BONUS | Lite Switch: Feb 5, 2026 | The Complete Cheat Code Compendium kickstarter

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It's time to up, up, down, down,
left, right, left, right.

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Be a start the old switcheroo
where we're talking normally

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talking gaming retro with Mike
and Jamo.

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I'm Mike.
And I'm Jamo in this special

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light Switch episode, we're
taking a break from our usual

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quest to research and review
every game in the Nintendo

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Classics catalog to bring you a
sneak peek at the hottest up and

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coming book in gaming, the
Complete Cheat Code Compendium

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brought to you by Gameshark.
If you like what you hear, don't

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forget to like, follow and
subscribe and give us your

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thoughts in the comments below.
Mike, I don't know about you,

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but my favorite cheat code is a
special command.

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You take out your phone.
You text Mike and ask him to fix

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the problem.
Makes Lifeway easier.

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But you can't use that tray.
I can try.

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Do you have someone with an
intimate knowledge of cheat code

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history as well as the creation
of this impressive compilation?

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Yeah.
So we've already seen his

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encyclopedic levels of
information when we had the

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ghosts and ghouls and goblins
and etcetera franchise.

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So is great to welcome Cyril
from defunct games back.

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Hey, thanks guys.
J MO and Lomac Lubaca, No after

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a bad start.
No, it's great.

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You, you, you know what you're
doing.

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You're teasing our Discord,
baby.

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These are Discord names.
You got to you got to join the

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discard at
www.theoldswitcharoo.com to know

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who Low Baca is.
Cyril, great to have you back.

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Congratulations on smashing this
project's Kickstarter goal

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within half a day of it
launching.

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How does it feel to have, as of
recording nearly 1000 people

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cheering you on and putting
their money where their mouth

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is?
It's pretty cool.

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Yeah, this absolutely blew all
of my expectations.

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I I kind of went and I'm, I'm
new to the, the Kickstarter

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thing.
I was vaguely part of the the

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EGM compendium.
I contributed a little bit to

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that, but obviously I had
nothing to do with the success

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of that.
And so seeing that, or maybe I

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did so seeing that, so seeing
this actually, you know, this

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actually come about and and not
only I smashed the goal, but I

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don't know, we're up.
We're we're pushing 80,000 at

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this point.
And that's, that's real exciting

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that it is exceeded my
expectations.

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Well, you just deserve it A.
Long way to go.

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Yeah, it's, it's, it's really,
really cool.

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And before I get too far ahead
of myself, I don't want to make

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sure I didn't misspeak because I
saw on the Kickstarter the the

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mock up cover published by Game
Pro.

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That's the Game Pro or is it
someone who worked in Game Pro?

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What?
What's the story with that?

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Because that brand has not been
around in some time.

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Yes, well, we're going to start
with the hard questions, huh?

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No, listen, I offered to listen,
listener.

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I was trying to softball when I
was like, you want to see the

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questions of dancing?
He said.

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We're living on the razor's
edge.

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And question number one, I'm
already getting grief for.

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But yeah, I was a huge fan of
game pro.

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That was my childhood.
So I see that on the cover.

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I'm going to ask about it,
Cyril.

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And so are people.
So we got to spill the tea.

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We are definitely working with
some of the people that created

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Game Pro.
That's about as much as I can

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say about that.
But also a lot of that is not

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stuff that I am dealing with.
That is this is a big creation

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of Todd Hayes.
Todd, of course, created the Co

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founded the poorly named STD
accessories back in the day, not

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the greatest name, and then
changed that strong armed and

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changed that to interact
accessories in the in the mid

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90s.
And of course that became, you

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know, that gave us Gameshark and
all sorts of other things that

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everybody remembers.
And he's, he's come aboard to,

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he is, he's created this book
that wants to chronicle the

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entire history of cheat codes,
not just cheat devices, but as

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you said at the beginning, like
the Konami code, the Mortal

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Kombat blood code, big head
modes and all sorts of other

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things.
And kind of the rise and fall of

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hints and tips, cheats and, and,
and those cheating, the cheating

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devices and see if there's still
a a future if we can get back

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to, to cheating.
Yeah.

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And so a lot of that is going to
be on him.

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I'm just here to to write the
damn thing.

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I'm here to to do the interviews
and to to actually write down

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the the information and and make
it fun for everybody, just like

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I do on defunct cams.
That's, that's awesome.

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The description on the
Kickstarter, it says behind that

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era where the tinkerers, the
engineers, the innovators who

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refused to accept hardware
limits.

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Their work shaped the golden age
of cheat code culture.

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But the era is fading.
Websites gone, magazines lost,

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devices scattered and forgotten.
This compendium brings it all

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back.
Every device, every story, every

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legendary cheat code preserved
in one definitive volume.

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The golden age of cheat codes
finally has a home.

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The Complete Cheat Code
Compendium.

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Estimated release September
2026.

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Mike, did that make you sad at
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I don't know if I'd say sad it.
It has got me thinking about a

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distinction, but I don't think
I've ever really thought about

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before.
That being.

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Which is because I think
especially being more of like

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APC gamer kind kind of stuff.
When I think cheat code, I

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really think cheat code of a
thing that you're entering in

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that the developers had included
in in some capacity.

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But then when you get into
something like the Gameshark,

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where I think that was more
interfering with the signals

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going between the game and the
console, I think, right, right.

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So to what extent these are
really, I think two different

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things then, right?
Where you have on one hand, what

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developers put in a game, and on
the other hand you have how you

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can manipulate the game.
Like it feels closer to more

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something like mod like modern
mods or something.

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Yes, no and and I agree the no,
I agree because I think that and

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we'll we'll cover both of those.
But there is a distinction

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between them.
Obviously there is a distinct

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history when it comes to a lot
of the especially the early 8

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and 16 bit games.
So why those codes were were

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placed in there in the 1st
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How magazines would use those
to, you know, Sally issues.

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The cheating was one of the
biggest leading reasons why

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people bought Game Pro or
Electronic Monthly though you

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know, Nintendo Power was started
almost entirely on just

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strategies.
And I mean, there was no

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editorializing in there.
There was just pictures of maps.

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And so I think that the cheating
is something that was there from

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the beginning for reason.
And then of course, that evolved

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into the game Genie, the the
proaction replay and Gameshark

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and, and all of those devices
that came after that.

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But there was that's a
completely different story that

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we're also going to include.
And, and a lot of that is going

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to be about the drama that came
from it.

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Because right, as you point out,
yeah, they, they put Nintendo

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put Justin Bailey into, into
Metroid.

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It wasn't, you know, Game Shark
or Todd or somebody else.

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It was, it was Nintendo, one of
their developers.

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Whereas, you know, with, you
know, with the Game Shark, all

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of these first parties fought
Game Genie and all of these

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other cheating devices.
So yeah, they're they're two

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distinct stories, but they're
all part of the same narrative.

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Yeah, and, and, and that is,
it's interesting because like,

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as you probably remember on our
show, I will cheat using rewind

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features to reach the end of
every game.

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And I feel like I get so much
crap for that.

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My brother was just busting my
chops in one of her upcoming

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episodes.
And I feel like when we were

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growing up, cheats and cheating
and cheat codes was kind of more

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celebrated.
Like we would just be so excited

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to see the end of a game that no
one gave you grief for not

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reaching it legitimately.
I don't know.

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Did you guys feel like that was
a part of gaming culture growing

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up?
I don't really think it.

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Was well some of those games,
especially the 8 and 16 bit

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games were really tough.
Like I I dare you to to beat

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Ninja Gaiden the first Ninja
Gaiden the on the the Nintendo

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Entertainment System without
cheating.

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I got to the last boss without
cheating.

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Wow.
Yeah, but he had to start that

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whole level over again.
If you if you died and so yeah,

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obviously rewind or a safe state
that didn't exist, you know,

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back in the day, the, the, the,
the luxuries, the quality of

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life changes that emulation
gives us are are nice and

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probably can be considered
cheating.

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But you know how many people
would have seen the end of

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Contra without the Konami code
or things like that?

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And as has been brought up many
times before, it's just a level

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of accessibility.
Not everybody is at the same

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level of, of being able to beat
a game or not everybody's real

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good at video games.
So it does level, level things a

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little bit and gives people a
chance to see an ending or rent

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a game that they might not be
interested in back in the day,

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of course, and and actually get
far enough into it.

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So I think I think cheat codes
are a good thing.

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You know they're always
optional.

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I think I, I think I'm a more as
not something that I ever really

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had as A and so it helped me see
the end of the game.

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We like the the the things that
fall under cheat codes one way

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or another, I think tended to be
things that made the get

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gameplay fun but didn't
necessarily advance it.

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Which like, I like, I think this
one, this feels like this counts

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in this.
I'll, I'll bring this up, but I

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did this to to Jamo recently at
an arcade where we were playing

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Cruisin and I switched to
alternate vehicles, which

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doesn't do any.
Yeah, which doesn't do anything

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for, you know, it doesn't make
it more likely that I'll win.

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It just changes something that
is more fun because it those are

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cooler vehicles than the normal
ones.

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Or I think, you know, a lot of
the Goldeneye stuff was nothing

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that ever helped me beat the
single player game and see the

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end of that game, but it made
multiplayer more interesting.

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Oh sure, absolutely.
Or even the single player with

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like the big head mode.
But So what I loved as a kid was

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that, you know, games were
expensive and they're they're

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expensive again, or they always
happen.

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I don't know what it is, but
you'd rent a game and you know,

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you're like, oh, this game, the
Mighty Max game, Isn't that

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actually the Mighty Max game was
kind of dope.

