S4E05: Virtual Boy and Teleroboxer -or- The Sweet Science (Fiction, That Is!)

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I don't know where my Genesis 
could be. 

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I haven't seen my Super Nintendo
since 2003. 

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That's all right. 
I don't mind. 

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I've got a Switch in the old 
Switch room, my friend Mike and.

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Jamo too. 
Let's get Red to E Rumble 

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because it's time for the old 
switcheroo where we're talking 

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gaming retro with Mike and Jamo.
I'm Mike. 

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And I'm Jamo join us on our epic
quest to research and review all

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300 plus games in the Nintendo 
Classics catalog. 

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Today we are shoving our faces 
into our first ever Virtual Boy 

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game, the first person puncher, 
Telero Boxer in an episode we 

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are calling the Sweet Science 
Fiction. 

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That is. 
If you like what you hear, don't

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forget to like, subscribe and of
course, play along. 

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Mike, you know historically we 
do not see eye to eye when it 

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comes to boxing games, right? 
We're almost dead on punch out, 

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but yeah, then it diverges 
heavily. 

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It diverges heavily. 
You took one too many hits with 

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the snake and declared punch out
better than super punch out, 

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which is categorically wrong. 
Leave a comment if you're with 

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me. 
So I think we need a new referee

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for this boxing game. 
Do you know anyone with 

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extensive knowledge of old, 
obscure video games? 

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I think we don't know anyone 
better for that than Cyril from 

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defunct games. 
Hey, how's it going, JMO and 

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Mike? 
You got it right that time. 

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Good job I. 
Didn't even accept it call back.

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Zero. 
Congratulations, you were last 

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on our show promoting the 
Complete Cheat Code Compendium. 

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That's right. 
Crossing your fingers at 

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reaching the 100 grand mark. 
You guys blew right past that 

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here. 
We're recording this at the end 

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of February 2026, which means 
you are diving into the process 

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of riding that bad boy. 
And I was wondering if you could

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tease anything you've cooked up 
or planned for those who might 

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not have pre-ordered the book 
yet and cover kind of what it is

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basically? 
You're right, We were just a 

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couple of weeks ago we were 
hoping to to hit 100,000. 

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We did right towards the end of 
the campaign, but you can still 

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pre-order it. 
Now we we hit $108,000 or about 

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$208,000. 
And this was my first full week 

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of actually working on on the 
book. 

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There's actual writing has been 
done and interviews will start 

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next week. 
This is a very exciting time for

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me. 
The Complete Cheat Code 

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Compendium, just for those who 
may not know about it, is just 

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what it sounds like. 
It's a book about the rise and 

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fall of cheat codes and cheat 
devices. 

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I've teamed up with Todd Hayes, 
who of course was the Co founder

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of Interact Accessories. 
He's the one that brought out 

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the Gameshark and we're going to
look at the history of 100 of 

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the best cheat codes of all 
time. 

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Plus all of the the the cheat 
devices like the game Genie and 

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Gameshark, of course, and, and 
just where they went and why 

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they should come back. 
And that's a book that I am 

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currently writing. 
So very exciting times. 

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You're well equipped and to 
those who have not been to 

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defunctgames.com, check it out 
because Cyril has a great fun 

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sense of humor about him and I'm
just so excited to see you bring

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your wit and your charm to the 
conversation of cheat codes. 

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It's going to be an all timer, I
just know it is. 

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Yeah, real excited about. 
It it's going to be incredible 

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and you know what's questionably
incredible? 

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These 3D games and they're not 
going to 3C themselves. 

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So you guys ready to play it 
loud? 

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I have a play it loud beg. 
Wait, did you say beg or bag? 

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Bag from the Consumer 
Electronics Show. 

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Nice, nice. 
Yeah, Play it loud. 

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Beg is something different. 
Like, yes, let's give our 

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listeners a quick history on the
Virtual Boy, which was 

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originally released in 1995. 
Have either of you ever had 

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experience with a real life 
Virtual Boy? 

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I hadn't. 
I don't. 

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It's been on my bucket list. 
Mike, I believe you had. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, I'll start. 

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We'll start with me because I 
have much less to say because 

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since Jamo, like you owned 
consoles consistently that were 

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vaguely recent, whereas I pretty
much I had an Atari at home and 

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I, and it's important to stress 
this isn't like, Oh well, yeah, 

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that was the cutting edge at a 
point because that was a hand me

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down Atari that I was playing in
the mid 90s. 

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So that's what I had at home. 
But we would rent systems every 

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so often. 
Like I remember renting an N64 

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and actually like by the end of 
the weekend I had blisters 

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because it was basically what we
have this now I have to play 

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this non-stop for 48 hours 
because then it goes away again.

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Right. 
And so that meant that I was 

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going to like, I think it might 
have been Hollywood Video where 

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you could just, you know, you 
get, you could rent the whole 

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console. 
And so when the Virtual Boy came

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out, like they had a demo one 
there that you could rent. 

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Wait, were you? 
Did you rent it during the 

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Blockbuster promotion? 
No, that costs, that's money. 

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We were. 
We're still in the cheap head, 

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but they had it there that you 
could. 

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Try right and so you you tried 
it in store. 

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Yeah. 
So I so I would have briefly 

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tried it in store, but that was 
it. 

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I saw one in person and would 
have looked through it and 

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played briefly but not it did 
never came home with me. 

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OK, I know. 
I know our friend Larry Blast 

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from the past store had a 
Virtual Boy in stock at some 

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point. 
So I was wondering if maybe you 

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played it when they had it 
there. 

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But Cyril, you played probably 
more Virtual Boy than either of 

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us, right? 
I have actually a lot of Virtual

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Boy experience starting before 
it actually even came out. 

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Just to show how old I am. 
One of the very first video game

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conventions I ever went to was 
the Winter Consumer Electronics 

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Show in the mid 90s. 
And one of the three times I 

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went in 95 was when they 
introduced the Virtual Boy for 

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the first time in the US just a 
few months before it launched. 

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They had announced it a few 
months before that at the the 

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Tokyo Game Show, but this is the
first American debut. 

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They used a geodesic Dome to get
everybody into this like tight, 

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dark area so that everybody can 
have a perfect experience with 

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it. 
And it's the same geodesic Dome 

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that they had used to promote 
Star Fox a couple years earlier.

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And we, I remember standing in 
line for most of that day to get

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in there. 
I remember the reaction, real 

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fun story about it because, you 
know, we're in there for, I 

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don't know, 10 or 15 minutes 
jumping from kiosk to kiosk and 

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telero box or and there are a 
couple other games on the 

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Galactic pinball and a couple 
other ones. 

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I made a video about it but the 
after I don't know if I can 

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curse here. 
We try not to but have fun I. 

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Would say treat it like a 
garnish. 

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All right, Well, I'm going to 
use my one here because it's the

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one thing I remember. 
You know, on our way out of that

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dark geodesic Dome, we get into 
the bright lights where, you 

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know, this is Vegas, you know, 
in a, a tent in Vegas. 

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We get out there, it's, it's 
sunny, it's bright. 

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You barely see anything. 
We're all kind of, you know, 

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we're all rubbing our eyes. 
And then one guy got to look at 

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the, the press kit that they had
handed everybody. 

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And he says, $200. 
Oh fuck that. 

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And that's the that that is the 
first thing I think of when I 

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think of the Virtual Boy. 
I didn't buy 1 when it first 

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came out but about a year after 
it came out Walmart and probably

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Blockbuster were were were 
liquidating them. 

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They were, it was priced to move
and I remember picking it up 

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with the the Mario's tennis game
for $30.00 at Walmart as they 

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were getting rid of them. 
And I still own that that unit. 

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It still works. 
I picked up a few of the other 

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games like the, the Wario Land 
and stuff like that. 

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But yeah, I've, I actually have 
a real good experience with when

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people come over, people that, 
you know, Oh, and my collection 

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of old systems, 8 out of 10 
times they point at the Virtual 

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Boy and want to try it. 
Yeah. 

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So it is a novelty, but it's, it
is attractive. 

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It's it's something people want 
to look at. 

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Yeah, it's definitely, it has 
almost a mythos about it at this

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point. 
Yeah. 

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So let's kind of go over a bit. 
Essentially what it is, as 

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explained in the awesome YouTube
channel Slow MO Guys, the 

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console creates a parallax 3D 
effect by projecting a single 

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line of red pixels into a pair 
of rapidly oscillating mirrors 

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that bounce the light directly 
into your eyeballs. 

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So Cyril, I've heard this thing 
is kind of noisy in real life. 

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Like it it comes from the the 
vibration of the mirrors, right?

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I I don't know if noisy is the 
no, I wouldn't. 

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I mean especially compared to 
modern consoles, No, I wouldn't.

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I don't think it's that noisy. 
OK. 

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What? 
What was it? 

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Pixels or LEDs? 
Well, today I learned there's a 

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difference. 
Well, we'll link the video if 

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you want to check out for 
yourself, but it's kind of like 

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if I called it like a kind of a 
high tech flip book happening in

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your eyes. 
Is that kind of the science 

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behind it, Mike? 
I wouldn't describe as a flip 

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because a flip book you're 
seeing like each image is its 

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own image. 
I would actually say this is 

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much closer to honestly it's, 
it's doing the same thing as 

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what like a CRT TV did, which 
people don't really think about 

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that. 
Like the old CRTTVS, the reason 

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they got deeper, the larger the 
pictures the the screens got was

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that they have basically an 
electron gun that is steering 

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with magnets basically. 
But it's sort of sending out 

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each spot on the screen at a 
time, row by row, and just is 

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doing that very fast multiple 
times a second. 

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So it's actually rebuilding the 
image constantly. 

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Wow. 
Not quite row by row but more 

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spot by spot. 
But it goes one row at a time 

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and so and that's why you get. 
As you get a bigger screen it 

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have to get deeper because it 
can't kick out to very large 

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angles, so you have to move that
gun further and further back 

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from the screen. 
Right. 

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But yeah, so like with that kind
of, you know, and anything with 

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images really, you're having to 
build some way, it's not just a 

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the whole images there. 
Right. 

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So it was it was out. 
It was amazing to watch that 

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video and see see this broken 
down because it was so cool to 

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see how how that was working. 
And I think the other 

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fascinating part to that was I 
think actually it actually is 

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covering. 
Each. 

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Image with multiple passes to 
allow you to get lighter and 

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darker shading in. 
It's not just two-tone. 

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Right. 
Yeah, and I and I think that 

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shows individuals serial. 
It sounds like he has something 

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to say about the tech. 
Well, I, I don't know about the 

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tech, but I'm not a big tech 
guy. 

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I leave that for the experts. 
I just play the games. 

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For me it always reminded me and
maybe it's just because of the 

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wireframe stuff and like Red 
Alarm and some of the other 

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games, but it always reminded me
of like a A next generation 

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version of vector graphics or 
like Vectrax and stuff like that

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from back in the day. 
It kind of blew my mind because 

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this is a 32 bit console and in 
my head Nintendo skipped that 

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generation. 
Well, the Game Boy Advance was 

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also 32 bad. 
No, I guess it was, wasn't it? 

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Yeah. 
You don't think of it that way. 

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So according to the book The 
Ultimate History of Video Games 

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by Stephen Kent, the tech was 
developed by Massachusetts based

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Reflection Technology 
Incorporated. 

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Sega passed on the concept 
because they were concerned 

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about potential motion sickness 
and the single color red 

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display, which was chosen 
because red lights are, I guess,

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more recognizable to the eye and
cheaper to manufacture. 

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Mike confirmed deny red light. 
I mean, I would say I I think 

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like blue LE DS took a while and
red is pretty easy, pretty 

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common to do like so I'm not 
surprised by that. 

