S4E01: Majora's Mask -or- Bad Moon Rising

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Well, tingle, tingle, Kula
limpa, everyone.

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Which roughly translates means
welcome to Season 4 of the old

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switcheroo where we're talking
gaming retro with Mike and Jamo.

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I'm Mike.
And I'm Jamo, join us on our

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epic quest to research and
review all 300 plus games in the

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Nintendo Classics catalog.
Today we are groundhogs dating

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our way through The Legend of
Zelda Majora's Mask for the

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Nintendo 64 in an episode that
we are calling Bad Moon Rising.

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Now, Mike, I bet you already
have something critical to say

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about my title, don't you?
I mean my first point was going

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to be your title slides the
wrong title, but.

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I was going to.
Say they can't see this, Mike.

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It's a podcast.
I know, which is why I had to

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tell him what you did wrong,
right?

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Excellent Rising.
I I suppose you want me to point

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out that rising is the wrong
direction, I thought.

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I just want you to disagree so I
could ask for a second opinion.

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Mike, I believe you have someone
who is wonderful at Zelda

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opinions.
Would you like to introduce her?

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Yeah, rounding up the four
giants for this episode, we'll

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start off with our returning
Zelda consultant, Rhode Island

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Rhode.
ISLAND, Hi, glad to be back.

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Good to have you back, Rhode
Island.

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Rhode Island playing a game
that's not quite as glitchy as

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Little Nightmares 3.
Oh well, you know, there's still

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some jank don't worry about.
It there's a little.

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Bit of jank we'll get into it
get.

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Yours got a little jank and
well, you know, speaking a

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little jank here.
I don't know what that means,

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but we couldn't, we couldn't
take the mask to task without

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the game's greatest nemesis.
Please welcome back to the show

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Derek Mcduff from the Underrated
Movie podcast.

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Derek, how does it feel to face
off with this game once again?

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Oh man, you know this me and
this game, we have quite a

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history.
So I'm, I'm ready.

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I'm back.
The man is back versus the mask.

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We're gonna get into it.
I can't wait to talk about it.

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So everyone, without further
ado, let's dive into Majora's

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Mask on the N64, released in the
year 2000.

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As described on Nintendo's
classics, it's a race to stop

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the moon and save the world.
Upon landing in the mystical

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world of Termina, Link must
embark an urgent quest to solve

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the mystery of the moon, save
the world from destruction, and

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find his way back to the
peaceful land of Hyrule in just

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three days.
Use the Ocarina's power to

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manipulate time and plan your
schedule as you solve mind

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boggling puzzles and dungeons.
I don't know, pretty hyped

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description.
You guys ready?

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I yeah, I love planning
schedules.

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Really.
That's.

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What I was laughing at?
The most exciting part of any

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day, honestly.
Put that on the back of the box.

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And also, I don't know that
there's a mystery there.

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I don't know if there's a
mystery of the moon as much as

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like, it's coming.
It's gonna smash you.

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Yeah, but not in a good way.
Yeah.

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No, like.
But that mystery is never

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solved.
They never really quite explain.

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That sort of.
Kind of, sort of.

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So let's take a look at the box
art, since that was often

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people's first impressions in
North America.

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You have the traditional Legend
of Zelda font, this time in a

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reflective purple instead of the
traditional red.

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Instead of a shield, you have
the titular spiked Majora mask

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with its signature bulbous eyes
gazing directly at the customer

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as a rainbow of colors explode
from behind it in all

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directions.
I don't know, Mike.

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I kind of love this one.
What do you think?

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I.
Don't know I.

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Think that the way that this
puts the mask right behind the

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Z, but you have purple and kind
of like a dark blue.

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I think the Z and the mask kind
of blend together more than I'd

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like.
Derek RiRi, what do you think?

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Immaculate.
Thank you.

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Yeah, hard agree.
For me, obsessed yes, I love it

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so much because it's it's the
classic Zelda logo, right?

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But it's with a unique twist,
like right, you said, just

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pointed out this is the first
time they don't use that red and

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they use something besides Link
Shield and the other ones.

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It's always been OK, here's Link
shield in this game.

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But it's like, Oh no, this is
something to do with the

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antagonist.
This is a little bit different

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and the purple, it's a little
bit spicy.

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Those eyes, I cannot look away
from those masks eyes.

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I have to know what the hell
that is and why it's looking at

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me like that.
It was a fight.

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It scared me like as a young
kid.

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Like, absolutely.
You see this like from a 20 feet

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away at Target.
You have to look back.

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It's such a powerful image.
And I also just like the

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expansion pack required.
I know.

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You're going to mention that?
I don't know, RiRi.

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Like I feel like it gets me
hyped.

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Like this game requires a little
extra boost.

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It must be pretty cool.
The expansion pack though was

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just from memory if I recall.
But it was one of only two games

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to require it.
It was this thing, Donkey Kong

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64.
Because they needed to sell

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those expansion packs.
Well, it Donkey Kong 64 came

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with the expansion, so I had it
and I will say they they do a

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lot of stuff with the expansion
pack where I didn't.

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They don't think about it so
much when you're a kid, but

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going back and replaying both
these on as an adult, a lot of

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the textures and stuff are a lot
more intricate in this game,

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whereas there was a lot of the
stuff in the background would be

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like these two D kind of like
pictures.

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They would just slap on stuff
where it's a lot.

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A lot of the environments are a
lot more in depth because of

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that expansion pack here.
Yeah, yeah, the cardboarding

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effect of the old game is
essentially gone.

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Right, there's not as much
diorama stuff in this one.

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But like Ray Ray's like, you
know, they had to sell those

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expansion packs.
So anytime I had a game that

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needed it and I had it, I felt
like Elite.

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I was like, yeah, don't even
worry about it.

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I got expansion packs.
Like, you know, I tell my

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friends is I'm sticking out of
the 64 and like everyone knows

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that you have.
That's the cynic in me though.

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Honestly I just think that they
that's still better than

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releasing a broken game.
OK.

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Like my adult perspective is
that, well, they could have just

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released a a shit glitchy game,
you know what I mean?

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I feel like that would have
happened sometimes, so at least

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they didn't.
Do that little nightmare.

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Oh cop.
Oh.

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Sorry, Zelda or Pokémon ZA.
Oh.

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Oh, oh, it's glitchy, Nintendo.
Oh, it's it's I love Pokémon,

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but oh man did.
You play Violet and Scarlet on

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the Switch 1.
Yes, I did.

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The memory leak on that was
atrocious.

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Yeah, it was, It was, it was
rough sometimes it was.

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I gotta say perfect on switch
too though.

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Absolutely perfect.
That's what I hear.

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To the point I'm convinced that
they developed it for switch too

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and like it's not right so they
just released it.

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Well, like this one, you know,
like, it makes sense that this

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had the expansion back because
this was like toward the very

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end of the N64's life cycle,
like by a few months

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practically.
So it makes sense that like,

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this is outdated software.
We need to like really beef it

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up a little bit to have this
very ambitious game be able to

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play on it.
Yeah, I was shocked this game

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came out post Dreamcast.
And then like you look at it and

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you're like, wow, like good for
them.

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They were competing with much
more powerful systems at the

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time, and I don't know.
So Derek, I want to show you the

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Japanese box art.
Have you seen this one?

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I have.
I haven't seen it in this

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context, but I've seen this art.
Yeah, so for those who can't see

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it, it's still got the logo and
you have Link writing Epona

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towards the customer and then
looming in the background or all

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of the characters.
You have the boss monsters and

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some of your allies, but they're
all covered in shadow and

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looking really sinister.
Like I think it's kind of a sort

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of ghostly design.
Mike, is this 1 fair any better

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for?
You.

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I think this one's a lot better.
And also because the Zelda font

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is brighter, there's more
contrast between it and the IT

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and the mask there.
The other one looks like the

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Legend of Elda to me.
This one is clearly.