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But like you rent a game like
like dinosaurs for Hire, for

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example, in the sake of Genesis,
it's like this mindless shooter

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and you're like, well, I only
have the weekend to play this.

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Might as well whip up the game
Genie, see the end of the game.

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And if it's like fun enough,
then I'll try to just get

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legitimately good.
But at least I got to enjoy all

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of the content in my weekend
rental and I don't know why.

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I mean I don't know if this is
tangential or related, but why

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did renting games just go away?
I would so pay $5 to try a brand

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new game and just download it
and then after five days it like

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deletes or something.
Is it Conspiracy would just be

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rampant.
It's because physical media went

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away.
Yeah, I guess so.

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And and yeah, there's, there's
not and you know it.

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It doesn't help that we're
dealing with discs that get

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scratched and what not.
I mean, there are a bunch of

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reasons why, but yeah, it just,
there's not as much money and

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unfortunately we didn't get a
good alternative.

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You know, we don't Sony or
Nintendo don't have weekend

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rentals or or things like that
where they they probably could,

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but I don't know, you know.
Yeah, I can think of Steam doing

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stuff that almost feels in that
they don't have like the free

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weekends check something out or
and that they do have a return

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policy on on games.
Yeah, so does Nintendo.

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I mean, you can do that in
Nintendo too.

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It's.
Just yeah, Sony and Microsoft do

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as well.
OK.

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It's just funny though, because
I feel like there's a stigma on

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returning things in this
country, so people don't really

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like to do it.
But so can we jump into the book

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itself because there's so much
to unpack?

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Or Cyril, are we allowed to talk
cover because the Kickstarter

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has like a mock up?
It has a mock up that that I

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agree.
Is that so?

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It is dope.
For those who haven't seen it,

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it's super 90s.
You're looking at the shark's

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mouth and inside the shark's
mouth is this pile of cheat

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devices.
And then wedged between the

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teeth is a Gameshark 2 disc.
So Cyril, who's designing the

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cover and kind of what goes into
making something feel peak 90s

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in 2026?
Well, boy, I'm not.

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As far as I know, Todd has
somebody who's going to be

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designing covers, and I believe
there's also going to be a slip

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cover.
I think that's one of the goals.

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But as far as I know, I'm not
the one doing it, thankfully,

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because I'm terrible at that
kind of thing.

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What I do know is that we're
trying to pull things like I

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said, from the, the 8 and 16 bit
era, but also sort of the, the

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end of cheat codes where the
early 2000s 'cause I, I feel

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like I don't know, around 2005
or 2006 is when they started to

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go away with the Xbox 360 and
PlayStation 3.

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And we're trying to, we're
trying to cover a few decades

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where, you know, because
everybody has nostalgia for a

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different, a different decade.
When I think of cheat codes, a

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lot of my cheat codes are in
that 8 and 16 bit.

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But for a lot of people, when
you think of cheat codes, it's

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spawning cars in Grand Theft
Auto or all of the Grand Theft

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Auto codes that really the last
one beating that cheat code

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drum.
Yeah, 100% and that one reminds

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me of one of my favorite cheat
codes, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, the

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debug mode.
You guys have it in the trailer

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for the book.
You made the trailer right?

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Yeah.
Yeah, beautiful trailer.

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Well, we'll link to it.
It's it's a piece of work of

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art.
But Mike, you know, we covered

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Sonic the Hedgehog too, and I'm
so embarrassed to not mention

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the debug mode.
Are you familiar with what what

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this is?
I'm not sure, I thought there

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was some way that like a sound
cue you can get to like a level

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select or something crazy.
But I know that's what you're

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talking about.
Yeah, it has that.

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But what what it is, is almost
like a Mario Maker style mode,

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where with the touch of a
button, you can turn the Sprite

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of Sonic into what's essentially
a cursor to place any item or

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any enemy in a level, and then
you can press a button to resume

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play or just torment the Tails
character.

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But like, this was something
that predated Mario Maker by

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Cyril.
How about two decades?

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Definitely, yeah.
I mean 91 and when did Mario

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Maker come out?
I mean, yeah, for sure.

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It's it was way ahead of its
time and it's something that I'm

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honestly surprised not a lot of
other games had.

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So it's it's on the of all the
games on the the Nintendo Switch

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Online, it's one of the coolest
codes.

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And I think if you told people
like, hey, there's a there's a

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Sonic Maker that Sega made, they
just didn't advertise it because

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it was a cheat code in a game of
called Sonic 2.

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I think people be really into
hearing about that.

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So, so Speaking of, you know,
Origins here, how did you come

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to be the writer of this book?
Todd Hayes pitched it to you.

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You approached him.
What was the genesis of all

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this?
Well, I had a phone call with

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Todd who is way more fun to talk
to than than I am.

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He is just so much fun mile a
minute, so many stories about

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the industry.
I could write 10 books just on

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the few phone calls I've had
with them.

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And no, he and I gelled.
I pitched him a bunch of he

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asked, you know, what are the
ideas you would have for the

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book?
And I, I pitched 10 or 15

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different, different ideas, went
back and forth and it did seem

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like he liked the ideas I had.
So we're, we're going ahead with

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it that that's basically the the
origin story.

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And then once, once I jumped on
and this all happened very

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quickly.
It was just a couple of months

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really this all came together.
It's been a whirlwind for the

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last few last few weeks and
which is crazy because I just

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got back from three weeks at in
Oregon on on vacation at the

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coast.
But yeah, it's all came together

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real quickly and it's been a lot
of fun.

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And I've just been researching
and writing and doing interviews

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and just getting people ready to
to contribute to this thing,

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both financially and of course,
actually writing so that it's

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not just me.
We're actually going to have a

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lot of people, game developers,
industry players, critics and

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and people that worked on those
old magazines talking about

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these classic codes as well as
just fans.

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That's awesome.
So is there an aspect of one of

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your ideas for this that looks
like it'll be in there that

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you're particularly, you think
it's either going to be

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particularly unique or just that
you're enjoying the chance to

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explore?
Absolutely everything related to

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everything related to, and this
is not going to surprise you,

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everything related to the
magazines that that put in cheat

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codes, which is all of them, but
but specific pro and, and that

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the ones that were designed
around specifically for cheat

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codes interest me.
And I, I'm excited to talk to

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those people and about how they
approach not making a magazine

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that had previews and reviews,
which was most magazines in that

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era, but just strategies and
codes and where they got them.

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And you know, and sort of the,
the longevity of that because

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there are a lot of people who
still say that those magazines

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not Nintendo Power or game pro
or EGM or what have you.

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Those tip magazines were their
favorite, even though I, I'm

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real curious to talk to to those
people and explore more of that

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world and really bring that to
life.

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Because I feel like as with the
case with all magazines, they've

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it's just a different, it's a
different era and it's all gone

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away and I love exploring that.
It's just something that I'm

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into.
Yeah, you've you've been running

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the defunct games website for
over a quarter century at this

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point.
Yeah.

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It started in 2001.
So this is our 25th anniversary

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in April.
Is is.

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Gemini correct in estimating
you've had some 15,000 reviews

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slash articles.
Who's Gemini?

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The robot you have a.
Phone number 0.

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All right, I.
Would you guess though 15,000 is

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somewhere in the ballpark.
15,000 that's.

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What it says?
Right.

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There's there's no way that's
true So no, but I mean, yeah,

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there's a lot of there's a lot
of stuff on debug games.

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Maybe it's gotten out of hand.
I boy, that does sound like a

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lot though.
I have to do the math to figure

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out how how much that is per
year.

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There's probably things that
it's counting as articles that

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are not articles.
That does seem high, but it's

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definitely up there.
We've, I mean, in my career,

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I've probably written 3 or 4,
maybe 5000 reviews.

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So it's it's probably up there
somewhere.

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You know, I bet you it's doing
it's counting when you discuss

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reviews written by other people
and that each one of those is a

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review discussed.
That's probably what it is.

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But you know, what's it feel
like to be writing the very sort

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of thing you'd normally be
critiquing?

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You have been studying gaming
journalism, you know, for like,

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it feels like your adult life
and now you are about to

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contribute a book to it.
That's got to feel cool.

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Yeah.
Well, look, as a, as a writer,

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I've always wanted to write a
book.

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And so this is really a dream
come true.

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What I will say though, is that
this doesn't feel that different

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from what I'm already doing
because I, you know, I started

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as a a freelance journalist.
I've, you know, not just game

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critic or whatever, but I, you
know, I've, I've written my

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share of, of news stories and
features and various magazines

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and newspapers and websites and
whatnot.

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So this is just me doing that on
a bigger level.

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And then also, you know, trying
to work in more interviews and,

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and history and stuff like that.
It's, it's just a bigger project

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than what I'm used to because a
lot of the time, you know, I'll

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like with the, the Nintendo
Switch online games that get

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announced, you know, I can do my
research in a day or two.

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This I actually need to really
interview and talk to a lot of

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different people to get the full
story.

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But I know you're up for it.
So the the compendium itself, it

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says that the book includes the
top 100.

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Are you handling the curation of
the cheat codes or are you doing

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the interviews and the article
content?

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Both to an extent my, my gig
here is mostly in writing and

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getting the, getting the
contributors to contribute both

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big and small in big and small
ways.

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That's most of what I'm doing.
However, obviously, yeah, we're,

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we have a, a group that's kind
of looking at, you know, we're,

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we're kind of judging what the
best hints and, and tips and

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sheets and whatnot are and, you
know, looking at the different

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magazines to see what they
thought the best ones were.

