S4E14: Fire Emblem- Path of Radiance - or- Hitting the Griddy

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My Lord Ike, welcome to the old 
switcheroo where we're talking 

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gaming retro with Mike and Jamo.
I'm Mike. 

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And I'm sorry, I'm Jamo. 
We're the often imitated, never 

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emulated retro gaming podcast 
diving deep into the Nintendo 

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Switch Online Nintendo Classics 
catalog. 

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Today we are fortifying our 
defenses and our friendships 

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with Fire Emblem Path of 
Radiance for the Nintendo 

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GameCube in an episode we are 
calling Hitting the Gritty. 

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If you like what you hear, don't
forget to like, subscribe, and 

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of course, play along. 
Now, Mike, first of all, the 

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gritty. 
Are you familiar? 

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I'm not sure what you're doing. 
It's a viral touchdown dance, 

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but you know the grid E, We're 
hitting the grid E You know 

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what's better than that pun? 
We have recently hit our first 

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500 subscribers on YouTube. 
Congratulations buddy. 

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I think that's proof that we're 
getting plenty of shrugs online,

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but we could definitely use a 
few more buds. 

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Any idea where we can find some 
dank high quality bud? 

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I feel like that had a second 
meaning that I'm not aware of. 

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But yeah, I am very pleased to 
welcome. 

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I think what will be our oldest 
guest feels rude. 

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Most established guest? 
Perhaps Stiltskin from Shrug 

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Buds on Twitch and YouTube. 
Hey, what's up guys? 

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Nice to meet you. 
I'm Rumpelstiltskin from The 

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Fairy Tales, and yeah, I'm, I'm,
I'm cool with you calling me 

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old. 
I, I own it, you know what I 

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mean. 
I'm 5000. 

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In case you're not familiar 
with, you know me, I've been 

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around for quite a while. 
I've seen a lot of things and 

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I'm excited to talk about some 
video games with you guys though

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'cause I love video games 
despite my old age. 

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Believe it or not, I can't get 
enough of them. 

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You people who aren't, you know,
watching on Zoom right now, he 

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has impeccable skin, stilt skin 
that is smooth as butter and 

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kind of green like old butter. 
How do you pull that off? 

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You know, here's the thing, I'm 
immortal so I don't age quite 

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the same and I get heavy amounts
of Botox facelift and I have 

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this beard too which covers up 
my Turkey wobble. 

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What is that called the? 
The Waddle. 

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The waddle. 
Yeah, I you know, I've got a 

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pretty dangly one underneath 
this, but you can't see it. 

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So I think one obvious question 
would be when did you first get 

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exposure to video games? 
Like did you start with like the

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thing that was like pawn but on 
an oscilloscope in like the 60s?

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Or did you get in with gaming 
later? 

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Well, look, I, I, I, I was aware
of that stuff. 

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I even spent a little bit of 
time in Russia with running some

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schemes. 
And so I played some of those 

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weird Soviet games from the 70s,
but I didn't really get 

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captivated by a video game until
I saw the 1st Super Mario 

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Brothers. 
And what, what drew me to it was

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the fact that it's about a small
little guy who eats a mushroom 

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and they gets to step on things.
And I just liked that I, you 

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know, I'm, I'm pretty tiny 
myself. 

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So I really liked the idea of 
stomping on turtles, goombas, 

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what not, you know, that just 
drew me right in. 

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So like, yeah, I was like, I, I 
got to, I got to check this out.

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I became obsessed with that 
stuff. 

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I was a big Nintendo person. 
I this is true. 

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I actually used to draw original
Mario levels in a notebook just 

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for fun. 
And at one point I made a 

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interactive kind of dumb Mario 
game using a transparency, you 

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know, that kind of transparency 
clear paper. 

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I put it over my TV and I 
created a little Mario that I 

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would like jump over the levels 
that I drew on this transparency

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paper when I was just screwing 
around. 

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So that was one of the earliest 
game memories I have was I would

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go over to my cousin's place and
just play tons and tons of 

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Nintendo and it was a great 
time. 

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That's how I know I've been 
teaching for a while, because 

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when I first started, I vividly 
remember having to take those 

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transparencies and like, wash 
them between classes. 

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You know what? 
I mean, yeah, yeah. 

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So the fact that I'm vibing with
you, someone who's thousands of 

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years old, does not make me feel
exactly young. 

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Well, when I got into games 
though, it was funny because I 

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had another cousin who was Sega 
obsessed. 

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He bought every Sega system, 
even the Saturn. 

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He had Sega CD, I think it was 
like the 32X, all of that stuff.

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And he was crazy about GRP GS. 
And one of the first games I 

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remember really enjoying playing
over there was Fantasy *2 and 

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Shining Force 2. 
Like that was kind of my intro 

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into the world of GRP GS. 
I know a lot of people it was 

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Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger 
or something like that, but my 

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introduction was Shining Force 
and Fantasy Star. 

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So since we're talking about 
Fire Emblem today, I think this 

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is like appropriate to mention 
that that was kind of my gateway

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into the GRPG world was like 
these sort of, you know, top 

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down strategy games with 
characters and tactical battles 

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and stuff. 
I really love it. 

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Yeah, and I, I think it's a 
perfect segue. 

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So guys, these mercenaries 
aren't going to accidentally get

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themselves killed. 
Are we ready for player phase 

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start? 
Yes. 

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No I I worded that wrong but 
that's what it says in this game

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at the start of every turn some 
player phase so. 

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Yes. 
Guys, let's March our way into 

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Fire Emblem Path of Radiance for
the Nintendo GameCube. 

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Released in 2005 as described on
Nintendo Switch Online, this 

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installment of the classic 
strategy role-playing series 

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Fire Emblem was released for the
Nintendo GameCube system in 

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2005. 
Fully voiced cutscenes in 3D 

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maps accompany the return of the
brutal battle system, where your

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units are gone for good if they 
fall in a fight. 

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On the continent of Telius 2 
races the human Bjork is how you

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say it still. 
Like the singer? 

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Bjork, the human Bjork and the 
half human Lagos. 

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Which, by the way, I do not love
that they're making me say half 

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human when the game makes it 
clear that that's a slur. 

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Yeah, they do. 
They tell you and. 

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They put that in the description
Stiltskin. 

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Or wait, is it subhuman? 
Subhuman is a slur. 

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You. 
Don't say the full S. 

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Sorry, just bleep that. 
Just bleep that. 

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I didn't say it. 
The Bjork and half human Lagoos 

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have built a history of strife, 
mistrust, and compromise. 

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Now sinister forces emerge from 
the shadows to pit the two 

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groups against each other. 
Follow the protagonist, Ike, and

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a colorful cast of characters as
this grand drama unfolds around 

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them. 
Dark days arise and heck yeah, 

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the human and 1/2. 
Human thing feels like a weird 

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line that's getting drawn 
because they make it a point 

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they're like, well when we say 
human we mean it derogatorily 

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too. 
That's true. 

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How does that then? 
How are you still the logistics 

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of that do not make sense to me 
of how people are offended by 

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things in that context where 
it's like but you're are is this

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like one of these like Jabba, 
you're a wonderful human being 

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things right. 
The offensive of like subhuman 

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is that you're associating them 
with humans. 

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Yeah, yeah, I, I, I get your 
logic. 

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And you know what? 
Stiltskin recently published a 

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video about perspective bias 
when Harvey shrunk all down and 

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could have used that Mario star 
to grow bigger. 

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a 
fun episode, yes. 

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Freaking hilarious. 
But I also realized that I'm 

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like, Can you believe they put 
that slur? 

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But also in the game, human is 
the slur, Yeah. 

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Yeah, that character tells you. 
He's like, if you meet one of my

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people and they refer to you as 
a human, they don't like you, so

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don't trust them. 
I thought that was interesting. 

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Spence can. 
Can I ask a potentially messed 

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up question before we get into 
this game? 

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Absolutely. 
What are you like? 

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That's a good question. 
Pointed ears. 

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Yes, here's the thing. 
I hatched out of an egg. 

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I don't know my family. 
I took a 23andMe once. 

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I've got a little bit of elf, a 
little bit of gnome. 

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I got a lot of little different 
stuff, but yes, as far as I 

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know, I'm just a mythical 
creature that torments people 

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and offers them Faustian 
bargains, you know? 

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Beautiful. 
Glad you're here. 

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What's your favorite Faustian 
bargain? 

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Well, I mean, here's the thing, 
like anything that I get 

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something for, I'm, I'm into, 
you know, so like I'm most 

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famous for the whole like 
spinning straw into gold thing, 

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which I've mentioned before, 
ticks me off because like, it's 

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the one time I screwed up like a
massive failure. 

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I, I'm usually very successful 
in, in all my tricks and 

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whatnot. 
But you know, I've helped some 

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people become president. 
I've helped some people, you 

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know, become celebrities. 
I've helped some people get 

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music careers with my magic. 
So, you know, I've, I've been 

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all over the place. 
Some of your favorite cultural 

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icons, you know, they've given 
me a baby for so it's true. 

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I know you can't name names, but
what does it rhyme with? 

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Let's just say Smell Smith Smith
VO. 

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A certain band from the 90s may 
not have been as popular if they

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didn't give me a first born 
each. 

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Let's just let's just say that. 
All right, well, Speaking of 

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popularity, let's take a look at
the box art, since that was off 

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in people's first impressions 
here. 

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Mike, would you mind describing 
the GameCube box art for our 

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audio listeners? 
So for me, the part that stands 

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out the most is the very cool 
title of Fire Emblem with the 

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fire effects around it. 
Yeah, the the the font. 

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I think that part's not the font
part. 

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It's just it's, it's the shading
on on it. 

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But then we've got Ike Blow 
holding a sword. 

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Kind of stabbing the customer, 
if you think about it like it's 

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going right at us. 
In the bottom right, we've got 

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sort of a long line of Knights 
or soldiers. 

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I can't tell if those are Spears
or banners. 

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I. 
Think they're both? 

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And then a couple characters 
that I am not quite recognizing,

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including like a golden Angel 
looking thing in the background.

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Yeah, those are the heroin 
characters that are pretty 

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central the plot. 
And then in the top left you got

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the villains still skin. 
Are we? 

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Are we feeling this cover? 
I like it OK. 

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I think the arts kind of cool. 
It's got a cool like composition

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and stuff, but it is kind of, 
you know, some of these Grays, 

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not grayscale. 
What is it? 

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Sepia toned? 
People in the background kind of

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blur together. 
It's all right. 

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It's it's not my favorite Fire 
Emblem cover I guess. 

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And and when he says sepia tone 
people just so everyone's clear,

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the whole box art has like a 
kind of a brownish color to it. 

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He's not. 
He's not being weird with the 

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subhuman comments again. 
No, no, it's not racial. 

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For those who listening audio, 
you know, that might have been a

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strange comment without the 
visual, but it's funny that Mike

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likes the actual Fire Emblem 
logo because this was before the

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actual Fire Emblem font had been
established in in Fire Emblem 

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games. 
For the last five or six of 

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them, you've had like this very 
signature sort of tilted Fire 

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Emblem, almost like italics with
an F that kind of evokes a 

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blade. 
And so I don't know, there's 

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something about the GameCube box
art that just to me feels a tad 

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generic, a little kind of like 
bargain bin at Walmart kind of 

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find. 
I don't know if that makes sense

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to you guys, But yeah, I would 
say mid. 

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I'd agree with Stiltskin. 
This feels like also almost just

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like cover of generic anime. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Like it doesn't have the that 

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was awesome. 
I'll tell someone about it 

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Thing, yeah. 100 percent, 100%. 
So got some behind the scenes 

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trivia for Fire Emblem Path of 
Radiance. 

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The games lead developer was 
Toru Nahiro. 

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We enjoyed his work in a 
previous season when we covered 

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Metroid and Kid Icarus on the 
NES. 

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Oh yeah, and we will see him 
again pretty much whenever we 

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cover Fire Emblem. 
This dude has 28 Fire Emblem 

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games under his belt, if you can
believe that. 

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Path of Radiance is specifically
the 9th Fire Emblem game in the 

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series, but it was only the 3rd 
to ever be released in North 

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America and was the first ever 
installment for home consoles, 

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fulfilling a lifelong dream of 
the devs to see Fire Emblem on 

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their television screens. 
Which I thought was kind of 

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funny since I played most of it 
in handheld mode on my Switch. 

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So the game they were so excited
to be on television, I played 

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off television. 
According to an interview with 

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Nintendo Dream, transitioning 
the series to 3D proved 

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extremely challenging for the 
dev team, leading Not a Hero to 

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estimate that the shipped game 
was only about 70% complete. 

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Although, interestingly enough, 
he was referring to elements 

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such as simplified animations 
and cut features like a 

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dedicated battle arena, not the 
story itself. 

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Stiltskin, would you be 
surprised to hear that he 

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considers the game 30% 
unfinished? 

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Well, I can say I've actually 
played quite a few Fire Emblems,

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and I played the Gameboy Advance
one that came out before this. 

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I don't know what the Japanese 
name is, but in America it's 

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just Fire Emblem. 
And the animation, even though 

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it's pixel art is so beautiful. 
Like everything has like such a 

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fluid motion to it. 
When you have the little like 

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there's like a dancer class that
you can like rejuvenate a 

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character and give them an 
additional turn and they like 

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play a flute and they do this 
little like kicking dance 

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motion. 
And I loved watching that 

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animation every single time this
game. 

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What kind of shocked me is that 
the animations are kind of janky

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despite this huge step forward 
for the series. 

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It's 3D, you know, you've got 
these big maps and stuff like 

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that. 
There's a lot of janky little 

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things. 
Like for example, the horses run

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really weird. 
Like both of their front legs 

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move in tandem, which is just 
not how a horse moves. 

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You know, one leg goes in front 
of the other. 

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So it looks really weird have 
this horse kind of running with 

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both legs. 
It's it's hard to describe, but 

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it just looks off. 
Even the way Ike holds his sword

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looks a little strange. 
He's he kind of like is holding 

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it above his head in one hand 
and it's a very stiff animation 

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when he attacks. 
So I, I believe that I, I bet 

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this was a very challenging game
for the team to make. 

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And so I'm not surprised that 
maybe they struggled to get it 

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done on time because this stuff 
is hard. 

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I don't want to sound like a 
spoiled gamer that just like oh 

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this sucks, but I definitely 
felt some rough around the edges

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presentation stuff compared to 
some of the other Fire Emblem 

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games. 
Two parts that both feel related

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to that would be, it's like the 
description mentioned, fully 

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voiced cutscenes of which I feel
like I saw like one or two. 

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There's 6 total. 6 total. 
Most of what I would think of as

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a cutscene wasn't or was not 
wasn't voiced, not wasn't a 

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cutscene. 
Right. 

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And a lot of those were just 
relying on the regular game 

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mechanics to do the animation. 
Right. 

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So that also has me wondering if
part of that animation thing 

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would have been more custom 
animation in the things that I 

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would consider to be cutscenes. 
Because sometimes it didn't 

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really make a difference and 
sometimes it looked a little bit

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weird to try and take like what 
they had as a battle animation 

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and put it into a story plot 
point. 

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Yeah, I I guess for those who 
haven't played it, we should 

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just clarify. 
This game tells its story in 

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essentially 3 different ways. 
One is fully animated, kind of 

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Pixar style full computer 
animation with voice acting, and

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there's six movies of that. 
Then there's story told through 

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the in game engine where you 
actually see the polygonal 

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characters kind of running 
around and interacting and 

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that's looks kind of janky. 
And then most of the story is 

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told in classic Fire Emblem 
style of the two characters, 

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mostly static images on the 
screen and then text boxes. 

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I would also say there's the map
ones. 

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We've got the map and that's. 
True or info? 

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The scrolling text. 
All of Star Wars, Dang it. 

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I love a good map. 
Lots of different narrative that

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was a reference to something. 
I know it was Mike. 

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No, that's just a reference to 
me being a nerd. 