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I guess This is why it's red 
lights is because your eye sees 

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that the easiest so that's why 
red light is stop. 

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I mean, I'm going to say that 
isn't because I don't know if 

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people that were color blind 
could necessarily use this. 

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Oh. 
Because I've actually been in. 

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Situations came up in the old in
like the old magazines or 

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anything. 
Nobody ever asked that question.

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Yeah. 
And I, and I say it because I 

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have been in situations where 
for safety reasons, areas that 

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are dark but need to have like, 
you know, a step lit or 

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something that aren't using red 
specifically because it create 

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there are some people who will 
not pick up. 

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Right. 
Red. 

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I never even thought of that. 
I I hadn't heard thought of that

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one either. 
So leave a comment if you're 

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color blind and tell us what 
it's like trying to boot up the 

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Virtual Boy. 
I will say though, you know, for

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those who haven't seen footage 
of it, like it's so distinct, 

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it's just black, red on black. 
And there's no other console in 

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history that's had that like, 
color scheme, you know, so it 

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kind of, it makes it instantly 
recognizable. 

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So back in the day, Nintendo 
eagerly partnered with RTI 

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because they felt the tech was 
unique and difficult to emulate 

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regarding, you know, 
competitors. 

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So going full send on the 
concept. 

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Nintendo constructed A dedicated
manufacturing facility in China.

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But development troubles arose 
when the Product Liability Act 

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of 1995 made Nintendo more 
vulnerable to litigation should 

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customers become negatively 
affected. 

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So they abandoned the initially 
planned head tracking features 

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as well as the promised head 
strap version that you could 

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just wear, leading to the heavy 
table mounted iteration we have 

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before us today. 
So you're you have the Virtual 

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Boy in your home right now. 
It's apparently quite hefty. 

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Yeah, I mean, it's, it's lighter
than my PlayStation 5, but it's 

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it's real top heavy, so it can 
get knocked over pretty easily. 

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Yeah. 
And also just to to kind of 

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double back for a little 
context, you said that Sega 

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passed on it. 
You have to remember at the time

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Sega was working on their own VR
thing for the Genesis. 

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They had announced and then one 
of the CE s s I went to, they 

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were showing off some of the 
tech that was going to be for 

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what was a thing that never came
out their their genesis virtual 

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reality. 
And obviously knowing what we 

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know about virtual reality now, 
it was very ambitious to try 

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that with a 16 bit system in the
in the mid 1990s. 

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I mean, we really didn't get to 
real virtual reality until, 

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let's be honest, 20 years later,
maybe even 25 years later. 

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So I don't know, but yeah, that 
I can see why they would pass on

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on something like this. 
And really one of the only 

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reasons that the the Nintendo 
even went with this was it had a

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a champion, it had the gun pay, 
was championing this, this, this

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thing. 
And, you know, he had just come 

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off of the wildly successful 
Game Boy, so of course we got to

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go with it. 
He left the company one year one

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year later and then died almost 
immediately after that. 

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Yeah, it's kind of sad. 
Gunfe Yokoi for those that don't

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know, the inventor of the D pad.
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
And to also look back because I 

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had a chance to do a quick 
check. 

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So, yeah, So this is using LE DS
specifically, OK. 

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And so the thing that I would 
distinguish with that from the 

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very electronic side of the LE 
DS give out light at specific 

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wavelengths. 
And so the cheap ones that were 

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easily available to work with 
were red. 

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There was very much a challenge 
to broaden out LE DS to other 

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colors like at this point a lot,
you know, that's come a long 

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way. 
But earlier LE DS really were 

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just red, which is AI think a 
big part of why you think about 

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most things that have an LED as 
a power light kind of stuff. 

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It they all 10 towards red. 
And I think that is just simply 

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because that is cheap, easily 
made, because I want to say I 

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thought at I'd seen something at
some point they were going to at

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least try to have two colors to 
this rather than just red. 

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Yeah. 
And that gets into this thing of

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like you, where you would at 
least get further towards having

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color, which actually is it 
would have been interesting if 

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they had done that because I 
think people here here that go, 

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OK, well, it's just going to 
have two colors. 

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But really what you've done is 
gotten a whole bunch of other 

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shades sort of doable, which 
kind of reminds like very early 

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color movies are very weird 
because you start paying 

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attention, you start to realize 
that they don't actually have 

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full colors. 
They have a couple colors. 

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And so I think it's like red and
green and they don't have other 

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stuff and but you can get things
where those mix. 

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Yeah. 
And so at first glance, it just 

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like, oh, yeah, this is in 
color. 

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And you start to be like, wait, 
no, but there's colors that they

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don't have. 
But it you don't notice it as, 

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oh, this is just two colors. 
You notice it as this is missing

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color. 
Colors eventually, yeah. 

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Yeah, you kind of start to see 
the matrix. 

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Yeah, yeah, you start like, wait
a minute. 

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So you're correct. 
So there were prototypes that 

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had multiple colors and by 
Nintendo's estimates it would 

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have cost $1000 now not $1000.95
but like today's equivalent. 

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So they were just like we can't 
sell a console for household 

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destroying amount. 
So they. 

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Couldn't even sell it for 200. 
That's true. 

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So one of the biggest challenges
was marketing this thing. 

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They couldn't show on television
ads or in magazine ads or really

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any kind of ad what that 3D 
effect looked like. 

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So they partnered with 
Blockbuster and sent out almost 

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1,000,000 units offering to let 
people rent it for three nights.

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For 999 you would get 2 games 
and a coupon for $10 off the 

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console. 
So essentially if you end up 

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buying it, the rental is free. 
But this is widely seen as a 

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disaster because enough people 
were able to try it to decide 

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that it wasn't worth the high 
price tag, and so this marketing

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strategy might have actually 
hurt them more than help them. 

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And then let's also not forget 
that at this point, Nintendo 

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knew what the Japanese reaction 
was, and it had been a similar 

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reaction where people were 
buying it and then almost 

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immediately returning it. 
And there's rumors that some of 

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those Japanese systems made 
their way to the US just wasn't 

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selling. 
So at this point, they knew they

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had a stinker. 
Around this time was when they 

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decided not to launch it in 
Europe, which they had been 

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planning on doing. 
And so it just never made it to 

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Europe. 
So I think that by the time the 

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American version came out, they 
had a inkling that this might 

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not be their their big system. 
And but they didn't care because

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at that point they thought, OK, 
we have the Nintendo 64 coming 

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out in 90 in 1995. 
At that point it was called the 

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Ultra 64, but that was going to 
come out in 1995. 

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It got delayed to 96. 
But still, they're like, all 

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right, you know, we as soon as 
that comes out, that's going to 

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be the big thing. 
We'll be back at #1. 

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Didn't quite work out that way, 
but was definitely way more 

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successful than the Virtual Boy 
and it it made people forget 

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about the Virtual Boy by 96. 
By the time Super Mario 64 came 

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out, nobody remembered the 
Virtual Boy. 

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And not surprising, it is easily
Nintendo's worst selling 

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console. 
And it's not close. 

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It sold an estimated 770,000 
units, which for comparison 

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their second worst selling 
console, the Wii U, sold 13 

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million. 
Now hold on here. 

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Nah, you're not. 
You're not considering the 

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Nintendo 64 DD its own thing. 
It had its own games. 

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OK, but it didn't get a we. 
Count the Sega CD as a main or 

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as a a different system. 
I do. 

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That's an add on. 
I don't know, it has its own 

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games though. 
Sure. 

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I think the the DD, how many did
that sell? 

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That's got to be, that's got to 
be lower than 800,000. 

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I'm not sure. 
I'm not sure, but this was to 

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clarify Nintendo so I didn't get
Sega CD factored in there. 

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00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,280
Well, you know, well, the, the 
DD, the the Nintendo 64 DD. 

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Yeah, the disk drive. 
Yeah. 

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So despite all this infamy, 
Nintendo shocked the world on 

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September 12th, 2025 when it 
announced that the Virtual Boy 

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was coming to Nintendo Classics.
So as described on nintendo.com,

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gear up for stereoscopic 3D 
viewing with this dedicated 

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accessory. 
Replicates the original Virtual 

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Boy experience with this add on 
accessory for the Nintendo 

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Switch 2 or Nintendo Switch 
system, each sold separately. 

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Simply insert your system into 
the accessory, pick your up your

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Joy Connor Joy Con 2 controllers
and get ready for 

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classicgamingnintendo.com offers
2 models of the Virtual Boy for 

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Nintendo Switch. 
A plastic and metal recreation 

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of the original hardware or I 
should say the original shell 

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minus the hardware for 999. 
Sorry I wish 9999 a 100 bucks 

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and a handheld cardboard version
for 2499. 

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So Mike, which one did you end 
up picking up? 

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So I I hate using the switch as 
a handheld to begin with, so I 

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did not bother with the 
cardboard thing. 

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Yeah. 
So for better or worse, I went 

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with the replica of the original
thing. 

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Yes. 
OK. 

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And let's talk first about the 
joy pros and joy cons of this 

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these products here. 
What do you like about it, Mike?

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I like that they made these 
games available in some 

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capacity. 
I think that is actually a good 

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thing to do. 
OK. 

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Yeah. 
So I like, I'm appreciative of 

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that, of even to the extent of 
at least one game which was 

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never released in the US, even 
if we're going to count the 

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Virtual Boy as a release. 
Yeah, I appreciate them viewing 

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it as that, as like we're making
things accessible that otherwise

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wouldn't have been. 
Right. 

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00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,960
And I guess that I could remap 
controls for individual games 

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00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,280
because we'll talk more about 
that later, but I it struggles 

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00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,040
with that. 
Yeah, well, talking specifically

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about the the peripherals 
themselves, I think that the 3D 

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effect is actually pretty good. 
Like I was surprised at how 

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00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,520
crisp it looked, how how good it
looked. 

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00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,560
There's some nice lenses here. 
I'll get to it a little bit 

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later, but I try to knock off VR
headset and there's something 

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about the quality of the lenses 
in the official Nintendo 

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peripheral that I think really, 
really makes it nice. 

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And like, you know, there's some
nice attention to detail. 

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00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,160
They really recreated the 
original look Cyril with like 

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fake focus and IPD sliders. 
They don't actually move, but 

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you know, they, they, they put 
that in there. 

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They really tried to make this 
feel like something that was 

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just plucked out of time. 
Yeah. 

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Actually I, I, I will, I will 
give that. 

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I think the 3D look, if we're 
going to count that as with the 

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peripheral because I kind of 
quite wasn't the 3D look worked.

422
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,200
Yeah, and better than I 
expected. 

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I thought it was going to be 
kind of rough, you know, so that

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that was pleasantly surprising. 
And also it's funny, the Virtual

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boys big innovation is 
presenting the 3D image to your 

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eyes. 
But I almost remember the sound 

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effects of today's games more 
because you know, the the 

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peripheral has little holes in 
the bottom so that your switch 

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to its butt is hanging out and 
the speakers are right there 

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next to your face. 
Same thing with the cardboard 

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version. 
And so you know, you, I kind of 

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got some stereoscopic sort of 3D
sound going on with Telero Boxer

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that I thought was I thought was
pretty neat. 

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Should we talk about the 
controller? 

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00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:48,360
I feel like, I feel like that's 
a good point to talk about the 

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controller because Cyril, you 
own this thing. 

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00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,480
We don't that one of the bummers
is that they did not recreate 

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the Virtual Boy controller, but 
it's very. 

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00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:56,000
Unique. 
They didn't. 

440
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,560
No, you only get the shell. 
You got to use your regular 

441
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,840
controller, which it's just like
you went through so much trouble

442
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,520
to make this look like the real 
thing. 

443
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,880
But like I would have wished is 
going to be very first world 

444
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,080
problem with me, but I would 
have wished to pay 50 more bucks

445
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,200
and get a controller right Mike,
like that's. 