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Dollar store knock off.
This one also kind of matches

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the OOT Japanese art.
It mirrors it in a way, right?

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Wasn't that 1A grayscale Link
writing opponent?

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This one is like a rainbow Link
writing opponent, so I kind of

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like that.
Yeah, that's cool.

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This feels like a Trapper
Keeper.

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Very, very 2000, right?
That rainbow gradient there?

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Did any of you have the the
lenticular sticker?

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Yes.
Yep, me too.

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Me too.
So is was it just a 3D image of

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link or was it one of those ones
where like it made link move?

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Oh yeah, no, it depends on where
you, like, looked at it.

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It shifted on the art it I think
it was the letters would shift

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behind him.
That's dope.

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Yeah, I think he would move a
little, like a little too.

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Yeah, I, I still have it.
I think around here somewhere in

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like my closet.
I, I loved, I loved that cart.

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Oh man.
Yeah, it was the first gold

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Zelda cartridge I had.
Same.

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It just looks sick.
It's just good on them.

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Here's what they should have
done on this cover art.

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They should have given a little
bit of a 3D effect to set the

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eyes and the mask back a little
bit so that the eyes would

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follow you.
Creepy.

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I already had nightmares made.
You want a, you want a Haunted

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Mansion, this thing that's.
What I was thinking, yeah, yeah.

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So Majora's Mask was directed by
Yoshiaki Koizumi, who wrote the

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script for Lynx Awakening, and
IG Anuma, who unsurprisingly

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directed which game Mike.
I'm not sure so I'm randomly

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going to guess kicks because.
When, I'm just kidding, it was

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Ocarina of Time.
Anuma was we discussed that one

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on on that episode, I believe,
yeah.

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Yeah, so according to a 2009
Awada Asks interview for

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Nintendo's website, Majora's
Mask was originally developed as

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a remixed UDA version of Ocarina
of Time, to be released on the

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ill-fated 64DD expansion.
It was originally conceived as a

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flipped Bizarro World Zelda
universe, but now Numa expressed

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a lack of enthusiasm in simply
rearranging and rewriting

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Ocarina.
Producer Shigedo Miyamoto

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challenged them to make an all
new game in one year by reusing

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Ocarina's assets.
Buddha Zelda would later be

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finished by a different team and
retitled Master Quest, which was

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released for the GameCube.
When people pre-ordered Wind

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Waker, did you guys ever play
Master Quest?

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Yes, yes, I did.
Yeah.

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I had that little pack and I
think it came with a soundtrack

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CD if I recall.
It was so cool.

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Yeah, because I got it with it
was like a bonus disc you got

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for pre ordering Wind Waker, I
want to say.

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Is it better than the vanilla
game?

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No, it's much worse.
Master Quest.

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I just, I just like it.
I like it in randomizer, I

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really do, because when you play
over and over again, if you've

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played a lot of Ocarina, Master
quest UPS the ante.

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Keeps it interesting, keeps it
fresh.

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It is harder.
Yeah, yeah.

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I was wondering like, was it
kind of the first randomizer of

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sorts?
It's not randomized, it's just

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remix kind of like, I mean, how
do I say this?

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There weren't difficulty levels
on games as much back then,

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right?
So it's kind of like bumping up

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the difficulty level on like
Couture or something, right?

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That was really what it felt
like.

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The whole game was just harder.
Yeah, it was the same game.

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Yeah, it's the same game, just
different.

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Yeah, different dungeons,
different dungeons.

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And sometimes, though, some of
the stuff wouldn't necessarily,

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like, make sense thematically,
which is why I didn't

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necessarily love it, you know?
It's the exact same dialogue

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deck, same cutscenes.
So according to a Eurogame or

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article by Ed Nightingale, the
one year deadline caused such

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stress for the developers that
in order to cope with the

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crunch, they vented their
frustrations using NPC dialogue,

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including the carpenters
worrying that they won't finish

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their project on time.
The mayor urging you to keep his

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trouble secret from his wife and
the mask salesman.

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Iconic lying.
You've met with a terrible fate,

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haven't you?
Did you guys hear the story

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about how that's the developer
is just crying directly to the

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player?
Yes.

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I've never heard that, but I
believe I had heard that it was

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done in a year, which is insane.
Yeah, they were like not going

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home or seeing their families
and stuff like that.

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And they would like, they were
often sleeping under their

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desks.
So yeah, that was kind of a way

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that like they put, when they
put in that dialogue, it was

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really what they were saying to
each other, the office and

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feeling and stuff.
And it's funny because both with

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that fact and the facts you gave
about Urri Zelda, I did a

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freelance piece for Watchmojo.
Of the 25 things you didn't Know

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about Majora's Mask, those are
both on the list.

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Nice, but also tied in what Ribi
said about the cover being sort

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of a flipped color scheme.
And so it is sort of this

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bizarro world kind of Zelda
tone, even down to like the

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cover art.
This thing with their

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frustration also kind of it
slightly reminds me of these

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like swords, sword forging guys.
If you try to get, if you go

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back after you get him the
sword, Yeah.

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And you're kind of like, I would
like if you go back and talk to

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him after you get him the sword.
And it's like, man, this is

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gonna take me time.
Like leave me alone.

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Good catch, that might be true.
I think that's a slam dunk.

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Yeah.
And also it just, I mean, I

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Derek, I know something you like
about this game is like, the

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eerie tone and like, knowing
that there was actual misery

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coming through the screen from
these poor people who worked so

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hard on this game.
I don't know.

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It just added a you know how
they say that like sad tears

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taste different than like angry
tears or something?

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What?
The.

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Hell, who are you talking to,
Damo?

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That's the thing that is a Mike
doctor.

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Doctor Lund, are you torturing
people and licking their faces?

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I read this and it sounds
accurate.

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According to Chris Hemsworth
Infuriosa, that's correct.

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Getting that underrated movie
reference.

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All right, so Derek, you already
knew about this fun fact.

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Did you know the movie
connections that led to a

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misunderstanding about where
this game's title came from?

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Yes, this movie.
It's the combination of the

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director's name and of Jurassic
Park, not Jumanji, which some

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people thought.
Director Our Numa said in an

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interview that it was a Jumanji
connection.

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And then years later the actual
art director said, well, no,

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it's my surname, which is Emma,
and then Jura from Jurassic

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Park.
So Emma Jura.

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Yeah.
Majura's Mask, basically.

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Yep, Yep.
And then the story, the time

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looping story was inspired by a
German sci-fi film called Run

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Lola Run.
Have you guys seen it?

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Yeah, it's a great movie.
Never seen it.

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Mike, you've seen this one
though, yeah.

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OK, it's funny cuz it's very
video gamey, that movie.

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Yeah, so I'm guessing there's a
time loop.

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Yeah, it's less of a time loop
like Groundhog Day and more of

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like she basically dies and then
resets and makes a different

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choice.
OK, I see it.

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That sounds good.
Mike, would you recommend it?

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Yeah, it's good.
It's it's good.

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I would recommend it.
What?

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What year was that movie, do you
know?

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96 it's.
Giving very 90s, so yeah.

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That's super 90s poster.
Yeah.

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Yeah, it's like late 90s or
midnight, I can't remember. 9698

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something like that.
So before we get into the joy

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pros and joy cons, what is our
history with the game and how

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far did we get Rhode Island?
Rhode Island, can we start with

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you?
Absolutely.

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I already gave away that I
played this as a kid.

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I was obsessed with my N64.
My whole family played it.

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I think me, my mom and my
brother all beat this game.

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So I nintended beat Majora's
Mask.

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You nintended I'm.
In computer.

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Very good.
Thank you.

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So yes, I intended beat this
game.

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I was trying so hard to beat it
again before hour recording

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tonight and I felt the pressure
of the day is counting down on

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the final day.
Three hours left, I didn't

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manage it.
I ended up in Stone Tower Temple

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and I said that's good enough.
Mike, I think you had a kind of

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a similar experience, right?
I saw you crunching on this game

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to to try and get through it.
How'd you do?

