punch and 
quick kit as the shoulder 

954
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,320
buttons. 
But also I never, I'd actually 

955
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,680
didn't mind that so much because
one of the things I love about 

956
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,600
the way this game plays is that 
when you hit your opponent, a 

957
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,640
lot of fighting games will have 
your opponent get knocked down 

958
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,120
or knocked away from you. 
But in Killer Instinct, in both 

959
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,400
games, but especially the first 
game, when you punch an 

960
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,200
opponent, they kind of get stuck
to you a little bit. 

961
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,560
And so you have the second to, 
like, do another attack and 

962
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,120
another attack. 
And so I love the feel of this 

963
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,600
game because I never learned, 
like, I never memorized combos, 

964
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,920
but I could jump in with an 
attack and then kind of pepper 

965
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,000
in hits of the shoulder buttons.
And those quick little attacks 

966
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,080
are kind of filling in the gaps 
between my stronger attacks. 

967
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,680
In every other fighting game 
I've ever played, you have to 

968
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,040
learn combos. 
But Killer Instinct, I feel like

969
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,720
you can kind of make them up as 
you go. 

970
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,240
Are you? 
Yeah. 

971
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:18,160
You like that, Butch? 
Yeah, 100% because like, like 

972
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,680
you said, you can you, you can 
know the combos and you can do 

973
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,560
them. 
But then if you don't, like you 

974
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,240
said, you could pepper in some 
stuff, kind of make up your own,

975
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,720
do some quick jabs and that way 
you don't feel as bad. 

976
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,000
Like with Mortal Kombat 3 where 
they had their combo system, if 

977
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,320
you didn't know the combos, you 
just looked bad. 

978
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,160
Whereas this you could kind of 
make them. 

979
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,800
Yeah. 
The N64 manual makes the point 

980
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,040
that there's millions of combos.
There's a whole bunch of 

981
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,600
different like options of sets 
of attacks that would form a 

982
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,440
combo. 
Yeah, yeah, and it and it feels 

983
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,240
like that because I mean, when 
you button mash in this game, 

984
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,520
combos will start to happen. 
So there must be so many combos 

985
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,360
that you kind of just 
accidentally stumble upon a 

986
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,800
command or something. 
Like right before we played, I 

987
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,440
like you know, did a ultra combo
against Butch and I never 

988
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,320
learned how to do that. 
I was just, you know, But one 

989
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:16,000
thing I definitely miss from the
gameplay going from SNES to N64 

990
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:21,080
is that the Super Nintendo has 
the auto double system where 

991
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,200
every fighter, if you jump in 
with the X attack and then 

992
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,160
follow up when you land with the
B attack. 

993
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,280
So essentially you're rolling 
your thumb from the top of your 

994
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,920
controller to the bottom. 
Every single fighter will launch

995
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,960
into an automatic two hit combo.
And then from there you can, 

996
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,040
like Butch said, start peppering
in things. 

997
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,320
So it was like this kind of, 
hey, we got you for the start of

998
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,520
it. 
No matter what character you 

999
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,440
pick, just learn this one thing 
and you will be competitive. 

1000
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,400
Not competitive enough to beat 
our new friend Dan, who creamed 

1001
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,240
me and Butch and Mike, indeed, 
he was good. 

1002
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,640
I hope you're listening, Dan, 
and I hope you hope you are 

1003
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,000
spending that $30 E shop gift 
card in a way that brings you 

1004
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,560
joy. 
Everybody, don't forget to join 

1005
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,200
the Discord 
www.theoldswitcharoo.com so you 

1006
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,160
can take my money next time 
because it was a lot of fun 

1007
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,680
doing an online tournament on 
Nintendo Switch Online. 

1008
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:21,080
But the killers think gold. 
I think if you take fighting 

1009
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,040
games really seriously, I 
imagine that's the game you'll 

1010
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,800
prefer because you got to learn 
combos for every character. 

1011
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,200
You got to do your fatalities at
the end of a combo that's about 

1012
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,800
to kill your opponent. 
Whereas the first game they do 

1013
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,280
the danger danger and they 
stagger like in Mortal Kombat 

1014
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,320
waiting for you to put in the 
command for fatality. 