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I mean, in the, the Nintendo
Powers 100th issue, they had a

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list of the 100 best cheat codes
of all time, though that was

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like 97 or 98 or something.
So it's, it's missing a lot of

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games, but it's fun to, you
know, to pick and choose what

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are going to be the the 100 or
it's probably going to be more

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than 100.
But we're going to have all the

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iconic and all the ones that
that made history, some of the

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infamous ones that got companies
in trouble.

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And we'll really take a look at
the the full history of that.

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That's awesome.
And the pop culture ripples

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because obviously, you know,
there are cheat codes that

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appear in movies and and songs
and whatnot these days.

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I.
Mean does does the Konami code

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still work on Google?
Oh.

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It did so oh, like if you put in
the search bar.

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If you were on the Google
homepage and you put in the

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Konami code, it used to do
something.

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It's tough, but yeah, that's a
great.

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I'm going to have to test that.
Of it kind of, you know,

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permeating the culture.
And I and I do like that one

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because I, I don't like to brag,
but I did discover the Konami

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code I believe.
What?

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Not first, but independently.
I don't believe that I have

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memories of being at someone
else's house playing Nintendo,

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which is not a thing I normally
did because you didn't have one.

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And having never been good, I
think it actually was Contra and

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basically button mashing and
then being like I have 30 lives

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and that does not seem right
but.

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Why would you button mashing on
the menu?

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That's why I'm calling bullshit.
Then it's a different it went to

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I suddenly have a lot of lives
in this game and I don't.

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I do not know how and could
never replicate it.

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That's fair.
Yeah, I want to.

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Can I share my weirdest cheat
code story?

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Yeah, well, I want to hear them.
Because I feel like that's

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what's fun about this idea,
Cyril, is that these cheat codes

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do become almost legendary.
Or actually you said in the

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trailer you're even covering
fake ones like the Sheng Yong

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Street Fighter one, you know, so
it feels like a myth and

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sometimes it just full on is a
myth.

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I remember getting the
blockbuster secret codes 97.

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Blockbuster Video would have
published these little handbooks

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every year.
And I bought it because it was

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like on sale next to the Milk
Duds for like $4.00.

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Like I bought it in 1998, you
understand, It was like last

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year's edition.
And so I got it for dirt cheap

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because like, I didn't have any
money as a kid.

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And I'm flipping through it and
I go to the back where it covers

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X-Men, Children of the Atom.
Do you guys know that game?

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Yeah, the the Capcom game.
Yeah, Mike, it's X-Men in the

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style of Street Fighter, right?
So it was Young Jamo's favorite

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game.
And I'm flipping through and I'm

446
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:12,760
like this, this book says I can
play as Akuma in the X-Men game.

447
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,720
It was it was a surreal moment.
It was like Bugs and Mickey

448
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,760
sharing a screen.
Who Framed Roger Rabbit Like I

449
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,080
would.
I didn't think you could do

450
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,880
that.
You know, Cyril, do you have a

451
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,080
favorite like Cameo cheat code
like that?

452
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,920
Oh boy.
Cameo.

453
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Yeah.
Like when the unlocks a

454
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,200
character from something else.
Oh.

455
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,000
Geez, probably.
I mean Akuma showed up

456
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,680
previously in Super Street
Fighter 2 Turbo.

457
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,680
I believe it was the one.
He would kill a bison at the

458
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,240
end.
Yeah, boy.

459
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,880
Well, you know, the Earthworm
gym games had some fun cameos.

460
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,120
Like you could have a like a
Donkey Kong head.

461
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,720
What?
Did you ever you ever see that?

462
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,600
That's a fun little cameo.
Like it looked like Donkey Kong

463
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,320
from and they didn't get sued
for that.

464
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,720
No, it's just playful.
That's awesome.

465
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,760
You look that up.
That's a lot of fun.

466
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,600
Both cameos.
Jeez.

467
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,240
You know what's gonna happen is
5 minutes from now, I'm gonna be

468
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,840
like, that's the one.
Well, we'll still be recording 5

469
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,960
minutes from now, so.
We, you know, these days, you

470
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,320
know, you actually bring up a
good point because you know,

471
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,520
back in the day to get some of
those, those extra fighters like

472
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:38,480
in Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo
or in the Marvel and stuff like

473
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,800
that, you'd actually have to put
in a cheat code or you'd have

474
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,720
have to do or you'd have to
unlock them.

475
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,680
I mean, I remember when I bought
the the first Marvel Versus

476
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,800
Capcom on the Dreamcast, or
maybe it was the second one, it

477
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,200
had like 30 unlockable
characters.

478
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,640
Oh yeah.
And that's the sort of stuff

479
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,360
that at one time would have been
unlockable or would have been a

480
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:02,720
cheat code, whereas these days
they're just going to sell it to

481
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,040
you.
Yeah, I, I think I tasted blood

482
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,360
when I saw in the trailer that
Capcom Arcade Stadium, I think

483
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:13,560
it's called, sells cheat codes
as DLC.

484
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,640
You want invincibility?
Give us $0.99 and it's like, oh,

485
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,760
gross, right?
Yeah, that's that's not great.

486
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,160
And yeah.
I, I had a programming question

487
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,760
and I feel like Mike, you, you
kind of alluded to understanding

488
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,000
it, but did you guys ever have a
Gameshark or a Game Genie and

489
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,960
you put codes in incorrectly on
purpose to see what would

490
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,880
happen?
Oh, sure, absolutely.

491
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,800
I mean that that's half the fun
of, of both of those is sort of

492
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,120
testing, you know, you'd, you'd
kind of backwards, backwards

493
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,360
engineer the codes.
You'd sort of see, OK, these

494
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,920
numbers and these letters are
doing one thing.

495
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,560
So if we just change one thing,
what's it going to do?

496
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,920
And that's half the fun of those
devices.

497
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,640
And some of the later game
sharks.

498
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,680
You could of course save those
and, and whatnot.

499
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,440
But I mean, that was trying to
break the, the NES games or the

500
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,480
Super NES games in glorious ways
was half the fun of the Game

501
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,200
Genie.
And it's obviously one of the

502
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,200
reasons why Nintendo didn't want
you to have one.

503
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,760
Right, right.
So my brothers and I had, I had

504
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,800
mentioned it earlier, Dinosaurs
for Hire on the Sega Genesis,

505
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,040
and we have a memory of that
one.

506
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,280
Yeah, Cyril, you know this game.
I I was at the winter Consumer

507
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,600
Electronics Show when they when
Sega showed that off.

508
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,040
That shows my age.
Oh my gosh.

509
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,840
I still have a a button or pin
for for that game.

510
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,760
Probably a couple of them.
Yeah, you got to post that to

511
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,160
the Discord.
I need to see these.

512
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,240
So, Mike, dinosaurs for hire.
Did I ever make you play this

513
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,280
one?
Not that I'm aware of.

514
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,840
It wasn't very good.
I don't even really the comic

515
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,040
only ran for like 3 years.
I think it's incredible.

516
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,080
Even got, you know, a game.
But it was very much that Ninja

517
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,760
Turtles era of like take an
animal and anthropomorphize them

518
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,360
and give them attitude.
You have a you have a comic, you

519
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,680
have a game.
So it was in that vein.

520
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,200
But so there was this
Triceratops character who had

521
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,600
this worthless melee attack.
I'm going to give something just

522
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,520
for the YouTube viewers here.
It was worthless because your

523
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,760
head butt right like you just
you didn't lunge.

524
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,360
You're just you're a little
Sprite just standing where it

525
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,960
was.
So unless an enemy happened to

526
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,720
be already about to land on your
head, you didn't hit them.

527
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:30,840
OK, is this making sense so far?
Just say yes.

528
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,520
Yes.
So so we put in a game genie

529
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,680
code that we knew was wrong and
everything seemed fine until the

530
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,200
end of level 1.
And then my triceratops head

531
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,280
separated from his body and flew
into the sky and just just took

532
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,560
off.
It just yielded into the

533
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,160
horizon.
So now my headless triceratops

534
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,120
is just standing there and then
three seconds later the game

535
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,160
hard crashes.
How?

536
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,960
How was that possible through
just a botched code in a game

537
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,320
genie?
What was the Game Genie in the

538
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,040
Gameshark doing programming
wise?

539
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,480
It was trying to be decaf attack
another saying a game on the

540
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,240
Genesis.
Yes, Cyril all.

541
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,040
I set him up, you knock him
down.

542
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,080
But I seriously though, I don't
understand the magic.

543
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,960
What is it doing?
Boy, I don't know.

544
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,080
I'm not a programmer.
I just write about it.

545
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,760
Mike is Mike.
What's it doing?

546
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:31,520
Yeah, Mike.
Yeah, I mean, it ultimately just

547
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,320
sounds like it gets into a point
where the game does not know how

548
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,520
to proceed.
Right.

549
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,320
So what exactly is breaking?
I'm less sure about like that is

550
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,400
what it is.
Just like it has reached a point

551
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,280
where the next thing it needs to
do just doesn't work.

552
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,400
Right, whatever they program to
keep those two sprites together,

553
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,800
it's like, oh, and that so
coding is like that.

554
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,960
If one thing goes wrong, it's
like a strand of Christmas

555
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,960
lights and you lose everything.
It depends on how how things are

556
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,920
set up.
And especially when you get the

557
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,240
distinction between like like
something that is really like a

558
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,960
hard lock versus a soft lock
where it's just like it just

559
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,400
crashes or it's just it is stuck
and nothing is happening.