446
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,840
Interesting. 
I would say like 10 bucks more 

447
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,040
but yes. 
OK. 

448
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,400
So Cyril, can you speak to the 
Virtual Boy controller? 

449
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,160
Because I think it's kind of 
interesting. 

450
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,360
I like the controller. 
I I like that it's actually 

451
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:25,040
pretty comfortable. 
It's way more comfortable in my 

452
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,560
hands than the the Nintendo 64 
controller that came out a year 

453
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,640
later, but it has it. 
It kind of reminds me of where 

454
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,120
modern controls went with the 
the dual, the dual pad. 

455
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:42,760
Even though these are both D 
pads, I like the the links also 

456
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,200
did this where you know, some 
games you could do left-handed 

457
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,320
or right-handed. 
That's something that you didn't

458
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,440
see going into the future very 
much. 

459
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,040
And even though Telero boxer 
doesn't is not a good example of

460
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,960
that, I like I like controllers 
that they kind of can give you 

461
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,040
that that functionality, but I 
think it's comfortable and you 

462
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,440
know, it has a short cord, but 
you don't need it to go very, 

463
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,080
very far. 
No, I I like the controller. 

464
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,680
I think it's what it's one of I 
get into some trouble because I 

465
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,160
have some strong opinions about 
how Nintendo has screwed up some

466
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,640
controllers in the past. 
I'm not a big fan of the joy 

467
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,800
cons, for example. 
OK, I like this. 

468
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,960
Maybe not as much as the Super 
Nintendo controller, but I I 

469
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,000
this is in my top maybe the the 
the top half for Nintendo. 

470
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,160
At least and so and so with the 
original controller. 

471
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,080
So you've got almost sort of 
like a handle on either side, 

472
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,200
you've got D pads on either 
side, you've got 2 buttons on 

473
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,600
either side. 
And then you've got like a is 

474
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,080
was the remaining like a pair of
triggers or? 

475
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,800
Yeah, on the back. 
Yeah. 

476
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,400
Yeah. 
And so I think that would have 

477
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,240
been a good controller to have, 
in part because the switch 

478
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,960
controller has AD pad on either 
side in effect, but then does 

479
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520
not have an additional 2 buttons
on either side. 

480
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,640
On either side, right? 
Yeah. 

481
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,840
So I am worried about this being
an issue for some games going 

482
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,160
forward if they make creative 
use of that select and pause 

483
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,360
button. 
But like Cyril said though, the 

484
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,920
fact that it's like a perfectly 
symmetrical controller is 

485
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,560
interesting for accessibility. 
Like it's one of the best 

486
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240
controllers for lefties. 
And you could actually remap the

487
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,960
controls to just be OK, well, 
let's, you know, use the other 

488
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,520
side of the controller. 
I hate almost everything about 

489
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,200
these peripherals. 
These are really bad. 

490
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,680
Oh my God I've been in pain for 
weeks. 

491
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,280
I had to look up and I think 
this is part part that you talk 

492
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,840
about that it has sort of like 
some of the adjustment controls 

493
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,080
from the original console on 
there. 

494
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,760
Yeah, to replicate, like they 
tried to replicate this visually

495
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,120
so much and do not understand 
font sizes on their packaging 

496
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,760
and don't come with additional 
instructions. 

497
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,760
I had to look up a video on just
how to open the freaking thing 

498
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,600
so that I didn't break it 
because the diagram made it look

499
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,040
like there's a switch on the 
side kind of thing, because 

500
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,040
that's where they put the like 
motion arrow to open it up. 

501
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,520
Like I got this thing and I'm 
just like, I, I legitimately do 

502
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,200
not know how I'm supposed to put
how I'm supposed to open this to

503
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,600
put the switch in it. 
And to be clear, you're an 

504
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,800
astrophysicist. 
Yeah, like it just and it, it's 

505
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,600
like I do not want to have spent
$100 and the first thing I do is

506
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,200
I snap plastic because I think 
something's supposed to move 

507
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,880
that does not, is not supposed 
to move. 

508
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,440
Yeah, and it's really 
uncomfortable to get it into a 

509
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:50,760
nice position because you can't 
adjust the length of the stands.

510
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,320
I was expecting to be able to 
pull on these legs and get it to

511
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:59,360
a comfortable height, no? 
No, no, no, hold on. 

512
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,880
You've seen how uncomfortable 
people look when they're using 

513
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,280
the system in the past, right? 
I thought they would at least 

514
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,880
make the form factor not 
physically painful in 2026. 

515
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,640
No, I'm assuming that they're 
they're it's still top heavy 

516
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,600
with the switch in it. 
Yeah, 100%. 

517
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,160
I feel like they could have. 
They could have kept the like. 

518
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,640
I don't think anybody remembers 
fondly what the stand looked 

519
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,600
like. 
I think everyone remembers the 

520
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,160
top part. 
Just keep the top part and have 

521
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,760
a better stand. 
You're so effed up, you call it 

522
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,560
the top part. 
There you go, a little John 

523
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,360
Mulaney virality there. 
So, you know, and and on the 

524
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,440
official Nintendo director, they
revealed these things. 

525
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,840
They showed the spokesperson 
hunching down into it. 

526
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,760
So that's why I was playing. 
It didn't occur to me that you 

527
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,560
should make it tilt up and you 
stick your face down into it. 

528
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,800
How do you play, Mike? 
Do you hunch or do you? 

529
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Look, is there a hunch I can't 
get? 

530
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,720
I mean, I can't even tilting it 
isn't enough. 

531
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,680
Like part of part of the 
frustration with this is like, I

532
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,440
don't have anywhere that I can 
actually play this comfortably. 

533
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,800
Right. 
Like I was kind of having to 

534
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,880
play the game of what boxes do I
have that appear to be the right

535
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,440
height which. 
I did that too. 

536
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,960
Shouldn't be a part of this? 
No. 

537
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,920
Now, remember that when this 
first came out, this was 

538
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,800
primarily marketed at younger 
people. 

539
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,640
Now, that is not great because 
it also has warnings about 

540
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,040
younger people playing it 
because it could actually hurt 

541
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,560
developing eyes. 
So that was a flaw. 

542
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,080
But you know, you have to put 
yourself in the mindset of a 

543
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,040
smaller body. 
Sure, sure, but I'm not the 

544
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,520
biggest guy. 
I'm a short king, you know what 

545
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,920
I mean? 
Like, there's not a huge 

546
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,920
difference in size between me 
and a kid. 

547
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,200
So yeah, that was really 
disappointing. 

548
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,960
I'm totally baffled at the fact 
that the $100 version came with 

549
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,440
a set of red lenses because the 
graphics are already red. 

550
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,560
And if you take the lenses out, 
it looks much better. 

551
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,200
Mike, you're making a face. 
Like you didn't realize those 

552
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920
were in there? 
I didn't realize that the 

553
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:26,600
graphics were red because the 
end screen that I'll complain 

554
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,800
about is white text. 
Yeah. 

555
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,240
And but looks red through there.
And because that's the only bit 

556
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,240
that I like, I didn't bother to 
try to run stuff with it with it

557
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,920
out of the machine. 
So that's the only thing that I 

558
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,840
one of the only things I saw 
both in and out. 

559
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,600
Right. 
And just presumed they had just 

560
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,280
made everything white and then 
did that. 

561
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,000
Yeah, but it's so strange 
because the cardboard version 

562
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,680
doesn't come with the red 
lenses. 

563
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,880
And so it's like, what is the 
point of the red lenses? 

564
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,720
They're going to release a patch
that lets you change the colors.

565
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040
You can change it to white, you 
can change it to yellow. 

566
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,040
There's different hues you can 
choose from. 

567
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,240
And so you would take out the 
red lenses. 

568
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,800
But I don't understand why they 
even bothered with those things.

569
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,960
Like, is there any way? 
Because without it, the blacks 

570
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,040
look darker, right? 
And the red is crisper. 

571
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,240
And I'm like, is this going to 
hurt my eyes more? 

572
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,840
Just having the weird red fog 
over everything make it less 

573
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,440
crisp and painful to the eyes. 
Is there any science to that? 

574
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,720
I'm wondering if it's doing any 
sort of a just of additional 

575
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,120
adjustment that I'm just not 
aware of. 

576
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,920
But if it is though, again, why 
wouldn't you include with the 

577
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,600
cardboard version? 
Like clearly you have released a

578
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,560
version that doesn't think this 
is essential. 

579
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,960
So the original console 
headphone Jack. 

580
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,360
I can go grab it. 
I don't. 

581
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,920
I don't think so. 
Because what's insane to me is 

582
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,560
that the Cardboard version has a
cable pass through for wired 

583
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,760
headphones. 
The $100 version does not. 

584
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,960
So you have to play it open 
somehow, looking even stupider. 

585
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,600
Now OK, hold on now I've never 
actually, even though I, I am a 

586
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Virtual Boy owner, I've never 
actually played it with another 

587
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,600
person Now did they? 
I know they intended to release 

588
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,360
a a cable sort of like the Game 
Boy. 

589
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,160
They'll let you link them up. 
But I in my memory, I'm trying 

590
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,640
to remember. 
I don't think they did right. 

591
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:29,080
No, there's no actual maybe. 
Like Mario's Tennis has a A mode

592
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,640
in it somewhere where it's 
supposed to have two players, 

593
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,440
but I don't remember them 
actually selling that cable. 

594
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,320
And it's actually interesting 
because through researching for 

595
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,920
the game we're about to talk 
about, I learned a new term that

596
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,280
drives me insane called 
fanonical. 

597
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,840
Have you guys heard of fanonical
logic? 

598
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,760
No, no. 
It's when people talk about a 

599
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,040
game or a movie that doesn't 
exist. 

600
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,600
It's not a fan film. 
There's they didn't even write a

601
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,160
script for it. 
They just create wiki entries 

602
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,960
for games that they've imagined 
and people like discuss them on 

603
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,760
message boards and like update 
the wikis and have debates about

604
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,040
it. 
And it's so there was a 

605
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,480
fanonical sequel to Tellurro 
Boxer referring to like a two 

606
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,760
player mode. 
And I was like, oh freaking 

607
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,800
sweet Mike and I can wait. 
Oh, this isn't a real thing by 

608
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,520
any stretch of the imagination. 
People have way too much time on

609
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,960
their hands. 
Something Cyril. 

610
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,239
It really annoyed me so. 
I'm also say as much as like I, 

611
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,560
I get some level of like, OK, 
you made these peripherals. 

612
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,760
Many of these games, you can 
argue they have just had to like

613
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,560
port and they're just porting it
and they're not doing any kind 

614
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,080
of development. 
Right. 

615
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,239
And I say that with the context 
of we have already covered, they

616
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,280
had to come up with a different 
way of how this outputs images 

617
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:58,640
because this is a screen and not
a single row of LE DS with 

618
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,240
mirrors flickering back and 
forth, correct? 

619
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,680
So they already were having to 
develop a new way that this 

620
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,880
outputs images. 
Oh, I see where you're going 

621
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,000
with this. 
There is no reason that they 

622
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,880
couldn't have also allowed for a
mode that just shows you a non 

623
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:21,040
3D image and can play this and 
experience at least experience 

624
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,320
the games. 
If for example you would like to

625
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,560
play this docked and just play 
it that way. 

626
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,840
Like I especially like at this 
point I don't think I you know 

627
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600
you you can make a case of it. 
Yes, you gain something out of 

628
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:39,600
the 3D and there's people who 
will care, but you should be 

629
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,800
able to play this 2D because 
that works perfectly fine. 

630
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,560
You already had to adjust the 
output. 