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Okay. 
Wait, you guys are nerds? 

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What am I doing here? 
I didn't. 

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Know the. 
Nerds. 

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No, I'm kidding. 
Come on. 

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You're Yeah. 
Thousands of years old. 

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You used actual maps like that. 
I did. 

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I did, yeah. 
It was hard. 

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It lost super easy. 
There's no thing to Orient to 

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you. 
I guess the sun would be what 

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orients you? 
Got to make a left at the third 

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inverted V What the heck? 
So Speaking of learning things, 

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Path of Radiance offers a series
of tutorial demonstrations 

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hosted by Anna, a light hearted 
redhead who is the closest thing

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the series has to a mascot. 
As she appears in some form or 

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another in almost every single 
Fire Emblem game, she's 

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essentially the only character 
to have a constant presence. 

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Fans on Reddit have speculated 
that she is some form of multi 

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dimensional God, which would 
explain her ability to tease the

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player directly or make 
anachronistic references to 

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aliens and The Simpsons. 
Mike, did you get to did you get

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to these jokes? 
Mike? 

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I do not. 
Believe I did. 

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OK, I just thought they were 
cute. 

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Like, game over, man. 
Game over. 

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I'm like, hey, Anna, I know. 
I know what you're up to. 

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I can say regarding Anna, I was 
shocked when we got to the shop 

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keeps. 
When you finally get a base 

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later in the game, spoiler 
alert, you get access to shops 

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and I was like, oh here comes 
Anna because she's the merchant 

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in so many of these games. 
And then you meet these new 

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characters, there's like 4 
merchants I think. 

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I was like what? 
What? 

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Wait, I thought she was going to
show up. 

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It was very shocking to me so. 
Yeah, that would have been fun 

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to kind of see her as the 
tutorial. 

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And you know, I guess that's her
role in most Fire Emblems is as 

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a merchant. 
Yeah, and sometimes you can 

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recruit her too, so she'll show 
up selling you things on the 

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map, and then in some of them, 
if you talk to her enough, 

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she'll be like, OK, I'll join. 
I got strangely attached to Anna

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because like it was really fun 
the way they did it. 

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Like, you know, the as I'm 
showing the boys on the video 

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here, she'll be like and that 
concludes the tutorial for oh, 

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wait a minute, I forgot 
something like it's very feels 

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like you're actually talking to 
a person and there's one point 

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where she's like, Hey, you got 
through that tutorial and you 

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didn't get sleepy. 
Great job. 

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And I was like, I felt seen Anna
to make this. 

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Point to clarify how this game 
structures everything, because 

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it's at least it's not the 
structure of a game I have 

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played before is this is divided
into chapters. 

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You have a chunk of story where 
you don't do anything and then 

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you have a battle and then you 
have a chunk of story that 

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concludes it and then it goes to
a new chapter and begins again. 

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And when we get those bases, 
that kind of adds a step of 

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chunk of story base, chunk of 
story, I think. 

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Yeah. 
And so it's, it is much more 

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episodic than I had realized it 
would be compared to, you know, 

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open world, move around to your 
next destination or something 

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that's a bit more consistently 
linear without those breaks. 

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And so tutorials apparently 
unlock each chapter and there's 

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a few tutorials that it will go 
like, hey, would you like this 

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tutorial? 
And every time I'm like, yes, I 

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would like that tutorial. 
And then it's something like 

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Chapter 9. 
I discovered that there was a 

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bunch of other tutorials that I 
wasn't aware of because it 

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didn't tell me that they were 
there. 

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Is that under info? 
I believe so, I think. 

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Something like that. 
Yeah. 

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You go into there and then it's 
like, oh, there's a, there's a 

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bunch of tutorials for things 
I've already done that would 

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have been helpful. 
It felt weirdly hidden because 

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when new things would show up, 
most many of the other things 

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would like switch the text 
color. 

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Yeah. 
It's funny because like, the 

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info thing was blinking for me, 
but I never clicked. 

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It was like, I know how to play 
this game, but then later on I 

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was like, you know, nothing 
really taught me how to do that.

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But apparently it was there the 
whole time, I'm guessing. 

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And so last bit of trivia here, 
the foreign Serene's language 

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spoken by the Heron characters 
actually isn't gibberish. 

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Still skin. 
Can you read Serene? 

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I'm rusty. 
Pretty rusty on it. 

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So there actually is a Rosetta 
Stone style key posted to 

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serenesforest.net and if you use
this to translate the foreign 

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text that appears behind the 
menus, it is a perfectly 

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translated segment from 
Shakespeare's Hamlet. 

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Doubt that the stars are fire. 
Doubt that the sun does not 

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move. 
Doubt truth to be a liar, but 

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never doubt. 
I love and I was like, that's in

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the menus hidden behind the 
options and sound tests. 

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I mean you've. 
Never really read Shakespeare 

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until you've read it in the 
original Serene. 

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There you go. 
There you go. 

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I just love find out things. 
That was the thing that MM was 

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bragging about, being able to 
speak Skywalk. 

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What is it, Mike? 
What's the Wookiee language? 

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Shriwalk though I can read 
Arabesh. 

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What is that? 
That is the Star Wars font that 

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gets used. 
So it's just it's mapping of of 

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the letters. 
So it's not it's own language, 

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but it's different script. 
Like on the screens they use. 

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Yes. 
Interesting, interesting. 

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All right, so before we get into
the joy pros and joy cons, let's

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go over our history with the 
game and how far we've gotten. 

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So Stiltskin, you had said that 
Shining Forest and Fantasy Star 

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was sort of your on ramp to Fire
Emblem. 

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What's your history with the 
series and how far have you 

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gotten this game? 
OK, well, I went crazy for these

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games around the 3DS era. 
I'm a huge GRPG guy, really into

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Atlas games to fill in some of 
the gaps. 

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You know, I was into like 
Persona 1 and 2. 

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I had that, that one. 
What is it called? 

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The Persona 2 where you like 
create rumors on the Internet, 

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you get on message boards and it
changes realities. 

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So I was like into these really 
kind of like more esoteric GRP 

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GS and stuff, but I kind of 
missed on a Fire Emblem. 

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Did they make a persona Q Anon? 
It's close. 

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It's Persona Q, but yes, yes. 
But like, you know, I, I had 

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been playing a lot of XCOM and 
things like that. 

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XCOM is a huge strategy game for
me. 

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I really love that. 
And so Fire Emblem had always 

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kind of been on my radar. 
And when they came to three, DSI

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had one of those. 
So I was like, hell yeah. 

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So I got Awakening and I got 
obsessed with that. 

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You could make really funny, 
like relationships. 

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You know how you have the 
support conversations in this 

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where people like fight next to 
each other enough, get these 

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additional scenes? 
Well, if I remember correctly, 

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in Awakenings you can have a kid
together, you can get like weird

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offsprings that come through a 
time portal from the future to 

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the past and join your party. 
So I love playing matchmaker. 

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Like on top of all the strategy 
combat of like, OK, let's get 

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the weirdest combinations we 
can. 

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Like there's a country bumpkin 
character who wears a pot on his

437
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,720
head like a hat. 
So I teamed him up with this 

438
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,960
fancy lady knight who is super 
tough and like, you know, like a

439
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,120
what is it a royal person or 
whatever, and I like seeing them

440
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,120
get married. 
You know, all that stuff was 

441
00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,040
really fun, but I've never 
played this. 

442
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,640
I never had a GameCube. 
So going back to this game was 

443
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,560
really fun to kind of see where 
I think the series sort of like 

444
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,480
became modernized. 
As far as I know, this is the 

445
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,600
first one that had like support 
conversations and some of the 

446
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,480
base management stuff. 
It just seems like a huge step 

447
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,920
forward because a lot of the 
older Fire Emblems, you're like 

448
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,040
just on the map, you know, most 
of the time having your 

449
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,520
interactions and if you want to 
go to the store, the store is 

450
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,480
like actually on the battle map 
and stuff like that. 

451
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,320
This feels like much more like a
modern game of today's world. 

452
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,360
And so then, how far did you get
playing this game for our show? 

453
00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,280
I got about 10 hours because I'm
playing on hard. 

454
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:06,400
So I only got 11 chapters done 
because what I discovered was 

455
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,040
that on hard mode, apparently 
they dump a ton more enemies 

456
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,040
onto the map. 
So some of these areas that I 

457
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,800
guess on regular mode and easy 
are kind of empty or whatever. 

458
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,120
They just like put eight extra 
soldiers that you have to fight.

459
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,040
And of course it's you've got 
the quote UN quote perma death 

460
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,080
going so you can't lose anybody.
And I'm very OCD about this. 

461
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,120
I try to like play the perfect 
match and I like to take my time

462
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,320
with this stuff and really like 
think about my next move and 

463
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,880
everything. 
So I found some of these matches

464
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,120
for me. 
I was really like, you know, 

465
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:39,720
into it. 
I'm scratching my head. 

466
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,840
I'm like, OK, but I, you know, I
could spend like a full hour or 

467
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,160
so, you know, I'm just like one 
fight, you know. 

468
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,240
So it was definitely taking a 
lot more time and, you know, I 

469
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,720
was trying to get as much of 
this done as possible, but I'm 

470
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,600
like, I don't want to rush it 
either because I'm really 

471
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,560
enjoying this. 
So yeah, I got maybe like, you 

472
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,840
know, I, I'm guessing I, there's
like what, 30 chapters or 

473
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,840
something? 
I think I got about 1/3, a 

474
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,360
little over a third in. 
Since we're going to talk about 

475
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,440
like plot stuff anyway, so we're
not too worried about spoilers 

476
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,680
at this point. 
Like plot wise, what are you up 

477
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,480
to? 
We could talk about that stuff. 

478
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,440
I'm not going to ruin it. 
OK? 

479
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:14,880
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

480
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:19,720
So Ike's dad died, and I know, I
know, right? 

481
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,360
And so some of the heavy hitters
on your team leave and he's 

482
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,040
struggling with becoming a 
leader. 

483
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:31,800
And then we meet the beast 
people, the subhumans, as 

484
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,680
they're called, derogatorily. 
And so you're hanging out with 

485
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,240
them, and some of them join me 
up. 

486
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,280
And then I just saved a bunch of
new recruits from like, a prison

487
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,040
where there's this weird guy 
who, like, it's kind of inferred

488
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,480
he's like getting off on 
torturing people in a way that's

489
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,320
kind of unsavory. 
Like, it feels like a little 

490
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,160
ninja scroll. 
But I just beat that, basically.

491
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,600
And we're trying to help the 
Princess Elmesia, what is her 

492
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,280
name? 
Alencia. 

493
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,160
Alencia. 
That's right. 

494
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,040
So that's where I left off. 
But you guys can talk about 

495
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,840
anything beyond that point 
because you know, it's not 

496
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,240
exactly like the things that 
happened in this game are 

497
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,280
shocking exactly plot 
development wise, so. 

498
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,160
So, Mike, I'm gonna guess. 
Well, actually, I don't know. 

499
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,600
You've been chugging away at 
this, Mike. 

500
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,440
How far did you get? 
And I believe I'm correct in 

501
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,440
saying you'd never played a Fire
Emblem before. 

502
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:23,440
I. 
Have not. 

503
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,600
Which certainly meant the 
tactical element was pleasant to

504
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,960
see from. 
That was the part I liked about 

505
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,840
Shining Force. 
When that showed up, I was like,

506
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,160
I have like 10 people, we're not
really limiting me here, right? 

507
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,200
So I had no experience with this
as a franchise. 

508
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,160
I have no qualms. 
I'm playing on the easiest 

509
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:46,160
setting so I have gotten a 
little bit further than 

510
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,320
Stiltskin because the gist of 
this is 1 Kingdom falls, the 

511
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,680
Princess escaped that Kingdom 
and then it's you're trying to 

512
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,800
get her someplace safe. 
So Stiltskin is just at the 

513
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,440
point where you've gotten to the
beast Kingdom. 

514
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,760
On that I have gotten a few 
chapters later which is where 

515
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,360
you basically get on a boat and 
get to another Kingdom to hope 

516
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:08,720
that they will help. 
So I'm at like chapter like 14 

517
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,920
or something. 
Yeah, you're about the halfway 

518
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,400
point. 
Yeah, about as much time as 

519
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,240
Stillskin has in it, it sounds 
like. 

520
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,200
But I am playing on easy so. 
Well, I also played on easy 

521
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,200
because to read the description 
of it, it seemed like it was 

522
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,120
just that easy is going to give 
you tutorials and it says like, 

523
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,040
oh, if you don't want the 
tutorials, play on medium. 

524
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,960
I'm like, well, OK, so I also 
played on easy. 

525
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,040
I had not had a ton of Fire 
Emblem experience. 

526
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,880
I'd messed around with the 
mobile iPhone version Fire 

527
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,960
Emblem Heroes, but the gotcha 
mechanics and that are so 

528
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,040
aggressive that I was like, I 
don't want to devote a ton of 

529
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,320
time to that. 
I played Three Houses on the 

530
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,080
Switch, but then I loaned that 
to a friend who stopped hanging 

531
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,960
out with my friend group, so 
that's unfortunate. 

532
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,600
Oh no, you got to get it back. 
That's a great game. 

533
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,560
I think I can get it back, but I
don't know if I'm as tempted 

534
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,480
after playing this game. 
We'll get into that later, but 

535
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,200
there's some things that this 
game did that I wish Three 

536
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,960
Houses had done. 
But this is the first Fire 

537
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,280
Emblem game on which I ever 
locked in, as the kids would 

538
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,600
say. 
And I'm pretty proud to say that

539
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,640
after moderate use of Safe 
States on Nintendo Classics, 29 

540
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,240
hours and 39 minutes later, I 
nintended beat Path of Radiance 

541
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,640
last night. 
Wow. 

542
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,840
Nintendo Family computer, Mike. 
I couldn't find my phone, so 

543
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,400
that's all right. 
Congratulations. 

544
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,640
Thank you. 
Thank you. 

545
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,200
And also I will note because I 
get a lot of grief for using 

546
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,040
rewinds. 
GameCube emulator on Switch 2 

547
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,360
does not have rewind, it has 
safe states. 

548
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,720
So I am guilty of what I'm 
guessing Stiltskin did where 

549
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,400
it's like okay save state, 
person died not on my watch, 

550
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,280
reload that save state we're 
doing that again. 

551
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,480
I. 
Kept forgetting. 

552
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,320
I kept forgetting to do. 
I had to restart some of the 

553
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,120
fights from scratch because I 
just wasn't happy about how they

554
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,640
were going. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

555
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,040
Yeah, You know, I wish there was
rewind sometimes because I'd be 

556
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,400
like, oh crap, I should have 
done a safe state. 

557
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,360
I didn't. 
And there's also sometimes you 

558
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,080
just miss click and you're like,
well, that's not really my 

559
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,960
fault. 
I mean, I guess it is 

560
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,920
technically I was. 
Going to say, in a turn based 

561
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,840
game I don't really think that 
there's a distinction between 

562
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,160
rewind and save state other than
you have to like have an extra 

563
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,640
button click, but it's not 
mechanically changing much. 

564
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,200
Yeah, it's just to constantly be
making safe states kind of sucks

565
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,600
the fun out of it. 
Yeah, I did at some point just 

566
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,840
decide, well, this is going so 
badly, I'd like to see what 

567
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,400
happens when I, like, lose, 
lose. 

568
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,720
Yeah, because it's like I've got
a saved game. 

569
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,720
I'll go back to that. 
Well, let's, let's see what 

570
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,200
happens if I kind of let the 
party get wiped. 

571
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,840
Oh. 
My God. 

572
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,440
I was going to bring that up. 
Did any of you lose a character 

573
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,240
and watch the cutscene that 
happens? 