560
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Which like in modern games, I
think probably feels like it

561
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,400
mostly shows up in procedurally
generated games that haven't

562
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,320
tested everything out.
And you end up in a situation

563
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,840
where it's like the games
trigger for something needs to

564
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,240
happen.
Actually, I just watched a video

565
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,640
talking specifically about this
with Star Trek Vagabond, which I

566
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,840
talked about, which was Yossi
Crow Shaw's game.

567
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,040
Yeah.
And had a situation where on

568
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:44,040
procedurally generated levels,
it would hit a soft lock if a

569
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,040
character needed to walk on for
a cutscene and there happened to

570
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,800
be an item or be an object that
had been generated outside the

571
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,040
view where the character needs
to come from.

572
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,280
And it's just stuck.
And it was one of those things

573
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,080
where just like the game, just
from the user perspective is

574
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,120
like, well, the game just froze,
or I shouldn't say froze, but

575
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,880
the game, the game has stopped
and it will no longer advance.

576
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,240
Why is that?
And it's because it's something

577
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,600
going on that you can't see
because it just knows, oh, move

578
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,800
this character to here and then
move into a cutscene and it

579
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,480
can't trigger because something
else is blocking it.

580
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Yeah, it reminds me of our
friends on the discord SSJ 3

581
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,560
Butch and Kill the Chica.
They do a lot of Zelda

582
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,800
randomizers and I think they
called it solvable logic where

583
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,520
the game is set up to not crash
or put you into a dead end that

584
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,880
you can't get out of.
I think that's a different

585
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,080
thing.
In their case, they're talking

586
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:44,520
more about do you have, you
know, is the key to a box inside

587
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,720
the box that it's the key for
kind of like situations like you

588
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,600
that you can get yourself locked
in that sense where it's not a

589
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,760
programming lock, it's a logic
lock.

590
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,280
Whether or not you have the
ability to reach those items

591
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,840
versus we're not the code can
simply run to reach those

592
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,800
things.
Yeah.

593
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,520
So I have a logic lock question
for Cyril.

594
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,320
This got me thinking.
One of the, I think the most

595
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,480
intriguing parts about this book
is like, what constitutes a

596
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,639
cheat code, right?
Because like, there were things

597
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,120
we've covered on our show.
It's like Mario Kart 64.

598
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,800
You go into the tunnel in
Calamari Desert, the train track

599
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,600
tunnel.
And if you turn around with a

600
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,639
superstar and go back across
where the finish line would be,

601
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:33,000
it counts as a whole lap.
But there is a sly reference to

602
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,360
that trick in the research
manual.

603
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,719
Research manual, instruction
manual.

604
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,520
Excuse me.
So if an if a developer

605
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,679
acknowledges it as being in the
game, is it no longer a cheat

606
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,600
code?
What constitutes a cheat code

607
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,760
exactly in your philosophy as
you're creating this book?

608
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,600
I am taking a broad approach to
what a cheat code is for me to

609
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,440
keep this interesting to keep,
you know, to have a lot of

610
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,600
things to write about.
For me, it's not just like the

611
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,440
Konami code or something like
that.

612
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,960
It's also something that maybe
wasn't supposed to be there,

613
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,200
like the minus world in Super
Mario Brothers.

614
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,920
I would consider that even
though you're not technically

615
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,080
doing a code, you're kind of
breaking the game.

616
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,480
I would consider that to be
something of a cheat code or,

617
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:31,000
you know, even a section about
passwords and things like that

618
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,440
and how they were used.
Sometimes just to, you know,

619
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,120
save your progress, obviously,
but sometimes as a cheater, as

620
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,640
you know, like I said, with
Justin Bailey, or even with like

621
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,400
the Legend of Zelda, the the the
whole second quest when it came

622
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,800
to putting in Zelda as your as
your name.

623
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:54,360
So I think that as far as I'm
concerned, we're going to keep

624
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,560
it broad so that it can have, as
you know, we can cover as much

625
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:05,880
stuff as possible and not just
have it be about the same level

626
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,840
selects and, you know, infinite
lives and and things like that.

627
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,440
We're going to keep it
interesting.

628
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,840
So with that, since that
basically is kind of opening it

629
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,600
up to glitches and exploits that
people find.

630
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,200
Yes.
Then I think that leads me to

631
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:29,480
wonder about your take on like
there's, I think even even the

632
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,600
era like the the 90s, there's
situations where like I think

633
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,080
people play like some of the
Japanese Zelda games instead of

634
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,040
the American ones because
there's things you can do in the

635
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Japanese version that were fixed
by the time there is an American

636
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,760
release.
And so you have this idea like

637
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,920
with physical media, you had a,
this is the version you need

638
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,960
that allows you to do these
exploits now.

639
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,640
So much of gaming is digital.
These kinds of things get

640
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:02,520
patched.
Is that harming a lot of the fun

641
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,360
and gaming that you're losing?
You're losing that sort of

642
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,360
people have discovered it and
shared it because now it's

643
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,960
people discover it and then
someone patched it.

644
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,880
It disappears from every for
everybody else.

645
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,480
Oh, definitely.
And, you know, I, I can

646
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,440
understand them wanting to patch
things.

647
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,520
You know, sometimes there are
just things that break the game

648
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,480
in ways they don't want you to
do.

649
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,440
But, you know, often it's
because they're online games

650
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,000
and, you know, you don't want to
get into a situation where

651
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,520
somebody can go inside of a wall
or something and, and have an

652
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,400
unfair advantage.
But yeah, I know.

653
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,600
I I think that, yeah.
It's patching is both a good

654
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,920
thing and a bad thing in that in
that sense.

655
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,800
And we have lost a lot of sort
of a lot of the innocence of the

656
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,320
cheat codes back in the day.
And you're right, you know, the

657
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,720
game you got was the game you
got and you can exploit it.

658
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,880
And that was the fun of getting
those devices.

659
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,800
You can exploit it in different
ways that nobody thought you

660
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,800
should be able to, but I don't
know.

661
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,040
No, I the you know, there are
games, you're not just Grand

662
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,760
Theft Auto, but there are games
that are still doing cheat

663
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,160
codes.
I think that some of the indie

664
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,360
games that are doing, you know,
throwback specific, you know,

665
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,120
trying to be 8 and 16 big games
and whatnot.

666
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,400
I think a lot of those are
purposely putting in cheat codes

667
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,440
and and whatnot.
Yeah, people like hungry for

668
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,840
them.
I had a Pro Action Replay Plus.

669
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,040
Is that what it was called?
Cereal.

670
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,880
Yeah.
And I was a Sega Saturn kid and

671
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,600
there aren't many of us left.
I have a Saturn.

672
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,160
OK, so Cyril, you know that some
of the greatest Sega Saturn

673
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,080
games never made it to the
States.

674
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,320
Yeah, and so my Pro Action may
play.

675
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,320
Plus, I got it so I could play
X-Men versus Street Fighter on

676
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,160
my Sega Saturn and I like puffed
out my chest.

677
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,920
Having friends over because
they're like, this is

678
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,000
incredible.
And the PlayStation, something

679
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,480
about the architecture of it, it
just did not handle 2D sprites

680
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,680
or processing as fast as the
Saturn could or something.

681
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,240
But.
It didn't have enough RAM.

682
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,120
That's what.
OK.

683
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,480
You can get the RAM cartridge
for the Saturn and that really

684
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,520
helped.
Yeah, and those games, so it, it

685
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,520
was like pretty much arcade,
perfect recreations of these

686
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,320
wildly popular Capcom fighting
games.

687
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,960
Are you going to explore any of
the other Gameshark uses in your

688
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,080
book?
Because it's not like it's just

689
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,720
a cheat code device.
No, I, I think that's, that is

690
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:37,320
actually a great point because I
want to look at the

691
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,520
accessibility of it.
We actually have been talking to

692
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,200
somebody who's who's blind,
who's legally blind.

693
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,440
They use cheat codes to actually
be able to get through a lot of

694
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,080
these games, get through stuff
that he normally wouldn't be

695
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,720
able to.
And that just opened my mind and

696
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,240
to all sorts of possibilities of
ways people used cheat codes

697
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,080
that I hadn't even thought of.
And that's so much fun.

698
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,560
Yeah, the the the action replay
was, was was pretty cool.

699
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,640
And and one of my favorite.
We're going to go back to the

700
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,120
cameo here.
One of my favorite codes.

701
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,280
And this goes into the just
locking up the game.

702
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,760
Neither.
You owned a Super Nintendo,

703
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,040
right?
You were both Genesis.

704
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:26,400
I I got one later in life.
OK, the Super Nintendo, I don't

705
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,520
know if you remember the
original Street Fighter two that

706
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,280
came out on and not Street
Fighter 2 Turbo and not the

707
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,440
Super Street Fighter Two, but
the first one that didn't have

708
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400
the bosses playable.
Yeah, all the magazines

709
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,720
trumpeted, oh, now you can play
as the bosses with this code.

710
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:43,760
And of course it was a pro
action Replay code.

711
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,360
So you had to buy the pro Action
Replay and everyone ran out to

712
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,760
buy a pro action Replay to play
as the four bosses, Bell Rock

713
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,240
and Vegan and then and Bison.
And of course, you couldn't

714
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,200
really play as them.
They, you know, like to do their

715
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,680
moves.
You're basically doing, you

716
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,520
know, reuse fireball and and
things like that.

717
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,600
And then immediately the game
would lock up because it's not

718
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,800
supposed to be doing this.
And I think that was a lot of

719
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,920
people's experience with those
codes.

720
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,680
But man, the magazines just
trumpeted those as if it was,

721
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,200
you know, a miracle code that
was going to reinvent Street

722
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,520
Fighter Two for you.
And the hype was real.