1015
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,200
Which like it feels like Super 
Nintendo is more user friendly. 

1016
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,200
And since I'm always of the 
opinion that games are better 

1017
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,160
when more people get to enjoy 
them, I think I I think Super 

1018
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,240
Nintendo feels a bit better to 
play. 

1019
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:59,560
Yep, Did we you guys have any? 
We kind of touched on a couple 

1020
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,960
of the fatalities, but B Orchids
fatality where she like flashes 

1021
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,600
the other character is so, so 
freaking 90s. 

1022
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,720
Oh yeah. 
And and it is sort of funny how 

1023
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:13,920
like if B orchid, if black 
orchid flashes another black 

1024
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,640
orchid, she just gets mad that 
like her boobs aren't as nice, I

1025
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,240
guess. 
Like, I don't really know. 

1026
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:20,920
I don't know what's going on 
there. 

1027
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,840
But like, you know, I was kind 
of excited for killer instinct 

1028
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,080
gold to be adding two new female
characters, but Maya is 

1029
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,000
practically naked. 
So it's like, I don't know if 

1030
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,640
this was good for the cause, but
more. 

1031
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,160
Sex. 
Yeah, we just, you know. 

1032
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,280
So, but did you have a 
preference for the Mortal Kombat

1033
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,400
fatality style finisher or did 
you like how Killer Instinct 

1034
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,320
gold made you attach it to a 
combo? 

1035
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,800
I liked the first one for sure 
because and and and. 

1036
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,160
The reason is I think 1 because 
they're creative but two like it

1037
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,360
goes back into accidentally 
doing something. 

1038
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,480
The first time I ever did an 
ultra combo, it was like a 30 

1039
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,720
hit combo and I don't know how I
did it to this day. 

1040
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,200
It was I was playing Cinder and 
the next thing I know I'm doing 

1041
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,160
it and I'm like how did I do 
this? 

1042
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,120
How? 
How did I do this, you know? 

1043
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,920
Staring at your hands like a 
superhero in a movie, right? 

1044
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:19,560
This strange power, right? 
And so I feel like it just, it 

1045
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,920
makes it more available, I 
think. 

1046
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,000
I think having that system and I
just, yeah, I prefer it. 

1047
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,280
It's, you know, and it may be 
nostalgia to me. 

1048
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,400
I don't know if this was the 
first game. 

1049
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,080
I think this was the first game 
to have a combo breaker system. 

1050
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,240
But like a lot of fighting games
have implemented killer 

1051
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:38,160
Instincts combo breaker system 
because people who take fighting

1052
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,640
games really seriously love to 
string big attacks together. 

1053
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,640
But when you're on the receiving
end of that, it is very 

1054
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,520
demoralizing. 
And like I've played Marvel 

1055
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,840
versus Capcom matches where like
I am not, I'm not touching the 

1056
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,320
controller for like 20 straight 
seconds because they just keep 

1057
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,560
juggling me. 
So I love this game for building

1058
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,600
in a hey, there's an off ramp, 
you know, a combo breaker. 

1059
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,960
You know, our friend Brian, 
always our friend Brian always 

1060
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,920
slips that into a group chat 
when we're doing like a 

1061
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,440
punchline and he like interrupts
it. 

1062
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,840
But I don't know if it was just 
me and I don't know if Butch can

1063
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,080
speak to this, but I, I set the 
combo Breakers to easy on Super 

1064
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,160
Nintendo and I don't feel like I
ever did them. 

1065
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,600
Like I feel like combo Breakers 
were easier to do on the N641. 

1066
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,880
Yeah, Super Nintendo, even 
setting it to easy, it was still

1067
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,320
you still had to time it precise
right? 

1068
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,480
You still had to do it. 
And 1st off, once again, if this

1069
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,640
wasn't the first, which I'm 
pretty sure it was, it 

1070
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,760
definitely was the most famous 
for it. 