574
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,880
Well, you mean the little text? 
Box yes, yes, there are like, 

575
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,240
you know, the little plot scene,
because we always call it perma 

576
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,400
death. 
Everyone's always like, oh, 

577
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,360
those games have perma death. 
But I think it's kind of funny 

578
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,320
that they don't die. 
They're just like, oh, I messed 

579
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,720
up. 
And like Ike is like, OK, go 

580
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,200
relax. 
And then you get a cutscene 

581
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,160
where they're like, yeah, I 
really blew it, huh? 

582
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,280
Like after they're like, I guess
I'll still travel with you, but 

583
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,960
I can't fight anymore. 
So it's not really perma death. 

584
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,840
It's like they kind of take a 
break or something. 

585
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,040
I feel like I got a perman death
I the implication was they were 

586
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,080
dead. 
Really. 

587
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,960
What's, well, what Stiltskin's 
referring to is that story 

588
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,400
essential characters will go 
owee and just rest for the rest 

589
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,240
of the game and be like, I'm 
embarrassed I can't go fight 

590
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,560
anymore. 
But the side characters who are 

591
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,000
not essential to the story will 
absolutely beef it and beef it 

592
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,320
permanently. 
I lost quite a few, I think. 

593
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,000
Wow. 
Yeah, yeah. 

594
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,000
I lost like 12 people to get to 
the end of this game. 

595
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,560
But so, Stiltskin, you know, 
you've seen a lot of people die 

596
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,120
thousands of years. 
Of course, you've gone from the 

597
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,680
cup and ball. 
And out of all of the games to 

598
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,360
choose from, you chose Path of 
Radiance. 

599
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,120
So can you lead us on a 
discussion of the Joy Pros? 

600
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,560
What do you like about this game
that you haven't mentioned 

601
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,760
already? 
OK, well you know, what I like 

602
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,360
about these games is I think 
even though the plots aren't 

603
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,120
that mind blowing, I think they 
incorporate the game mechanics 

604
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,360
into the story in a way that's 
kind of underrated. 

605
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,880
Like for example in this game, 
you know, you don't have access 

606
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,640
to a base or your money or any 
of those extra mechanics where 

607
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,240
you can outfit people or give 
them extra XP because you're 

608
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,360
just a kid working for your dad 
and his mercenary group. 

609
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,640
So I think for like the first 
like 8 missions or something, 

610
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,600
you're just kind of going along 
with the flow. 

611
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,520
And even though they let you 
command things and stuff like 

612
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,120
that, you're still kind of like 
not in charge. 

613
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,120
So when your dad dies and you 
get to take over, it's sort of 

614
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,320
like they introduce all these 
new game mechanics all at once. 

615
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,240
And I think that's really 
exciting and cool. 

616
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,040
And even for example, you've got
those characters. 

617
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,080
I think his name is Shannon and 
Gettry. 

618
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,120
Yeah, yeah. 
There's like the heavy guy with 

619
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,400
the spear and the the serious 
armor and then a really good 

620
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,640
Archer who can take serious 
damage and dish it out too. 

621
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,280
And so in the early going, when 
your characters are weaker, 

622
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,120
especially on hard, you kind of 
rely on those units to sort of 

623
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,360
carry the weaker ones and stuff.
So when it got to the point 

624
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,760
where those characters quit 
because you're just a kid taking

625
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,680
over the group, the mercenary 
group, and that actually hit me 

626
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,240
hard because I was like, well, 
fuck, I I rely on those guys to 

627
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,760
get through missions, you know 
what I mean? 

628
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,640
I like that fusion of 
storytelling and strategy 

629
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,480
mechanics where something will 
happen in the story and it's 

630
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,760
like, oh, OK, I've got to play 
differently now. 

631
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,360
I think that's something that 
you don't always see in a lot of

632
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,160
JRPGS or even some strategy 
games where I think that the 

633
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,960
storytelling and the strategy 
stuff is a little bit more 

634
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,920
separated or something. 
And this is just so cool. 

635
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,200
I, I just like it. 
It's like every time you get one

636
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,440
of these games, it's like you 
get a little anime series that 

637
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,800
you can like watch for 30 hours 
or something. 

638
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,480
Tons of characters and like lots
of little moments and side 

639
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,440
things and stuff and side 
adventures. 

640
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,640
It's just so rich that I when 
you get a good Fire Emblem, it's

641
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,040
easy to get sucked in and that's
what I love about these games. 

642
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,600
I. 
Do see your point with that sort

643
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,760
of forcing you to rethink 
things? 

644
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,520
Because I think to me the bigger
loss out of those two is losing 

645
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,040
an Archer because I'm like that.
That was my one range dude at 

646
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,480
that time. 
Yeah. 

647
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:34,280
And because the game gives a lot
of options, it seems in terms of

648
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,200
who you're picking. 
And it has, I think this is the 

649
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,880
first game we've covered on the 
show that has character 

650
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,440
experience, but also has bonus 
experience that you can allocate

651
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,880
how you want. 
That really allowed me to go, 

652
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:54,240
oh, I need range because that's 
that works well with my play 

653
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,280
style. 
I am going to invest to make 

654
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,280
sure that I get ranged or 
characters upgrading in class 

655
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,600
and you get to choose like what 
other weapon I'm like, oh, I 

656
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,760
would like another person that 
can use a bow please. 

657
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,520
Really I just want everyone to 
have bows. 

658
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,280
Yeah. 
And that really did allow it to 

659
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,639
customize to how I wanted to 
play it, but in response to how 

660
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,080
it was pushing me to have to 
shift around. 

661
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:21,199
I think what's so cool about 
this game, and I would guess the

662
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,960
whole series based on how 
Stiltskin is talking, is that I 

663
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,440
was so invested in these 
characters on multiple, and I 

664
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,639
mean that in multiple ways. 1, I
feel like all the characters are

665
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:38,360
so well written. 
They feel very complex and like 

666
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,239
Soren, the little mage friend 
who like Soren. 

667
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,400
Yeah. 
And he's an A hole. 

668
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,440
And everyone's like he's Soren. 
Stop being such an A hole. 

669
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,440
And he's like, what? 
I'm just saying the facts. 

670
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,960
It kind of reminded me of a 
neurodivergent character who 

671
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,920
doesn't understand why you can't
just be completely honest. 

672
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,080
Shouldn't we all be is life or 
death? 

673
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,800
I'm going to tell you who is 
useless out there. 

674
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,200
And and so my heart broke when 
Soren went down in battle and I 

675
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,480
was so relieved when he went 
ouchy. 

676
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,720
I'm going to head back. 
OK, good. 

677
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,840
You're still hanging around. 
I'm glad you didn't beef it 

678
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,840
permanently, Soren. 
But so then to have these 

679
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,840
characters that you get so 
attached to because of the 

680
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,400
writing being so good, and then 
they're out there on the 

681
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,040
battlefield and they're 
permanently dying. 

682
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:30,240
I felt a panic in my chest. 
When the enemy, the enemy AI, 

683
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,760
they're real a holes in this 
game. 

684
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,960
They will, they will zero in on 
every mistake you make. 

685
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,680
If you leave a gap in your 
defenses so they can run through

686
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,600
and attack your healer, they are
all going to do that. 

687
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,920
And you sit back going please 
dodge, please dodge, please 

688
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,000
dodge. 
You know, and, and praying that 

689
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,600
your that your paladin will make
it through. 

690
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,400
And I can't think of any other 
RPG I've played where I got that

691
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,240
level of emotional investment. 
Still skin. 

692
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,720
Does it? 
Does it hit you in the fields? 

693
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,760
Yes, and I'm not trying to be 
gatekeeper or something because 

694
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,800
I think anybody should play any 
game the way they want. 

695
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,640
But I do think at some point if 
you like this and once you have 

696
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,560
a Fire Emblem under your belt, 
go in on hard mode because that 

697
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,880
feeling you're describing gets 
amplified times 20. 

698
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,720
You, you become so protective of
your people. 

699
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,840
You're just like, fuck no. 
And like if you think they're 

700
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,320
nasty, uneasy, they are so 
scummy On hard. 

701
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,120
I had, I had some of the enemies
surprise me. 

702
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,760
I had a couple enemies run away 
from me and go heal in the 

703
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,360
corner of the map. 
And I'm like, you just get back 

704
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,440
here. 
That's so cowardly. 

705
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,000
But I love how selfish and real 
it is. 

706
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,120
You know, it's like, that's 
really what they should do. 

707
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,160
But that level of stress you 
feel, that emotional attachment,

708
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,040
I think becomes even more 
extreme on the hard mode. 

709
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,440
And like, when you have the 
victories, though, you also feel

710
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,200
like I really accomplished 
something. 

711
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,600
I got through. 
I didn't lose anybody. 

712
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,760
And Shannon's little check in 
with you at the end where he's 

713
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,000
like, nobody died. 
That just feels really good to 

714
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,440
be like, OK, I got through. 
It's fine. 

715
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,480
Titania carried us once again. 
Great. 

716
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,280
It wasn't from the first time I 
got one of those very early on 

717
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,040
was right when I lost someone. 
From then on it just felt 

718
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,880
passive aggressive every time. 
They yeah, no one died this 

719
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,080
time. 
Yeah. 

720
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,520
You guys remember the first one 
you lost? 

721
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,680
Mine was Ralph the Rolf, the 
little Archer boy. 

722
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,960
And like, he's like he's 10 if 
he's a day, like he's not old at

723
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,920
all. 
And so that one felt bad. 

724
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,080
He was like missed your little 
sister's little friend from 

725
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,200
school. 
That's the first one I lost. 

726
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,800
Do you guys remember which ones?
I lost his brother, the one with

727
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,560
the axe. 
Boyd. 

728
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Yeah. 
Yeah, OK, Boyd, you know, he's 

729
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,680
kind of a frontline character, 
but at the beginning he's kind 

730
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,960
of squishy. 
He doesn't quite have the stats.

731
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,320
And of course the the leveling 
up system in these games can be 

732
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,640
very brutal because the stats 
that increase are completely 

733
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,880
random. 
And sometimes one time I had a 

734
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,000
level up where no stats were 
increased. 

735
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,240
But that's something I won't re 
roll. 

736
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,400
I know some people they sit 
there and they like re roll a 

737
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,040
level up over and over again. 
I'm like, OK, I think that's 

738
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,360
cheating. 
That's too far. 

739
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,440
That's too far, yeah. 
But if I lose somebody on hard 

740
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,240
mode, I'm like, OK, I got to 
restart because I got to get 

741
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,600
through this with everybody and 
check because you there are 

742
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,640
certain fights where you're 
like, I cannot survive without 

743
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,960
Boyd. 
I need a good axe guy to get me 

744
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,400
through the rest of the game. 
And if I don't have him, I'm 

745
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,760
screwed. 
So that that really gets me 

746
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,520
invested in how the battles go 
in a special way. 

747
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,280
But yeah, Boyd was the guy that 
died the most for me. 

748
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,720
I'd be like, oh God damn it. 
Like, because I always have him 

749
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,680
out front, you know, like I need
him there. 

750
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,560
So that was that was partially 
all almost why I was like, well,

751
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,600
that's happened and I'm going to
just accept it because I was 

752
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,840
like, I don't know how to, I 
couldn't figure out how to 

753
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,520
utilize him right, because it's 
like he is very squishy and it's

754
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,000
like, and he kept not doing much
damage or missing. 

755
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,520
And some of it may have played 
differently if I'd found the 

756
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,760
guides at that point, because 
there's some stuff that was 

757
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,600
explained to me is like, Oh, I 
did not know I could be how to 

758
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,520
interpret the stats. 
That's that specifically because

759
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,400
I somehow missed that those were
adding new ones. 

760
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,920
Yeah, Boyd was the one that hurt
the most for me because he's, I 

761
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,240
think maybe the first or second 
person, whoever joins your team.

762
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,960
And in my playthrough, he made 
it to the second to last level 

763
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,520
of the game. 
And I was like, oh, God, they 

764
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,280
got buoyed. 
And then what followed was like 

765
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,320
a series of three devastating 
losses. 

766
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,760
It was like end game when 
everyone starts turning to dust 

767
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:38,480
and I'm just like, we have to 
make it through this, and we 

768
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,920
are. 
And and, you know, I try to beat

769
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,480
every game for the show. 
So I was really under the wire. 

770
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,120
Like I was playing this thing a 
lot on the plane back from 

771
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,760
Indiana. 
You know, I was up late at night

772
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,440
being like, I gotta get it in 30
hours. 

773
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,880
It was a lot. 
But I can't say, Can't say I 

774
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,400
regret it in the slightest. 
When I lost miss, that was when 

775
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,040
I just went like OK, we're just 
gonna let this go party wipe cuz

776
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,520
that feels like it's gonna be a 
big problem. 

777
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,320
Yeah, the most devastating loss 
for me was racing. 

778
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,000
So still I don't think you've 
gotten to. 

779
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,640
Have you gotten to the point 
where the Heron or Angel like 

780
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,200
characters join? 
No, I have not. 

781
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:14,880
So one of them is really 
interesting tactically because 

782
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,880
they can do zero damage, but 
their whole ability is to grant 

783
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,080
an extra turn. 
To any. 

784
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,200
Any unit you want, and they're 
lagoos, so when they turn into 

785
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,160
their animal form it will grant 
an extra turn to every character

786
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,720
around them. 
Whoa. 

787
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,800
OK, Yeah. 
And it was huge. 

788
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,440
And when he went down, I was 
like, this game just got so much

789
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,640
harder, you know, but, but you 
know, I just, I, I freaking 

790
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:47,800
love, I love how I, I think the 
battles are perfectly paced in 

791
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,720
that when someone goes down, 
you're like, well, this battle 

792
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,920
took 20 minutes. 
I'm not just going to restart. 

793
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,480
I'm going to eat that loss. 
But also they're just long 

794
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,240
enough that it, like you said, 
it really feels like an 

795
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,320
accomplishment. 
You feel like you went through 

796
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,800
something when you survive and 
no one gets, you know, 

797
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,800
devastated or or or or even when
people do. 

798
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,840
So I I'm a big fan of the 
combat. 

799
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,960
So still, can you play other 
Fire Emblems? 

800
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,160
How does the actual combat 
compare? 

801
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,600
Well I'm glad you mentioned that
because I'm a little old school 

802
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,720
in that I prefer the weapons 
triangle. 

803
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,720
That's something they've kind of
like simplified for newer games,

804
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,800
not counting Fire Emblem Engage,
which is kind of like a 

805
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,480
throwback, a fan service game or
something. 

806
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,480
But I think starting with the 
3DS, maybe I'm wrong. 

807
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,320
I can't remember when they lost 
it, but for Three Houses it 

808
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,640
doesn't have the same impact 
anymore. 

809
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,720
Where is to me, I like the 
almost chess like element of 

810
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,360
this where it's like, OK, I have
a spear person here. 

811
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,000
They're going to be able to take
those people coming at me 

812
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,240
because they've got a spear. 
I like knowing where to position

813
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:56,280
my enemies based on what weapons
they have and who's in attack 

814
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,240
range. 
So to me, that's such a a huge 

815
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:01,720
part of the strategy that as 
much as I love Three Houses, I 

816
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,960
kind of like, I'm a little like,
God, bring the weapons triangle 

817
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,360
back, or at least give me the 
option to turn it on because I 

818
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,840
just really like that element to
the combat. 

819
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,440
Yeah, and, and the fact that it 
plays so precisely on the grid, 

820
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,720
I think makes this feel way more
fair and like you said, more 

821
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:20,600
like chess. 
Like I love how you click on any

822
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,720
given enemy and it shows you 
exactly their range. 

823
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,440
Although screw the ballistas. 
Have you guys gotten to one of 

824
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,520
the levels where the enemy has 
ballistas that could shoot 

825
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,040
across the whole map? 
No, but I know I know what to 

826
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,880
expect. 
It's brutal. 

827
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,800
You have. 
To get to that ballista so fast,

828
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,080
too, right? 
Yeah. 

829
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,440
Can you take it over in this 
game? 

830
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,360
No, but they're my Oh my Mike, 
can you? 