631
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,240
You could very easy. 
Just like you know what, just 

632
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:55,120
output the left side as a single
screen if it's, you know if 

633
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:00,520
someone wants it to be that. 
Yeah and emulation on other 

634
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,720
systems on other, you know, on 
computer and stuff like that for

635
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:08,200
the Virtual Boy let you do that 
like you you don't have to have 

636
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,120
the the dual screen or you don't
have to have it in 3D or 

637
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,200
anything like that. 
And most of the games, 

638
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,040
especially like the game we're 
going to talk about today, most 

639
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,760
of the games work just fine. 
You don't need you don't it's a 

640
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,120
value added thing with Wario 
land to have, you know, the 3D 

641
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,760
effect. 
That's pretty cool, but I mean 

642
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,600
it's it's not essential. 
The only one where I would even 

643
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,680
argue that it might be essential
is Red alarm, because playing 

644
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,360
that in 2D is a nightmare. 
But of course I don't know if 

645
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,360
you guys tried that one. 
Playing that in 3D also a 

646
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,760
nightmare. 
Slightly less so, yeah. 

647
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,880
Knowing Nintendo, I feel like 
they just because they can't be 

648
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,360
making a lot of money on these 
things, I don't think it was we 

649
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,040
want to sell these things. 
I think it was like we want 

650
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,840
people to get the authentic 
experience. 

651
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,680
But I've met. 
I just feel like the the program

652
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,080
for this was just much more 
thrown together because like I'm

653
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,160
also super annoyed just because 
it's frustrating every time that

654
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,880
every time I try to exit out of 
this, I can't easily exit out of

655
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,920
this. 
Yes, it says you have to take it

656
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,760
out of the stand and do the 
touch screen for some reason. 

657
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,680
Yeah, I shouldn't need to do 
that. 

658
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,720
No. 
Oh, Nintendo. 

659
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Yeah, cuz also what happens, 
like I put it back in the dock 

660
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,240
and go sit down and then I can't
get, it's like, Oh yeah, right. 

661
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:25,920
I can't play anything because I 
need to go touch a screen on the

662
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,720
other side of the room now. 
It's so wild. 

663
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,320
And then you can't stream this 
thing because if it detects any 

664
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,440
kind of interaction with the 
USBC, it's like, oh, you're not 

665
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,440
in hand, old mode, shut down, 
panic crash. 

666
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,160
Right? 
Leaving my father and I this 

667
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,480
morning to create the first ever
capture boy. 

668
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,160
We have created what is 
essentially a dark room for the 

669
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,680
switch with a small hole in the 
lid like a pinhole camera so 

670
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,560
that I can use my phone to 
record what's on my switch to 

671
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,760
screen with no glare. 
Can we workshop the name? 

672
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,160
Yeah, I'm not on the list, just 
to be clear, but yes. 

673
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,240
So originally the prototype was 
a Frito Lay variety box, but 

674
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,880
like it's just insane that I'm 
having to jump through all these

675
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,320
hoops and it's like Nintendo, 
don't you want people to see the

676
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,480
games? 
Don't you understand that when 

677
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,200
people stream games that's good 
for your business? 

678
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,120
Like what are you doing 
Nintendo? 

679
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,200
So Nintendis or dat? 
I gotta say definitely don't 

680
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,720
try. 
I got some bad advice on Reddit 

681
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:38,000
and bought one of the third 
party switch to headsets where 

682
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
it straps your switch to to your
face. 

683
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,360
This is by far the worst option 
because the switch to is so 

684
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,960
heavy. 
Pressing down on my nose Cyril. 

685
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,400
I felt like I was suffocating 
and it left me with really 

686
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,440
painful lines on my forehead. 
Oh no, I barely made it out of 

687
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,360
this thing alive. 
Wildly, according to the 

688
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,800
YouTuber Dimich, the most 
comfortable way to play the 

689
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,240
Virtual Boy is to almost take it
into bed with you like a lover 

690
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,440
and lay it across your body so 
that like you're, you're on your

691
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,600
back, your heads propped up by 
pillows, and the Virtual Boy is 

692
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,520
resting on your face. 
That way you can play it without

693
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,080
using the joy cons next to your 
ears. 

694
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,120
That's what happens if you're 
playing the cardboard model. 

695
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,040
You get a real controller and 
you can kind of prop it up with 

696
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,600
your hands. 
But I'm so glad I married you 

697
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,080
guys. 
I would never want to be caught 

698
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,680
dead playing video games like 
this. 

699
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,720
This is insane, Nintendo. 
That's embarrassing. 

700
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,680
You heard it here first. 
Don't take a Virtual Boy to bed.

701
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,800
There you go. 
Or. 

702
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,400
Any variety. 
So that might not be the cut. 

703
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,440
One thing I I do appreciate 
though, is that Nintendo when, 

704
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,320
when they did surprise everybody
by announcing it for the the 

705
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Nintendo classics, they actually
did show footage, 2D footage, 

706
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,280
but they showed footage unlike 
the old, the old advertisements 

707
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,480
and did did you guys look at the
old advertisements? 

708
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,720
Yeah, that I saw the caveman 
ones. 

709
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,480
Well, they, yeah, there, there's
two of them. 

710
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,760
There's both of them are kind of
they're, they're they're sort of

711
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:18,200
in this weird dystopian post 
apocalyptic hellscape world 

712
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,000
where you know when one of them 
has it, like, you know, the, the

713
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,760
machine is this giant, you know,
like Terminator style robot. 

714
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,400
That's that's, you know, going 
around the countryside looking 

715
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,160
for humans, targeting humans. 
And this is the second time 

716
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,600
Nintendo did this. 
They also did this with the Game

717
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,920
Boy a few years earlier, six 
years earlier when they when 

718
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,640
they released that in the US. 
Do you remember that the first 

719
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:50,440
ad for that was like a robot in 
a post apocalyptic world giving 

720
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,040
a Game Boy and playing Tetris 
with a human. 

721
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,560
And Nintendo has this weird, 
like with all their portables, 

722
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600
they have this weird obsession 
with dystopian or like post 

723
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,760
apocalyptic worlds. 
And I I don't, I don't get it. 

724
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:05,800
You know what's hilarious about 
that ad, though? 

725
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Mike, Have you seen the 
commercial? 

726
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,920
Which one? 
The one where the virtual boy is

727
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,160
chasing down the boy in the post
apocalyptic land, actually. 

728
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,520
Was a clip of that in serial 
stuff. 

729
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:17,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

730
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,600
So yes, I've seen that. 
Check out serial stuff. 

731
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:21,800
He has things that we talked 
about. 

732
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,400
Yeah, defunctgames.com or on 
YouTube. 

733
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,360
So they make the Virtual Boy 
look like some kind of like ATS 

734
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,600
T right, chasing down this guy. 
And my first thought watching 

735
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,120
that was like, wow, look at how 
long the legs are on that thing.

736
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,480
That would have been nice. 
Would have been nice to have a 

737
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,320
Virtual Boy with a little 
freaking reach. 

738
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,920
But I know that we have some 
members of our Discord and by 

739
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,640
the way, 
www.theoldswitcharoo.com if you 

740
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,960
want to join our Discord and 
talk about pretty much anything.

741
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,440
They're kind of debating about 
what version they should buy. 

742
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,400
So I gotta say, Nintendis or 
that I, I feel like for 

743
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,520
curiosity's sake, the $25 model 
is probably the way to go unless

744
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,000
you're willing to look real 
stupid. 

745
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,000
But yeah, it's, it's it's it's, 
it's a whole thing. 

746
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,200
Did I hear correctly that the 
the labo thing also works? 

747
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,600
Yes, the labo does indeed work. 
Yeah, did. 

748
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,880
You try that out. 
And unfortunately I got rid of 

749
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,280
that. 
I didn't keep it around because 

750
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,800
all the labo stuff was taking a 
lot of room in my 1 closet. 

751
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,320
So of course would have loved to
have tried it, but it is cool. 

752
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,280
I'm excited for people to, you 
know, get more use out of that 

753
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,200
Labo VR set. 
And that was actually my last 

754
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,520
joy con is that I was, I was 
literally giddy with the idea of

755
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,240
building this Virtual Boy 
headset. 

756
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,640
I love building Labos. 
It's the best part of that 

757
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,640
product and so when it came pre 
constructed, I kind of was a 

758
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,960
little crestfallen. 
It felt like buying Legos and it

759
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,320
was built for you already. 
It wasn't advertised as Labo. 

760
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,320
I guess that's technically my 
bad, but every other cardboard 

761
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,240
peripheral has been this really 
fun snap together experience so 

762
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,440
I was kind of bummed. 
There is. 

763
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,440
Also, and I think I talked about
it in advance as well, I'm kind 

764
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,920
of disappointed that I didn't 
see anyone that was just seemed 

765
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,480
to be really doing like a OK, 
we're doing a much more 

766
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,000
comfortable cheaper version of 
this because it's really just a 

767
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,480
holder. 
Like an Etsy, like a 3D printed 

768
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,880
something. 
Yeah. 

769
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,120
Hey, you know, there's there's 
room to be had and I don't know,

770
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,600
maybe Cyril knows a peripheral 
maker too. 

771
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,560
But anyway, are we ready? 
I think Post Apocalyptic Robots 

772
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,600
is a perfect segue into our 
first ever Virtual Boy game. 

773
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,400
Are you guys ready? 
Yes. 

774
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,080
Let's do it. 
All right, so let's dive into 

775
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Telero Boxer, released on the 
Virtual Boy in 1995. 

776
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,160
According to Nintendo Classics, 
it's time for the Telero Boxing 

777
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,000
tournament. 
Become the champion in the 

778
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,840
sports game released for the 
Virtual Boy system in 1995. 

779
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,400
Enter the 22nd century, where a 
futuristic sport called Telero 

780
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,480
Boxing is all the rage, pitting 
remote controlled robots against

781
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,160
each other. 
You are a Telero boxer, a player

782
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,200
controlling their robot and 
aiming for the top. 

783
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,360
Dodge intense 3D attacks that 
come flying your way and 

784
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,360
knockout your foes with 
different combos. 

785
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,240
For example, if you spot a big 
opening in your opponent's 

786
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,920
defenses, that's your chance to 
sock them with the power machine

787
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,480
gun attack. 
Let's take a look at the box 

788
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,720
art, since, you know, I don't 
think Taylor a boxer was 

789
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:26,640
someone's first impression. 
But it was a launch title, 

790
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,120
right, Cyril? 
Pretty sure it was. 

791
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,920
So it was, yeah, it was 
definitely the first one of the 

792
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,840
first ones. 
So this is a super striking 

793
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,920
image and I'm I'm pretty into 
it. 

794
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,240
Mike, would you describe it for 
our listeners? 

795
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:46,880
Yeah, so we have a robot with a 
right jab coming right at you, 

796
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:51,400
kind of with Telero Boxer as 
like the brass knuckles on what?

797
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,080
They're already steel knuckles, 
which is sort of a hat and a 

798
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,320
hat, but does visually work. 
I think it's pretty sick, like 

799
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,360
I'm a fan of this. 
Cyril, you with us? 

800
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,840
Sort of OK, this is an OK. 
This is an OK box. 

801
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,800
I think it's striking. 
It looks good. 

802
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,960
My issue with it is that the 
robots don't necessarily look 

803
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,080
like that. 
And I actually think the robot 

804
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,800
designs that they have in the 
game are better. 

805
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,600
Yeah. 
It feels like this is more 

806
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,720
designed for the American 
audience. 

807
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,160
Like we're going to make the the
robot look real tough. 

808
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,800
And I don't feel like the robots
in the game are sort of that 

809
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,240
machismo. 
Yeah, for some reason it kind of

810
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,320
reminds me of a News of the 
World by Queen. 