1071
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,600
Cause like the phrase you just 
said, right, the combo breaker, 

1072
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,840
there are people that have never
even heard of this game that 

1073
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,400
will say that phrase yeah, 
because it's just that 

1074
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,880
influential. 
And so that definitely I think 

1075
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,040
just speaks to it. 
You know, the fact that even if 

1076
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,360
this isn't the first, it 
definitely was the most famous. 

1077
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,480
But going back to the question, 
yes, I feel like it was easier 

1078
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,120
to pull off in the N64 version. 
I don't know why. 

1079
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,040
I don't know if they need it. 
They they backed off the timing 

1080
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,120
on how precise it needed to be. 
I will say I managed to do it 

1081
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,160
twice to what was his name Dan. 
I managed to get 2 off on him. 

1082
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,840
Nice. 
So that was the highlight for 

1083
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,480
me, really. 
I got two of them. 

1084
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,920
You know, but. 
Still I I feel like it was 

1085
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,080
easier for the N64. 
You hear that, Dan? 

1086
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,960
You fucking sucked him off. 
He mopped the floor with us. 

1087
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,080
Mike, did you? 
Did you mess with Focus training

1088
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,080
on Killer Instinct Gold? 
Because I like this a lot. 

1089
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,320
I did not. 
So killer instant gold added a 

1090
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,440
wonderful training mode where 
you can pick any character and 

1091
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,280
not only will it tell you how to
do their special moves, but it 

1092
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,200
gives you this training dummy, 
this 3D training dummy that will

1093
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,080
only break if you do the move 
correctly. 

1094
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,600
And like there's even they 
invented a whole stage for it. 

1095
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,800
There's a little sensei 
meditating in the background, 

1096
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,840
floating off the ground who says
like pus when you do it 

1097
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,280
properly, but it also teaches 
you all the combos. 

1098
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,680
I wish it had the Super moves in
there because Killer Instinct 

1099
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,240
adds a super bar that you kind 
of fill faster by doing combos. 

1100
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,760
There's nothing that I found 
that was like particularly 

1101
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,320
flashy about the Super movies. 
It was just more like, hey, 

1102
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,480
shoot your fireball. 
But now this one does more 

1103
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,400
damage and shovels a little 
faster. 

1104
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,960
But this is now a staple. 
This is how modern fighting 

1105
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,040
games teach you how to play a 
character. 

1106
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,320
So to see it this far back, you 
know, from the 90s, I was like, 

1107
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,240
whoa, OK, Killer Instinct Gold, 
Killer Instinct 2. 

1108
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,720
Like they were cooking with this
series. 

1109
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,280
So I got to give them credit 
for, you know, in that degree 

1110
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,440
making it easier to learn. 
It was wonderful to not have to 

1111
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,840
pull up a sheet on my phone or 
go to a FAQ to look up the 

1112
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,280
moves. 
I really liked that a lot. 

1113
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,840
All right, well, Ding, Ding, 
Ding, that's the bell. 

1114
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,840
It's time for our judges to make
the final decision in the Killer

1115
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,720
Instinct versus Killer Instinct 
Gold versus match. 

1116
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,440
Let's settle it here. 
First of all, four characters, 

1117
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,440
Killer Instinct Vanilla or 
Killer Instinct Gold? 

1118
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,640
I know Mike likes the Killer 
Instinct characters better, 

1119
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,680
right? 
Mike, you got to go with the 

1120
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,960
Raptor. 
It's more that Killer Instinct 

1121
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,520
gave the characters actual 
character with I think 

1122
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:18,040
especially with both what's in 
the with the character BIOS in 

1123
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,920
the manual combined with the 
different victories for each of 

1124
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,200
them. 
Yeah. 

1125
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,120
And I think just that makes it a
lot more interesting. 

1126
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,560
OK weird aside, the difference 
between that versus Killer 

1127
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:34,200
Instinct gold with Saber Wolf is
in one of them he becomes cured 

1128
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,680
of being a werewolf and in the 
other he basically fully gives 

1129
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,880
in to being a monster. 
Wow. 