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Yeah, So obviously no past
history with it, since I have no

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past history with any Zelda
games.

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And certainly like Ocarina Time
was, I think about 20 hours to

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be.
And so I put almost 20 hours

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into this and I have barely
gotten through two dungeons.

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Possibly the curlest part of
this is notably with Ocarina of

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Time.
I reached the credits and saw

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the horse and went, I'm
surprised the horse didn't show

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up, and apparently I missed
that.

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And so when this game starts off
and you're on the horse, I'm

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like, sweet, I'll actually get
the horse.

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I'm so sorry.
And then it's taken away and I

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found the horse and can't get
the horse.

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So 20 hours in, still no horse.
Because you can't beat this one

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without the horse.
It's true, you don't need her.

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She's optional, just like in
Ocarina, as we learned.

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I thought you, I thought you had
to have her to, to jump over the

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thing to, to get to Great Bay.
Oh, you know what?

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I bet you have to have a bonus
song.

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If you're right, I.
Think you do?

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Yeah.
Oh, so you have to do that

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terrible alien sequence, don't
you?

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Yeah, I was going to say, that's
such a mic mission.

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You don't have to do the alien
quest, you just have to do the

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training for it.
Oh, OK, Well, yeah, still.

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Which I do love that alien side.
We'll get to it later.

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But I do love.
That alien.

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It's my second favorite quest in
the game.

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What's wrong with you?
It's so fun.

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You just play the.
You just play the inverted.

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Inverted.
I mean, yeah, you just play

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inverted.
That's yeah.

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That's why it's taking Mike so
long.

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He forgot to play inverted.
Yeah.

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When it was very clear I wasn't
getting there I went and checked

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out speed run so at least have a
gist of what I was missing out

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on.
So I can actually say you can

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totally beat this game without
the horse because this is nuts.

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There's a way that you can
glitch to a an owl that's not

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that's meant to be there for I
think for the mini map, but is

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not otherwise accessible.
And if that's the only owl

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you've marked as like a point
you've been to once you get the

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song of soaring, you kind of can
go any to any owl that you

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haven't visited in some insane
stuff.

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That, which is how they beat
this in, like with all masks,

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that they can beat this in like
a little under 2 1/2 hours.

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And then if you'd open the door
to all kinds of crazy glitches,

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it's like a 25 minute game.
Yeah.

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If you if you're doing like the
the like single frame, if you're

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good enough on your timing to do
those.

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This is like when you when you
start manipulating the memory of

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the game, you start getting into
25 minute things but.

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Called like ifg or something
like that.

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I consider that breaking the
game, not beating the game.

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Yeah.
Yes, I would agree with that.

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That that is why the the all
mask one that's like 2 1/2

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hours.
They're like, yeah, this is no

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major glitches and we're going
to do a bunch of stuff and

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you're going to wonder why that
counted as no major glitches.

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And that's because the major
glitches are insane.

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Right.
Well, so I had never played this

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game in any form before
preparing for this episode.

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And to me, I just knew it was
the spooky Zelda game.

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The image of the moon has been
living rent free in my head for

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like the last quarter century.
You get a such a striking image,

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you know, that I would just
think about it.

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Even though I'd never played the
game, every time I saw it, I

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just had to, you know, ponder it
and think about how scary that

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would be.
So I also was feeling the time

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crunch.
I've been busy lately and so,

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like with Mike and RiRi trying
to finish this, seeing those

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days counting down had a real
visceral impact on me.

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But thankfully this is my first
N64 game on the Switch 2 which

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you can rewind the N64 games on
the Switch 2.

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I didn't think about that.
Yeah, holding down the, holding

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down the minus button.
Using that bullshit again,

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Jamie.
Hey, hey.

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York would have gone so much
faster for me if I had

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remembered that, Dang.
So using the new N64 rewind

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feature exclusive to switch to
Mike?

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They should be sponsoring us and
abusingzeldadungeon.net.

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That site has been my social
media for the last couple days.

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I nintended beat this game just
in time.

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How many?
Computer.

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No, Derek, we've saved the most
distressed for last.

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Tell us about the 2011 short
film Man Versus Mask.

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Yeah.
So I mean, when I was, yeah, I

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guess it would have been 21.
I was.

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I'd already been a very big
Zelda fan for quite some time.

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And this was not my first time
playing Majora's Mask, but it

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was my first time in, you know,
many years playing Majora's

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Mask.
And I bet my brothers that I was

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like, you know what, I bet I
could just beat that game in a

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day, you know, and not use any
guides or anything like that.

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You know, I didn't remember it
super well, but I'm like, I'm

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good at Zelda.
And so my brother's like, all

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right, you're on.
And so I decided because it was

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just like this, you know,
budding, you know, movie

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obsessed guy, I was like, I
think I'm going to film the

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whole thing.
And, and I did.

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So I feel myself in trying to
beat Majora's Mask in one day

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without looking anything up or
anything, just all from just

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figuring it out off the top of
my head.

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So if I can do it from 24 hours
from I think I start around 1:00

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on one day, if I could beat it
by 1:00 the next day.

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And I will say the thing that
makes that really difficult is

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you don't get a lot of heart
pieces in this game or a lot of

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heart containers in this game.
You only get the four.

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So if you're not going out and
getting hard pieces doing all

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the side quests, it's tough.
So I in the end I played through

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it do.
You want to spoil it?

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Should I spoil it?
Should we let the?

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I won't spoil it, so I'll give
you my other history with it

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then.
Should I just?

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You gotta go watch it if you
want to know what happened.

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Yeah, well, so I can, you know,
I'm going to gush about Derek

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for a second.
He knows I'm a fan.

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But like, there's some real
filmmaking here because it keeps

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cutting away to him asking his
friends and family about, hey,

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dad, you think I can do it?
And dad doesn't want to be on

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the camera.
He's blocking it with this

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remote.
And but it's just this fun

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little slice of life that, you
know, was very much a moment.

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Like I felt very much back in
the the arts when watching that.

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And there's moments of genuine
thrills.

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You over, there came a lot of
challenges.

449
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,440
Not saying whether or not you
accomplish it or not, but I was.

450
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,000
I was on the edge of my seat,
dude.

451
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,840
It it does come down to the
wire, I will say that I am

452
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,040
fighting Majora with less than
an hour left and if I lose then

453
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,600
I run out of time because that's
the last attempt I get.

454
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,000
So I'll I'll just say that that
it really comes down to the

455
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,800
wire.
And there's some raw emotion

456
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,520
when things go wrong for you,
it's just like, oh.

457
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,600
The game did crash a couple
times as I was playing it on my

458
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,880
game Cube, and the Game Cube I
don't think is meant to be

459
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,280
played for 24 hours straight
because I was playing it on that

460
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,960
same disc that you had the
master quest and everything on.

461
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,320
But yeah, aside from.
So that documentary is called

462
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,720
Man Versus Mask.
It's still up on my YouTube

463
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,440
channel.
You can go look it up.

464
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,720
It'll be in the show notes.
See the we Baby Derek?

465
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:03,360
But aside from that, as I
mentioned, I did play it about

466
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,520
10 years before that.
When it came out in 2000, it was

467
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,680
actually, I want to say because
I played Ocarina of Time before

468
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,680
that and I was obsessed with
Ocarina of Time.

469
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,160
So when they're like, there's a
new Zelda coming out, I was

470
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,080
like, Oh my God, let's freaking
go.

471
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,280
And I don't think I had even
beaten Ocarina of Time when I

472
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,840
started playing Majora's Mask
because I was a kid and I was

473
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,640
like having a tough time with
Ganondorf.

474
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,080
So I very quickly became
obsessed with Majora's Mask.

475
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,200
I got the guide so I could like
that time.