811
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,240
I mean, not for some reason. 
It's obviously because of the 

812
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:47,640
giant robot. 
It's not like there's a 

813
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,160
different reason, but. 
It's something about this giant 

814
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,240
robot that makes me think of 
giant robots. 

815
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,840
Yeah, I. 
Don't think the the Japanese 

816
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,240
cover is necessarily a whole lot
better. 

817
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:06,160
So I just, I think this design, 
but maybe with one of the the 

818
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,840
better robots would have maybe I
would like it more, but that is 

819
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,120
nitpicking. 
Yeah, this, this like the robot 

820
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,360
design kind of just has a very 
stern looking face and it 

821
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:23,520
doesn't have sort of the more 
stylized caricature elements of 

822
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,800
the robots in this. 
Yeah, true. 

823
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,000
Yeah. 
It's kind of more generic, sort 

824
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,400
of Frankenstein. 
So the only real trivia I have 

825
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,960
on this game is that it has a 
little hidden cheat code in the 

826
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,240
starting cutscene. 
Or I don't know, serial Mr. 

827
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:37,200
cheat code you'd tell us. 
No. 

828
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,840
Oh, what? 
By the book. 

829
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,200
Good idea. 
Good idea. 

830
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,640
Yeah. 
Well, so in the opening 

831
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,440
cutscene, when you're seeing 
your player character standing 

832
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,200
in front of his teller, robots 
or robot? 

833
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,720
It doesn't. 
There's no indication of this, 

834
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,760
but it's controllable. 
If you hit the punch buttons, 

835
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,840
the cutscene will punch kind of 
like Mario's face in the 

836
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,120
beginning of Super Mario 64. 
Would you count those as cheat 

837
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,880
codes? 
Little hidden menu interactions?

838
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,720
I think I would. 
I would, yeah. 

839
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,320
So Cyril, did you have any 
memories of this game in 

840
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,960
particular or how it was 
advertised? 

841
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,800
I don't remember it being 
advertised. 

842
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,600
Yeah, independently just 
attached to the Virtual Boy. 

843
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,640
I remember it from from it was 
the basically the showpiece game

844
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,040
at the Winter Consumer 
Electronic show. 

845
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,680
Yeah. 
And it's the, you know, as a fan

846
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:35,080
of Punch Out or when I played up
Mike Tyson's Punch Out, I I was 

847
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,720
a big fan of that. 
So this, this caught my eye, 

848
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,440
even though I'm not a big boxing
fan. 

849
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,440
But yeah, no, right off the bat,
this was one of the ones that I 

850
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,360
was really excited to actually 
play. 

851
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,560
And because it's visually 
striking in a way that most of 

852
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,720
the other ones aren't. 
You're being visually struck. 

853
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,400
And you have to also remember 
that a lot of the other stuff 

854
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,000
that was coming out, we got 
Mario's Tennis, which, you know,

855
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:07,520
visually is what it is, but 
Mario Clash is basically just 

856
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,880
Mario Brothers with 3D elements,
and that's not that exciting. 

857
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,160
So this actually felt like a new
Nintendo game with actual new 

858
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,440
Nintendo characters. 
Yeah. 

859
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,640
That's one of the things I 
actually have a a bunch of 

860
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,280
things that I think this game 
gets right. 

861
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,800
It's not a perfect game by any 
stretch of the imagination, but 

862
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:33,000
as a as a Virtual Boy game 30 
years later, I think it's pretty

863
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,680
good. 
So have you ever beaten? 

864
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,400
It I've beat, yeah, I have 
beaten it, but here's what I 

865
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,680
have not done and I had to 
actually look this up. 

866
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,120
I I didn't to actually beat the 
to get to the was the 8th 

867
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,880
character the the cat boxer at 
the very end you have to beat 

868
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,360
the the 1st 7 without ever 
dying. 

869
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,480
Yes. 
Or ever losing. 

870
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:02,640
Yeah, And that is real tough. 
This game's tough. 

871
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,560
This game's hard. 
It's one of it's one of 

872
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,680
Nintendo's hardest games, I 
would argue. 

873
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,840
So I need a judgement call from 
Mike because Mike, you didn't 

874
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,240
beat it, I'm assuming. 
God, no, we're going to. 

875
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,520
OK, I I didn't mean that 
insultingly, but like he said, 

876
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,160
the game's hard and you're 
playing like an honest man. 

877
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,480
Am I playing the sound effect 
for Cyril? 

878
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,440
Because at the end of the game, 
it makes it very clear that 

879
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,120
you're not done. 
Yeah. 

880
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:26,560
So did he beat it? 
I mean, did did it say what did 

881
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,800
did it say to you? 
Did it say you beat it? 

882
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,440
It said congratulations, but 
you're not the champion. 

883
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,160
Yes. 
Did you get credits? 

884
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,800
Yeah, there's, I think there's 
still credits. 

885
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,080
You get credits, I think you 
get. 

886
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,080
It you, it's a bad ending. 
I got the bad ending and there's

887
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,160
a good ending. 
The good ending's not that much 

888
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,080
better, but. 
Well, Unit 10 did get the bad 

889
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:54,600
ending. 
I'm happy because the the the 

890
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,200
credits actually have a pretty 
cool thing where you can punch 

891
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,920
the the the pictures of the 
developers. 

892
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,040
Yeah. 
Yeah, that did look fun. 

893
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Yeah, they get all beat up 
though. 

894
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,640
So Mike, you watched Let's play 
a speed run. 

895
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,840
Yeah, I watched the speed run on
this is like 2 1/2 minutes. 

896
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,040
Wow, that's actually probably 
pretty cool. 

897
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,440
Well, so I also got to the bad 
ending. 

898
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,560
And you know, at this point my 
neck is hurting, my eyes are 

899
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,800
hurting. 
I'm like, Oh my God, it's 

900
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,600
finally over. 
You got to do it all over again,

901
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,240
you loser. 
And it's funny because like 

902
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,960
normally I cheat so much that I 
would never have ever accepted a

903
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,680
loss, but I was kind of trying 
to learn the game and you know, 

904
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,240
it's like, you know, a boxing, 
like it's really funny to play 

905
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,480
this because I VR box all the 
time on my metaquest. 

906
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,080
It's one of my favorite games. 
It's my favorite way to get a 

907
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,840
workout. 
So to be playing another VR 

908
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,560
boxing that was so different, 
but also in a lot of ways really

909
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:45,600
similar. 
It was really fun. 

910
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,280
So I was actually excited after 
the initial like, Oh my God, I 

911
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,680
got to stick my face in this 
thing again because I wasn't 

912
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,440
quite ready to be done with the 
game. 

913
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,400
I was going to take that one out
of context. 

914
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,080
So I was actually excited 
because I didn't quite feel like

915
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,440
I was done with it. 
And I love the hidden final 

916
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,320
boss. 
So I'm proud to say that I 

917
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,240
Nintended get the good ending. 
Nice. 

918
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,080
I'm a little computer. 
And when you were on our show 

919
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,040
last time, Cyril, you were like,
I don't think you're going to 

920
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,160
beat it. 
And I was like, come on, your 

921
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,120
boy, come on. 
The the, the third, the third 

922
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,960
Max, the the tough one. 
I feel like after you get past 

923
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,600
that one, I'm not saying it's 
smooth sailing, but it is 

924
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,880
smoother sailing like the storm 
is over. 

925
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,080
I would disagree. 
I think the second to last and 

926
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,840
last boss are are are pretty 
Dang tough. 

927
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,680
But so let's get into what we 
like about the game. 

928
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,760
Cyril, you had mentioned that 
you thought like there were some

929
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,720
new Nintendo characters. 
So are you with me that these 

930
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:45,800
robots are pretty cool 
opponents? 

931
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,760
Yeah, I think the the, the 
character designs are pretty 

932
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,400
good. 
And and I think that we're we're

933
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,120
we're sort of sidestepping. 
I think what is a key part of 

934
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:00,520
this game is who directed this? 
And that's Yoshio Sakamoto. 

935
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,600
And now he he started with 
Nintendo in the early 80s with 

936
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,840
the he he worked on the game and
watch. 

937
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,880
But more importantly, you know, 
he's he's worked on a bunch of 

938
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,040
stuff that's on the Nintendo 
switch online, like wrecking 

939
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,440
crew and Kid Icarus in the early
days. 

940
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,840
He's the one that that directed 
and put and program does Famicom

941
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,480
detective club games. 
There was just AI think they 

942
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:31,360
remade those MEO the smiling man
on the the switch recently, but 

943
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:37,320
he also directed balloon kid and
gumshoe, but also super Metroid.

944
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,440
Like he went from like he he was
hot off of this and did super 

945
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,880
Metroid, or maybe he did super 
Metroid right before I forget 

946
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:49,360
the timing, but the like he is 
he is a good developer. 

947
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,080
This is a, this is not just 
thrown together by, you know, 

948
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,240
some, somebody at Nintendo that 
you've never heard of. 

949
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,040
Like he, he did a bunch of 
Metroid games. 

950
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,920
And I, I think you see some of 
that, that Nintendo love come 

951
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,680
through with the character 
designs And some of the, I don't

952
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,800
know if you read the, there was 
a Nintendo power spread that 

953
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,560
really went into the, the 
details and the mythology and 

954
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,360
the lore of all these 
characters. 

955
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,560
And I think a lot of that's, 
that's pretty fun. 

956
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,080
And I think that Nintendo 
probably could have done 

957
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:29,080
something more with this if they
had unshackled it from the 

958
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,080
Virtual Boy and, and put it on. 
I mean, you know, imagine a Wii 

959
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,880
version where you're, you're 
actually using the, the Wii 

960
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,560
controls, like the, the motion 
controls. 

961
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,560
I'm surprised they didn't do 
that, though. 

962
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:46,200
They did do that with Punch Out.
And maybe that was just a, you 

963
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,040
know, that was a better IP for 
them. 

964
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,920
Well, I think this is very much 
the spiritual forebear to arms. 

965
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,400
Definitely. 
Which is a Switch game that I 

966
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,960
adore. 
Mike, did you ever pick up Arms?

967
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,760
Did you ever take up arms, Mike?
Boy. 

968
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,520
That's gonna bang a list. 
I have never heard of it. 

969
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,000
It's a Switch. 
It was a Switch. 

970
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,240
If it wasn't a launch title, it 
was soon after the Switch 

971
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:11,640
launched. 
A boxing game where you play as 

972
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,600
robots with slinky arms and so 
you punch with the joy con. 

973
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,920
Or you can use controls like you
would like to, but if you punch 

974
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:23,240
with the joy con, your character
has a big long the arm that goes

975
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:24,480
across. 
So it's like imagine tellero 

976
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,960
boxer in a big 3D arena. 
But I think it's crazy though 

977
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,560
that like none of the tellero 
boxers get a shot out in that 

978
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,440
series. 
No mention of them in Smash. 

979
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,120
But these are cool characters. 
Like I felt like, although of 

980
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,360
course more opponents would have
been welcome. 

981
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,080
I think that each of the 8 have 
a really distinct personality 

982
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,040
that I really enjoyed. 
One of the highlights was 

983
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,880
Bombcoon. 
So Mike, how many, how many of 

984
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,520
these did you see, Mike? 
I saw 2. 

985
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,800
OK, so you got to the bear slash
gorilla. 

986
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,760
I got through the first one, 
took an attempt or two, and then

987
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,720
after like 20 losses to the 
second one and never having any 

988
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:11,240
fun and feeling like what I was 
doing, you know, button presses 

989
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,080
didn't seem to be doing what I 
wanted them to. 

990
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,600
OK. 
It just, it was feeling too much

991
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,360
like a punishment. 
They walked away, yeah. 

992
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,280
It got slightly better when I I 
made the mistake of jumping into

993
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,160
the game before taking a look at
the manual. 

994
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,040
And so realizing that I was 
playing basic. 