723
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:30,440
And just those those fleeting
moments of playing M Bison on

724
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,040
on, you know, before Street
Street Fighter 2 Turbo came out.

725
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,360
Boy, that that was a lot of fun.
And not so much the locking up

726
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,400
the game, though it did sort of
feel like you were breaking the

727
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,480
game every time, But thankfully
you didn't.

728
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,120
And and Mike, you had mentioned
on your cable club league

729
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,000
episode where you, you know,
enjoyed your silver place medal

730
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,960
with StarCraft Brood War.
Like there's a lot of fun cheats

731
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,800
in Blizzard.
It's more just like typing

732
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,560
commands almost.
It's not like a console cheat

733
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,520
code where there's like a
certain button press timing

734
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,600
thing.
It's just what, what was the,

735
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,320
what were some of the StarCraft
cheat codes?

736
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560
There was like power everlasting
or something.

737
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,040
I don't really remember
StarCraft cheat codes.

738
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,680
OK, Warcraft had a lot of them.
Definitely like just a lot, a

739
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,600
lot of PC games had them and I
think probably part of it is it

740
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:26,280
was really easy to have.
You had inbuilt ways of putting

741
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,120
in text and text was easy to
work with.

742
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,840
Like actually, so I think a game
is more like I think like Shadow

743
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:42,880
Warrior and Duke Nukem and
Outlaws all were more in that

744
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,920
that range of of and of of
having like I just a page print

745
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,480
out of here are the codes that
we looked that, you know, my dad

746
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,480
looked up when he was at work
and brought home so that we have

747
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,800
them near the computer.
I remember that and it was on

748
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,920
the printer paper with like the
little hole punches on the side.

749
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,920
Oh boy, that.
But I remember like Mike's dad

750
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,000
was a real one.
Like he like he would always,

751
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:07,760
yeah, have the the codes from
work.

752
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,440
Mike, did you hear that they're
doing a re release of Outlaws?

753
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,640
I I did not, and that's what I'm
stoked I.

754
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Can't.
Even remember how much I that I

755
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,880
ever actually played because
it's one of those ones that I

756
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,280
think started up.
We played demo a whole lot and

757
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,760
eventually the the full game.
Night Dive just put that out

758
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,640
right.
Yeah, yeah, they see.

759
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,160
Real good work.
But the beautiful thing though,

760
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,360
is that, you know, Mike and I
would share the demos, I think

761
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,840
maybe floppy disk or something.
I don't know how we would share

762
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,680
these with each other.
Shareware, yeah.

763
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,320
Yeah, but the Outlaws demo would
work with the full games cheat

764
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,640
codes.
Right.

765
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,640
So if I remember Mike, remember
the dynamite.

766
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,040
I remember a lot, I remember a
lot of dynamite out of that

767
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,600
game.
You, you would do the code for

768
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,440
infinite ammo, and one of the
weapons was a dynamite, and you

769
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,480
could leave it.
And so we would leave trails of

770
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,680
dynamite going up and down
through the town, through the

771
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,040
saloon, through the Sheriff's
Office.

772
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,440
And when you detonated it, you
know, and we're talking like a

773
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,280
3D first person shooter with 2D
Sprite.

774
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,880
So it could handle a lot on the
screen at one time.

775
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,800
Yeah.
And so you'd see the snaking

776
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,200
trail of explosion going through
the town as it made its way to

777
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,480
you.
Totally not possible up the

778
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,400
front of cheat codes.
That's the the origin of like

779
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,400
the the open world sandbox game.
I mean, that's what people like

780
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,920
to do.
I mean, that's the reason

781
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,720
Crackdown sold so well is
because you could do stuff like

782
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,320
that.
Yeah, that's a lot of the stuff

783
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,480
that I like.
I think back as is stuff of that

784
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,640
sort where it's like right now
this isn't helping me beat the

785
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,440
game, this is just letting me
having fun with it.

786
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,880
I think all that was I think PC
Gamer which had demo discs,

787
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,640
which I think I still have those
around somewhere possibly.

788
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,640
The desks or the magazines?
Yes.

789
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,240
Oh good.
I think I kept, I think I've

790
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,800
kept both around.
I may have finally given in to

791
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,560
the get rid of those but.
You got you all got to give in

792
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,080
to the get rid of those at some
point.

793
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,120
I think it hit, yeah.
I think it hit a point where it

794
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:16,400
was like, I don't think I can
run any of this now, so this is

795
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,680
difficult, but there's a whole
lot of games that were like that

796
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,240
and a lot of the demos had what
they needed for those to work, I

797
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:25,360
think.
So I think like Duke Nuke

798
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,040
probably was the same category
actually.

799
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,240
And Shadow Warrior, which is
definitely a game I never owned.

800
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,360
Well, I own it now.
That's Steam era.

801
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,480
That's different.
It doesn't count.

802
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,080
I mean, when I think back to
cheating on the PC, and I'll

803
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,920
admit that I was more of a
console gamer growing up, when I

804
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,120
think about cheating on the PC,
you're right that it's not

805
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,560
necessarily so that I can see
the end of the game, that that

806
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,960
was more of a console thing.
But like for me, a lot of the, a

807
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,200
lot of what I played on the PC
back in the day was like SIM

808
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,880
City.
And just having that that

809
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,960
infusion of cash early on made a
huge deal like that that allowed

810
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,440
me or that cheat code allowed me
to actually get pretty far in

811
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,760
that game and skip a significant
part of what would be kind of a

812
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:21,320
boring first couple of hours of,
you know, building things up.

813
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,880
I do like the idea of cheats
speeding up the process and

814
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,800
getting you to the good stuff.
Yeah, yeah, SP mode in the

815
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,080
Nintendo Switch Online slash
Nintendo Classics, like give me

816
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,480
the stuff so I can just, you
know, play all the tracks in a

817
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,280
site by 64 with Mike, because I
bought this game I paid for.

818
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,960
I'm.
I'm subscribing to play this.

819
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,600
Let me access the entire game.
I'm a grown man.

820
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,320
We're all grown.
Man, all the gold, all the

821
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,680
Goldeneye cheats that you have
to unlock that aren't available

822
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,560
there that I never unlock the
first time around because I I

823
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,760
got a used copy that I think I
then gave to to Jamo and his

824
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,040
brothers to unlock the other
things and return after a week

825
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,680
or two.
And it'd be amazing if via the

826
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,400
cheat code Compendium, like
we're finding, oh, there's a

827
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,720
code to just unlock all the
stuff and not have to play

828
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,320
through this because, you know,
I wouldn't necessarily think to

829
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,680
look for that.
For some reason, my brain has

830
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,800
kind of forgotten cheat codes
existed.

831
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:22,280
And so part of what makes this
project so fun is that it really

832
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,960
brings back the sense of like,
wonder and discovery that we had

833
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,920
when we were kids.
I'm sort of curious since since

834
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,080
the book is going to be this
combination of both like the top

835
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,680
100 best cheat codes, give or
take a few, it sounds like like,

836
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:44,440
and then a lot more of this
narrative structure of the sort

837
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,160
of the history at the interviews
with people and all that.

838
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,720
I'm a little curious because one
of the bonuses on this is the

839
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,400
code vault and what exactly that
is supposed to be.

840
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:05,360
I from what I understand the the
idea of this is to collect all

841
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:10,040
of the sort of the greatest
cheats of all time and into one

842
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,520
place and have it look.
I know there are other sites

843
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,760
that have done this game facts
and all sorts of other websites

844
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:24,000
and the goal is to do this
better and what that means right

845
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,800
now little up in the air.
I I'm going to be a little vague

846
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,120
about it because you know, this
is still a Kickstarter phase.

847
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:35,040
And obviously my side of this is
the editorial in writing.

848
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,720
But I do know from talking to
the team that they do have some

849
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,720
ideas for the code Vault and
some of them sound pretty good.

850
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,880
And I'm curious about seeing
what comes of that and having

851
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,000
some input on that when we get
closer to the the fruition of

852
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,120
that.
OK, so there's some stuff yet to

853
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,800
be revealed that will separate
that away from just like

854
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,680
websites.
Absolutely, absolutely.

855
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,880
I'm, I'm right now we're kind of
taking it one step at a time.

856
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,840
We got, you know, we're going to
be announcing contributors in a

857
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,600
little bit.
We're going to I have a

858
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,520
Gameshark advertisement archive
then we're going to be posting

859
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:20,800
on defunct games probably this
week that has all of the

860
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:26,800
Gameshark print ads back from 95
all the way up to the the early

861
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:32,200
2000s There 40 of them or so.
And some of them are pretty

862
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,680
crazy.
It is, you know, if you remember

863
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,440
magazines from the late 90s and
early 2000s, some of them got,

864
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,480
let's just put it this way, you
probably couldn't do those

865
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,120
advertisements today.
And one of the things we're

866
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,200
going to do is we're going to
have a video where maybe a

867
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:55,120
couple of videos were Todd, Todd
Hayes, who was the creator of

868
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,080
these advertisements, takes us
back and actually goes over the

869
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,360
thoughts of his thoughts about
why that ad or why he came up

870
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,120
with that ad or what his
thoughts are now about it and

871
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,080
how they, he thinks they aged
and all sorts of the, the fun

872
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,880
stories around that.
He's just a great story teller.

873
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,440
And it's going to be so much fun
to, to talk to him about that.

874
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,200
And we'll have the, the full
archive on the fun games so

875
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,480
people can look at all of those
and all of their glory.

876
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,560
There's, I mean, Elvis shows up,
there's a whole 1 where they

877
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,360
they talk about the Gameshark as
if it's a condom.