476
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,160
I did use a guide when I was a
kid to get all the different

477
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,840
masks and stuff and in the
original my kid days I did beat

478
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,400
Majora's Mask because I got all
the masks and I beat Fierce IT

479
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,560
link I'm.
In the computer.

480
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,680
Like you.
You, you got you got fierce duty

481
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,880
mask.
I did.

482
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,120
I did.
Oh boy, I bet that Majora fight

483
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,800
was way easier with that, huh?
It was significantly easier to

484
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,000
the point where I had never
beaten him when I without the

485
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,880
fierce idea I was playing man.
Man versus mask.

486
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,160
Fierce duty.
No, what what they were what

487
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,880
what they're referring to is
that if you get all the masks,

488
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,000
there is the final 24th mask,
which I am told makes you

489
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,360
absurdly strong in boss fights
to the point that people wish

490
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,440
they didn't get the mask because
the boss isn't even bun, it's

491
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,840
too fast.
Yes, it's it's it's not even a

492
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,200
fight.
You just destroy him.

493
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,680
And so that's why one of the
reasons why when I was trying to

494
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,560
beat it in 2011 without having
done any of the side quests,

495
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,880
getting all the masks, I was
like, this is really hard.

496
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,560
I've never beaten him the real
way before.

497
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,680
Also I don't have a lot of
health so and not very many

498
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,160
balls fairies either.
So it was really tough.

499
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,400
And then finally I did just a
few months ago, go back and play

500
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,800
this on the N64.
And this time not only did I

501
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,360
beat it and get all the masks,
including with your speeding

502
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,000
mask, I 100% it.
I got everything.

503
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,560
I got all the bottles, I beat
all the side guests.

504
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,520
And I did a little bit of Jamo
bullshit in that because I would

505
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,200
I if some of the some of the
quests before a mini game or

506
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,240
something, I would create a save
point because I did not want to

507
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,080
have to go through a whole 3 day
cycle again just to get to this

508
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,840
game where I had to like jump on
different platforms.

509
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,400
But I rarely 100% games and but
I did it for this one because

510
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,280
this is my favorite game of all
time.

511
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,120
Well, I think I think you got to
lead us on the discussion of the

512
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:25,360
Joy Pros.
Like for me, if we can talk

513
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:29,000
first about the visuals, I think
this game is freaking gorgeous,

514
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,840
especially the color palettes,
the dark purples, the animations

515
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,000
of all the people in the
villages all going about their

516
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,400
daily routines and all having
his personality and way more

517
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,680
characters on the screen at one
time.

518
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,640
I think then Ocarina pulled off.
I usually would struggle to

519
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,520
picture like what does that
expansion pack look like?

520
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,040
I think this game looks leagues
better than Ocarina and Ocarina.

521
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,640
A beautiful game, but I think
this one takes the edge.

522
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:02,760
Ree Ree, are you?
Do you think this game's a

523
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,920
looker like I do?
I was obsessed with this game as

524
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,640
a kid.
If you had asked me which is

525
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,160
better, Operator or Majora, I
said Majora in a heartbeat.

526
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,600
I I think it's all the vibes
that they pack in truly.

527
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,240
It's not that the gameplay is
that different.

528
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,640
There are some changes.
There are some quality of life

529
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,120
improvements in gameplay.
If you're talking just combat

530
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,760
and movement, the timer does add
some urgency.

531
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,080
It's almost a rogue light in
that way, in that you're doing

532
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,280
the Groundhog's day of doing the
the same thing over and over

533
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,360
again.
But this time I'm going to do it

534
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,640
slightly better and improve my
score.

535
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,720
But I think it's it's a there's
somewhere between and Alice in

536
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,880
Wonderland and an invasion of
the body snatchers

537
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,080
otherworldliness to the reusing
of the ocarina characters,

538
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,200
right?
These are, I know this person I,

539
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,280
I spent, you know, 40 hours of
my life last year talking to all

540
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,120
of these people and now none of
them know me.

541
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:02,720
Their names are different.
I don't know what's going on.

542
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,400
Their personalities have
completely changed and, and that

543
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,680
layered on top of what is
intentionally otherworldly art

544
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,200
setting, right?
It made for the most incredible

545
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,640
vibes in gaming.
I I don't know how to describe

546
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,520
it, but it, it captured my
imagination in a way that kid

547
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,040
RiRi wasn't ready for.
You know, I was obsessed and I

548
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,080
wanted to just be in Termina and
learn and explore more.

549
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,240
And you really don't get that.
There's a lot to the art of the

550
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,640
unexplained here.
By not really explaining

551
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,320
everything why it's quite so
weird, I think it makes it more

552
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,920
mysterious, more fun, more
interesting.

553
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,720
So I have to answer your
question.

554
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,240
I could just talk about it all
day.

555
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,760
I well, that's what we're here
to do.

556
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,160
But like, I totally this feels
like the angsty teen of the

557
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,680
Zelda series and.
And I was, I was the right age,

558
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,880
right for that to like
absolutely grab me.

559
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,960
And I was like, this is the one.
If it feels like any character

560
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,480
in this game would make a badass
tattoo, like there's just

561
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,760
something spiky and colorful
about so much of it.

562
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,000
So.
But Derek, so you didn't take

563
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,160
this on to the cable club league
though You brought Ocarina of

564
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,960
Time, even though you think this
is a better game.

565
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,760
Yeah, I do think this is a
better game.

566
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,320
Ocarina of Time, don't get me
wrong.

567
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,640
Also just a stone cold
masterpiece.

568
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,320
You're comparing 210 out of 10s,
but that's one of the greatest

569
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,080
games of all time, probably my
top ten.

570
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,920
This is the greatest game and
part of the reason I took it on

571
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,760
the cable club is Ocarina on the
cable club is because I wanted

572
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,840
to talk about Ocarina and I kind
of knew we were talking about it

573
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,160
here.
And I also had talked about

574
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,160
Majora's Mask on, which is
podcast.

575
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,320
So if you know, you can check
that me talking about that out.

576
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,880
And I wanted to just talk about
Ocarina time a little bit.

577
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,080
But just because that was just a
that's kind of what you think of

578
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,240
when you think of the greatest
game of all time, where this is

579
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,320
it's not a deep cut, but this is
like saying that it's like

580
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Empire Strikes Back.
It's like good godfather 2,

581
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,160
right?
You have the setup of like

582
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,600
here's this incredible.
And I know it's not the first

583
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,160
Zelda, but it's the first 3D
Zelda where you have this

584
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,960
beautiful, amazing world, this
new series that is just like

585
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,240
wow.
And then you have the sequel,

586
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,120
which is a little more
intricate, a little more

587
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,280
interesting.
Little characters are more

588
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,920
interesting.
It's a little darker.

589
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,960
And so it takes all that good
stuff that had been established

590
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,560
in the first one and builds on
it in a way that only a sequel

591
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,880
can.
So I was, I really, really love

592
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,880
that.
I mean, there's like RiRi said,

593
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,840
I could talk all day.
I could do a 12 hour podcast at

594
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,800
the Doris mask if you like.
And you know, you could just

595
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,080
watch hours and hours and hours
of people theorizing what

596
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,760
everything means or like, oh,
like all the stuff about the

597
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,080
stages of grief or like what is
link going through?

598
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,360
Like all, you know, all these
different things, the meanings

599
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,280
of the game.
And, and like, it's a lot like,

600
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,440
you know, RiRi talked about also
how kind of it's like weirder

601
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,480
and darker, you know, it's a
little bit quirkier, just like

602
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,760
Link's awakening was.
You know, I think that this

603
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,440
shares a lot of DNA with that
where you have the kind of more

604
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,760
traditional Zelda and then you
have the sequel or it goes off

605
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,280
to another world.
There's no Zelda, there's no

606
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,880
scanning.
And it gets a little bit weird.