831
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,960
You're making a face. 
The guy, the training guy 

832
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,760
implied that you could, that 
it's just whoever, whoever is 

833
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,200
there can use it. 
Dang it, I wish. 

834
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,640
That is really fun. 
It's like you're like at the 

835
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,160
beginning of the match you're 
like, oh fuck, I got to get over

836
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,520
there quick so I can get the 
ballista and then I can use it 

837
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,360
on the enemy. 
That's that's pretty awesome. 

838
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,360
Ho ho, now I have a ballista. 
Exactly. 

839
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,880
Yeah, yeah. 
The best map of the game is this

840
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,520
peak fighting on the side of a 
mountain, and there's two paths 

841
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,520
up the mountain and along the 
path, the narrow pathway, are 

842
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,200
enemies with boulders. 
And they will knock the boulder 

843
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,720
down the path and it will roll 
and it will take down anyone in 

844
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,720
its path and enemies in its 
path, right? 

845
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,240
So there's that level of like, 
OK, I'm going to hug the wall, 

846
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:36,360
OK, one at a time. 
But what's great is that once 

847
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,560
you get to the top, there's 
still enemies you need to defeat

848
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,320
on the other path you didn't 
take. 

849
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,600
So you just knock the boulders 
and it's like, I don't know if 

850
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,400
anyone ever played Escape from 
Fireball Island or whatever. 

851
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,640
That marble rolling game, my 
Strauss family favorite, It was 

852
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,400
so satisfying. 
So guys, of the levels you've 

853
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,440
played, any standouts, any 
standout battles that you 

854
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,640
thought were really interesting?
Because I appreciate how they 

855
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,680
guided you within the story was 
a little still skin. 

856
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,560
We'll reach this shortly and 
he'll see the same stuff. 

857
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,040
There's a battle that takes 
place on three boats. 

858
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,720
Yeah. 
Where you are basically coming 

859
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:20,320
in to reinforce one of the ships
and the other two ships. 

860
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,320
There are three pathways 
connecting them. 

861
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,440
And like 2 chapters earlier in 
one of these conversations at 

862
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,240
base with random dude, which is 
like, hey, you don't. 

863
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,360
You don't know who I am. 
What would you do in this 

864
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,240
situation? 
And it turns out that he's like 

865
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:40,000
the twin brother of one of the 
other merchants. 

866
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,920
OK. 
And it's like they're playing 

867
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,400
some war game and it's basically
this whole discussion of like, 

868
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,880
oh, So what I would do is put my
strongest units, my my strongest

869
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,000
units to block the bridges so 
that I can maintain control of 

870
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,280
those points. 
And then if I don't attack, I'm 

871
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,480
not dealing with counter 
attacks. 

872
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,760
So I'm taking they're taking 
less damage and I can have range

873
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,000
attacks coming from either magic
or arrows behind. 

874
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,200
And it's like, that all makes 
sense side bit and like 2 

875
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,000
chapters later I see that said, 
I'm like, oh, you guys put this 

876
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,760
in here so that someone would 
have that and if they're stuck, 

877
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,520
hopefully they'd remember. 
Oh, the game explained A tactic 

878
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,360
to use here because you just put
your tankiest units there and 

879
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,040
then you can have anyone else 
that's weaker in the background 

880
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:25,880
attacking. 
And they were. 

881
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,280
They're all pretty much safe. 
That's really funny. 

882
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,600
The game taught you something 
just through this random 

883
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,520
conversation. 
Yeah. 

884
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,400
Yeah, yeah, they put, they just 
planted a few chapters earlier 

885
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,600
so that it's, and it's a fully 
optional, you know, going into 

886
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,520
the conversations you can have 
at the base. 

887
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,920
Yeah. 
That kind of world building is 

888
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,360
like why I think this is the top
tier strategy game franchise, at

889
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,960
least coming out of Japan, you 
know, not counting PC stuff or 

890
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,440
whatever. 
It's just like what you're 

891
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,880
talking about. 
You can just have these little 

892
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,160
rich interactions that it's so 
seamless, the way it blends 

893
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,240
together. 
Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to 

894
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,000
cut you off. 
I just was trying to piggyback 

895
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,080
on I, yeah, I love it. 
Well, and what what I think is 

896
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,760
really special about this game 
is the number of ways that it 

897
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,480
kind of, like you said, you 
know, sort of immerses you in it

898
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,480
and it's sort of seamless and 
you almost don't really even 

899
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,480
notice it. 
And that continues to some of 

900
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,920
the more interesting encounters.
There's a battle that is nigh 

901
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,800
unwinnable, but it's mentioned 
that one of your units was a 

902
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,960
childhood friend with the boss 
character. 

903
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,040
And so your unit is like, if I 
can just talk to him, maybe we 

904
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,680
can resolve this peacefully. 
And the whole game's theme is 

905
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,720
about how war is really terrible
and violence isn't really 

906
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:42,640
necessary. 
And so if you can get that 

907
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,880
character to the boss character 
and and you can talk to people 

908
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,280
on the battlefield and anytime 
you can have two allies talk to 

909
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,080
each other. 
And apparently in future games 

910
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,880
still, it's because they want to
have a baby if they talk to each

911
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,640
other in the battle a lot. 
But but that's that's everyone's

912
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,240
favorite moment in the Marvel 
movie is like when Iron Man and 

913
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:01,440
Spider Man look at each other 
and they say something snarky in

914
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,920
the middle of a battle. 
And it's like, hell yeah, you 

915
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,000
know, So you can also walk into 
open doors. 

916
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,600
There's little huts and houses 
and you know yeah, rooms in the 

917
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,720
castle and who you send into the
private domicile effects what 

918
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:18,680
happens inside. 
So like, if you're in a town 

919
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,640
that's known to be racist, don't
send your lagoose character 

920
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,560
because the person will not 
treat them nicely, you know, and

921
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,120
it's just they. 
Might not give you an item they.

922
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,880
Might not give you an item. 
Yeah, I met the grandfather of 

923
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,080
some random soldier I killed on 
the battlefield and he like, 

924
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,360
called out my character. 
Like you're the one who killed 

925
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,040
my son out there. 
Like, Oh my God. 

926
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,920
You know, there are so many 
interesting interactions in the 

927
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,440
battles that really make this 
feel like a lived in world. 

928
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,960
It was. 
Interesting to be like to do for

929
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,960
that talk feature also because 
the way that you can recruit 

930
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,280
people that way. 
Yeah. 

931
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,400
Which actually leads me to 
wanting to ask, the first time 

932
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:05,680
you see a unit that's not an 
enemy unit is I think like 

933
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:11,000
there's a boat with pirates or 
something and there's a like a 

934
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,320
one of those Pegasus units or 
something that comes in and 

935
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,240
hasn't dialogue with pirate. 
Is that a recruitable character?

936
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,920
Yes, but you needed to talk to 
her earlier. 

937
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,440
Oh, like on the battlefield? 
Yeah, I talked to her the first 

938
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,360
time and she didn't join. 
I was like what the heck. 

939
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,840
And then she came back like 5 
missions later or something. 

940
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,400
Was like I've been looking for 
you, I'm here to help. 

941
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,800
You shot your shot, all right. 
I was curious because I think 

942
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,880
it's, I had not found out how 
the talk thing really works at 

943
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,520
that point. 
And it wasn't until like 

944
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,280
chapters later, because I think 
what had thrown me was the 

945
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,440
option to talk varies depending 
on which character. 

946
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:54,600
And so it can be that only, you 
know, only Ike has to go talk to

947
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,360
this person because other people
won't, or in some cases, someone

948
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,040
else can also have that 
conversation. 

949
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,720
Yeah, like when you're in the 
jail thing that I just did, I 

950
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:07,560
couldn't get the talk option to 
pop up for like a mounted unit 

951
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,120
or something that was in jail, 
and then I figured out you had 

952
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,560
to get the other mounted unit to
talk to him. 

953
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,160
I'm like, how the heck was I 
supposed to know that? 

954
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,800
I just guessed. 
It's kind of silly, but I do 

955
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,640
like those little details. 
It really makes it feel real and

956
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,120
more detailed. 
And I think that same 1 you 

957
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,360
mentioned with the Pegasus unit,
it's hilarious that the pirates 

958
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,240
show up to raid on the top half 
of the map and it's just like 

959
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,880
they've got a song that they 
sing or something that was 

960
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,920
cracking me up, you know? 
It's just, I love those little 

961
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:44,080
details and flourishes. 
It really goes a long way, you 

962
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,360
know, Just Speaking of pros, 
things I like about this game, 

963
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,440
specifically in the franchise in
general, is it's easy to take 

964
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,360
for granted how diverse these 
missions are. 

965
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,400
I played Triangle Strategy last 
year. 

966
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,360
Has anybody played that? 
That's the. 

967
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,840
Really one with the really 
pretty 2D art, right? 

968
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,720
Yeah, I think it's from the 
Octopath Traveller team or 

969
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,960
whatever. 
You know, that's a game that I 

970
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,400
really enjoyed the story 
elements because you have to 

971
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,320
convince people in your party to
vote on things and you know, 

972
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,840
it's like the story stuff was 
fantastic. 

973
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,480
I thought it was really good. 
But every single like battle 

974
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,400
kind of had the same layout of 
like, all right, you got a 

975
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,400
turtle up, go into the corner, 
protect your weak units, put the

976
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,080
front people in front. 
And just by the end of the game,

977
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,360
I was like, I'm not enjoying the
combat very much because I feel 

978
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,520
like they're not throwing enough
wrenches at me or, you know, I'm

979
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,960
not like coming up with a new 
strategy I've never tried 

980
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,200
before. 
Whereas I think the variety in 

981
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,640
these games is really wonderful.
Like even sometimes they're just

982
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,520
like, all right, just survive 
this somehow for eight turns. 

983
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,000
That's kind of fun, you know, 
versus like route the enemy or 

984
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,560
get to the escape, you know? 
Yeah. 

985
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,560
The the one that I'd never 
really understood the purpose of

986
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,560
differentiating was that there's
seas and there's arrive. 

987
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,880
And the arrive objective means 
any character has to reach the 

988
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,480
space and seas mean that has to 
be Ike. 

989
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,560
And I was those points of like, 
you know, Ike's not the best 

990
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,280
person in my team here. 
I'm team Titania, right? 

991
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,680
But you know, it's just I 
thought that was a weird 

992
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,040
distinction. 
And there's also some weird 

993
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,760
emphasis put on Ike. 
Like one of the cool things is 

994
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,000
that Ike can issue commands to 
the other characters and you can

995
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,280
issue commands to your actual 
team or the NPC helpers who are 

996
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,360
nearby. 
And you can say like, hey, rally

997
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,840
on me or go to this area or 
avoid combatants or whatever. 

998
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,000
And it's a great feature because
some of these maps are real big.

999
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,160
And you're like, I'm going to be
spending the next four turns 

1000
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,520
just moving. 
I don't want to have to 

1001
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,160
individually move every 
character. 

1002
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,920
And there's no enemy around me. 
So I'm just going to have Ike 

1003
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,360
tell everyone to follow. 
And now we're really cruising 

1004
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,560
through the game. 
But sometimes I would end the 

1005
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,280
turn as Ike. 
And I feel like I should still 

1006
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,680
be able to issue those blanket 
commands. 

1007
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,400
It's weird that only. 
I mean I get thematically why 

1008
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,200
only Ike can do that, but now 
I'm having to manually move 

1009
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,960
character. 
I don't know, it'd be like if in

1010
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,920
StarCraft you could only do the 
click and drag if you had 

1011
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,720
certain people selected it. 
Just. 

1012
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,440
I just found it a little 
strange. 

1013
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,480
I just want to step back 
slightly because there's two 

1014
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,720
points with number one with 
those pirates that show up the 

1015
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,560
first time. 
The boss on that I think is a 

1016
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,880
pun name. 
OK, what is it? 

1017
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:31,040
So it is spelled HAVETTI. 
Have 80. 

1018
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,960
I think it's Havati. 
Like Hawaii? 

1019
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,600
No Havati like a Havati. 
OK, OK. 

1020
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,080
I was thinking of the cheese 
havarti. 

1021
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,320
It was like Havarti, like I it's
trying to figure. 

1022
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,760
It's good you've probably been 
on a boat with actual pirates. 

1023
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,920
Like, and I don't mean like 
pirates, like Somali pirates, I 

1024
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,880
mean like pirates, pirates, eye 
patch pirates. 

1025
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,040
Yeah, yeah, it's not as cool as 
you think it smells, probably. 

1026
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,040
Yeah, it smells. 
Not good conversation either. 

1027
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,760
You don't want to talk to 
pirates for like 2 weeks. 

1028
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,120
And then also boat related the 
the level that I said it was a 

1029
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,760
great level. 
I have a solid boat theme going 

1030
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,520
here because you bring up the 
game mode things of different 

1031
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,160
objectives. 
Yeah, on. 

1032
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,560
That boat level, there are 
chests, OK. 

1033
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:19,960
And they're just kind of sitting
there. 

1034
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,480
And that one was just a like, 
survive ten turns, I think. 

1035
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,480
And I think presumably what 
happens is if you just defend 

1036
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,440
and don't do anything else, you 
survive ten turns and then 

1037
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,080
enemies leave. 
Right. 

1038
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:40,880
I because I am trying to farm XP
as much as I can, like well, I'm

1039
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,000
not just going to survive. 
I am going to kill them all if I

1040
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,240
can. 
At which point, additional at 

1041
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,120
which point the crows decide to 
show up and they're just like 

1042
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:50,600
they're fighting amongst 
themselves. 

1043
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,120
Let's take all their treasure 
and the birds kind of just keep 

1044
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,160
flying in so long as there's 
turns left. 

1045
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,240
I don't know how many, but they 
kept coming for me. 

1046
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,360
They keep flying in and going 
straight for chests that are 

1047
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,080
unopened. 
And if they open a chest, you 

1048
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,960
can kill them and basically get 
whatever item was in there. 

1049
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,640
And so I have some fancy weapons
no one can use right now that 

1050
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,280
came out of those. 
And it was a point where I'm 

1051
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,920
like, can I figure out how to 
get the characters I'm not 

1052
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,680
controlling to please stop 
attacking birds until they after

1053
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,360
they open things? 
Because that would be great 

1054
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,200
because the NPC stuff was like 
killing them and it's like, no, 

1055
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,760
I need them to open stuff so I 
can loot their corpses for, I 

1056
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,480
guess, your items. 
So I guess maybe that's probably

1057
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,720
why they were not as keen on 
that. 

1058
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,520
It's it's so it's interesting 
because that becomes a mechanic 

1059
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,040
in the game at every level past 
that point when there's chests 

1060
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,280
on the map still, it's going to 
be gotten to this point where 

1061
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,400
random thieves show up and start
to loot the chests that are on 

1062
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,480
the map. 
Yeah, yeah, that is also like a 

1063
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,600
pretty standard thing that 
happens. 

1064
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,840
It drives you nuts too, because 
like a lot of this is just 

1065
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,840
across the entire franchise. 
You'll see like a room up in the

1066
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,720
left corner of a map that has 
like 6 juicy treasure chests in 

1067
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,200
it. 
And then there's like a thief 

1068
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,640
unit. 
You're like, oh, that son of a 

1069
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,520
bitch, He's heading for that 
room. 

1070
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,400
I got to get there first. 
So even though you have another 

1071
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,840
objective, you're kind of like, 
can I create a second team to go

1072
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,520
over there and get the good 
weapons? 

1073
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,840
Because that good weapon can 
make a huge, huge difference 

1074
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,960
later. 
You know, maybe there's a hammer

1075
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,360
in there, something that like 
gets cuts through armor. 

1076
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,800
Like that stuff is so valuable. 
The stuff you can't get in 

1077
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,280
stores. 
So yeah, I love having multiple 

1078
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,040
goals like that. 
It's so fun. 

1079
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,400
Items that money can't buy, like
the nice of Kwan Tsu. 