878
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,160
There's some, there's some
pretty, there's some pretty fun

879
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,520
stuff.
Seemed thankful.

880
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,720
I think I remember that one.
I I It was a magazine print ad,

881
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:44,920
wasn't it?
It was yeah, no, it was yeah,

882
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,000
don't, don't play games
unprotected or something like

883
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,160
that.
Yeah, definitely playing into it

884
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,560
even has like a condom shot in
it.

885
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,480
It's and, you know, and there's
one with a dog peeing on a fire

886
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,320
hydrant and yeah, and then they
get into the ones where it's

887
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,400
just sexy women.
And I want, I want to be clear,

888
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,920
if any of my students are
listening to this, we are

889
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,080
journalists.
We are documenting gaming

890
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,880
history.
We didn't create these things.

891
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,600
Cyril kind of created these
things because he's making a

892
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,560
book about it.
OK.

893
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,840
I did not create these things
but Mike and.

894
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,000
I are just covering it.
OK, but speak.

895
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaking of covering for this
book, though, you have a long

896
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,040
list of contributors, people who
lined up.

897
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:32,920
They've been working in gaming,
public publication, development,

898
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,480
retail, streaming.
What was your process when it

899
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,800
came to the outreach for this
book?

900
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,960
And has there been a
conversation or an interview

901
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,280
you've already done that was
like particularly exciting or

902
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,200
enlightening?
You look, I've been working

903
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:51,040
freelance as a freelance
journalist in critic for 25

904
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,560
years now almost.
And I've met a lot of great

905
00:51:54,560 --> 00:52:01,160
writers and and a lot of them, I
feel like haven't had a big

906
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,920
break.
And I wanted to, what I wanted

907
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,880
to do with this experience was
reach out to people that I know

908
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,080
a know their stuff, especially
when it comes to the history and

909
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,240
our great writers have
personality.

910
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,400
And I wanted to wanted to give
them a chance to be in a book,

911
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,840
just like how excited I was to
be included in the Electronic

912
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,120
Monthly Compendium a couple of
months ago.

913
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,880
And so, yeah, I was, I, I really
wanted to focus on who my

914
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,400
favorite either up and coming
and already established writers

915
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,680
that maybe you're not, you know,
the ones that the top names of

916
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,640
the field, but should be, you
know, they're the people that

917
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,920
you should be reading and you
should be paying attention to.

918
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,480
And I wanted to give them a
voice and kind of, you know,

919
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,920
raise them up much in the same
way that this book is raising me

920
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,000
up.
That's awesome, I love that.

921
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,240
Which has been the larger
challenge out of this thing?

922
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:02,520
Because sort of I initially when
you mentioned this, it was very

923
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,680
much sort of as the writer of
this book, but you're you're

924
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,480
really functioning also as the
editor of a larger work as well.

925
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:16,040
And which of those has been, I
guess I either the greater

926
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,280
challenge or the one you find
find more interesting or?

927
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,600
I'm always going to find the
writing and research more

928
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,440
interesting, but I do obviously
it's fun to reach out and to

929
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,880
pitch an idea to somebody.
And a lot of them are excited

930
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,480
because it's just a fun and
exciting idea and everybody

931
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,920
wants to be part of a book,
right?

932
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,080
And so, yeah, it's, it's both of
them are fun, but obviously

933
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,000
researching and writing is, you
know, I'm, I love doing that

934
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,240
already.
It's if I could do that all day,

935
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:50,840
I would.
I'm boring in that sense.

936
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,440
But you know, that's why there
aren't a ton of movies about

937
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,520
writers that you know, that are
researching, you know, they have

938
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,120
to turn it into like Fear and
Loathing or something like that

939
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,120
where you know, there's other
things going on.

940
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,480
I don't know what I'm talking
about.

941
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:10,080
Stop me.
Well, I, I don't want to you,

942
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,400
you have a lot to say and I
think it's going to really

943
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:16,160
blossom in this book here.
Is there anything you wanted to

944
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,600
talk about, about this project
or about your contribution or

945
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,600
your writing process that we
didn't get to already cover?

946
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,160
Well, let me, let me ask you,
we, we've talked about, you

947
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,720
know, the, the codes that
shouldn't exist and the codes

948
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,880
that do exist and how it locked
up your system and stuff like

949
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,360
that.
But did either of you 2.

950
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,600
I don't know how big in the
Grand Theft Auto or specifically

951
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,920
San Andreas you were, but did
either of you get a cheat code

952
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:48,280
so that maybe you could see very
horribly blocky sex scene that

953
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,280
has something to do with hot
coffee?

954
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,440
Yeah, I was going to say, you
asked me if I ever drank hot

955
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,880
coffee.
I did.

956
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,920
I did not.
But the history, Mike, do you

957
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,240
know the history of this one?
Vaguely.

958
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,360
Like like I, I kind of remember
this being a thing, but like,

959
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,320
it's not a game I ever played
that.

960
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,000
Rockstar into a lot of problems.
Yeah, well, because they they,

961
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,400
they hit a sex mini game in the
game that was unlockable.

962
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,840
And at first they lied and
blamed hackers and then people

963
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,320
were like, this is on the
PlayStation release like this.

964
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,440
Really good hackers.
Yeah, you're that good.

965
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,880
Yeah.
But like, I believe they even

966
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,920
got into some congressional
trouble for it.

967
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,320
Yeah, they had to, they had to
pull the game because it

968
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,920
immediately got a, they they
raised the rating up to an AM

969
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:35,560
rating.
That's.

970
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,400
What I said, that was the one
prior I remembered, they said,

971
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,880
well, no, that's still in your
game.

972
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,320
We're rating it based off that.
Adult, yeah, adult only rating,

973
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,800
I mean, and so they had to
repress it without that.

974
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,360
And obviously what happened
there was they, that is

975
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,560
something that they were working
on and maybe nixed for whatever

976
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,520
reason, probably because they
thought it'd be a scandal and it

977
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,760
was just an idea that they
thought was too far.

978
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,680
And then instead of deleting it
out of the code, I guess they

979
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,600
just hit it, you know, figuring,
well, who's going to ever find

980
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,720
this?
There's no, you know, no links

981
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:13,720
to it anymore.
And little did they realize that

982
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:15,720
of course people are going to go
through the code or people are

983
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:19,440
going to go, you know, use
cheats to define that sort of

984
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,240
thing.
It's like how Disney got taken

985
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:26,320
down by like VHS.
Sure, yeah, like the hidden

986
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,280
frames with the, you know,
stuff.

987
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,240
Yeah, because we're pausing
Movies Now.

988
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,040
Yeah, people.
People could pause Movies Now.

989
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,320
Right, it was a pretty infamous
Who Framed Roger Rabbit one,

990
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,360
too.
I think that that one's like,

991
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,400
not really a, that one's just,
they didn't animate stuff.

992
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,600
And then people presume, but I
think, yeah, yeah.

993
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,480
So like if you actually look at
it, it's like, yeah, no, it

994
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,960
just, it looks like that because
you cut your brain kind of fills

995
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,400
in what's going on.
I was thinking the rescuer

996
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,560
straight up has like a topless
woman like an image of a top.

997
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,360
Like like not even like, oh,
it's a drawing.

998
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,720
It's like no, you have like a
photograph of a topless woman

999
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:06,000
but you have to pause and like
one of like 3 frights.

1000
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,280
It wasn't it in Fight Club where
he like spliced inappropriate

1001
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:15,280
footage into children?
'S movies.

1002
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,960
Listen, listen, I got to clean
up the ACT from these two.

1003
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,200
A little.
That's not a cheat code.

1004
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,280
But you know what is a cheat
code though?

1005
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,080
I don't know if you happen to
hear our Super Punch Out

1006
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,240
episode, but like Super Punch
Out had a two player mode that

1007
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:32,760
was discovered in 2022.
That cheat code was undiscovered

1008
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,400
for decades and it unlocks a
whole nother way to play the

1009
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,320
game.
And like, I would argue, I mean,

1010
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,560
Mike and Brian overruled me, but
I would argue that Super Punch

1011
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,200
Out is more fun than Punch Out
because it's the only game in

1012
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,320
the series up until the Wii one
where you could have a versus

1013
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,560
mode and it's a fighting game.
I want to, I want, if I have a

1014
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,760
fighting game, I want it to be
two players.

1015
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,600
Even though it was totally
broken and all the boss

1016
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,960
characters were totally
overpowered except for Glass Joe

1017
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,760
or whatever his name is, Gabby
Joe.

1018
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,400
I think in that game, it's just
like it was so exciting that new

1019
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,400
discoveries are still being
made.

1020
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,360
Do you?
Consider Punch Out to be a a

1021
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,000
fighting game.
I'm blaming this, but all right,

1022
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,240
well.
I mean the first.

1023
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,320
Ones I, I think what you've
stumbled upon is, is, is

1024
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,440
actually why he likes that that
game more is because I think

1025
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,080
Super Punch Out is much closer
to being a fighting game, yeah,

1026
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,840
than the original Punch Out.
And I think that is why the

1027
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,160
original Punch Out's the better
game.

1028
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:37,200
I, I agree with you, Mike, cuz I
guess I've always viewed those

1029
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,080
as kind of almost like puzzle
games cuz it's about finding

1030
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:46,200
that the right combo or the
right timing and yeah, OK, I

1031
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,760
can.
See how that the rhythm games

1032
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:48,840
almost.
Yeah.

1033
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,480
No, I can see that for sure.
Yeah.

1034
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,880
I guess I just wanted to be
fighting game cuz that's my

1035
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,800
genre.
Sure.