607
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,520
And I, I really want that.
I wish that, you know, Tears of

608
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,520
the Kingdom would have been
that.

609
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,800
I don't know what we're going.
To you, just you.

610
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,160
Just like if that had been the
case, if they had gone more

611
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,840
Eldon Ring vibes on tears.
Oh died, right.

612
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,600
That's that's what I compare
this game to.

613
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,440
Like whereas Ocarina is a fairy
tale, Majora is like a dark

614
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:35,760
rims.
Yeah.

615
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,360
Exactly, I was going to say that
I was going to say this.

616
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,960
This is very grim.
You know, the grims, you know

617
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Brothers Grimm, you know, so I I
cannot get enough of this game.

618
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,240
I will replay it all the time.
I was replaying a little bit

619
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,880
right before we started.
It's just endlessly fascinating

620
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,280
to me just, and I think it also
does, it is the ultimate example

621
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,640
of why this medium works.
I think you could theoretically

622
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,600
adapt Ocarina of Time into a
movie that it could translation

623
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,760
into that story could work in
another medium.

624
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,960
You would have to make some
changes.

625
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,200
I don't think you could do that
with Majora's Mask.

626
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,480
I think Majora's Mask is the
ultimate example of what a video

627
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,640
game is because of that unique
time loop element, which

628
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,880
obviously you see that in movies
with Groundhogs Day in Palm

629
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,560
Springs and other things.
But the way it's here were OK,

630
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,840
if I go and talk to this person,
then I'm going to set this whole

631
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,920
chain of events off.
I'm going to start this whole

632
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,480
side quest.
But if I do this side quest,

633
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,240
it's going to impact this other
side quest.

634
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,920
I can't go save that old lady
anymore.

635
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,840
I need her to get robbed by
Sakon so that I can so I can get

636
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,640
Cafe and Andrew back together.
It's stuff like that that it's

637
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,720
the interaction that you do
here.

638
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,240
It's seeing that, you know that
Anju, we'll go to the the pool

639
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,160
at A and sit there with an
umbrella or parasol for a

640
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,120
certain time at a certain day.
Not because that's what this

641
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,720
character does in a video game,
but that's because you're seeing

642
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,600
the same three day cycle.
You know what these people are.

643
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,000
You even get like a little
journal to keep track of them.

644
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,200
That is such a cool mechanic.
It really and feels like they

645
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,320
pushed the boundaries of what
was possible on the N64 here and

646
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,000
just in video game storytelling
in general.

647
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,480
I'm so glad you mentioned that
because one of my joy cons was

648
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,040
gonna be like, I feel like they
didn't really take advantage of

649
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,000
the three day loop thing
storytelling wise, but I heard

650
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,560
there was this big side quest
with would you say cafe and.

651
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,520
The cafe and Andrew.
Yeah, and apparently it's the

652
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,440
best chain of side quests in the
game and it's a great

653
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,920
storytelling.
It'll tug your heartstrings.

654
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,320
I skip the whole good.
Skip the whole thing to finish

655
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,520
on time.
Yeah.

656
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,680
Go back.
Go back.

657
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,520
Yeah.
But Mike, I know that sometimes,

658
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,960
even if you don't have the best
time with a game like Ghosts and

659
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,280
Gobs, I'm thinking of, an
aesthetic can go a long way

660
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,040
towards your enjoyment of it.
Did you vibe with how this game

661
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,800
looked and felt?
I don't.

662
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,600
Think so.
I didn't notice much difference

663
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,600
in how it looked from between
this and Ocarina at a time like

664
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,920
there wasn't.
Yeah.

665
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:11,040
And then I think I noticed stuff
in terms of the music, but it

666
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,280
felt more of a combination of
either just going, Hey, wait a

667
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,040
minute.
I recognize that music.

668
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,040
Or at least for the stuff that I
spent a lot of time in, I'm just

669
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,719
going to say acoustic choices
that I was not a fan of.

670
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,360
Like the amount of time that I
spent trying to figure out with

671
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,800
the crying kid.
And I'm like, I have to just

672
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,920
keep listening to this while I'm
trying to figure out what to do.

673
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,800
It's like this just keeps going.
Like if that had been quieter

674
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,920
out of the room, it would be one
thing, but it just like I was

675
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,679
there a long time listening to
that.

676
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:48,400
So like the the audio parts that
stuck with me I was not a fan

677
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,120
of.
I'm guessing you weren't happy

678
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,120
with the noises Odola makes.
Which one does that one read?

679
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:56,840
Me.
That's the very first boss in

680
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,800
Woodfall.
He got some noises, man.

681
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,480
Yeah.
Is that the one?

682
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,480
And.
He's like, oh.

683
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Derek's got
it.

684
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,560
I was like, I'm not doing it.
I might have just gotten

685
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,400
cancelled.
Hey, it's nondescript.

686
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,160
Look, I'm gonna don't you worry
about that.

687
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,320
I'll take all the I'll jump on
that grenade later in the

688
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,200
podcast.
But you know what?

689
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:27,400
I think I really noticed playing
Majora is that in my mind it was

690
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,760
all the stuff I liked about
Ocarina, but better.

691
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,760
Like the Ocarina system I
thought was so interesting in

692
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,000
this game in the way that you
could modify certain songs to

693
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,000
get a different spell, quote UN
quote.

694
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,160
You know, Song of Time most
obviously.

695
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,600
And then I loved the part when
you are in the Zora Kingdom.

696
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,680
Or is it the Goran?
No, the Goran king who's too old

697
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,040
and can't can only remember the
first part of a song.

698
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Yeah, yeah, the elder.
You you learn the Goran Lullaby

699
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,240
in two parts, yeah.
And then later on in the Zora 1,

700
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:03,280
you have the feuding band
members, and so they don't want

701
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,920
to work together.
So you got to get half the song

702
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,600
from this fish and half the song
from that fish, and then you

703
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,400
combine it and bring the band
back together and they play the

704
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,840
credits.
I was just like, hell yeah, we

705
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,520
got the band back together.
Like there were so many.

706
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,400
Can I ask a question about the
band you bring up?

707
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640
There.
So is that the same band that

708
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,640
like the manager is in the town
for us is?

709
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,680
Different.
Yes, yes, they think the indie

710
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:31,800
go go's.
Are and so are they because that

711
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,240
that's the bit where there's a
bit in the dialogue with the

712
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,840
manager about their song.
I think it, I think that's who

713
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,400
has the bit of dialogue about
this, their them having a song

714
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,040
Ballad of the Wind fish.
Yes.

715
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,520
You know, you know where that's.
From and the fun part is because

716
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,920
it's like, Oh, have you heard
the song?

717
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,960
It's like really?
And it's like, wait, no, wait,

718
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,080
no, I have which which now makes
a lot more sense when you bring

719
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,560
up the OR.
I think you mentioned that part

720
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,680
of the creative force behind
this were also links Awakening.

721
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,640
Yeah.
Yeah, and and I will say 1 cool

722
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,480
thing about that song and you
guys, I don't know, the side

723
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,440
quests are really what make this
game like it's in great as the

724
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,280
main stuff is the side quests
are really the juice.

725
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,440
And that was something I missed
when I did that man versus mask

726
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,440
is I was like, man, I wish I
could go see that hand in the

727
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,320
toilet and all this other stuff.
And one of the great quests is

728
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,520
after you do the aliens of the
Romani thing, you can go to this

729
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,400
bar and you can meet them.
And in the bar is the manager of

730
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,280
that band and also the manager
of the like, traveling troop

731
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,880
that is in town.
And he's just kind of drunk and

732
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,640
angry.
And if you piece by piece play

733
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,240
all the different songs while
they're doing like a sound check

734
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,640
of the Ballad of the Wind fish,
you stand here, you play the

735
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,560
ocarina, you stand here, you
play the drums, you stand here,

736
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,920
play the guitar and, and the
pipes.