1130
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,000
Yeah, weirdly divergent. 
Is gold the one where he gives 

1131
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,240
in? 
Yes. 

1132
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,720
Because that would play into 
your theory that Gold is the 

1133
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,000
prequel. 
Fascinating. 

1134
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,960
And Butch, you know, I feel like
you're never gonna forgive Gold 

1135
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,440
for getting rid of your boy 
Cinder. 

1136
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,400
Right. 
So it's it's a sweep killer 

1137
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,800
instinct, I think has the better
roster. 

1138
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,400
You know, you you remove the 
dinosaur, you remove Johnny 

1139
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,600
Storm. 
You screwed up. 

1140
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,560
Like you cut the wrong 
characters. 

1141
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,120
I don't know, man. 
OK, so presentation Mike and I 

1142
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,880
kind of chimed in already. 
Butch, what do you think? 

1143
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,480
What looks? 
This is this is a toss up to me 

1144
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:23,800
because looks wise, obviously 
the N64, yeah, because it's on 

1145
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,600
the N64. 
Like you can't. 

1146
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,160
It's it's hard for it to 
compete, right? 

1147
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,680
Music wise, the original has it.
Yeah. 

1148
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:37,120
You know, so that's where I'm 
split on it because it's 

1149
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,200
beautiful and I think they're 
both beautiful games. 

1150
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,280
I really do. 
It's just obviously the N64 has 

1151
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,840
more power, but the music to me 
for the the original is just so 

1152
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,160
nostalgic and it's so worth 
listening to even now. 

1153
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,560
You know, I'm sure you could 
stream it somewhere right on 

1154
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,920
some whatever you've got if you 
can't find a copy of the CD. 

1155
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,840
But it's just the music is so 
much better. 

1156
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,800
So I don't know what you want to
call that. 

1157
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,080
It's, you know, looks wise, gold
music original. 

1158
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,680
I don't think it matters cuz 
Mike, you liked killers think 

1159
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,160
gold better by default, cuz you 
thought killers think on the 

1160
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,040
SNES was just ugly. 
And I do gotta give it to gold. 

1161
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,640
I think like we talked about how
cool these character designs are

1162
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,800
to just see them in more detail,
to see them bigger, to see 

1163
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,240
backgrounds with movement and 
interactivity. 

1164
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,720
And yeah, I would say that Butch
is right. 

1165
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,440
I think SNES has a slightly 
better soundtrack, but there's 

1166
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,240
just too many cool graphical 
touches in Gold to not give it 

1167
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,960
to Killer Instinct Gold, which 
is exciting because I mean, it's

1168
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,440
tied up going into the final 
round gameplay. 

1169
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:48,120
I got to give this one to the 
Super Nintendo version. 

1170
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,520
I am just a fan of accessibility
and a game that is open to 

1171
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,800
players who don't normally play 
fighting games, which is 

1172
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,160
fascinating because I think 
that's the reason Mike likes 

1173
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,160
Gold's gameplay better. 
Mike, what do you think? 

1174
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,040
Yeah, I thought gold was more 
accessible. 

1175
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,080
So it all comes down to this, 
Butch. 

1176
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,040
OK, put your love for Cinder 
aside, OK? 

1177
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,560
We know that you don't like half
gore, you like full gore. 

1178
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,800
But he's in both games. 
I had no place to slip that joke

1179
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:19,560
in. 
I've been waiting this whole 

1180
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,400
time. 
That was. 

1181
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:27,320
Awful Butch gameplay. 
Decide the versus match gold or 

1182
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,560
the Killer Instinct vanilla. 
I have to go with the original 

1183
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,600
because of what I said earlier, 
because I feel like it flows 

1184
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,720
better. 
I feel like the combos can flow 

1185
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,000
better and I feel like having 
the quote UN quote fatality 

1186
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:48,200
system just works better right. 
I just, I don't know what it is.

1187
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,240
It feel it just playing them. 
The original feels better to me,

1188
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,400
you know, and that that could 
be, you know, some 100 other 

1189
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,720
people could say, you know, gold
feels better to them. 