1036
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,280
And the original Punch Out had a
pretty memorable second quest in

1037
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,960
the Another World circuit that
you can do with the code.

1038
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,920
So yeah, no, that's I.
But back to your point though,

1039
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,440
yes, it's wild that we're still
finding codes that are buried

1040
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,920
in, you know, 20 or 30 year old
games and nobody alerted the

1041
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,720
press about it back in the day.
You'd think that someone would

1042
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:28,520
have known this, either a
developer or somebody and would

1043
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:33,240
have said something, you know,
just get it in game pro and I, I

1044
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,680
don't know, it's, it's shocking,
especially all these years

1045
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,480
later.
It does make me wonder which

1046
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,920
sort of, with some of those
things, which of those were

1047
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:47,360
things that somebody put in and
they didn't really fully realize

1048
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,600
it was still in there versus
which ones they were waiting for

1049
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,400
someone to find.
And some of them may just be

1050
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,640
like, Oh yeah, I forgot that was
in the version that we released.

1051
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,200
Right.
No, I, I think that a lot of, I

1052
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,800
mean, especially back in the
day, a lot of them were, were

1053
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,400
put in there to aid in
development to, you know, to, to

1054
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,080
make it easier to test out a
later level and to, you know,

1055
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,240
or.
To help critics test out, you

1056
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,120
know, later levels without you
have to remember that, you know,

1057
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,080
if you go back to some of those
those early EGM issues, they

1058
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,840
only had four critics and they
were reviewing 35 games an

1059
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,800
issue. 35 games an issue is more
than one game a day.

1060
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,200
And I don't know how they did
it, but probably with a lot of

1061
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,440
cheat codes, probably also.
Sort of curious here because I

1062
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,800
think I think you mentioned a
little bit about this, but like

1063
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,160
punch out makes me think about
this to the extent to like

1064
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,840
people have memorized the the
password for Mike Tyson and

1065
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,560
certainly like you don't have,
you can just jump to that if you

1066
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,000
know that.
Definitely.

1067
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,480
So I think I'm kind of curious
both how those count, Do those

1068
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,200
fall into the realm of cheat
codes?

1069
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:02,080
And then also to what extent
Easter eggs fall under the

1070
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,920
extent of cheat codes more
motivated by the like things

1071
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,880
that are left in there that
people may not bring attention

1072
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,760
to because they're not supposed
to have had it in there.

1073
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,760
Because I think back to like the
first Easter egg being adventure

1074
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,160
where it was someone putting
their initials in there or

1075
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,000
putting their name in there.
And it was like somebody knew

1076
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,240
that was in there and they also
knew.

1077
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,000
They shouldn't tell people that
they've done it necessarily.

1078
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,000
And whether or not those kinds
of things start to fall into

1079
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,480
cheat codes or if it's more game
specific, like gameplay

1080
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,600
specific, I should say.
That's an interesting, Yeah,

1081
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:43,720
that's an interesting question.
I'm not sure if hiding things

1082
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,160
like that necessarily.
Yeah, is necessarily Yeah IA

1083
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,800
cheat code.
I think it counts.

1084
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,160
Like I said, we're taking a
broad approach.

1085
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,160
So we might find we may find
that in there in in some

1086
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,480
capacity.
I mean, when I think of that,

1087
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:05,400
like for example, in the US
version of, I don't know if you

1088
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:10,600
played Snatch or the Hideo
Kojima game that he made before

1089
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,440
Metal Gear Solid and all that,
the the point and click

1090
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,040
adventure game, there's a bar
that he goes into that in the

1091
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,240
Japanese version, it's just
regular bar patrons, but in the

1092
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:25,440
American version, it's cameos of
Sparkster and the guy who's from

1093
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,360
Contra and other Konami
characters.

1094
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:35,960
I think Goman is in there and
that I would not consider, even

1095
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,720
though it's an Easter egg, I
would not consider that a cheat

1096
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,240
code.
But would it be fun to talk

1097
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,480
about?
Maybe we'll see.

1098
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,080
And.
It it, it does feel like there's

1099
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,360
a continuum between that's a
pure Easter egg you've versus

1100
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,520
some of those you have to do at
least a little bit of work to

1101
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:52,880
get to.
Yeah.

1102
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,120
I'm thinking of like Duke Nukem
had a bunch of like jokes where

1103
01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,720
you could find slain heroes from
other game series, you know, and

1104
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,760
they were like secret rooms.
So you had to know some order of

1105
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,760
operations or where to press on
a certain wall.

1106
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,520
And I would put that in the same
category as knowing to press,

1107
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,160
you know, BAX on the menu
screen.

1108
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,440
You know, it's like it's still a
if you know, you know, kind of

1109
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,680
thing that's sort of unlocking
something.

1110
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:22,080
This happens to be in game.
So, you know, do you all have to

1111
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,960
wrap this up a favorite cheat
code of all time?

1112
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:30,400
Mine was on actually on Duke
Nukem 3D for the Sega Saturn,

1113
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,880
but also on a game called a
power slave or exhumed.

1114
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,080
Are you guys familiar at all?
Yeah, of.

1115
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,680
Course, do you know what death
Tank is?

1116
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,000
That was that, the mini game.
That was the mini game that you

1117
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,240
unlocked just by changing the
controls in a really wacky way.

1118
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,160
So it's like if you if you made
the left trigger, the right

1119
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,400
trigger and the right trigger
the left trigger and you swapped

1120
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,400
Z&C&X and, and it's basically
like no one would ever want to

1121
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,760
play this way.
But if you made the controls

1122
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:02,000
that specific configuration,
then on the menu there was a

1123
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,440
mic.
What was that game we played in

1124
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,600
elementary school where you had
to figure out the trajectory and

1125
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:12,560
the velocity of your bullets to
shoot over a hill and hit each

1126
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:13,840
other?
You know what I'm talking about.

1127
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:14,720
I know what you're talking
about.

1128
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,440
I don't know what that is, but
there I think there's a lot of

1129
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,680
that of that formula.
So it was that style game kind

1130
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,280
of like Worms, but it was all
simultaneous.

1131
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,880
And I just, I just learned that
there's like a spiritual

1132
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,680
successor on the Switch called
Tread Knots.

1133
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,800
But when they re released Power
Slave just a couple of years ago

1134
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,600
they removed that whole
unlockable mini game.

1135
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,520
Well.
No, they didn't want to redo

1136
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,720
that.
I know, but it was my favorite

1137
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,320
part and it's heartbreaking.
And so that's my favorite type

1138
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,920
of mini game.
Like in Black Ops 2, you can

1139
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:51,400
unlock an entire top down twin
stick shooter if you realize

1140
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,560
that the menu of the game is
actually in the first person

1141
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,280
engine.
And if you look down, you can

1142
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,680
break out of the restraints that
is presenting the menu and then

1143
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,400
find a computer in the menu room
to play like an arcade game.

1144
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,160
That was always my favorite, was
a cheat code that fundamentally

1145
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,920
changed the whole experience.
So those are my favorites.

1146
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:17,680
Mike, do you have any?
I don't say favorite, but sort

1147
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,880
of a realm that hasn't been
touched upon as much on this.

1148
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,760
I would say NBA Jam where you
had three digit codes that you

1149
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,840
kind of had enter as many as you
can before the game starts.

1150
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:35,120
And because it was clearly a
thing, you could look it up, you

1151
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,560
could look things up or you
could get told, hey, if you do

1152
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:38,880
this, you'll get this specific
thing.

1153
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,240
But you could also just try
stuff random and see what would

1154
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,400
happen.
Yeah.

1155
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:43,720
Or like be like, I'm running out
of time.

1156
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,760
Just button mash randomly and
just see what I get.

1157
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:51,880
So I kind of like that as not
for a specific thing, but just

1158
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,720
like as a general mechanic of
like you knew it was there, it

1159
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,440
wasn't too hard to play around
with and just like get something

1160
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,880
out.
Yeah, Mortal Kombat 3 also did

1161
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,600
that exact same thing and around
the same time.

1162
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,120
And I agree that that was a
really good idea.

1163
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,320
In fact, Mortal Kombat is a real
interesting test case about how

1164
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,480
you can use cheat codes to
extend the amount of coverage

1165
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,720
you get in in magazines.
And and because every revision

1166
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,240
of that game had something new
to find or, you know, a new

1167
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,360
fatality or new, you know, it's
secret character, something that

1168
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,720
was hidden away and only rumored
at but turned out to be true

1169
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:37,040
because Reptile was there.
And I think that yeah, that

1170
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,920
that's really cool.
My, I don't know if I have

1171
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,200
necessarily look, maybe I'm
boring and I'll say like the

1172
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,000
debug mode and Sonic is, is real
memorable.

1173
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:51,880
But I do have a couple of like
sort of personal ones that are,

1174
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,200
are are close to me for real
personal experience reasons that

1175
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,160
aren't necessarily the the
greatest.

1176
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,320
But like for example, from our
last episode, anybody that tuned

1177
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,480
into that, you may remember that
I was on game pro television,

1178
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:10,080
game pro TV back in 1990 or 91.
I don't remember when the

1179
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,280
episode aired.
I was 12 or 11 or something like

1180
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:18,240
that and given out a, a cheat of
how to beat Loki in ghouls and

1181
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,720
ghosts.
And that for that reason, I've

1182
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,200
always had a, a special place.
It's not really a good cheat

1183
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:26,440
code.
It's more of a strategy.

1184
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:31,040
And we can argue about whether
strategies are, are, are

1185
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,080
considered secret codes, but
that's always one.

1186
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,960
And do you ever play the the
Genesis version of Disney's

1187
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,880
Aladdin?
Sure, yeah.