1080
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:44,320
OK, way over my head. 
But it's just another example of

1081
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,440
this game being really 
brilliantly developed because 

1082
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,840
what they did, what they're 
doing there is they're going, 

1083
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,200
OK, this map is huge. 
And we know that you're going to

1084
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,040
be tempted to spend all the 
turns required to trek over 

1085
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,640
there and get those treasure 
chests. 

1086
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,920
So the thieves appearing every 
time there's chests is basically

1087
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,680
saying, hey, there's a timer on 
these things. 

1088
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,560
Yeah, so prioritize it or don't,
But you don't get it both ways. 

1089
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,880
And that's so good for pacing. 
It is a little weird 

1090
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,960
thematically because the thieves
are also considered enemy units.

1091
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,440
So it's like if you were 
watching Star Wars and there was

1092
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,320
like a little Star War 
stormtrooper, like, running 

1093
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,960
around in the background 
stealing from the other 

1094
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,760
stormtroopers. 
I'm like, what's going on? 

1095
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,800
What's going on there? 
I mean, there's still an enemy 

1096
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,040
to you. 
Sure, sure, and still skin. 

1097
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,120
That would normally be you, 
right? 

1098
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,040
Running around in the background
with the treasure chests. 

1099
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,480
I'm more into having other 
people do my dirty work for me. 

1100
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,360
You know, I like, I wheel and 
deal and get them to do stuff 

1101
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,520
for me in exchange for 
something. 

1102
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,920
But yeah, yeah. 
I mean, you know, I would 

1103
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,760
definitely get you guys to steal
stuff for me if I could. 

1104
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,200
I would steal anything for you. 
Still skin, I love you. 

1105
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,760
Careful, be careful, he'd try. 
That's true. 

1106
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:54,320
I've been fighting along you 
with this whole Zoom. 

1107
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,200
I've got a little stat boost 
from being near you now. 

1108
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,240
OK, So you know what this is? 
We're having fun. 

1109
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,680
This is a fun conversation. 
OK? 

1110
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,360
Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna risk 
throwing cold water all over 

1111
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,280
this thing. 
OK. 

1112
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:05,600
You ready? 
You ready? 

1113
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,480
Well, here's the thing. 
The story in this game is so 

1114
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,800
freaking good, OK? 
And I don't think I've ever 

1115
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,720
played a game for this podcast 
where I'm like, oh, this is an 

1116
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:18,360
important story. 
Like there are moments in this 

1117
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,640
plot line that feel like full on
prescient, right? 

1118
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,040
So I'm I'm gonna read to you 
some plot points that happened 

1119
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,040
later in the game, OK? 
Yeah. 

1120
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,160
And draw your own freaking 
conclusions, everybody. 

1121
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,480
OK, these are things that 
happens in the game. 

1122
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,080
Immigrants are rounded up and 
left to rot in cages or put to 

1123
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,880
work in grueling labor 
conditions with no regard for 

1124
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,400
their safety, including children
and veterans. 

1125
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:47,120
That's in this game from 2005. 
Veterans feels like a weird. 

1126
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,280
Well, some of them are like from
previous wars. 

1127
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,080
You haven't gotten that far yet.
No, no, I know I meant I felt 

1128
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,760
that was a weird call out. 
Well, what's happened? 

1129
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,240
Oh, I see what you're saying. 
It's like, oh, this veterans is 

1130
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:00,920
extra. 
I don't know. 

1131
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,680
Yeah, including bakers. 
It's. 

1132
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,920
Mike veterans are OK. 
OK, how about this one Mike? 

1133
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,760
Ultra defensive nationalist 
police language and consider 

1134
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,560
anyone who attempts to use 
inclusive language as a form of 

1135
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,160
treason. 
Plot point and path of radiance.

1136
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,080
Warmongering narcissist becomes 
frustrated with a ragtag group 

1137
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,680
of rebels and deliberately 
targets civilian infrastructure 

1138
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,520
to discourage organized 
resistance. 

1139
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,800
Said warmonger deliberately 
starts a war he knows is bad for

1140
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,560
his own people in order to 
distract from his real life 

1141
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:35,000
interests. 
There are themes in here that I 

1142
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,800
think are crucial to humanity. 
And I got emotional because I 

1143
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,520
got so attached to these 
characters and the fact that 

1144
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,840
this book was dealing with the 
horrors of war and the 

1145
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:53,880
scuzziness of politics and the, 
you know, racism and slavery and

1146
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,240
so many hot button topics. 
I was like, I really respected 

1147
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,600
it because I don't think 
Nintendo goes there very often 

1148
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,080
with their games. 
Do you guys get what I'm saying?

1149
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:07,240
Yes, 100%, yeah, These games 
are, they're not like dark dark.

1150
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,760
It's not like, I guess you would
say grim dark, but it's mature 

1151
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,760
despite how like colorful and 
fun the cast is. 

1152
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,560
There's usually like some stuff 
of real war in it and politics 

1153
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,560
and things that come out of war 
and people being oppressed and 

1154
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,480
fighting back and all that. 
So yeah, the games are usually, 

1155
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,320
there's usually a little bit of 
that to some degree The previous

1156
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,720
game to this, the one on 
Gameplay Advance, is a little 

1157
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,160
bit lighter. 
You get 3 different storylines 

1158
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,960
and that which is kind of 
interesting. 

1159
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,400
But this definitely, I will say 
having played that one, this 

1160
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,200
feels like a huge step forward 
storytelling wise for the whole 

1161
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:45,400
franchise. 
Like this. 

1162
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,960
I felt like, oh, this is like a 
modern, like this is the the 

1163
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,960
Fire Emblem we know today has 
arrived in this game. 

1164
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,480
So I was very impressed by that 
kind of quantum leap forward. 

1165
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,720
I. 
Did think that there was an 

1166
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:04,160
optimism with the idea that. 
Oh, well, the prejudices exist 

1167
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,680
between the people, but those in
charge are trying to overcome 

1168
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,840
that. 
Yeah, When you get into the idea

1169
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,760
that like for the main human 
Kingdom and the main animal 

1170
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,720
Kingdom, where it's like, no, 
the leaders are trying to move 

1171
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,400
past this and it's just the 
people are dragging their feet. 

1172
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,840
And it's like, I like that 
optimism where like the people 

1173
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,760
call them the shots are trying 
to make things better because 

1174
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,600
that feels not the same 
direction as now. 

1175
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,320
Yeah. 
I particularly love the did you 

1176
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,120
guys get to the little girl 
who's kind of running the 

1177
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,480
Kingdom? 
I forget what her name is, but 

1178
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,080
she's like, she's trying to do 
reparations because her people 

1179
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,680
did terrible things to the bird 
people and she's acknowledging 

1180
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,440
it and she apologizes. 
And it's like this really 

1181
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,280
powerful moment of like Nintendo
freaking go in there and then 

1182
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,600
tell you, OK, you know what? 
Can I make us a little more 

1183
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,040
immature? 
Can we get to our mini game 

1184
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,840
minute? 
Anything else we love about Path

1185
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,400
of Radiance before we go on to 
our halftime show? 

1186
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,600
Oh God I feel like I've been 
heaping so much praise. 

1187
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,040
It's a lot of good stuff I 
don't. 

1188
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,360
Know if we can handle anymore? 
Mike, anything else to praise? 

1189
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,560
I have been digging the music. 
Yeah. 

1190
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:11,560
Oh yeah. 
Yeah. 

1191
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,720
I It is one of those repeated 
battle themes, but I never get 

1192
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,920
tired of hearing it. 
And it's so funny. 

1193
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,520
It's just the what is it called 
that the trumpet every time. 

1194
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:22,880
The fanfare. 
Fanfare. 

1195
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,840
That's exactly. 
Yeah. 

1196
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,520
And it's just there's something 
and then when the enemy and it's

1197
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,120
like, oh God, yeah, it it, it. 
Emotionally directs you in a way

1198
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,120
because you're like, no, I can't
lose somebody, don't die. 

1199
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,480
Everybody hold it together. 
The music is so good at that. 

1200
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,920
It's very funny too when like, 
you've cleared out the map and 

1201
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,360
it goes through all the 
different themes really quick. 

1202
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,360
You know so. 
Hopefully like the the NPC 

1203
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,560
music, because they have their 
own music, it'll you'll hear 

1204
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,440
like a second of that, then the 
enemy and then back to you. 

1205
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,240
I don't know, that was cracking 
me up a little bit. 

1206
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:00,400
Yeah, it cycles through Go back.
Yeah, exactly. 

1207
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,360
And then also, you know, just 
appreciating music and visual 

1208
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,040
cues, like the first time one of
my characters evolved, they can 

1209
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,280
level up into a stronger second 
class. 

1210
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,440
And it's a really cool cutscene 
cuz like the sun breaks through 

1211
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,920
the clouds and it's oh, and it's
like the path of radiance. 

1212
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,880
There it is. 
It did the thing right. 

1213
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,120
And Boyd was my first one to 
evolve. 

1214
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,320
So when, when he was, when he 
died at the end of the game, it 

1215
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,840
was, it was really brutal. 
It would it's, it was like, I 

1216
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,440
don't know, like if it was my. 
1st to evolve cuz he evolved 

1217
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,360
into a corpse. 
That's devolved devolution. 

1218
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,440
Evolve has just changed. 
It doesn't have to be good 

1219
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,120
change, although I did 
appreciate that you were able to

1220
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:43,520
get things to advance a couple 
up on classes which I just used 

1221
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,600
for the healers because they're 
tough to level up. 

1222
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,480
Yeah, 100%, yeah. 
And then they could dodge 

1223
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,880
better, yeah. 
Well, not just dodge. 

1224
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,080
Better missed. 
She goes up a class, gets a 

1225
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,800
horse. 
Oh yeah, and. 

1226
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,360
That's. 
Just it wildly changed into 8. 

1227
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,000
But she also gets a sword. 
But the cool thing with the 

1228
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,800
horses, those units can do 
something and then move again. 

1229
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,840
Yeah. 
And to have a healer that can 

1230
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,400
heal and retreat, So awesome. 
Oh yeah. 

1231
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,800
Yeah, and I loved, I loved all 
the little tactical things you 

1232
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,040
had to consider because like 
Mike said, the horses, horse 

1233
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:23,040
characters can move, act, move. 
So you can hit and run or heal 

1234
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,000
and run. 
But then you got the Lagoos 

1235
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,800
characters who are literally 
helpless half the battle and 

1236
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,240
then the then they'll Hulk out, 
they'll become their animal form

1237
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:33,960
and there's some of the most 
powerful ones, but you got to 

1238
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,200
preserve that unit until they 
can evolve again. 

1239
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,080
The spell cast characters, you 
know, being weak but having 

1240
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,360
ranges. 
I mean, I guess that's not that 

1241
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,320
unique, but there was just so 
many fun little elements to 

1242
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,680
consider strategy wise. 
Something else to consider is 

1243
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,240
our mini game minute for today. 
We're calling Clash or Pass 

1244
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,960
where we are going to just 
because. 

1245
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,840
OK, look, we're going to say the
thing. 

1246
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,120
OK, I'll say the thing. 
I have the most to lose. 

1247
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,520
I'm a public school teacher. 
All of the Fire Emblem 

1248
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,320
characters are insanely 
attractive like. 

1249
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,960
Wife waifus for miles. 
And huzz Boo foos, or whatever 

1250
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,080
you call those huzz material. 
Like they're handsome and 

1251
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:15,280
likable and stylish. 
So I originally envisioned this 

1252
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,360
game with all 45 characters and 
before the show, Mike is Mike is

1253
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,320
like you maniac. 
Just pick like a handful, you 

1254
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,400
horny devil. 
So we're going to discuss 

1255
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,560
whether these characters are 
clash or Pass and still going, 

1256
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:31,360
and I are going to weigh in and 
then if there's a tie mic, we'll

1257
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,280
send it to the Discord. 
That sounds reasonable. 

1258
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,600
OK, I don't know how you wanna 
play this. 

1259
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,480
OK, so clash or pass? 
Pass means no interest. 

1260
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,920
Clash. 
It means you'd like to lock 

1261
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,000
swords. 
Lock swords, I see. 

1262
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,080
For some of them, anyway. 
You like the clash, if you know 

1263
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,800
what I mean. 
OK, starting off with my 

1264
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,960
favorite my #1 because when you 
beat this game, it's actually 

1265
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,640
kind of fun. 
They rank all of your fighters 

1266
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,360
in terms of how successful they 
were. 

1267
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:03,160
Love that. 
So with 166 kills my #1 waifu 

1268
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,960
Titania the Knight clash or pass
the suit of armor must be 

1269
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,240
included Stiltskin. 
Oh absolutely clash. 

1270
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,080
I mean, this is like the ideal 
woman. 

1271
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,040
She can defend you. 
She seems very tall. 

1272
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,720
That's an important thing to me 
since I'm so small. 

1273
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,600
Me too. 
I would like her to, like, reach

1274
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,200
things from a top shelf, you 
know, I feel like I could go 

1275
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,400
anywhere with her. 
And if people tried to start 

1276
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,840
things, I could like, mouth off 
and be like, yeah, and my wife 

1277
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,680
will take care of this, you 
know? 

1278
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,560
So, like, she's perfect. 
She's perfect. 

1279
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,120
And I will say as a short man 
who's married to a tall woman, 

1280
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,560
it's interesting because she 
accuses me of short privilege 

1281
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,000
sometimes because like, it's 
like Tupperware on the bottom 

1282
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,440
shelf and like, I, it's, it's 
difficult for her. 

1283
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,080
You know what I mean? 
All right, how about Next up we 

1284
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,400
got Lee. 
How do you say this one still 

1285
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,440
skin, leaf or lathe? 
The lathe girl I. 

1286
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,120
Don't know. 
Lathe classier pass. 

1287
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,560
Well, I'm allergic to cats, so 
I'm going to say no. 

1288
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,080
I'm going to say pass, you know,
because I'd just be sneezing. 

1289
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,480
I get it. 
My nose is already red enough, 

1290
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,080
you know what I mean? 
So I think, I think I'd be even 

1291
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,080
worse off in her presence. 
Nothing personal against her. 

1292
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,720
Yeah, you sneezing is a bad 
recipe. 

1293
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,400
Yeah. 
I'm going to send it. 

1294
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,400
Look, I'm not being all Derek 
here, OK? 

1295
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,600
But I'm going to say clash 
because her tension with Ike in 

1296
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,400
the later dialogue is palpable. 
Like, they have a whole thing 

1297
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,840
about how I'd love to spar with 
you and, like, you think you can

1298
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,280
keep up. 
And I was like, Oh my God, 

1299
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:38,960
there's some subtext. 
There's some future babies 

1300
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,360
coming through OK. 
That character's is written like

1301
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,800
that one anime character in 
every anime that seems to hate 

1302
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,720
the main character, but not 
really. 

1303
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:51,360
It's just like that's their 
form. 

1304
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,880
Well, yeah. 
Archetype. 

1305
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,280
Sure, but there is also genuine,
satisfying storytelling when 

1306
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,600
characters start at each other's
throats and by the end of the 

1307
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,160
game they're they're very close.
It's like that's, that's a 

1308
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,680
satisfying feeling. 
It's like a screwball comedy, 

1309
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,680
but it's a cat person. 
All right, so Stiltskin Shin on 

1310
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,960
the sniper. 
Beautiful anime long hair boy. 

1311
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,520
Well, I, I'm split on this 
because looks wise a clash, but 

1312
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,080
he's kind of a jerk. 
He's kind of a jerk. 

1313
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,760
He's kind of a jerk. 
So I'm, I think overall I'm 

1314
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,200
going to pass because I'm not 
that superficial. 

1315
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,720
You know I I need I need the 
full package here, so I'm going 

1316
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,040
to pass. 
Yeah, I also wouldn't want his 

1317
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,360
full package. 
It's he's he's interesting 

1318
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,960
though, because like you guys 
mentioned, he'll leave. 