737
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,200
And it all comes together and
makes this incredible song.

738
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,240
And he starts, he's like moved
to tears and he remembers like,

739
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,880
This is why I got into this show
business.

740
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,720
It's moments like that.
It's the characters that you're

741
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,160
connecting with so deeply by
making the impact in their

742
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,160
lives.
And that's why I love that thing

743
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,720
about the Notebook book and like
doing all these side quests and,

744
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,480
you know, even after you beat
the game, the happy mask

745
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,040
salesman says something came to
look at all these people you've

746
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,120
made happy, and you only get to
see them in the credits when

747
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,840
you've done it.
Yeah, Jamo, your credits weren't

748
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,600
complete, by the way.
Not at all.

749
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,120
You get more credits if you
complete more personal side

750
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,280
quests.
Yeah, it's just a.

751
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,840
It's just like the empty mask
when you haven't completed that

752
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,000
quest.
Right, which is kind of dark.

753
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,680
Gives you a hint right to go go
fix that if you want.

754
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,160
If you choose to, which like
there is the option to, you can

755
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,440
start your save file and it's
the start of the three days

756
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,680
again before you go to the moon.
You can you can try it makes it

757
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,600
very friendly to go back in my
opinion.

758
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,320
But, and I love that mechanic of
the number of masks you collect

759
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,520
determining how good your ending
is, because it's not like you

760
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,400
get a bad ending if you don't
get enough of them.

761
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,960
That would have been irritating.
But you don't get to impact as

762
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,800
many lives if you haven't
touched all of their lives.

763
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,920
And so I can see, Derek, what
you're saying, like it really

764
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,800
has this feeling of like a town
that's really alive and that you

765
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,720
could drop in on any one of
these NPCS and they'll have an

766
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,320
elaborate back story that's
happening in the background the

767
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,240
whole time.
Meanwhile, the moon is always

768
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,640
just out of frame.
And if you ever look up, it'll

769
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,200
always be staring at you,
reminding you of the doom that's

770
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,560
coming.
It's like, this is such good

771
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,680
storytelling.
I would say like we're Ocarina

772
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,280
is like Disney.
This is like Tim Burton to me.

773
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,040
Or like, hey.
Or like.

774
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,320
On the Rated podcast.
That's right, I've totally seen

775
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,920
all of those movies.
Mr. Link, eh?

776
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:58,160
Let's talk about the masks.
I think they're run the gamut

777
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,160
from really cool to just really
quirky to like what the hell,

778
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,920
Why is this in the cage?
Can we do a mini game minute?

779
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,360
Yeah.
OK you guys, tell me your

780
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,120
favorite mask and I'll give you
your tarot reading.

781
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,160
I love that.
What that means about you?

782
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,880
Can I?
We're gonna call this Terry

783
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,840
Rereading.
Well, RiRi, can I ask favorite

784
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,520
mask in terms of you like the
vibe of the mask or you like the

785
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,000
effect of it?
What do you mean?

786
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,360
I'm gonna leave that to your
interpretation.

787
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,240
She's right.
You trust the cards, your heart

788
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,520
just goes to one of them.
I got my answer.

789
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,600
Might be a little on the nose
but I like the weird kinky all

790
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,280
night mask that's like.
Oh gemo, that means you're

791
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,840
lonely.
You just want to talk to all

792
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,480
night long and listen to you and
really, really hear what you're

793
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,200
saying and not fall asleep.
I mean, I started a podcast for

794
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,360
a reason, so you guys are.
Yeah.

795
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,680
But it's also, it's just like
you look at it to me, it's

796
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,600
clearly like leather and your
eyes are bulging out and you

797
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,080
kind of, you kind of have like a
gag on.

798
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,280
And the implication is that it's
forcing your eyelids open so

799
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,600
that you don't fall asleep
during the old lady's story.

800
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,680
I isn't it something like if you
think it's, it's implied

801
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,120
somewhere that it was like used
by the Garrow or something for

802
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,760
torture purposes to keep their
enemies up at night or something

803
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,960
like that?
Oh God.

804
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,440
There's some there's I think if
you click on the mask in the

805
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,720
start menu there's some texts.
I could be wrong.

806
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,600
I think it kind of looks like a
Gray, very surprised pincer.

807
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,160
Pincer.
Is that your choice, Mike?

808
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,200
Oh yeah, Mike, I think you
should go next cuz you didn't

809
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,160
see all of these.
So of the ones you managed, did

810
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,640
you have one that that that
stuck out to you?

811
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,280
Yeah, I put a description of all
the powers for you to reference,

812
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,040
Mike.
I mean, all six masks that I

813
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,840
saw.
I mean, of those six, I guess

814
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,160
I'll, I'll go with the frog.
All the frog.

815
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,880
I do like that one very
similarly.

816
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,480
You just want to be understood,
right?

817
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,400
You just want to be friends.
I like that you just you know,

818
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,080
and you want to see people and
understand people and you want

819
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,040
them to see and understand you
connections, right?

820
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,880
It's like you started a podcast
or something.

821
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,920
Spoiler alert, these are all
about starting a podcast cuz all

822
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,960
you gross started a podcast.
Well, let's ask the last

823
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,400
podcaster.
And can you read your own reread

824
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:32,960
and?
I'll do.

825
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,760
I will do mine after.
It's fine.

826
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,480
I think mine is an interesting.
I don't really like the look of

827
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:45,840
this mask, more that I like what
you have to do to earn it and

828
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,040
what it does for you once you
have it.

829
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,200
And that is the couple's mask.
Oh, it's so slick.

830
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,240
We were just talking about so I
always call it like the romance

831
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,760
mask.
I you know, I'm sure it's called

832
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,760
couples mask somewhere in there.
I agree the look is lackluster

833
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,240
but yeah, couples mask you're
just you're a romantic at heart.

834
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,880
I would say the same thing for
cafe too.

835
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,160
That was that.
Honestly, that was almost I

836
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,720
almost go with because that's
the beginning.

837
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,800
That's the end we talked about.
Right.

838
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,360
Could the couples mask be
described?

839
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,800
It's it's like basically like an
Oval with a weird kind of just

840
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,960
like Criss crossing design on
it.

841
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,240
Looks like a mummy mask to me,
like when I look at but there is

842
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,360
there is more mummy like.
Yeah, it's not the Gibdo mask, I

843
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,320
guess it's a little whiter.
There's no eyes, there's no

844
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,560
mouth, there's no nose, there's
no indication it's a face at

845
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,200
all.
I think it's just a design.

846
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,560
I thought it was some kind of
like shapes balancing, some kind

847
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,160
of the fact there's some
symbolism I wasn't detecting,

848
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,880
but you know it.
Looks like abstract to me.

849
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,520
It's it's basically an
engagement ring, but a mask.

850
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,560
It's dignity.
It's dignity, Mike, we mentioned

851
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,120
the Gibbdo mask.
If I can just jump on on that

852
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,480
real quick, that had one of my
favorite mask moments where the

853
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,960
poor little girl in the the
dusty Canyon has her father

854
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,280
who's become like the undead
essentially.

855
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:11,160
And you know, my first instinct,
OK, slash it.

856
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,240
And she runs in and goes, stop.
That's my dad.

857
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,280
Like leave here, please don't
kill my dad.

858
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,720
And you get the Gibbdo mask.
And then you can write, you can

859
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,480
talk to her, or you can talk to
the zombies and you can cure

860
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,600
him.
Truly, truly beautiful,

861
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,280
heartbreaking moment where you,
you know, you play the song of

862
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,640
healing the masks comes off him.
And then there's that reunion

863
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,560
and your fairy Tattle.
By the way, we haven't even

864
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,160
talked about it all.
Tattle is so great.

865
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,480
Big improvement over Navi.
Sorry to the three people who

866
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,240
like Navi out there, but like,
Tattle is just so, so much

867
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:44,120
better. 100%.
And she's just, yeah.