1188
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,480
Yeah, Disney's Aladdin had a
pretty easy cheat code to let

1189
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,840
you just immediately swap
levels.

1190
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,640
It just move on to the next
level.

1191
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,800
And I remember reading that I
was at the Winter Consumer

1192
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,680
Electronics Show in the early
mid, whenever year that came

1193
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,880
out, the early 90s, somewhere in
the mid 90s.

1194
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,720
And I remember because, you
know, you'd always be able to

1195
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,960
pick up, you know, an issue of
Game Pro or EGM.

1196
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,000
They always had booths at these
video game conventions that are

1197
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,040
giving out free issues.
And I remember looking that

1198
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,399
alright, seeing a code for to to
change levels in Disney's

1199
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:22,200
Aladdin and being excited
because I knew it was on the

1200
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,600
show floor.
So the next day I went into the

1201
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,680
show floor and tried it out and
just warped my way to the end

1202
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,720
and it was so excited.
And then the guy behind me just

1203
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:36,160
sort of turns up his nose and
just goddamn cheaters.

1204
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:41,760
And I don't know if that was
just an onlooker, another, you

1205
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,040
know, another journalist or
somebody in the industry, or

1206
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,359
maybe it was one of the reps
from Sega, I don't know.

1207
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,960
But at that, always, I always
remember that, even though I

1208
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,279
was, you know, a teenager at the
time.

1209
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,600
And that is that is one last
thing that I think is so

1210
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,359
fascinating is that like in the
online era, like I remember

1211
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:05,200
playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live and
the cheating in that game was

1212
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,880
rampant.
And and it's like this, this was

1213
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,600
not no longer a cheat code.
This was people, you know,

1214
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,399
exploiting and, you know, using
their technical know how to take

1215
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:18,240
advantage of other players
online.

1216
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,200
So I definitely think that
that's where like our discussion

1217
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:26,080
on cheating shifted from fun to
kind of like this is feeling

1218
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,399
gross.
It was so cool to be accused of

1219
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:33,880
using an aim bot on gun bound.
And that's, and that's the thing

1220
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,880
that that's a good point to
bring up that these days when

1221
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,439
you think of cheating,
unfortunately, it's often, you

1222
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,680
know, the people that are caught
cheating, you know, playing in

1223
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:48,319
tournaments or people that are
using it online for Call of Duty

1224
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,359
or other online games, Fortnite
and stuff like that.

1225
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:54,279
Aim bots and things where you
can just see through the level

1226
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,040
and all sorts of things like
that.

1227
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:01,720
And as a, as a book, I'm going
to speak on the behalf of a

1228
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:06,080
book.
We do not endorse that.

1229
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,560
We're not, we're not for that
kind of cheating.

1230
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,000
That's wrong.
Don't do it.

1231
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:17,960
But you know, just for single,
single player games and just

1232
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,280
for, for having fun, have at it.
I, I don't really care.

1233
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,440
But you know, in tournaments and
competitive stuff, don't cheat.

1234
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:33,400
Yeah, I do remember somewhere in
the Jedi Knight series where

1235
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,240
they had online play and it was
there would be things are just

1236
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,640
like we're we're specific group
rooms, which is big.

1237
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,920
This room you can use whatever
you would like and you'd go and

1238
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,080
you'd see people who were
cheating in fascinating ways.

1239
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:45,800
Right.
Yeah.

1240
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,680
But like everybody acknowledged,
that's what they were doing.

1241
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,200
Yeah, if they know that that's
what's going to happen.

1242
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,080
But that's not AI.
Don't feel like that's possible

1243
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:58,760
these days.
Most of these games that come

1244
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,280
out have, you know, their own
servers and very tightly

1245
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:06,200
controlled servers.
And you know, I don't know, but

1246
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:11,800
obviously maybe that's more of a
thing on PC where I'm not doing

1247
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,840
as much gaming or at least not
as much online gaming.

1248
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,720
I should say most of the even
though I review a lot of PC

1249
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,320
games, most of the stuff I do is
still console and indie related

1250
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,600
and that's not been that big of
an issue there thankfully.

1251
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,080
Yeah, Mike, that reminded of
Brian's story of doing one of

1252
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:30,320
those cheat rooms in Jedi
Knight.

1253
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,400
And another player just filled
the level with water.

1254
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,240
And every player was like, Oh my
God.

1255
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,120
And you had to breathe in that
game.

1256
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,840
So suddenly it became this thing
of like fighting.

1257
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,480
Everyone's fighting for their
life to find spots of air.

1258
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,440
And it's just like, yeah, it's
a, it's a bygone era and.

1259
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:48,320
More games need Titanic themed
levels, yeah.

1260
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,920
There you go.
Did that have?

1261
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,080
Did that have swimming
mechanics?

1262
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,640
It did, yeah.
All the Jedi Knight games did.

1263
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,320
It was very much an adventure in
that way.

1264
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,080
And so finally, I'm I'm feeling
like this is more of a Todd

1265
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,920
Hayes question, but Todd Hayes
leave a comment.

1266
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,480
OK.
The Kickstarter teases the retro

1267
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:12,040
Shark, which seems like some way
for people to start using these

1268
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:16,400
cheats in some way.
Are we teasing that for the

1269
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,560
future or do we have any
information on the retro Shark?

1270
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:24,840
Service, I definitely cannot
tell you what's what's coming

1271
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,400
up, but I can tell you that they
have the whole road map for

1272
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,480
stuff that he wants to do
because he he's excited about

1273
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:33,760
getting back in the games
industry.

1274
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,360
He's kind of, he kind of took
some time off and, and regrouped

1275
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,920
and thought about some stuff,
had did some life stuff and then

1276
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,640
came back and he's like, hey, I
have all these ideas and the

1277
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,320
first step is to tell his story
and tell the story of just cheat

1278
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,240
codes in general.
They're going to follow up that

1279
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,560
with sort of the next phase,
which is going to be accessories

1280
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,640
and some some other things that
are on the rise.

1281
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,480
And I know for a fact that he
has at least two or three

1282
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:08,040
things, one of which you
mentioned the Retroshark, and we

1283
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,280
will see what that is in the
future.

1284
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,280
Very exciting.
Right now, I obviously right now

1285
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,120
I just, I want to focus on the
book.

1286
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,040
We don't want to get, we won't
don't want to have that over

1287
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,640
shadow.
You know what, what is it?

1288
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,240
What I think is the most
exciting part of this, which is

1289
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:27,680
writing a book.
Yeah, and how long do people

1290
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,760
have if they would like to join
this Kickstarter?

1291
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:35,040
I believe they have until the.
I think it's the 18th of of this

1292
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:40,560
month though.
If I understand correctly, and I

1293
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:45,040
may not, but if I understand
correctly, there will be ways of

1294
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,040
continuing the pre-order after
that.

1295
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:53,240
Much like the EGM compendium
where we will just continue to

1296
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,640
promote it.
People can pre-order it and then

1297
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,920
when it comes out everyone will
get their copy.

1298
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,400
Beautiful, I got mine
pre-ordered and did we hit the

1299
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:07,400
tier for the foil cover yet?
I want that I'm.

1300
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,960
I am not sure.
I want that.

1301
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,880
So listen, listener, Listener, I
don't ask you for much, OK?

1302
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,000
I'm gonna need you to support
this because this cover, once

1303
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,000
you see the mock up imagining
this thing with foil cover on,

1304
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,760
it's gonna be Chef kiss.
Well, so Cyril, why don't you

1305
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,440
remind our listeners how they
can back this awesome project

1306
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,600
and where they can find your
other online content?

1307
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,000
All right, yes, the Complete
Cheat Code Compendium is

1308
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,080
currently live over at
Kickstarter.

1309
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:40,400
I'm sure that on the link or in
the description box or somewhere

1310
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:45,160
there will be a link to it.
If there is not, you should go

1311
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,560
to defunctgames.com and there
are a couple of links there

1312
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:53,240
aren't just on the front page.
You can, there's a big, big ad

1313
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:57,640
that says pre-order, pre-order
now or we'll shoot the book.

1314
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,880
You can just click on that if
you especially if you get the

1315
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:05,960
reference and it'll take you
right to the Kickstarter and

1316
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,080
awesome.
You can find me not that many

1317
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,200
places.
Defunct games is obviously on

1318
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,400
YouTube, just Defunct games.
You find me at obviously

1319
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:21,480
defunctgames.com and I'm I'm on
bluesky@defunctgames.com.

1320
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:26,000
Excellent.
Well, until next time and you

1321
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,000
got a pre-order, you got to do
it.

1322
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,680
It's going to be.
Everybody's got a pre-order,

1323
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:33,040
every single person.
Cyril has commended and we shall

1324
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,440
obey.
So everyone, that sounds NE

1325
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,920
excellent.
Join us next time and we will be

1326
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,560
celebrating your Super Bowl win
or commiserating God.

1327
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,920
I hope so.
However you feel about the Super

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Bowl, come hear us talk about
another kind of bowl, and that

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is the famous Tecmo Bowl on the
NES right there at the end of

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your football season.
And then remember to please

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like, follow, subscribe to the
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review the show wherever you get
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You can also visit
www.theoldswitcharoo.com to find

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all our social media links.
We'd love to hear what you

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thought of this episode or what
you're hearing hoping to hear in

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future episodes.
And as always, thanks for

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listening to the old Switch a
Roo where we've been normally

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talking gaming retro with Mike
and J MO.

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I've been back to the Virtual
Console soon enough or the the

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virtual.
World.

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And I've been Jamo came on
everyone.