1319
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,600
He'll just be like, oh, there's 
a kid and charge him out of 

1320
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,480
here. 
You can get him back or you can 

1321
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,800
kill him later in the game. 
Love that. 

1322
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,720
Yeah. 
And so, like, when I took him 

1323
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,160
down and I was like, oh, I 
probably didn't have to do that.

1324
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:54,160
Like, I felt kind of torn 
because it was like, I can't 

1325
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,720
think of a lot of RPGs. 
Well, that's not true. 

1326
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,400
Almost every RPG has. 
The character becomes a traitor.

1327
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:08,600
OK, this is the King of the 
Lions, and his name is GIF from.

1328
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,720
Is that right? 
GIF from GIF. 

1329
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,200
Gifraium. 
Gifraium. 

1330
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,680
From The Lion King, What do you 
say, Stiltskin? 

1331
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,600
Clash or pass? 
He looks too much like Adam 

1332
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,080
Driver. 
I'm going to pass. 

1333
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,680
He's just, there's something a 
little Adam Drivery about him. 

1334
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,600
Nothing against Adam Driver as 
an actor. 

1335
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,160
Just, you know, he seems like an
intense guy. 

1336
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,359
That's not The Lion King. 
Sorry, sorry, this is the Lion 

1337
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:43,240
King's like second in command 
like his go to guy. 

1338
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:48,040
OK, next Patrine, the one of the
four writers. 

1339
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,680
Stiltskin. 
Yeah, yeah, she could. 

1340
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:57,760
She could beat me up, sure. 
I feel, I feel intimidated. 

1341
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,200
So it it's a clash. 
There's some step on the mommy 

1342
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:02,680
vibes with Patrine A. 
Little bit. 

1343
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,920
Yeah, a little bit. 
Does she have heels? 

1344
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,160
She does. 
OK. 

1345
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:09,880
Mike, you want to weigh in on 
this one big guy? 

1346
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,960
That that just doesn't. 
Heels never seem practical, but 

1347
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,800
like extra not practical in a 
fighter, that's all. 

1348
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,640
Yeah, she's got some cool 
swagger. 

1349
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:22,880
And then finally, Oliver. 
Like, I know we're not doing 

1350
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,760
merry Clash kill, but I would 
kill Oliver. 

1351
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:29,120
He's the creep who like, 
enslaves the lagoos. 

1352
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,960
So you have to say pass or kill,
right Stiltskin. 

1353
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,439
Well, I would, but that outfit 
is quite something. 

1354
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,399
I mean, this picture you picked 
is quite fetching. 

1355
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:41,720
I like the you know, he's like 
got like slashes of of clothing,

1356
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,640
tantalizing little slivers of 
skins showing. 

1357
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,840
And he's also bald. 
And I think they as a fellow 

1358
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,479
bald guy, I think, you know, 
bald men don't often get 

1359
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,000
appreciated as much as they can.
So I'm going to be a contrarian 

1360
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,400
here and go clash. 
Oh God, OK, but he's like on the

1361
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,240
list Stiltskin like this was. 
AI can fix him. 

1362
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,840
No, no, no, you know, you know, 
no, I, I probably would pass 

1363
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,480
honestly, like if I'm being more
truthful, but I just wanted to 

1364
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:13,120
kind of, you know, throw a 
wrench in the works here. 

1365
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,320
I appreciate that. 
Well, you know what else throws 

1366
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,640
a wrench in the works? 
Are Joy Con. 

1367
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,000
This game ain't perfect, 
Stiltskin. 

1368
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,000
It's really good. 
I think we've made that clear. 

1369
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,200
What frustrates you about this 
game? 

1370
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,360
I could say one thing, when we 
got the shops, they introduce 

1371
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,480
you to the characters and stuff 
like that and it's like, cool, I

1372
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:36,120
get to buy, you know, weapons 
cuz by that point you've gone 

1373
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,240
through a lot of battles and 
you're kind of running out. 

1374
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,960
So you're like OK, great. 
It took me like 30 minutes to 

1375
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,920
figure out where to freaking buy
your weapons. 

1376
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,200
It was so aggravating. 
You have to go to like the 

1377
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:52,080
character's status page or 
something or his inventory and 

1378
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,600
then go down and there's like an
option for shop rather than it 

1379
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,600
just being part of the menu of 
different things you can do at 

1380
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,440
your base. 
And I'm like, this is so 

1381
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,360
complicated in a way that 
doesn't make sense. 

1382
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,280
It's like there's certain 
quality of life features that 

1383
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,240
they hadn't quite gotten down 
yet, You know, I don't mean to 

1384
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,200
sound too negative about this 
because I think there's a lot 

1385
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,400
they do right, But that was 
annoying to me. 

1386
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,080
I was I that was the most 
agitated I got playing this was 

1387
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,840
trying to figure out where to 
freaking buy stuff. 

1388
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:27,840
And I don't understand exact 
like or didn't go down the path 

1389
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,560
because I don't know if I'm 
going to end up in a path I 

1390
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,720
can't reverse with the 
distinction between the Armory 

1391
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,040
where you can buy the ready to 
go weapons that have some 

1392
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,440
weapons but not all. 
And sometimes the steel versions

1393
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:40,680
are there and sometimes they're 
not. 

1394
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,320
And I don't know why and I 
haven't figured that out. 

1395
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,400
But there's also a forge where 
you can like do like custom 

1396
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,640
weapons, but I don't really 
understand what that's going to 

1397
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,240
do because it's like, I can just
buy the weapons. 

1398
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,360
I'm not really sure in what way 
the forging is adding something.

1399
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,680
So the forge mechanic, it's not 
very well explained unless 

1400
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,520
there's someone of those 
tutorials that neither you nor I

1401
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,040
clicked on. 
But you can pick a weapon type, 

1402
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,040
including the spell books, which
I thought was interesting. 

1403
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:16,000
Like I never would think of a 
book as being forged but but you

1404
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,920
can customize the stats 
yourself. 

1405
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:23,280
So you customize its accuracy, 
its likeliness to get a critical

1406
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,680
hit, how much damage it does, 
and how many times per turn you 

1407
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,720
can use it. 
And all of those stats cost 

1408
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,000
money to upgrade. 
So what I would do between each 

1409
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,880
match is that I would pick 1 
character who didn't have any 

1410
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,600
good weapons because they broke 
and I would Max out their weapon

1411
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,240
and you can change the name and 
the color of it and then I'm OK 

1412
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,680
that person's set. 
Interestingly, you can only 

1413
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,320
forge one item per intermission,
I guess we'll call it. 

1414
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,160
But you know, it's, it's the the
base menu. 

1415
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,160
Like Stiltskin said, it's very 
clunky. 

1416
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,760
In order to like, trade items, 
you have to select each 

1417
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,920
character individually. 
You have to give and take items 

1418
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,120
from a convoy. 
Yeah, sometimes you'll forge a 

1419
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,400
weapon not realizing that the 
character you wanted to use it 

1420
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,240
can't because their skill isn't 
high enough. 

1421
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,560
Right. 
And you know, I, I think that 

1422
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,880
this game would do very well 
with a remake. 

1423
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,640
Like let's let's up the 
graphics, let's speed up the 

1424
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,080
animation cycle because like, I 
love the animated fight scenes, 

1425
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,640
but my God it took me 30 hours 
to beat the game with animations

1426
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:35,560
off and animation on is adding 
10 to 15 seconds of every 

1427
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,200
attack. 
Yeah, the fact that you can't 

1428
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:43,400
Fast forward at will for certain
fights is is a huge downgrade in

1429
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,440
this version. 
I I agree with that. 

1430
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:48,400
That really bumped me out. 
I will say they thought to let 

1431
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,440
you pick specific units where 
you will see the animation, so 

1432
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,680
if there's one you particularly 
like, you know you can customize

1433
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:55,920
it that way. 
But you can't do that with 

1434
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,840
enemies. 
I kind of feel like, OK, I'm 

1435
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,760
fighting this boss. 
I kind of wish I could see the 

1436
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,040
cool cutscene, but Stiltskin's 
waiting and I got to beat this 

1437
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,480
game, so sorry. 
I'm just going to kind of 

1438
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:08,640
blitzkrieg through it, so. 
And on hard mode, there's way 

1439
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,120
more enemies. 
So like the enemy turn takes 

1440
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,560
like a longer time because 
they'll add like, like in some 

1441
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,040
cases, I, I looked it up just to
see there's like 14 more enemies

1442
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:20,680
on a map. 
That's insane. 

1443
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,320
And it's just a lot, it's a lot 
to deal with crowd control wise,

1444
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,880
just waiting to see where 
everybody's moving. 

1445
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,280
I don't know. 
It's yeah, there's certain 

1446
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,880
things that like weren't quite 
up to stuff. 

1447
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,400
I was curious about this. 
I'm going to ask you, did you 

1448
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,040
know what things like the Seraph
robe did? 

1449
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,400
Was that confusing to you when 
you got those kind of items? 

1450
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,040
Partially confusing. 
OK. 

1451
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:47,000
I I think it's because I think 
the seraph robe was one of the 

1452
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:53,480
ones that did this that was AI 
used it and it went away. 

1453
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:58,560
Yeah. 
And that is, in my experience, 

1454
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:03,480
not how clothes work. 
I don't know, Mike, Look at 

1455
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:06,160
Oliver with his clothes ripping 
away in the sensuous ribs like 

1456
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,360
still saying. 
Yeah, it's a I'm going to borrow

1457
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:09,680
that look. 
It's great. 

1458
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,040
Yeah. 
So like that bit threw me. 

1459
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,240
I did appreciate that there was 
the help option. 

1460
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,440
If you could figure out how to, 
the fact that you could go in 

1461
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:20,600
and see stuff and there was a 
button you can hit and then it 

1462
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,840
would highlight things and it 
would explain what it was, was 

1463
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,560
useful. 
Yeah, weirdly hard to use, like 

1464
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,840
weirdly hard to activate because
you had to be on the right 

1465
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,880
screen for it. 
And it'd be like, I want to know

1466
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,520
what that thing is there. 
Why does help not work on this 

1467
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,800
screen? 
But if I go to a slightly 

1468
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,320
different screen, it will. 
But it was still weird to have 

1469
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,920
or it was counterintuitive to 
have that robe like be a 

1470
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,880
consumable. 
I thought it was an equivable 

1471
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:50,840
because it's a freaking robe and
I don't like and like I'd use 

1472
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,920
the help thing. 
So like, I don't feel like that 

1473
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,360
was conveyed and should have 
been. 

1474
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,560
Yeah, that's just one example of
kind of a standard thing. 

1475
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,480
It's like you just know what 
that item it does if you played 

1476
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:03,160
other games. 
But I was surprised that there 

1477
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,560
was no tutorial. 
There's no like, oh, use this to

1478
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,240
make to boost this stat from 
your character. 

1479
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,240
There's none of that. 
It's just sort of like you get 

1480
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,320
these weird items like, oh, the 
statue piece and you're like, 

1481
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,360
what does this do? 
I was wondering if that was like

1482
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,040
intimidating for someone who 
hasn't played these games as 

1483
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,800
much or whatever. 
It would have been if I hadn't 

1484
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,560
realized that I could use the 
help thing and then it just 

1485
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,720
turned into that problem where 
I'm afraid to use items because 

1486
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,240
I hoard all items till the end 
because what if I need it later 

1487
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:37,520
for something else? 
But it's so much better that and

1488
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,320
granted, part of it is because, 
you know, this is 2005, but not 

1489
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,040
a decade earlier with some of 
the other things, you know, that

1490
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,720
it had that kind of a help 
option and it would explain what

1491
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,840
things were. 
So most of it was like, you 

1492
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,320
know, oh, I got a gem. 
What do I do with that? 

1493
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:52,720
Oh, you can just sell this for 
money. 

1494
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,600
It's like, all right then. 
Yeah. 

1495
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,480
But it's interesting though, 
because it's not always honest 

1496
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:59,440
because if you look at the 
description for a coin, coin 

1497
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:02,880
says sell it for money and you 
get 1 gold and you're like, 

1498
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,800
thanks for wasting my time game.
But Mike, if you take the coins 

1499
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,440
and you try to forge with them, 
your weapons will get special 

1500
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:12,240
attributes. 
And it's and there's all kinds 

1501
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,080
of little things to learn about 
the game that I think is kind of

1502
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,360
neat. 
I like games that don't tell you

1503
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,680
everything and invite that kind 
of level of discovery. 

1504
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,680
But there's there's a good, 
there's a right and a wrong way 

1505
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,160
to do that. 
This game on Nintendo Classics 

1506
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,160
has Game Boy Advanced 
functionality. 

1507
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,960
When this was released on the 
GameCube, the original GameCube,

1508
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,040
there was a cable where you 
connect a Gameboy Advance into 

1509
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,280
the controller port, and for 
some of the advanced games like 

1510
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,480
Final Fantasy Crystal 
Chronicles, you could actually 

1511
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:46,840
play using the Gameboy screen. 
Wow, it was like we you a decade

1512
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,800
before that was a thing. 
And so that's on here. 

1513
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,840
And I was like, ah man, that 
sucks. 

1514
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,000
I wish I could get the stuff 
that was unlocked. 

1515
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,920
No, they thought about that. 
All the Gameboy Advanced content

1516
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,080
is already unlocked for you on 
Nintendo Classics. 

1517
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,720
Oh, that's cool. 
Right, but did it tell me that? 

1518
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,280
No, no. 
It gets you a couple of extra 

1519
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:10,520
battle maps and some art, so 
nothing too essential, but it's 

1520
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,360
like neat, but I wish you'd made
it more clear. 

1521
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,320
Same thing with the menus. 
Like that's cool, but I wish it 

1522
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,760
was less clunky and a little bit
more natural. 

1523
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,680
So they do know that you can 
unlock things for modern 

1524
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,360
consoles on Nintendo Switch 
Online. 

1525
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,560
Yes, SP mode, bring it back. 
This is NIT picky, but while 

1526
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,400
we're talking about the help 
menus, I found it confusing when

1527
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,680
I did a couple times go in to 
look for help. 

1528
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:39,880
It was like organized by the 
chapter in which you get the new

1529
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:44,200
mechanic rather than like, oh, 
this is all stuff pertaining to 

1530
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,200
battle, this stuff pertaining to
leveling up. 

1531
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,520
Maybe I'm wrong, but like I 
remember thinking, that's weird.

1532
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,160
Why would I be like, Oh yeah, 
they introduced that in Chapter 

1533
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,240
7, so I should go to the Chapter
7 section of help. 

1534
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,000
Like I just there were a couple 
times where I really like spent 

1535
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,280
time being like, where do I 
learn about the thing I want to 

1536
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:03,840
research? 
Maybe there was a better way to 

1537
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,200
do it, but. 
There was another sort to it 

1538
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,280
that I think the default is by 
chapter, which was more useful 

1539
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,200
for like someone like me who at 
a certain point was like, now 

1540
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,200
that I know it exists, I'm 
checking every chapter. 

1541
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,800
What new things am I being told 
about? 

1542
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,040
But I thought there was it might
have just been alphabetical, but

1543
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,680
there was like another sort 
option somewhere. 

1544
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,880
I see. 
Yeah, I just thought the chapter

1545
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,600
thing was baffling a little bit 
to be like, wait, I don't 

1546
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,400
remember what map you introduced
that on. 

1547
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,480
Like I'm just trying to, in the 
middle of a fight, look up 

1548
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:35,040
something. 
OK, cool. 

1549
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,480
I think it was. 
More useful for my going along 

1550
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,320
because after the after the like
hour I had of I'm just going to 

1551
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,880
sit and go through tutorials. 
Now that I've found a bunch that

1552
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,040
I've missed was I can imagine 
someone like every couple 

1553
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,800
trappers be like have I missed 
anything new? 