868
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,080
And she's just kind of like,
hey, dude, give this father and

869
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,160
daughter a moment.
Like, they, like, she's been

870
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,520
afraid of her own dad for, like,
months now.

871
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,880
And also, I'll say something
about that mask and the other

872
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,000
two spooky masks.
If you wear any of them while

873
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,600
you're in iconic castle, the
Redead will not attack you.

874
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,520
They will do different weird
dances.

875
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,440
And if you wear the captain's
hat when you're in the final

876
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:12,400
battle, I forget his name,
Igaladu, the the main bat, the

877
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,440
king of Econic Castle, will for
a second, like, think you're the

878
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,120
captain and be like, how'd you
get so small?

879
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:20,520
Wait, you're trying to trick me?
They talk to you like everybody

880
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,320
thinks you're the captain.
If you wear the captain's hat,

881
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,040
it's pretty good.
Yeah, it's awesome.

882
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,440
I mean, that's just kind of
conceit for storytelling through

883
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,760
the whole game, though.
That was one of the things I

884
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,240
thought was so cool about it, is
that you wear the Goron mask,

885
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,880
you walk up to any NPC, they
talk to you as if you're a

886
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,280
Goron.
And so that alone required so

887
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,280
much more dialogue.
Every NPC had to have a reaction

888
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,640
to Link and a reaction to if
he's dressed as a Zora and a

889
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,480
reaction as a Deku.
And it's just like that must

890
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,200
have been exhausting.
Reaching conversation paths,

891
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,480
right?
Or like if you wear the Cafe

892
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,840
Faye mask, like some people,
like I haven't seen him, I don't

893
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,320
know where he's at.
You wear it to like certain

894
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,760
people.
They're like, he's not like you

895
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,600
go to Romani's ranch because
there's a whole rumor that like

896
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,320
he ran off with Romani because
there's a love triangle there

897
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,240
happening there where Romani
definitely has feelings for a

898
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,440
cafe.
And like she's like, he's not

899
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,120
here.
Or if you do it to like, you

900
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,720
know, Andrew's mom, she's like,
get that shit off your face.

901
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:15,440
Get out of here.
You know, it's, it's like, and

902
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,400
so many of the masks do that
with so many characters.

903
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,200
Yeah.
Very cool.

904
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,720
So with the one that's more
distinctly bandaged and that in,

905
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,080
if that's a, you play the song
healing and then like just the

906
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,600
bandages come off.
Did Jeremy just try to kill a

907
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,960
leper?
Is that or is there more to

908
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,840
that?
Because that's all I'm taking

909
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,320
away.
Leprosy is not spreading on my

910
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,720
watch, Mike.
Wow.

911
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,520
OK, so my favorite mask, yes, is
the Bremen mask, which is the

912
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,960
angry cuckoo mask.
Because when you when you have

913
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,480
it on, you have the option to
play a March and you play a

914
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,200
jaunty little tune and you high
step around and it's really

915
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,480
cute.
And if you do it in one of the

916
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,200
ranch areas, you can get all the
little baby tiny chicks to

917
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,320
follow you.
And if you line them all up,

918
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,320
they'll turn into full grown
cuckoos.

919
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,480
And that that particular
dialogue is so sad because the

920
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,800
reason you do that quest is
there's a a cuckoo keeper who is

921
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,280
sad that his poor chickens are
never going to make it to

922
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,880
maturity as the moon's gonna
crash, the world's gonna end,

923
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,320
and they'll never live to see
adulthood, right.

924
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,800
So you can use the Bremen mask
to March them around.

925
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,520
It's it's precious.
And they can all hatch and

926
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,360
become, you know, adult cuckoos.
And he'll give you the Bunny

927
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,920
Hood as a reward.
So it's incredibly easy to get.

928
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,360
And the Bunny Hood is absolutely
Opie in this game.

929
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,200
It's.
So good.

930
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,760
It's so, it's so Opie, it's so
necessary.

931
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,240
It kind of makes opponent, like
redundant that yeah.

932
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,360
Yeah, so the Bremen mask is I
want to have all my little

933
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,240
minions and all my little
followers following me around,

934
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,040
but growing because of.
Me, is that your chat?

935
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,720
This is why, yeah.
That's my chat.

936
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,080
Yeah, absolutely.
Really real fact trivia here.

937
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,320
Do you know why it why it's
called the Bremen mask?

938
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,880
No, I have no idea.
So I found this out when I was

939
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,680
doing research for that article
cuz I never knew I was.

940
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,200
What is brim?
The It's a reference to a

941
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,000
Grimm's fairy tale about a troop
of animal performers.

942
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,360
Just like that's how you get the
the brim mask.

943
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,880
His dialogue is about exactly
like a circus troop, basically.

944
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,400
And so that's what it's
referencing.

945
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,760
It's referencing A Grimm's fairy
tale about a troop of animals

946
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,800
that went and performed in the
German city of Bremen.

947
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,440
That's so cool, I love that.
I'm glad that you have all the

948
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,840
trivia.
I have so much useless knowledge

949
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,240
about this game.
And the question on everyone's

950
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:34,120
mind is what does it mean if you
pick the Zora mask and it means

951
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:40,240
you're horny?
Hello sexy fish people, one of

952
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:45,760
our very first popular Tik Toks.
Jamos, I see he's leaned into it

953
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,320
because he's put the description
of Zora become sexy.

954
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,720
That's the effect.
I had a limited number of

955
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,160
letters there.
Really.

956
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,840
Although that was fun, when a
student last year came up to me

957
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,120
towards the end of the year and
was like sexy fish people.

958
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,840
I was like, hey, I was like,
listen, you found the podcast on

959
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,720
your own.
All right.

960
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,040
One last thing.
I wanted to just sing about this

961
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,440
game.
The praises of I guess is how it

962
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,560
varies the gameplay.
I felt like once an hour the

963
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,560
gameplay style would like shift.
So there was like the horde mode

964
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,680
defending the barn against the
aliens.

965
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,120
Then there's a Pokémon snap.
River cruise, Derek.

966
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,320
Hell yeah.
Right.

967
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,720
Like, is that the most Derek
thing you've ever seen in your

968
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:35,040
freaking life?
Right, thrown it back to my OG

969
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,680
appearance.
And and then swimming as the

970
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,640
Zora through Great Bay and
dolphin jumping.

971
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,880
And you've never moved this fast
in an N64 game so graceful.

972
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,720
The rail shooter defend the
caravan betting on freaking dog

973
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:54,280
races.
Go Boo dog.

974
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,920
This was like.
GTA before and everyone was

975
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,080
like, Oh my God, GTA, you can
actually go bowling.

976
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,760
Majora's Mass did that and
didn't even brag about it like

977
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,240
25 years ago.
So was there anything else we

978
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:09,360
liked about this game before we
move into our next segment?

979
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,800
I mean, it's it's just like
everything, right?

980
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,880
It's like you said, there's just
so much to do here.

981
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,520
And as, like I said, as good as
the main plot of this is where

982
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,400
you're going up against Skull
Kid and who, by the way, like

983
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,160
you feel for the Skull Kid.
He's like Gander is like evil,

984
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,680
whereas Skull Kid is like this
poor misguided him who is, you

985
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,720
know, been hurt by his friend.
He's been kind of gets used as a

986
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:35,160
literal puppet, but and that's
all great, but what's really,

987
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,800
really works for this game is
going and talking to these

988
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,240
people and interacting with
their lives and really getting

989
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:42,880
to know them.
And just to talk to a little bit

990
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,080
about the Cafe one.
That is the quest where you

991
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,040
start to meet like every you're
meeting all these different

992
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,720
people, you're meeting postman
and Cafe's mom.

993
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,080
You're going in and out of the
city and you have to go to

994
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,760
specific places at specific
times.

995
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,360
You have to go to seconds hide
on.