1190
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,360
To me the original just feels 
better. 

1191
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,960
Well, that settles it by a hair.
I don't think we could get a 

1192
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,800
closer match than if we tried. 
The official winner of the old 

1193
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,680
Switcheroo Killer Instinct 
versus match is the OG Killer 

1194
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,120
Instinct on the SNES. 
So let us know in the comments 

1195
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,760
if you agree with our verdict, 
especially if you're upset and 

1196
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,200
you're a Killer Instinct gold 
stand, yell at us in the 

1197
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:23,640
comments. 
We could use the engagement. 

1198
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,880
So guys, that brings us to the 
moment of truth. 

1199
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,600
We've covered the joy pros, the 
joy cons, and every bit in 

1200
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,560
between. 
So it's time to declare each 

1201
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,480
game from today's episode as a 
Nintendo or a Nintendo. 

1202
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,320
Don't. 
For me These are both 

1203
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,600
Nintendo's. 
I think personally Killer 

1204
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,720
Instinct is a Super Nintendo. 
I adore this game and I think 

1205
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,840
Killer Instinct Gold is just a 
regular Nintendo. 

1206
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,440
But I feel like try them both 
because as much as they're in 

1207
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,800
the same series, I think you 
might prefer one over the other.

1208
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,160
And so it's worth seeing what 
your personal preference is. 

1209
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:05,520
So I placed Killer Instinct Gold
at #46 on our rankings right 

1210
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:10,000
above Tetris 99 and right below 
Sonic Spin Ball, and the 

1211
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,120
original did a fair bit better. 
I put the Killer Instinct on the

1212
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,720
SNES as my 13th favorite game 
we've covered right below 

1213
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,000
Pokémon Snap and a hair higher 
than F-099. 

1214
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,080
Mike, where did you place these 
games and what's what's your 

1215
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,760
verdict? 
For me, both of them, they're 

1216
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,040
Nintendo's. 
I just I don't find. 

1217
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,680
Really. 
I don't find them at all fun. 

1218
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,440
Mike's not a fighting game guy. 
I. 

1219
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,240
Suppose. 
Even with respect to I think 

1220
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,880
other fighting games, like I 
don't like the feel of this one.

1221
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,120
OK. 
Some of that is, I think, being 

1222
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:46,320
always on the end of combos, 
yeah, and fancier moves. 

1223
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,280
OK. 
Just it wasn't an enjoyable 

1224
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,080
experience with either of the 
games. 

1225
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,800
OK. 
So for me, I ended up putting 

1226
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:01,000
Killer Instinct Gold at 82, 
which puts it right below 

1227
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,840
Fighters history and right above
Doomsday Warrior, and I went 

1228
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,520
back and tried both of those a 
little bit when I was placing 

1229
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,000
these. 
OK, so you you tested it. 

1230
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,120
Yeah, I went back and getting 
kind of compared. 

1231
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,280
Yeah. 
And then Killer Instinct at 89, 

1232
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,840
right below the NES Doctor Mario
and above Legend of Zelda. 

1233
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,080
So you're placing Killer 
Instinct on the SNESA beloved 

1234
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,720
classic below Doomsday Warrior 
I. 

1235
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,720
Think Doomsday Warrior was more 
fun? 

1236
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,400
Wow. 
Wow, Mike, with the hot takes. 

1237
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,840
Blistering hot takes. 
Not, not tremendous, like 

1238
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,960
doomsday warriors down there as 
well, 'cause I don't think it's 

1239
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,680
tremendously fun either, but I 
would. 

1240
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,320
Yeah. 
Wow. 

1241
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,880
That that's that is unique. 
And I think Doomsday Warrior and

1242
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,120
Fighters History both look 
better. 

1243
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,280
Like that was part of what I 
was. 

1244
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,920
They looked better and they felt
better, which was for me, which 

1245
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,400
is what I was checking. 
It's like I'm comparing it to 

1246
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,000
other SNES fighting games of the
time. 