995
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,920
I was literally playing with one
hand behind my back in that 

996
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,840
because it uses both D pads and 
I didn't have the right, I 

997
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,080
didn't have the right D pad 
until I went and remapped them. 

998
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,600
So I could only, you know, I 
couldn't dodge to the right. 

999
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,720
What do you mean you didn't have
the right D pad? 

1000
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:52,440
I don't understand. 
By default, like your, your 

1001
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,080
motion controls aren't on the D 
pad they're on, they're on the 

1002
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,280
joystick. 
I thought they're on both. 

1003
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,280
Nope. 
Oh, you usually use the D pad on

1004
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,600
the left side. 
Yeah, cuz I'm trying to do 

1005
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,960
specific directions. 
Oh, OK. 

1006
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,120
And I every single game that 
I've attempted to try to like 

1007
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,000
for stuff like the any other 
stuff that just puts it puts it 

1008
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,240
on both. 
I always have issues with the 

1009
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,880
with trying to use joystick on 
things that were designed for D 

1010
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,200
pad and I use the buttons. 
That's hilarious. 

1011
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,160
I never use the button. 
I hate using the D pad buttons 

1012
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,520
on the joy con. 
That's so funny. 

1013
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,480
OK, so so you your your initial 
impression was pretty lousy. 

1014
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:35,880
Yeah, it's like something was 
wrong. 

1015
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,960
It's like, OK, here's the 
problem. 

1016
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,560
Where are those controls? 
And then. 

1017
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,080
So I remapped them all. 
Any better luck? 

1018
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,120
Basically no. 
Actually one of the closest 

1019
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,640
times I came I wasn't even 
watching, I was just hitting 

1020
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,280
buttons with my face not in the 
thing and then checking in 

1021
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:54,240
occasionally. 
You were gambling on the. 

1022
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:59,600
Fight it was this thing where 
it's like I knew from a what I 

1023
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,440
knew I needed. 
I think part of why I went and 

1024
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,360
checked the manual and 
discovered, oh, I'm missing a 

1025
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,840
whole set of controls was cuz 
they. 

1026
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,800
So the second second boss does 
this thing where normally he has

1027
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:17,000
a head where heads go and so 
often it moves down to like his 

1028
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,200
stomach. 
Yeah. 

1029
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,080
It's awesome. 
And so you're then it's like, 

1030
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,640
OK, clearly I got to punch him 
in his Quaid summoning mouth and

1031
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,720
I can't actually like and I was 
like thing where I'm like, I 

1032
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:33,720
know what I need to hit. 
I can't get a punch to go there.

1033
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,600
All my punches are just whiffing
over, are aiming at where the 

1034
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,800
head should be. 
And so I kind of went back and 

1035
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,920
looked through it was like, OK, 
no, I definitely need to check 

1036
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,800
the manual, read through that 
fully, kind of came back and 

1037
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,960
even with a sort of conceptual 
idea of what I wanted to have 

1038
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,280
happen, it just, it didn't feel 
like it was happening when I was

1039
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,480
trying to make it happen. 
OK. 

1040
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,160
I mean, I'm sad because that 
moment I think is one of my 

1041
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,160
favorites because his he's like 
this big gorilla thing. 

1042
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,880
And like you said, the head will
go down to his abdomen. 

1043
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,520
So you have to punch him in the 
gut, which will pop his head out

1044
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,720
of the top of his neck. 
And you have to like, do like a 

1045
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,400
hook right when it lands to get 
a really good hit. 

1046
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,440
So it's kind of like that. 
What's it called when you, is it

1047
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,280
skeet shooting when you go like 
pull? 

1048
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,920
Yeah. 
So it's like, it felt like that,

1049
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,240
like pull and then clobber him. 
Cyril, do you have a favorite 

1050
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,560
robot opponent in this game? 
Yeah, I wrote down to I like 

1051
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,880
you. 
You brought up a bomb Coon. 

1052
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,360
That one's really cool because 
they actually have a, it has a 

1053
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,760
bomb strapped to his body that's
counting down. 

1054
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,640
And it it it changes up the 
dynamic of that quite a bit. 

1055
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,480
I also like that his age is 527 
for some reason. 

1056
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,120
And it sucks. 
His question mark? 

1057
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,520
Yeah, I had seen the point 
raised that I so I also went to 

1058
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,320
go checked. 
Am I missing something here? 

1059
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,440
And the bits of advice that I 
found didn't help. 

1060
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,760
One of the points that I did see
though was that for most of 

1061
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:05,960
these you can just outlast them.
You don't actually have, which 

1062
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,880
is different from like the Mike 
Tyson thing where it's like, 

1063
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,280
Nope, you're both still 
standing, therefore you lose. 

1064
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Right. 
With the one exception like 

1065
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,960
except for the one that blows 
up, that one you kind of have to

1066
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,840
beat. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1067
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,080
The other one I really liked was
a Kanger. 

1068
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,120
I Kanger, Yes. 
I don't know how to. 

1069
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:28,320
Pounce that the kangaroo. 
The robot kangaroo that that has

1070
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:35,320
a little Joey in its pouch. 
And I, I love the idea that it 

1071
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,440
reacts differently if you go 
after the Joey. 

1072
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,160
It's one of the the few fighting
game characters where it's sort 

1073
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,400
of built around protecting 
another person. 

1074
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,480
Yeah. 
And that was really ingenious. 

1075
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,680
I presume that Hugh Jackman is 
controlling that one. 

1076
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:57,480
Only, only every Christmas. 
My favorite, I mean like bomb 

1077
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,800
Coon is so fun too, because the 
way that that fight works is 

1078
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,520
that it's a single round and and
he's not that good of a fighter.

1079
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,720
Like you're getting pretty good 
easy hits on him unless you're 

1080
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,400
Mike and so. 
We don't know I would lose to 

1081
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,960
him. 
That's true, you might be able 

1082
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,680
to take him, but in the last 10 
seconds he just stops fighting. 

1083
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,200
He throws his hands up and 
laughs at you. 

1084
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,280
And so that's the time to use 
your super attacks where you 

1085
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,240
hold down both D pads in, I 
guess you'd say the same 

1086
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,040
directions. 
You either pulled them both 

1087
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,440
away, both to the center, both 
down, or both up and your fist 

1088
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,200
will flash after like half a 
second. 

1089
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,560
You get this really fun like 
kind of Ding Dong sound. 

1090
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,840
And then you could do this 
machine gun punch or they're 

1091
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,080
just glass and sparks flying and
the sounds really good and their

1092
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,640
whole body's getting rocked. 
So that's really fun that you 

1093
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:47,280
really get to cut loose on him. 
I thought that Prynne and 

1094
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:54,000
Cherie, the French, the French 
characters, they're wild because

1095
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,040
she kind of has like a moving 
hip and sort of a sachet, kind 

1096
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,120
of a very feminine body. 
And then Cyril, do you recall 

1097
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,120
her super attack? 
Because I've never experienced 

1098
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,160
anything like this in VR before.
No, I don't remember. 

1099
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,320
I the only thing I remember 
about her is that she had real 

1100
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,840
prominent breasts and a vagina. 
Well, OK, you know what, you 

1101
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,120
creep? 
I didn't see the. 

1102
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:16,760
I didn't see you didn't. 
Oh. 

1103
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,080
Boy, my eyes went right there. 
I. 

1104
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,280
Didn't see the vagina until you 
just pointed it out, but her 

1105
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,480
super attack is to lower her 
hands by her side and do a 

1106
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,280
barrage of breast missiles. 
Oh yeah, that's right. 

1107
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,440
Hitting you in the face over and
over again and like kind. 

1108
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,280
Of like a fembot thing. 
Kind of a fembot thing. 

1109
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,960
Yeah. 
So if you can't appreciate that,

1110
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,840
like, come on, get on my level. 
I was amused that there are more

1111
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,160
fighters that have an 
unspecified gender than there 

1112
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,920
are female fighters. 
Yeah, that's interesting. 

1113
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:53,160
Yeah, the Bomb Coons pilot Picky
is a reference to Japanese 

1114
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,320
comedian Takashi Katano's 
characters on Takashi Castle. 

1115
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,920
So that was a reference to 
Japanese television. 

1116
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,720
And then, yeah, you mentioned 
the third opponent, the German 

1117
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,760
robot who shoots it's like hat 
at you. 

1118
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,240
That's kind of fun because it's 
pilot ends up being another 

1119
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:13,560
robot and it's just like AI. 
Piloting AI is like, well, it 

1120
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,800
used to be science fiction, but 
we're kind of near in that. 

1121
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,760
Machines controlling machines. 
The, the final, the final boss 

1122
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,680
fight, I gasped in the light 
because so I've played through 

1123
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,800
this game a second time and here
it is. 

1124
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,960
And it says like the time to 
fight the champion. 

1125
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,480
It waits for you and you get to 
the screen that's supposed to 

1126
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,360
show your opponent and it's just
blank. 

1127
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,040
And there's, there's no data. 
It's all question marks. 

1128
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,360
You enter the arena and the 
arena is empty, and you're like,

1129
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,080
where's my opponent? 
And then this giant cat robot 

1130
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,520
just lands in front of you and 
it's swatting at you and it has 

1131
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,880
a ton of life. 
So you're just wailing on it. 

1132
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,640
And I bring it down and the cat 
robot explodes. 

1133
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,960
And in the background, wearing 
the VR headset controlling the 

1134
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,320
cat robot is an actual cat 
that's just stretching and 

1135
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:03,800
playing. 
And I was just like, that is 

1136
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,080
hilarious. 
That really immersed me because 

1137
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,640
I started thinking about how 
good cats have like those fat 

1138
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,200
reflexes when they're swatting 
you. 

1139
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,800
And I was just like how that is 
peak Nintendo humor. 

1140
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,040
I loved it so much. 
That should have been what 

1141
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:19,360
happened at the end of Real 
Steel. 

1142
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,720
Exactly 100%. 
The robots, they're cute, but 

1143
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,120
they're also genuinely menacing.
Yes, and I think that I think 

1144
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,240
they're well made. 
I think there are only 8 of 

1145
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,560
them, or I got 9 if you include 
yourself I suppose, but there 

1146
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,200
there aren't that many of them. 
But also, this is for all 

1147
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,560
intents and purposes, it's a 
portable game released in the 

1148
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,440
mid 90s, and most of that mean 
if you go back and play any of 

1149
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,120
those Game Boy games from the 
early days, they're not very 

1150
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,520
long. 
No, no, yeah, definitely a 

1151
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,720
product of its time that it's 
kind of limited. 

1152
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,360
But I also just loved all the 
moments that the game 

1153
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,320
thoughtfully showed off the 3D 
effect. 

1154
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,760
So like we mentioned the the 
breast attack, but then also 

1155
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,440
like, you have moments like when
you duck, you'll notice that the

1156
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,160
track lights above you, you get 
a new angle on them. 

1157
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,520
So it really makes it feel like 
you're in that room. 

1158
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:17,240
You know, when you lose a fight,
that last punch breaks through 

1159
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,440
the screen and gets a little 
closer than all the other ones 

1160
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,440
and your screen shatters and 
it's like, that's that's all so 

1161
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:23,960
cool. 
And I disagree with Mike. 

1162
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,480
I'm sad Mike had such a hard 
time with it because to me this 

1163
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:31,920
is way better than punch out. 
I once those once those two 

1164
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,480
control, once you get used to 
controlling each fist 

1165
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,200
independently and once you get 
used to blocking and dodging. 

1166
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,520
I mean I'll be honest, I never 
really got the hang of dodging, 

1167
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,640
but once you learn how to like 
block high and low and punch the

1168
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,440
gut and punch the face, I really
got into a rhythm and made this 

1169
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,240
feel more like an actual 
fighting game. 