1554
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:55,520
Rather than I don't need most of
these I need to find one then 

1555
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,800
it's less ideal. 
It is funny though, the way 

1556
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,120
Stilson describes it though, 
because I'd be like, if in order

1557
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,280
to Google information, you'd be 
like, what grade did I learn 

1558
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,080
that in? 
That was a fifth grade, right? 

1559
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,320
Like me go to five grade. 
The clunkiest thing of all 

1560
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,160
though, is the voice acting in 
the cutscenes. 

1561
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:15,320
It is woo. 
It is, it is bad and there is no

1562
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,520
option to go to the original 
Japanese, at least as far as I 

1563
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,720
could find. 
So really cool animation on the 

1564
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,280
cutscenes, but man if those dubs
don't ruin it. 

1565
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,080
Are you with me, Stiltskin? 
Yeah, I'm a anti dub guy. 

1566
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,800
I'm a Subs guy all the way. 
I try not to be too gatekeeper. 

1567
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,800
You're like nerdy about this 
stuff. 

1568
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,320
But like Japanese actors a lot 
of times bring these like little

1569
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,520
nuances to the characters and 
stuff. 

1570
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,400
And I feel like a lot of 
American voice actors are 

1571
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:42,720
yelling. 
It's like they're just 

1572
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,360
projecting all the time. 
They're like, Ike, get over 

1573
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,200
here. 
You have to do the thing now, 

1574
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:51,320
you know, like, why is everybody
screaming anime dubs? 

1575
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,640
I don't get it. 
And some dubs are better than 

1576
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:54,360
others. 
I'm not. 

1577
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:56,400
You know, if you watch stuff 
with dubs, that's fine. 

1578
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:57,880
But like, for me, it drives me 
nuts. 

1579
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,040
And this is one of the worst 
examples of that, in my opinion.

1580
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,480
I just was like, oh, man. 
These moments especially, like 

1581
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:08,000
when your dad dies, you know, 
Ike's dad, it's sort of like, 

1582
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,920
that scene was really corny. 
No. 

1583
01:21:11,480 --> 01:21:13,720
Yeah. 
It undercuts a lot of the drama 

1584
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,520
in in ways that were kind of a 
bummer. 

1585
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:16,320
Yeah. 
I. 

1586
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,320
Don't even remember that being 
voiced I. 

1587
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,600
Mean there were they were there,
but the the best line of 

1588
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:29,280
dialogue in the whole game is 
gate kept stiltskin behind a 

1589
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,720
really a decision that I don't 
think anybody makes. 

1590
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:36,240
So without going into actual 
plot specifics before the last 

1591
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:40,320
level, Princess Alencia, right, 
She gives a rousing speech to 

1592
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,560
the troops and one of your 
friends like, Hey, Ike, you 

1593
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,000
should give a speech and you 
have two choices, give a speech 

1594
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,480
or don't. 
And if you give a speech, it's 

1595
01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:51,680
OK, It's kind of clunky. 
It's like, Hey, nobody die on 

1596
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,000
me. 
You all have parents. 

1597
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,560
Don't make them sad. 
Live right. 

1598
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:00,320
And I'm like, OK, low key 
motivating, But so I, I made a 

1599
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,600
safe state and I was like, what 
happens if I don't give the 

1600
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,800
speech? 
And it's hilarious because that 

1601
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,280
goes, no, I'm not going up 
there. 

1602
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,840
And your sister's like, come on.
I he's like, no. 

1603
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:10,760
And she's like, you're being 
boring. 

1604
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,240
And Mike, I thought you'd 
appreciate this. 

1605
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,080
I goes, I'm perfectly happy 
being boring. 

1606
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:19,240
Come on, we're going. 
I'm like, that's a much more 

1607
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,520
memorable character moment that 
I kind of wish they had just 

1608
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,320
left in, you know? 
They left it in well. 

1609
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:29,000
Sure, yeah, if I, if I decide to
play like Mike could probably be

1610
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,520
playing. 
But so again, without giving 

1611
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,600
away anything because like, I 
get the sense that Mike might 

1612
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,680
play this more and Stiltskin 
probably will too. 

1613
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,640
I'm going to finish it, yeah. 
So this game's story is 

1614
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,280
painfully unfinished. 
It is like Across the Spider 

1615
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,880
verse territory where you're 
like, I like that, but you are 

1616
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,960
directly acknowledging that 
there is more story and you are 

1617
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,880
rubbing it in my face so I'm let
down. 

1618
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:57,880
Interesting. 
Now, I do know Radiant Dawn on 

1619
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:03,400
the Wii is a direct sequel to 
this, so I'm sure we'll get Wii 

1620
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,600
games at some point on Nintendo 
Classics if they keep this 

1621
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,960
going. 
So I'm very excited to see what 

1622
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,560
happens with the story. 
But also 30 hours and then 

1623
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,160
getting blue balled on the 
ending. 

1624
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:19,240
It's kind of like this doesn't 
sit well for 30 hours of my time

1625
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,200
Stiltskin. 
I want some closure, you feel 

1626
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,240
me? 
Yes, no, I I agree. 

1627
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:26,240
And it's funny because I think a
lot of the other games have very

1628
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,200
satisfying endings. 
Not to keep talking about that 

1629
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,800
Game Boy Advance one, but one of
the weird things about the 

1630
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:36,280
writing in that is that you are 
the strategist in the game. 

1631
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,800
So you're part of the party, you
yourself. 

1632
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,840
So the characters will break the
4th wall and talk to you. 

1633
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,640
They're all like, I hope you can
advise me in this battle. 

1634
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,080
I really need to help. 
So when you get to the end of a 

1635
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,040
journey, like one of the 
campaigns or something, the 

1636
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,280
characters will say goodbye 
directly to you, the player. 

1637
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,840
And I found it so moving. 
I was like, they're like like 

1638
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,200
one of the characters is like, I
hope we get to see each other 

1639
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:00,400
again one day. 
And I'm like I. 

1640
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,720
Hope so too, but enjoy. 
Being queen of your Kingdom now,

1641
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,200
you know, Like it was so oh 
great. 

1642
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,040
So that's kind of a bummer to 
hear that you don't get closure,

1643
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,280
but I'm glad I know at least so 
I won't be shell shocked. 

1644
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:15,440
I, I was fully expecting there 
to be like an extra mission or 

1645
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,400
two after the credits. 
And when there wasn't, I went on

1646
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,040
Wikipedia. 
I was like, was there, did I get

1647
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:21,240
the worst ending? 
Nope. 

1648
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,200
It's just, it's just just 
doesn't, doesn't stick the 

1649
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,800
landing, I'm sorry to say. 
There's one other thing that I 

1650
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,560
did find frustrating with a 
decision on how this handles 

1651
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,800
what you know. 
It's the intersection of what 

1652
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,760
you know going into missions and
the perma death thing. 

1653
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:44,400
And that is you have the ability
to choose what characters you 

1654
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:48,240
have with you at a point when 
you don't really know what the 

1655
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,880
level is going to do 100. 
Percent. 

1656
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:55,320
And so like the example of this 
that I why I decided to find out

1657
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,320
what happens when the whole 
party gets wiped out was that 

1658
01:24:58,440 --> 01:25:02,640
rescue prisoners bit where you 
start off and it's you have the 

1659
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,400
whole map out in One Direction 
and you're just kind of like at 

1660
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,640
an entry point. 
And it's like, OK, we're 

1661
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:11,560
starting here and there's kind 
of like a US don't get seen, 

1662
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,840
which is like it that's 
obviously happening one way or 

1663
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,200
the other. 
And so I have the standard 

1664
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:20,400
healers are at the back, move 
inward, int, start taking stuff 

1665
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:24,160
out, and when they find out 
you're there, the enemy just 

1666
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,400
shows up behind you and then 
just runs up and just like wipes

1667
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,640
out anyone weak in the back. 
And it was this thing where it's

1668
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,360
like, I would have started this 
differently if I knew that was 

1669
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,360
going to happen. 
But now I'm locked into this 

1670
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:40,280
sort of a situation. 
And the characters later on, 

1671
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,280
it's like, OK, well, I picked 
the characters based off of just

1672
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:48,360
this first glimpse and it 
wouldn't be as bad if even if it

1673
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,480
was OK, someone's down and I 
have one turn to revive them. 

1674
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,280
But it's that thing that they're
as soon as they hit 0, they're 

1675
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,320
dead. 
Does kind of create this thing 

1676
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,240
where it's like this feels 
really frustrating that you're 

1677
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,960
going to be real strict on this 
whole they're dead thing. 

1678
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,520
But I have such a limited set of
information and I just kind of 

1679
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,360
prefer to have a little bit more
leeway to try to recover and re 

1680
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,120
strategize when I get that new 
thing rather than you get just 

1681
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,040
sort of hit from the side and 
just knocked before. 

1682
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,600
I kind of have an ability to 
rearrange things. 

1683
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,360
I'll tell you what they should 
have done. 

1684
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,920
They should have let you view 
the map for the next level so 

1685
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,000
that you could at least be on 
the lookout for, oh, enemies 

1686
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:26,480
could come through that 
corridor. 

1687
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,360
Or the most frustrating thing 
are all these chests. 

1688
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,080
Well, half the levels don't have
any treasure chests, and your 

1689
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,800
treasure chest keys or door keys
have to be held by a certain 

1690
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,960
character. 
So I can't count the number of 

1691
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,480
times that I started a level and
will Dang it. 

1692
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,520
I didn't bring any of my chest 
keys, they're all sitting in 

1693
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,480
convoy. 
I didn't bring the characters 

1694
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:48,680
holding them. 
So that's why I never left. 

1695
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,120
The thief character just stayed 
in my party permanently because 

1696
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:52,720
I just got so sick of having to 
go back. 

1697
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,040
Yeah, you don't. 
You don't keep your thief in 

1698
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:56,080
there. 
You're doing it right. 

1699
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,040
You get rid of that guy. 
He's only there for special 

1700
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,520
occasions. 
But I I do, I agree that some of

1701
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,440
that stuff is frustrating, but I
do think, and maybe I'm wrong, 

1702
01:27:04,440 --> 01:27:08,040
but I think you can switch your 
party members out at the map 

1703
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,400
screen, right? 
You can do it at the map screen,

1704
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,920
but not like if. 
Not mid battle. 

1705
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,520
Yeah, not when like we're a turn
in surprise, we've changed the 

1706
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:20,920
goals, right, Right. 
It's that part which I get story

1707
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:25,560
wise but then is much more 
unforgiving because of the whole

1708
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,600
death thing. 
Yes, yeah. 

1709
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:32,040
I mean, I can't tell if I'm just
like Stockholm Syndrome strategy

1710
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,960
RPG player, but I'm like, I kind
of like that. 

1711
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,560
It's just like, OK, bring your 
core people that you know you 

1712
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,480
can use in like any situation. 
And then it's like the fancy 

1713
01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:43,520
stuff as if you see chess or 
whatever. 

1714
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,840
But those surprises, they 
definitely do shock you. 

1715
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,720
You know what I mean? 
It's definitely like something 

1716
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,440
where you're like, oh, no, I 
didn't expect that to happen. 

1717
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,680
Yeah. 
There's an XCOM meme that I 

1718
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,400
think is like the perfect 
encapsulation of what I like 

1719
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,120
about strategy games, which is 
like the mode of like Step 1 is 

1720
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,280
like, ha, ha, I'm a genius with 
that move. 

1721
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,720
And then the second panel is a 
guy going, oh, no, like, it's 

1722
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,840
like that's the cycle of playing
a strategy game. 

1723
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,560
It's like, you're like, oh, I'm 
prepared. 

1724
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,880
Oh wait, I'm not prepared. 
So yeah, I think if you had like

1725
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,080
the chess part doesn't even 
worry as much because I'm like, 

1726
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,440
OK, there's a little bit of 
distance to work on that. 

1727
01:28:18,440 --> 01:28:20,320
It's where? 
Well now the problem's here and 

1728
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,520
I don't have a turn between it 
showing up and it killing 

1729
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,560
someone. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1730
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,760
The blitz part of that was the 
part that was the more 

1731
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,680
frustrating thing. 
Yeah, totally. 

1732
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,360
I could see that. 
But I think there's something, 

1733
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,240
he said for the odds being 
against you and you, you know, 

1734
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,040
persever. 
I love when the game doesn't 

1735
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,160
feel fair, but then you get that
endorphin rush of winning 

1736
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,680
anyway. 
So Yep, Yep, totally feel. 

1737
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,320
And like I said, there's a 
couple levels where that was 

1738
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,120
really annoying and most of the 
levels went much better where it

1739
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:51,920
was like, okay, no, we switched 
things up. 

1740
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,560
I can readjust. 
It was just a couple where like 

1741
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,560
it didn't feel like there was 
the room to do so and it 

1742
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,680
mattered more because of the 
perma death. 

1743
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,240
I feel yeah, yeah. 
Anything else to complain about 

1744
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:04,520
the game before we go to our 
verdict? 

1745
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,080
I feel like I've said my piece. 
Like there is one other thing 

1746
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,680
that I find frustrating because 
it doesn't feel intuitive. 

1747
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,080
It's not really in the manual. 
It takes a while to sort out at 

1748
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,160
all is. 
So you've got the weapons 

1749
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,280
categories as far as like the 
weapons triangle and stuff, 

1750
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,200
great. 
But then it throws a bunch of 

1751
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:29,040
other things that I have no 
intuition as to what the heck 

1752
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:33,040
those are. 
You know, it's Lance versus axe 

1753
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:36,680
versus sword, right? 
And then it does stuff like this

1754
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,880
guy has a hammer. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1755
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,000
This one's a javelin. 
Like, I don't, I don't know. 

1756
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:48,160
Like I was not around in the 
Middle Ages and learned this as 

1757
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:53,040
like part of training. 
I don't know what a javelin 

1758
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,160
counts as categorically. 
Yeah, Stiltskin, Is that 

1759
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,440
accurate? 
Are are swords better against 

1760
01:29:58,440 --> 01:30:00,480
axes? 
Yes, 100%. 

1761
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,840
And if a guy runs at you with 
armor, if you have a hammer, 

1762
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,760
you've got them beat, you got 
them. 

1763
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,080
Locked. 
No, I I do feel you on that 

1764
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,640
because I was thinking that if 
you haven't played this game, 

1765
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,800
you might not know to give, 
like, Boyd the hammer and then 

1766
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,240
put him at the front. 
He's going to mow down like the 

1767
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,040
heavy armor dudes with the 
Spears. 

1768
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,560
But if he doesn't have that, 
he's going to get his clock 

1769
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,480
cleaned. 
You know, they don't really, 

1770
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:27,680
like, come out with that unless 
it's in the many hours of 

1771
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:29,920
tutorials that you're just 
supposed to peruse at your 

1772
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,160
leisure. 
I don't know. 

1773
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:35,160
But yeah, I was wondering about 
that, like how friendly this 

1774
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,440
was, because I was surprised at 
how it doesn't hold your hand 

1775
01:30:38,440 --> 01:30:42,160
for some of the major important 
little pieces of information you

1776
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,720
need to succeed at the game. 
Yeah, using the hammer in that 

1777
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,880
way was not covered, which 
probably explains his being 

1778
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:50,800
dead. 
Right. 

1779
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:52,640
Yeah. 
And so there was some stuff like

1780
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:57,360
that or I still really don't 
feel like I understand 

1781
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:02,160
conceptually what they get or 
like how it's functioning within

1782
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,520
the gameplay the the special 
weapons that you get. 

1783
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,880
Like the fire lands and things 
like that. 

1784
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,640
Yeah, I was thinking, you know, 
you get this, you know, I got 

1785
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:14,040
the sword that is good against 
the animal people. 

1786
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,160
Yeah. 
And it's like this is very 

1787
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:18,240
helpful. 
Can I have another one of these 

1788
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:22,960
somehow kind of things and 
figuring out which of those are 

1789
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:27,120
obtainable and which ones aren't
or to what extent, which is more

1790
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,040
just AI. 
Still don't feel like I have a 

1791
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,760
sense of how the game thinks 
about. 