1247
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,520
But I think both of those feel 
more like they were designed for

1248
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,560
the graphical capabilities 
they're working with. 

1249
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,400
I could see the argument for 
fighters history, but saying 

1250
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,200
Doomsday Warrior looks better 
than Killer Instinct is wild. 

1251
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,440
But you know what? 
Yeah, it's it's it's it's do 

1252
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,360
you, Mike, Do you? 
But I need you, buddy. 

1253
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,800
Get in here. 
Yes, I will say that they're 

1254
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,640
both a Nintendo. 
Thank God. 

1255
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,800
The original? 
I would have to agree with you, 

1256
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,760
JMO, that the original is a 
Super Nintendo. 

1257
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:37,560
Yeah, and then Gold is just a 
Nintendo, and in my rankings 

1258
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,400
they barely beat out Spanky's 
Quest. 

1259
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,280
Sorry, I had to drop the 
reference. 

1260
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,520
You guys have been doing it in a
lot of episodes, so I was like, 

1261
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,080
it hasn't been done yet. 
I got to do it in this one. 

1262
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,440
I like to imagine that some 
programmer for Spanky's quest 

1263
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,120
has like, you know, those little
Google or he's like this weird 

1264
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,800
show keeps mentioning Spanky's 
quest. 

1265
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,200
Amazing. 
Well, at last, that brings us to

1266
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,400
our and standings. 
Not Mike, not Jamo, but the and 

1267
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,200
in between. 
Let's take a look at our 

1268
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,600
mathematically average rankings 
for these two games. 

1269
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,520
Mike, where did our combatants 
land in our shared rankings of 

1270
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,920
every retro game available in 
Nintendo Switch Online that 

1271
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,720
we've covered so far? 
I am clenching for this one. 

1272
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,040
I am scared. 
All right, Killer Instinct comes

1273
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:26,600
in at 45th, which puts it just 
below Kirby's Dreamland and 

1274
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:31,040
Punch Out OK, and just above 
Mario Kart Super Circuit. 

1275
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,640
I don't hate that. 
I don't hate that. 

1276
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,320
I mean, obviously I would put it
higher, but those are those are 

1277
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,160
pretty good games, OK. 
And just go on the record. 

1278
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:46,160
I'm pretty sure Punch Out is not
that far down because of me. 

1279
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,800
Yeah, we have different tastes 
in fighting games, don't we? 

1280
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:57,760
Yeah, and then Killer Instinct 
Gold is tied for 58 with 

1281
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:03,520
Solomon's Key, which puts it 
right below Super Mario Brothers

1282
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,920
and right above Doctor Mario 64 
Super Mario Brothers. 

1283
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,680
Oh. 
I thought it was Mario Brothers,

1284
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,760
the weird arcade. 
This is like the original. 

1285
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,520
OK, OK. 
I mean, you know what, I think 

1286
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:21,279
it kind of shook out decently. 
They are both slightly ahead of 

1287
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:25,920
Spanky's quest at 68. 
Spanky's quest bringing up the 

1288
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,200
rear. 
How appropriate. 

1289
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,359
Well guys, we're going to call 
that game over for today. 

1290
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:34,600
Butch, it's always a pleasure to
throw hands with you, at least 

1291
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,240
until you reach for your Dragon 
Morpher before we launch you 

1292
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,920
from the stage. 
Where can listeners go to go? 

1293
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,560
Go to see you Power Ranger. 
On Twitch. 

1294
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:48,240
SSJ 3 Butch As I said during the
Pokémon thing, I am on a bit of 

1295
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:49,880
a hiatus. 
I've got family stuff that's 

1296
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,000
going on that I'm trying to take
care of. 

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01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:55,760
I'm hoping by next fall, this 
upcoming fall, I should say, I 

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01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,720
should be back on a regular 
schedule again. 

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01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,439
So yeah, you should be able to 
find me there. 

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01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,960
SSJ 3 Butch I play Pokémon, I 
play story games. 

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01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,479
We have a good time. 
Come on and check me out. 