1170
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,200
Whereas punch out is so rhythm 
based. 

1171
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,440
Punch outs. 
Like learn the pattern, do the 

1172
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,760
pattern. 
This one, I felt like I was 

1173
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,400
playing my other VR boxing game 
and that's a huge compliment. 

1174
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,760
I I really like how this game 
plays. 

1175
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,160
Well, I wondered about that 
because back in the day, 

1176
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:09,120
obviously when people first 
played it, it was unusual to 

1177
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,760
have a game that was basically a
dual D pad. 

1178
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,000
I mean, there have been twin 
stick shooters before that. 

1179
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,440
Smash TV came out a few years 
before that and Robotron and 

1180
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,400
stuff like that. 
But obviously, like on home 

1181
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,840
consoles, you didn't really do 
the the dual the D pad very 

1182
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,680
often. 
And you know, this is the time 

1183
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,320
before even analog sticks were 
out. 

1184
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,840
So I was curious to see if 
people would have an easier time

1185
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:42,600
in 2026 because they're more 
used to that now with first 

1186
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,400
person shooters and just other 
other games in general. 

1187
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:50,320
And so I'm happy to hear that 
you didn't have a real problem 

1188
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,520
with that cuz some of the 
reviews back in the day had 

1189
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,240
issues with that design. 
No, Mike did. 

1190
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,040
I mean well. 
I mean, once I found out where 

1191
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,200
it had mapped things and 
remapped it, it addressed that 

1192
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,840
part of the problem. 
Yeah. 

1193
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,640
But I mean, I still like like 
you kind of still struggle with 

1194
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,080
like, well, punching the gut 
when I want to punch the gut, 

1195
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,800
like the timing and the aiming 
never really clicked for you. 

1196
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,480
And some of the I actually went 
and checked another game just to

1197
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,640
feel because it's it felt non 
responsive to me and it was like

1198
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,880
is this just a console thing? 
And I switched to something else

1199
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,880
and it was like OK, now this one
feels closer to from when I hit 

1200
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,600
the button to a thing happens. 
Yeah, there's a little bit of a 

1201
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,960
delay, but I think it's 
intentional because like your 

1202
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,560
fists are flying or whatever. 
So I think we're, I think we're 

1203
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,560
segueing into joy cons. 
Anything else we want to praise 

1204
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,200
about the game? 
We talked about the fighting, 

1205
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,120
the graphics and the characters,
and that's kind of all there is 

1206
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,040
to it. 
I do. 

1207
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,960
I do like the pacing. 
You brought up a bomb Coon and 

1208
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,360
you have to remember that one. 
I think that's the one right 

1209
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,480
after the third boss, right? 
That's the 4th. 

1210
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,640
The bomb coon's the fourth boss,
correct, The 4th fighter. 

1211
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,920
And that third boss is that's 
the that's the one where you 

1212
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:58,560
realize, oh, this is going to be
tough. 

1213
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,880
Yeah. 
That's where I'd say, I mean, 

1214
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,720
the first one is basically 
training wheels and then the 

1215
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,880
second one makes you think, you 
know, it. 

1216
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,760
It forces you to memorize and 
come up with a formulated 

1217
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,720
strategy. 
But it's not. 

1218
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:19,960
Sorry, Mike, it's not that hard.
But the third one is where they 

1219
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,840
put those and then they just 
ramp that difficult difficulty 

1220
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,600
up to 1000. 
And I feel like once you get 

1221
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,640
past that, they realized, all 
right, you need a break here. 

1222
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,760
Here's here's, here's bomb Coon.
It's a fun little a fun little 

1223
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,040
fighter. 
It's not that hard. 

1224
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,240
You'll probably beat it in your 
first or second attempt. 

1225
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:45,160
And they realized you need a 
little bit of a calm after you 

1226
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,760
needed that easy stage. 
And I like that they were 

1227
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,680
thinking about that. 
And I think that's just the the 

1228
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,520
experience that Sakamoto brought
to it. 

1229
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,160
Yeah, but I mean, to get to 
segue the joy cons, though, one 

1230
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,720
thing that kind of frustrated me
is that I felt like there needed

1231
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,080
to be something in between these
fights. 

1232
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,480
I needed the Doc Lewis giving me
a tip. 

1233
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,560
I needed the trick where you 
could press the select button, 

1234
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,480
have him pat me on the shoulder 
and gain health. 

1235
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,360
I really hate the way this game 
handles the life recovery 

1236
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,439
mechanic. 
Like, you know what I'm talking 

1237
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:18,760
about. 
Can you speak to that? 

1238
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,399
I mean, I don't know what you're
talking about because you're 

1239
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:25,000
saying what you hate about it. 
OK, well so, well I mean so 

1240
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,120
between every round it says take
a break, right? 

1241
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,399
And you have two options. 
You can choose automatic pause 

1242
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,520
or or automatic pause can be 
turned on or off. 

1243
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,040
And this is Nintendo wanting you
to take your face out of the VR 

1244
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,960
thing after every 60 seconds, 
which is like if you develop a 

1245
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,800
console you have to look away 
from every 60 seconds. 

1246
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,200
I don't know if you should have 
built this thing. 

1247
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,960
It was ill conceived. 
I'll conceived, but what a 

1248
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,319
concept. 
What a concept. 

1249
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:52,840
There you go, Mike. 
But so if you choose automatic 

1250
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:59,000
pause off between rounds, your 
opponent gains health and you 

1251
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,520
don't if you choose automatic 
pause on you both. 

1252
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:07,160
Gain health if it's on off, I 
believe it's that you can hit 

1253
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,399
buttons to gain health and I 
think it's you can out gain the 

1254
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:14,319
opponent in that. 
Was there a mini game I missed? 

1255
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:19,960
You can also skip it directly so
that the other or so that the 

1256
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,000
opponent does not gain health. 
Interesting. 

1257
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,000
Which is, so there's a little 
bit of a strategy there that 

1258
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,200
maybe you want to keep that 
opponent lower and you also the 

1259
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:36,399
as the song plays, you gain your
health back and the opponent 

1260
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:40,640
only gains half of the songs 
health back. 

1261
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,160
OK. 
So I don't know if it's 10 

1262
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,960
seconds or however long it is, 
but they they get 5 seconds of 

1263
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,840
life back and then it caps it 
there. 

1264
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,279
Whereas you're getting that 10 
more, sorry, that five more 

1265
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:54,760
seconds, you're getting the 
whole 10 seconds. 

1266
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,040
Yeah, I miss. 
I like this game even more. 

1267
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,400
There's a whole mechanic I 
missed out on. 

1268
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:03,080
I will agree with you though 
that it probably could have used

1269
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:08,120
a mini game or something between
like maybe a bonus game or 

1270
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:13,440
something between that, I don't 
know, added a little bit to the 

1271
01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:16,520
the lore and also gave you some 
variety. 

1272
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,800
And maybe if this wasn't a 
launch game, maybe if this was a

1273
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,520
second generation game or 
something like that, it would 

1274
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:24,600
have had it. 
I don't know. 

1275
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,840
I think if this game was 
released in modern days there 

1276
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,800
definitely be a training mode. 
Oh yeah, for sure. 

1277
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,440
Yeah, but I don't think enough 
that was a thing back then. 

1278
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,040
But I definitely wouldn't really
get it from it. 

1279
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,000
So that's what. 
You got instruction manuals for.

1280
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,920
Yeah. 
So, Mike, what else is there 

1281
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,280
anything else you didn't like 
about it? 

1282
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,840
I mean, if you can't control 
where your punches go, this, 

1283
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,240
it's gonna be a hard sell. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1284
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,720
When it doesn't feel when it 
hits the point like I need to 

1285
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,920
hit there, every combination 
feels like it's not reliably 

1286
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,400
doing that. 
Yeah. 

1287
01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:56,720
And so, you know, we alluded to 
it before, but it's also it's 

1288
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,920
very bare bones. 
There's no survival mode, no 

1289
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,240
time attack, you can't even 
choose your opponent. 

1290
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,960
You just go through all 8 over 
and over again. 

1291
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:08,320
And it's like I would have, I 
would love to have my friend 

1292
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,280
Kyle come over because he's 
curious about the virtual boy. 

1293
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,960
I'd love to put him against bomb
Coon. 

1294
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,840
And I guess I'm going to play 
and create a safe state right 

1295
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,680
before it, you know what I mean?
But like that's, that's kind of 

1296
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,880
annoying. 
And then you know, any fighting 

1297
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,440
game that's single player, it's 
like our single player racing 

1298
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:23,920
game. 
It just feels kind of kind of, 

1299
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,200
you know, I also didn't love the
stun system. 

1300
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,840
If you take too many hits in a 
row, you have trouble blocking. 

1301
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,400
And it's like, I, I get you want
to create the tension of, Oh my 

1302
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:34,840
gosh, this is really getting 
away from me. 

1303
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,440
But I kind of feel like if I'm 
getting hit a lot, take away my 

1304
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:41,080
ability to attack so that I have
to defend. 

1305
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,800
But to make it even harder to 
stop the onslaught. 

1306
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,640
It just, it felt unfair. 
I'll mention at this point in it

1307
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,360
because this is where I 
associate with it as a prelude 

1308
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:56,160
of things to come. 
One of the reviews that Cyril's 

1309
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,400
video covers does compare this 
to Super Punch Out. 

1310
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,040
Yeah. 
And in my mind that was very 

1311
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,560
apartment into my not liking it.
OK. 

1312
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,800
And honestly also being like, 
yeah, Jamo's gonna like this. 

1313
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,480
Yeah, yeah, this is the top of 
the heap. 

1314
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:15,960
This is better than either punch
out. 

1315
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,480
Well, for those of us who did 
not listen to the episode where 

1316
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:24,800
you compared to Punch Out and 
Super Punch Out, what, what 

1317
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,440
didn't you like about Super 
Punch Out that you did like with

1318
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:30,040
Super with the original Punch 
Out? 

1319
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:35,480
I think really, frankly, because
Punch Out is the learn the 

1320
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:38,880
patterns, figure it out kind of 
thing, which, you know, it 

1321
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,600
almost moves towards the same 
family as a rhythm game. 

1322
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:47,200
Whereas Super Punch Out moves 
much more heavily towards a 

1323
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:52,000
fighting game which I generally 
don't have fun with and Jamo 

1324
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,880
does. 
Yeah, baby, that's my genre. 

1325
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:59,720
Yeah, I get that. 
And so, yeah, my joy con is that

1326
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,440
they haven't made more of these.
I really like Tell the Road 

1327
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:05,800
Boxer, which is impressive. 
Well, we'll get to it in our 

1328
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,960
final rankings here. 
So guys, I think we're going to 

1329
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,320
call that game over for today. 
Ready to move on to our 

1330
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,840
rankings? 
Sure. 

1331
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,480
Yep. 
OK, so that's brings us to the 

1332
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:16,960
moment of truth. 
We've covered the joy pros, the 

1333
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,320
joy cons and every bit in 
between. 

1334
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:24,000
So it's time to declare today's 
game and SIS peripheral system. 

1335
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,160
Let's rank that as well. 
Mike, can we start with you the 

1336
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,120
let's do the Nintendo Virtual 
Boy peripherals, Nintendo or 

1337
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,480
Nintendo? 
I mean they're an intend. 

1338
01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:35,920
Have to because it won't let you
check it out without the 

1339
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,880
peripherals. 
But is it worth? 

1340
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:43,200
It I think so. 
I mean is certainly even at the 

1341
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:48,520
100 bucks like that is cheaper 
than it's going to be to get a 

1342
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,200
original Virtual Boy at this 
point. 