1792
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,000
Like that's what I thought the 
forging was going to be actually

1793
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:36,840
was like, oh you can forge 
another one of these weapons 

1794
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:41,880
that's good against the armor 
piercer piercing sword or 

1795
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,160
something. 
Yeah, but I think that's what 

1796
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,080
you use the coins for when you 
forge it adds the special 

1797
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:48,760
attributes. 
But again, game didn't make that

1798
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,120
clear. 
And and you know, I mentioned 

1799
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:52,720
that Sauron went down early in 
my game. 

1800
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,720
I didn't get another magic user 
for like 10 levels, but God 

1801
01:31:55,720 --> 01:32:00,360
damn, I I found a lot of magic 
tomes I couldn't use, you know, 

1802
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,800
or like, oh, I got picking up 
all these arrows. 

1803
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,240
Too bad Shin on left me like it 
would have been nice, you know? 

1804
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,240
So yeah. 
So you only had him as your 

1805
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:13,000
magic user for a long stretch. 
And Tunoff also died. 

1806
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,640
Look, I have a problem with 
protecting the big brains. 

1807
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,120
What was the other one you had? 
Tunoff I think is his name. 

1808
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,960
The kid in the orange. 
Did you get the girl that looks 

1809
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:23,440
like she's from Sailor Moon 
Girl? 

1810
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:25,680
That. 
Looks like she's the magical 

1811
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,680
girl with the the short skirt 
mage character. 

1812
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,960
She was good. 
Ileana, Yeah. 

1813
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:32,720
Yeah. 
She was the one where I 

1814
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,240
discovered the oh, talking to 
enemies can be useful. 

1815
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:38,600
Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1816
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,040
And I think I kind of wish that 
there was something that would 

1817
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:44,720
at least let you know who you 
needed to get them to talk to in

1818
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,960
cases of just like this person's
got a this enemy has a name, 

1819
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,080
right? 
Someone can talk to them 

1820
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:54,360
probably. 
Yeah, You know, I think there's 

1821
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:57,480
some things that like, because 
this is what, the 10th game in 

1822
01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:00,960
the series or something? 
And yet in America there'd only 

1823
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,200
been three that came out here, 
right? 

1824
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:05,600
So I think there's some things 
that the Japanese team is just 

1825
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,920
like, oh, they've all played 
Fire Emble before. 

1826
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:09,320
They know this stuff, They don't
need to. 

1827
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,520
I was definitely feeling some of
that. 

1828
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,960
The 10 in Japan, 3 here thing, 
that's like because we're not on

1829
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,760
metric, right? 
Yeah, right. 

1830
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:18,880
All right. 
Well, guys, on that note, I 

1831
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,040
think that brings us to the 
moment of truth. 

1832
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,160
We've covered the Joy Pros, the 
Joy Cons, and every bit in 

1833
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:28,400
between, so it's time to declare
Fire Emblem Path of Radius, 

1834
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,720
Radiance. 
Path of Radiance. 

1835
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:32,520
I can do this. 
Path of your radius. 

1836
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:38,640
The path of your radius, the 
diameter has a mark 10 do or a 

1837
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,920
Nintend don't. 
Still, can you pick this game? 

1838
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,560
What say ye? 
Nintendo it, but I'm biased. 

1839
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,880
I I love this franchise. 
I think it's great. 

1840
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,160
I think most of the time if you 
pick up a Fire Emblem title of 

1841
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:54,040
some kind, it's going to give 
you a memorable story. 

1842
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,040
But it's a lot of game. 
It's a big undertaking. 

1843
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:01,920
I think what makes this great is
that it's a very full game on 

1844
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,640
this Nintendo Switch service. 
You know, I feel like it's a 

1845
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:09,120
great value because I remember 
when these games, especially the

1846
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:12,480
we won it used to go for like 
400 bucks on eBay or something 

1847
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:15,160
like that. 
These are very rare games. 

1848
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,400
This GameCube one. 
I I just think it's an 

1849
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,240
incredible value that you can 
pay the little subscription fee 

1850
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,000
and get access to this. 
So I'm having a blast playing 

1851
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,200
this. 
I'm going to play it at my own 

1852
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:28,520
leisure over the next couple 
weeks, slow style, I think, and 

1853
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,240
just have a good time. 
I really recommend it. 

1854
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:34,000
Yeah, my, my $1,000,000 idea is 
that on Nintendo Classics there 

1855
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,240
should be a little thing when 
you pick the game that tells you

1856
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,240
how much the game is worth on 
like eBay. 

1857
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,760
So like so you can be like I'm 
playing like I'm paying if 

1858
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,880
playing a $500 game for like 20 
bucks a month right now or 

1859
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:46,920
whatever. 
Or you can watch it drop when it

1860
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:50,680
comes out on the Nintendo 
classics like you can see the 

1861
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:53,560
the price. 
I mean, I think that's the 

1862
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,520
whole, there'd be a whole 
streaming category of let's Play

1863
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:59,120
games that nobody wants, you 
know, $3, the bargain bin 

1864
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:00,400
basement. 
Right. 

1865
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,640
I agree with you. 
A Path of Radiance is a 

1866
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,960
fantastic game. 
It's fun, it's compelling, 

1867
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:09,520
likable characters. 
The story feels not only well 

1868
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,760
written but important for the 
times that we're living in, and 

1869
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,280
I think Nintendo classics might 
be the perfect way to experience

1870
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,240
this game because like Stiltskin
said, it's affordable, but also 

1871
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,320
the ability to use save states. 
It kind of lets you undo, like 

1872
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:23,960
those oopsies that didn't really
feel like my fault. 

1873
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:27,080
Like we said, the menus are 
clunky, and so being able to 

1874
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,600
save state and undo damage that 
I did without actually losing 

1875
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:35,160
that much progress, I think it's
a Super Nintendo bordering on 

1876
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:39,000
Nintendo 64. 
But because of the way the game 

1877
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,240
did not stick the landing, I 
don't feel like I can give it 

1878
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,840
the highest of praise. 
But definitely Super Nintendo 

1879
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,280
for me. 
Mike, are you going to going to 

1880
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:48,880
complete the trilogy here? 
Clean Sweep. 

1881
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:50,840
I think I would go Nintendo on 
this. 

1882
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:54,640
For me I think it has a lot that
works for it tactically. 

1883
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:58,680
I think I am less swayed by the 
story per SE. 

1884
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,120
Like it. 
Not that it's bad, just that 

1885
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,680
it's that part doesn't feel 
stand out for the most part to 

1886
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:06,400
me. 
But I like that sort of tactical

1887
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:07,880
sense. 
I think it does it really well. 

1888
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:11,440
I think it's got a lot that just
because it could, the ability to

1889
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:14,920
select enemies and see where 
they can move to and where they 

1890
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:20,560
can attack from, for example, is
just so nice that it feels like 

1891
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:24,080
a lot of the tools are there to 
figure things out. 

1892
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,280
The extent that once I 
understood it, the way that I 

1893
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:29,560
can figure out who was going to 
be doing how much damage to who 

1894
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,560
really changed how I was playing
it. 

1895
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:36,400
So it does have a lot there. 
I think it does end up being a 

1896
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:40,200
pretty solid entry. 
And so where did you rank it out

1897
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,680
of our 112 games we've covered 
so far? 

1898
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:48,680
I personally, I put it very high
at 13 out of 112. 

1899
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:52,000
Wow, yeah, I really love this 
game. 

1900
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:56,040
I put it right below Pokémon 
Snap and right above Killer 

1901
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,080
Instinct, which is a weird 
chunk. 

1902
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:03,520
You know, we got fighting game 
strategy, Pokémon picture SIM. 

1903
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:07,240
But I just think there's a 
there's a level of quality in 

1904
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,360
all three of those products that
I think they're all really good 

1905
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,760
games bordering on must plays. 
Where did you put it in your 

1906
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:17,040
rankings, Mike? 
I put it at 24th. 

1907
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:20,320
OK. 
Which puts it right behind 

1908
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:22,960
Mario's Picross and above 
Earthbound. 

1909
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:24,280
Wow. 
Yeah. 

1910
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:27,120
So let's close that with. 
Wait, one quick thing I want to 

1911
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,120
say because this is the only 
time I've been on your show. 

1912
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:33,600
It's my number one game, but 
unfortunately it's also my last 

1913
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,400
place. 
So it's both the best game I 

1914
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,200
played for your podcast and the 
worst it's. 

1915
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,840
True, that bridges out. 
Good news and bad news for Fire 

1916
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,120
Emblem. 
That's that's, you know, highs 

1917
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:46,240
and lows, buddy. 
I love it. 

1918
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,880
So let's close out with our and 
standings. 

1919
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:52,520
Not Mike, not Jamo, but the and.
In between the mathematical 

1920
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,480
average of my ranking and 
Mike's. 

1921
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,880
Where did Fire Emblem Path of 
Radiance land in our combined 

1922
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:02,440
list it? 
Has ended up tied for 11th with 

1923
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:09,360
Ninja Gaiden and The Legend of 
Zelda 4 Swords, which puts it 

1924
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:14,400
one spot below Ocarina of Time 
and right above Sonic the 

1925
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:19,480
Hedgehog spinball. 
Mike ranking Sonic spinball as 

1926
01:38:19,480 --> 01:38:22,800
like third has really carried 
that game. 

1927
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,960
Mike. 
That's what happens when you ask

1928
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,560
me to rank things and then I 
rank things the way I feel they 

1929
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:30,440
should be ranked. 
All right. 

1930
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,440
I do remember that being fun 
though. 

1931
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,960
Sonic, I remember that being 
fun. 

1932
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,880
I haven't played it since the 
90s though so. 

1933
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:42,320
But would you agree that it is a
little worse than Fire Emblem? 

1934
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,240
And the Fire Emblem is a little 
worse than Ocarina? 

1935
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:45,960
Do you think this is a good spot
for its stiltskin? 

1936
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,040
You know, this is, this is 
subjective. 

1937
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,600
I don't know, like, you know, 
all this stuff is so subjective 

1938
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,520
because like Ocarina of Time, I 
didn't play that at the time. 

1939
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,320
So I don't have the same 
connection to it that some 

1940
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,200
people do where that was like 
their Zelda game, you know what 

1941
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:01,200
I mean? 
So like, I don't know, I've, 

1942
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:03,880
I've never connected to that 
Zelda very much. 

1943
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:07,160
I'm kind of a weirdo there. 
I don't know, I don't know how I

1944
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,800
feel about these rankings. 
Ninja Gaiden is great, but I 

1945
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,920
haven't played that in a long 
time. 

1946
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:14,160
I don't know. 
I don't know how I feel about it

1947
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,560
now, you know, I. 
Will say this does also put it 

1948
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:21,160
just a few spots ahead of the 
first shining force. 

1949
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:23,240
Yeah, we really like Shining 
Force. 

1950
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,960
I'd agree with that. 
I love Shining Forest but it's 

1951
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:29,160
it's a little primitive now. 
This feels like the natural 

1952
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:30,960
evolution of what the Shining 
Force. 

1953
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,120
I haven't played the newer 
Shining games, but I hope 

1954
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:36,000
they're like Fire Emblem because
it is fantastic. 

1955
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,880
Well guys, we're going to call 
that game over for today. 

1956
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,680
Stiltskin, thank you so much for
going on this adventure with us.

1957
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,920
Of course, before we banish you 
to oblivion by saying your name 

1958
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:47,880
three times in a row, where can 
our viewers go to find Shrug 

1959
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:50,000
Buds and anything else you'd 
like to plug? 

1960
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,560
OK, well you can find us on 
YouTube. 

1961
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:55,920
We've got an animated series. 
So if you're curious about me 

1962
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,680
and my friend Harvey and how we 
met and what our life is like, 

1963
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,040
we've got a little animated 
show. 

1964
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:06,000
It's got some fun cameos it it's
a good time on twitch.com/shrug 

1965
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:11,760
Buds on Tuesdays and Thursdays 
at 6:30 Pacific Time we do a 

1966
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:15,520
stream. 
Where we watch weird movies, 

1967
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,960
quote, UN quote bad movies. 
We're very bad movie positive. 

1968
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:21,520
I don't even like saying bad 
movie, but sometimes that helps 

1969
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,440
people understand what we watch.
We watch all kinds of stuff. 

1970
01:40:24,440 --> 01:40:27,600
It's all over the place. 
We do our little commentary on 

1971
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:29,480
it, but we also do comedy 
segments. 

1972
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:34,960
We read Heathcliff comics 
together and you know, I record 

1973
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:37,960
songs about the users and stuff 
like that. 

1974
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:39,920
So there's a lot of stuff going 
on in our Twitch. 

1975
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,320
There's all these like weird end
jokes and stuff like that. 

1976
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,120
It's a whole little mini 
universe for you to check out, 

1977
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:48,160
so definitely come join. 
It's very inclusive. 

1978
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:51,440
Everybody's welcome, and we'll 
roll out the red carpet for you 

1979
01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:53,360
if you decide to come to our 
stream. 

1980
01:40:53,480 --> 01:40:58,000
I would like to put full blame 
on you that as of today I now 

1981
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,240
have Heathcliff comics showing 
up in my Facebook algorithm. 

1982
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,400
Not a thing it's supposed to 
even know about. 

1983
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:07,480
That's amazing. 
That's how they get you. 

1984
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,040
And still skin. 
Did you ever shake the mental 

1985
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:12,680
image of powders butt from your 
mind or did I just put that back

1986
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:14,440
in there? 
It's back now. 

1987
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,880
You know, I honestly, I think 
the most disturbing thing in 

1988
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,920
that movie is Jeff Goldblum as 
the teacher coming back to 

1989
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:24,280
powder after the electrical 
event. 

1990
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:29,360
He's like, Powder, I had the 
best sex of my life after you 

1991
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,040
electrocuted me or whatever. 
And you're like, what? 

1992
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,040
That's your teacher, dude. 
Why is he telling you that? 

1993
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,400
And then, like, he's kind of 
like Powder. 

1994
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,920
Nobody touches you, do they? 
And I'm like, what? 

1995
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:42,680
And then he's just like rubs 
Powder's head like 

1996
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,160
affectionately I'm like, what 
the fuck is going on? 

1997
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:48,840
I I feel like that kind of flies
under the radar of inappropriate

1998
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:51,360
Powder scenes, but that's the 
thing that haunts me the most 

1999
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,760
for some reason. 
Well, it's a Victor Salva movie,

2000
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,120
so there you. 
Go all. 

2001
01:41:55,480 --> 01:41:57,520
Right guys, now that we're 
totally. 

2002
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,040
Now we left on that note. 
Yeah, bad taste in your mouth 

2003
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:01,920
here, guys. 
This has been Northeast. 

2004
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,240
Excellent. 
Everyone join us next time when 

2005
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:07,800
we're going to be double teaming
Double Dragon for the NES. 

2006
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:09,920
Oh hell yeah. 
Yeah, it's gonna be good. 

2007
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:10,840
You're gonna listen, aren't you?
Still. 

2008
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:12,760
I will, I will. 
I love being on the show. 

2009
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:14,160
It was fun. 
You got time. 

2010
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:15,640
You live thousands of years. 
You got time. 

2011
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,200
Yeah. 
Also, don't forget to visit 

2012
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:20,600
www.theoldswitcharoo.com where 
you can find links to our 

2013
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:23,960
Spotify, Discord, YouTube, 
TikTok and all the social medias

2014
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,840
you can shake a joystick at. 
Big thanks to Crystal Fields for

2015
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:29,840
our incredible intro song. 
And please, dear listener, don't

2016
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:33,160
forget to like and subscribe and
every click means a lot and you 

2017
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:35,720
mean a lot to us. 
Until next time, this has been 

2018
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:38,120
the old switcheroo. 
We've been talking gaming retro 

2019
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:40,080
with Mike and Jamo. 
I've been Mike. 

2020
01:42:40,440 --> 01:42:42,440
And I've been jamo game on 
everyone.