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01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,840
We always have a good time and 
actually good time to mention 

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01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,880
that Mike maintains the old 
switcheroo.com, aroo.com and a 

1304
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,359
cool feature on that site is 
that you can sort by guest right

1305
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,560
Mike and anyone can find Butch's
other episodes. 

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01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,240
Yes, you can check out from the 
page for this one. 

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01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,080
You can see all or you can go to
our guest page, find him and all

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01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,120
our other guests, see all the 
episodes he's been. 

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01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:26,960
On you don't get enough credit 
for that site. 

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01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,399
It's super snazzy. 
I love it. 

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01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,560
I really appreciate it. 
Well, that all sounds Northeast.

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01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,720
Excellent. 
Everyone join us next time when 

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01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,880
we'll be rallying the troops for
a Fire Emblem Path of Radiance 

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01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,800
on the GameCube. 
This would normally be the part 

1315
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,560
of the pod where I think Crystal
fields for her incredible intro 

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01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,600
song and tell you all to go to 
www.theoldswitcheroo.com. 

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01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,359
But today, instead of saying 
goodbye to our listeners, I'd 

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01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,160
like to offer a fond and 
heartbreaking farewell to a dear

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01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:57,040
friend of the show, Colleen. 
Most of you last heard her voice

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01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,960
on one of the Pilot Wings 
episode back in Season 3, 

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01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:03,280
Episode 3, but I deeply regret 
to inform you all that a couple 

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01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,160
of months ago, Colleen passed 
away. 

1323
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,880
Her death was not only tragic 
and sudden, but worst of all, 

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01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,840
preventable. 
And as a person with an 

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01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,680
insatiable curiosity and a 
fascination for the macabre, I 

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01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,880
have no doubt she is eagerly 
exploring the world beyond this 

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01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,920
one, where she can once again be
wrapped in a loving embrace of 

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01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,360
her mom and dad. 
And she's soaring in ways that 

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01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:26,880
she could only do in spirit 
before. 

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01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:31,360
But I just want everyone to know
that her legacy that she left in

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01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,080
my life and our lives, it was 
way more beautiful and treasured

1332
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,280
than I think she ever realized 
in our almost 30 years of 

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01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,960
friendship. 
She was the girl that introduced

1334
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,400
me to so many wonderful things, 
Princess Bride, Gargoyles, 

1335
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,280
Freddy Krueger and Firefly in 
the 90s. 

1336
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,480
We would run across the 
playground imitating the 

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01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,600
dinosaurs from Jurassic Park 
with her impressive collection 

1338
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,440
of alien action figures. 
We staged the most epic battles 

1339
01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:57,800
that a backyard had ever seen. 
She taught me how to swim, how 

1340
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,040
to roll D 20s, and it was her 
house I would always sneak off 

1341
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,160
to to play violent games like 
God of War, Twisted Metal, or, 

1342
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,560
of course, Killer Instinct. 
Decades later, my wife and I 

1343
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,840
moved to Los Angeles and it was 
Colleen who made the long drive 

1344
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:15,160
at night to a noisy dance club 
dance club in downtown LA to 

1345
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,400
celebrate Jackie's birthday, 
even though there wasn't a 

1346
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:19,840
single thing about those 
activities that she enjoyed. 

1347
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,120
She was a brilliant artist, a 
sensitive soul, and as a proud 

1348
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,160
trans woman, she had the bravery
to be her authentic self in a 

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01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,520
world that discouraged it time 
and time again. 

1350
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,240
So Colleen, you may not have 
been able to be a part of this 

1351
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,840
episode like we had talked 
about, but your presence was 

1352
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,720
felt nonetheless. 
It always will be. 

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01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:41,040
For that, I'm forever grateful. 
So bye for now dear friends, in 

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01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,080
this life and the next, We love 
you all. 

1355
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,440
The outro is going to be a 
weird, jarring musical tone 

1356
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:01,440
there. 
Why? 

1357
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:11,520
What are you going to put Mike? 
Oh, no, don't do the screw it. 

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01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,600
Colleen would have loved it. 
Do it, Mike. 

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01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:15,320
Bastard.