1343
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,600
OK. 
Even back in the day, yeah, half

1344
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,880
the price. 
It's wild that it feels so 

1345
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,800
expensive but it's like the most
affordable it's ever to play 

1346
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,240
these games. 
It's never been more affordable 

1347
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,400
unless you use illegal 
emulation. 

1348
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,240
I think I I'm a Nintendo for the
peripheral, but I do think 

1349
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,240
you're probably fine with the 
cardboard one because the $100 

1350
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,480
one, I was expecting it to be 
more comfortable and it just 

1351
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:17,440
kind of isn't. 
Unless like I said, you're going

1352
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:20,320
to lay down in bed with it, 
which is feels really dorky. 

1353
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:22,960
And at that point it's like, why
not just lay down in bed with 

1354
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,880
the cardboard one and just kind 
of lay there. 

1355
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,960
And you know, I think you're 
fine to get the cardboard 

1356
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,760
version. 
Don't get the don't get the VR 

1357
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,560
headset knock off version of the
Amazon. 

1358
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,200
Those things hurt. 
It might be all right if you've 

1359
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,640
got one of those like stands 
that they make for using like a 

1360
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,320
computer at a couch. 
Yeah. 

1361
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,120
Like that might actually be the 
fix, but that's the whole extra 

1362
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,360
thing. 
Yeah, but you know what though? 

1363
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,600
I mean, I intend to beat all 
these games one day, so I might 

1364
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:54,160
just invest in myself and look 
into that serial Telero boxer. 

1365
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:59,040
Nintendo or Nintend don't. 
I say Nintendo, I like this one.

1366
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,320
Look, don't get me wrong, you're
not going to play this and and 

1367
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,000
come out of it saying that it's 
the best game you've ever 

1368
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,520
played. 
I, I, this is AB or maybe even 

1369
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:13,480
AB minus, but it's still I'd 
say, you know, back in the day I

1370
01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:19,280
thought it was pretty good. 
It's it's from my listing now 

1371
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,480
people that don't know on 
defunct games dot com and also 

1372
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:26,120
the the YouTube channel. 
We have a, a series called 

1373
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,040
Review Crew where we, we look at
what the critics said back when 

1374
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,880
these games first came out and 
we come up with the, the average

1375
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,240
based on their scores and the 
average, the overall average for

1376
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:41,160
this game is 72%, which may not 
sound that great, but it's, it's

1377
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,800
the only one behind of the 
Virtual Boy games that are out 

1378
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,560
right now. 
It's the only one. 

1379
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:51,600
It's like in second place after 
Wario Land, which is at 75%. 

1380
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,520
So it's right behind. 
It's it's, it's pretty close. 

1381
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,800
I think that I would, I would 
say that it's it's definitely 

1382
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,360
one of the top three Virtual Boy
games. 

1383
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,960
OK, OK. 
Well, Mike, where is your 

1384
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,240
Nintendo and Nintendo ranking 
for Tellura Boxer and where did 

1385
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:13,040
you put it on our and standings 
of all the games ranked that 

1386
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,960
we've played so far? 
For me like the only thing this 

1387
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:22,600
really has as a saving grace for
it is looking neat on the 

1388
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:28,280
Virtual Boy, but I would rather 
play almost any game we have 

1389
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,600
played over this. 
Oh my God are you talking 

1390
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,320
bottom? 
I feel like you're talking about

1391
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,600
bottom 5. 
Yeah, I it is. 

1392
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,360
It is my fourth lowest. 
It is very much a Nintendo for 

1393
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:43,360
me. 
I like and part of that is even 

1394
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,720
like I did beat one, I didn't 
feel any joy or satisfaction in 

1395
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,240
the one I beat either. 
Like it just it wasn't fun fun 

1396
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,400
when I was losing. 
It wasn't fun fun the little the

1397
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,600
one time I won. 
Hold on, OK, did you play any of

1398
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,000
the other? 
And maybe this is a spoiler for 

1399
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:02,120
future episodes, but did you 
play any of the other Virtual 

1400
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:03,640
Boy games? 
We haven't. 

1401
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,120
This is our first Virtual Boy 
game. 

1402
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,600
OK, so there. 
OK, none of those are on. 

1403
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:13,240
There in not a podcast capacity,
but just in your off time, did 

1404
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,080
you you didn't try any of the 
other ones? 

1405
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,560
I checked out the pinball a 
little bit to see if the lack of

1406
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,480
response was a uniform thing and
I did not feel it. 

1407
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:24,680
And because I want I was like, 
am I? 

1408
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,400
Am I judging it harshly for a 
virtual avoid emulation thing? 

1409
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,080
OK, so you haven't played Red 
Alarm? 

1410
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:33,320
No. 
No. 

1411
01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:37,000
We'll have to tune in for that 
episode to see if you like that 

1412
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:42,520
even less, because that's the 
one that gives me a real 

1413
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,960
headache. 
So to be clear for Mike's 

1414
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:49,680
rankings, he plays Telero Boxer 
99th out of 101. 

1415
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,240
Insanity 100 and 200 and. 2. 
Hold on, what's what's the 

1416
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,880
lowest one? 
Serious, but also for context 

1417
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,760
though. 
Super Ghosts and Ghosts is the 

1418
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,680
second one. 
Mike's Mike's List, Mikes List 

1419
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,640
is true insanity, but you know. 
What off the island? 

1420
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,520
So Mike said that Telero Boxer 
is better than Flicky and worse 

1421
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,800
than Congos caper. 
You hear that Ryan? 

1422
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,640
Well you know what? 
This is why I'm glad the Ant 

1423
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,160
standings are a thing. 
Because Mikes wrong. 

1424
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:24,200
This is a Nintendo, this game, 
this game I know sale right 

1425
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,120
isn't. 
Isn't that out of it's 

1426
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,040
craziness? 
Doesn't Mike drive you insane? 

1427
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,520
But I appreciate him because he 
and I are so different. 

1428
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:35,720
And that's that's I love you, 
Mike. 

1429
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,120
I think that's why this works, 
baby. 

1430
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:38,800
So. 
What's his number one? 

1431
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:41,960
Pokémon Snap. 
That's a good. 

1432
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,800
Number I would I would never 
have guessed that that. 

1433
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,360
Don't get me wrong, not saying 
that's a bad game, it's in fact 

1434
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,400
the only Pokémon game I've 
played. 

1435
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:55,840
But yeah, you know, like Pokémon
came out when I was an adult. 

1436
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,360
Well, so I ranked Telero Boxer 
much higher. 

1437
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:03,080
I think it's an Nintendo. 
I think it's fast, I think it's 

1438
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:04,400
fun. 
They create, the characters are 

1439
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,560
cool. 
This is what I wish Punch Out 

1440
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,480
had been. 
I think this is better than 

1441
01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:11,320
either of those games. 
And so looking at my Ann's 

1442
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:17,400
standings, I ended up pretty 
high on it because I think it's 

1443
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,040
better than fighters history, 
because that's such a shameless 

1444
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,480
Street Fighter two RIP off that 
I kind of don't want to give it 

1445
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:25,480
too much credit. 
But I I don't think I can say 

1446
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:29,040
it's better than the first 3 
Mega Man games combined. 

1447
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,560
Plus 1/4 bonus game that changes
the gameplay. 

1448
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,400
That was just such a solid 
offers. 

1449
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:39,800
I ranked it 34th out of 102. 
I worked on the the re release 

1450
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,560
of Maggie Man the Wiley Wars. 
Heck yeah, dude. 

1451
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,160
When? 
Retrobit brought that. 

1452
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:50,080
Out yeah you did you're amazing 
dude so so that means that means

1453
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:55,080
that our combined and standing 
not Mike not Jamo, but the and 

1454
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:59,200
in between places telero boxer 
at. 

1455
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:04,440
Mike, you bastard you. 
Miked it way down. 

1456
01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:08,320
Didn't you? 
It's 72nd, above Star Fox and 

1457
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:13,840
below Mappy Land. 
Star Fox below Mappy Land. 

1458
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,600
Whoa. 
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold 

1459
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,440
on, hold on. 
I feel like I'm I'm speaking for

1460
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:24,480
the audience here. 
How is how did Star Fox wind up 

1461
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,720
that low so. 
Here's what you gotta do, Cyril.

1462
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,000
You gotta listen to our episode 
where we covered the rankings. 

1463
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,160
There's a whole light switch 
episode and all of this is on 

1464
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:40,320
www.theoldswitcharoot.com. 
But wow, Mike, we're gonna heads

1465
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,560
are gonna roll over this one and
your. 

1466
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,600
Top. 
Your top is Mario Kart 64. 

1467
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,840
Yeah, that's what am I doing? 
What are we? 

1468
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,280
What are we doing? 
Here you have been on the old 

1469
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,200
switcheroo, buddy boy, and you 
know what? 

1470
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,440
It's not even the best Mario 
Kart on the. 

1471
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,040
You can, you can, you can 
complain all you want, but we 

1472
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:01,480
already got this episode out of 
you. 

1473
01:21:01,480 --> 01:21:04,760
OK, so. 
It's on Racing for the Wind. 

1474
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,280
We haven't covered it yet. 
It's not. 

1475
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:08,640
It's not available. 
It's not. 

1476
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,600
It's not going to beat Mario 
Kart 64, right? 

1477
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,400
Like. 
Well, I did an episode where I 

1478
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:17,160
looked at what the the critics 
said and that that reviewed both

1479
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,680
of them. 
And in fact it did beat Mario 

1480
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,720
Kart 64. 
Well, pretty pretty handily too.

1481
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,080
I mean, history's never been 
correct before, so I have to 

1482
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,480
start now, guys. 
We're going to call that game 

1483
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:32,880
over for today. 
Cyril, thank you so much for 

1484
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,040
joining us once again. 
Before you get out of here, 

1485
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,080
would you like to remind our 
listeners where they can 

1486
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,160
pre-order your book or check out
your other content? 

1487
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:44,080
Yes you can of course still 
pre-order the book while I write

1488
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,600
it. 
The complete cheat code 

1489
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,640
compendium is available for 
pre-order through Kickstarter. 

1490
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,400
If you don't want to type that 
in, you can just go to 

1491
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,320
defunctgames.com. 
The link is right at the very 

1492
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,400
right on the front page. 
Just look for the look for the 

1493
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,920
big picture of it and and click 
on that. 

1494
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,360
It'll go right to the 
Kickstarter. 

1495
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:10,640
And yeah, and just for anybody 
that's that's curious, the 

1496
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,200
Nintendo 64 DD sold 15,000 
units. 

1497
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,320
There you go. 
There you go. 

1498
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,320
And then defunctgames.com for 
all of your retro content and 

1499
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,360
your YouTube. 
It's it's. 

1500
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,400
We'll link it on the show notes.
And we do modern reviews that 

1501
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,960
are mostly indie related. 
We're we're getting back into. 

1502
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,760
It it's got it all 
defunctgames.com, check it out 

1503
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,240
and guys, that all sounds NE 
excellent. 

1504
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:38,600
Everyone join us next time for 
an all timer Earthbound on the 

1505
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:42,680
SNES and as of time of 
recording, it was our 100th 

1506
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,200
game. 
So it is a just fantastic 

1507
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:50,520
episode and a fantastic moment. 
And everyone thank you for 

1508
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,640
joining us for this long but 
awesome episode. 

1509
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:57,080
Don't forget to visit 
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1510
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,520
There you can find links to our 
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1511
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1512
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,920
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1513
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,240
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1514
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1515
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:13,800
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This has been the old 

1516
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,040
switcheroo. 
We've been talking gaming retro 

1517
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:17,800
with Mike and JMO. 
I've been Mike. 

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And I've been JMO game on 
everyone. 

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Oh, I get why Mike hit record. 
Oh my God, Cyril, your reaction 

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to hearing Mike start recording 
was classic. 

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And then you kept talking. 
Oh my God.