996
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,760
It's hard that that like if that
thing is hard, you actually

997
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,640
control Cafe for a second and
then to the reward at the end of

998
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,000
that is so like it's so
fulfilling.

999
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,040
And that I don't think there's
been very many moments in any

1000
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,080
video game that touched me as
much as you're there with Andrew

1001
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,640
and you're waiting for Cafe to
come and you're just like, when

1002
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,480
is he going to get here?
And the moon is going to fall.

1003
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,160
And she is like, I have accepted
my fate because if you don't,

1004
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,640
she will leave.
She'll go to Romani Ranch.

1005
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,520
But if you intervene, she's
like, I trust that he's going to

1006
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,800
come here, whatever happens.
And then when he finally gets

1007
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,960
there with like a minute left,
they're about to be obliterated

1008
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,560
by this thing and they're like,
whatever happens, we are going

1009
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,080
to face the morning together.
How can you not be romantic

1010
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,000
about that?
That was the whole sub quest I

1011
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:50,120
skipped.
You got it's Oh my gosh, I that

1012
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,120
because I said the aliens was my
second favorite.

1013
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,920
That is my number one with a
bullet because it's that, but

1014
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,520
it's like a branching side
quest.

1015
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,920
It's like multiple side quests.
And if you want to get

1016
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,520
everything in it, you have to do
it at least two times because

1017
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,600
there's two different you can
either give the the letter to

1018
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,000
the postman or his mom.
They'll both give you a mask.

1019
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,760
So it's it's one of those things
that it just it makes the game

1020
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,000
right.
And you don't need to do it to

1021
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,480
beat it, like you said, but it's
so rewarding if you do.

1022
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,840
And, and I'll say also, if you
do, in those end scenes we

1023
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,440
talked about, you get to see
their wedding.

1024
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,680
Oh my God.
Oh my God.

1025
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,800
These characters mean so much to
you, Derek.

1026
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,400
They really do.
They really.

1027
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,040
Do I love it?
I Yeah, I could heap praise on

1028
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,120
this game all day long.
The enemies are more

1029
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:44,320
interesting, the combat is more
varied, the tools are a little

1030
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,080
more polished.
The very first thing you do in

1031
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,360
this game is you jump up 3
stumps and they immediately show

1032
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,640
you, hey, this is not the same
game by the jumps being very

1033
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,520
different, right?
He does a gainer now he does a

1034
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,640
flip and that just sets you up
for this is the same but better.

1035
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:05,400
And that feeling stuck with me
the entire time I played it, and

1036
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,040
it was absolutely reinvigorated
playing it again to remind

1037
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,760
myself of everything for the
podcast.

1038
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,320
I think it's a rich,
interesting, fascinating Wizard

1039
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,600
of Oz take on Ocarina and I I
absolutely adore it.

1040
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,160
Mike, was there anything that
you liked about the game?

1041
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,880
Because I'm getting the sense
you had trouble with it, I

1042
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,120
think.
With some reservations, I think

1043
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,120
a lot of the plot stuff that was
going on within the town is at

1044
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,400
least the part that I that I
found more interesting.

1045
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,600
And then you just have to leave
the town and do stuff.

1046
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,600
And how a lot of that worked, I
was less thrilled on.

1047
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,880
But I think that that like once
I had that notebook and I was

1048
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,200
like, OK, I can, if I can find
the right people, I can get some

1049
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,480
of this.
Like I started to do some, I did

1050
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,800
some of those tasks.
I don't think any anything to

1051
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,280
like the full like happiness
stickers on there, but like like

1052
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,280
the training with the postman
that I somehow got the 10 second

1053
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,240
thing.
Yeah, I like what I.

1054
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,280
Cheated.
I have to cheat to do that too.

1055
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,040
I cheated.
I don't know how that happened.

1056
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,400
Amazing.
Took me about like four or five

1057
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,960
tries.
Mike's, that's the result.

1058
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,760
The player here, did you, did
you attempt Gore on racing?

1059
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,720
Did you get that?
Yes.

1060
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,080
Did you?
Did you win?

1061
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,720
Did you get the gold dust?
Yeah, I'm gonna have our that's

1062
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:25,880
gonna come up in the later
segment.

1063
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,240
I I shocked myself this time
around.

1064
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:35,480
I haven't done it in years and I
managed it in three tries.

1065
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,280
Absolutely flabbergasted.
I my heart was beating so hard

1066
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,120
when I was like I'm gonna do it
cuz I didn't give myself that

1067
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,640
much time to try right?
I thought I'll do it a few times

1068
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,240
and I'll move on so I can beat
the game.

1069
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,880
Shocked shook it.
The skills from childhood

1070
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,840
reemerge.
Good for you.

1071
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Thank you.
My skill was holding down the

1072
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,880
minus button and rewinding when
I made a mistake.

1073
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,040
I think I I think I got first
place in about 45 seconds, but

1074
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,320
it.
Out.

1075
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,400
Oh my God, never mind.
But the Goran though, the Sonic

1076
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,960
the Hedgehog spin attack that
you can do that Riri's referring

1077
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,280
to you're it's a race against
all these other Gorans and

1078
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,320
they're all rolling and they're
all going up boosts and jumps

1079
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,160
and it's so thrilling.
But then that also is my

1080
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,280
favorite boss fight against GOAT
the the big bowl.

1081
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,320
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Yes, that's such a good boss

1082
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,480
fight.
Completely agree, top tier.

1083
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,280
It's in this donut arena with
walls, so it's roller Derby.

1084
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,680
It's you versus the giant bowl.
Roller Derby, fight to the

1085
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,400
death.
That's just a cool sentence.

1086
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,040
That's like a movie Mike would
own.

1087
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,880
Derek, get on that movie.
What you've just described is

1088
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,320
roller ball.
You know that, right?

1089
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,960
I've never seen roller ball but
I've heard legend.

1090
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,800
It's a date, you guys got to
watch it.

1091
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,240
Right, the original or the
remakes that.

1092
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,480
First one, then the represent.
Of jail.

1093
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:02,960
Bit of both.
OK.

1094
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,560
Well, I had a quick mini game
minute, although we still want

1095
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,920
to play it.
Yes, yes, multiple minutes.

1096
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,960
I like your mini game minutes.
I just wanted to do 1.

1097
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:16,720
I like them.
Thank you.

1098
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:17,480
Rhode Island.
Rhode Island.

1099
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,320
So this one's, this one's called
2 Masks and a Lie.

1100
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,400
In this mini game, each player
will list 3 costumes they've

1101
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,280
worn at some point in their
lives, with the caveat that one

1102
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,600
of them is totally fake news,
challenging the others to guess

1103
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,200
which mask is not to be trusted.
Derek, what's yours?

1104
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:39,280
I will say my three are 11 from
Stranger Things.

1105
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:45,480
A literal wall or skulken.
Keeping a Majora's Mask themed

1106
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,400
here.
I feel like Skull Kid.

1107
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,120
I think it's a trap.
I think he wants us to assume he

1108
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,720
must have dressed up as Skull
Kid, but he loves Skull Kid.

1109
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,000
I'm gonna I'm gonna agree cuz
that's I know how much foam work

1110
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,480
that is if he had a skull kid.
I think they sold them.

1111
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,720
OK, never mind.
I think I remember those being

1112
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:08,600
in stores the year this game
came out.

1113
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:10,240
Maybe they.
Were.

1114
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:11,200
Maybe they were?
Maybe they were.

1115
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,920
And then what was the first one
again?

1116
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,680
The first one was 11 from
Stranger Things, Complete and

1117
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,760
with complete with the egos.
Take off your glasses and hat, I

1118
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:23,800
want to see you.
No, I'm kidding.

1119
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,000
I'm.
I'm going to guess he was never

1120
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,480
Skull Kid.
That's my guess.

1121
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,440
I I have to say the same.
I.

1122
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,440
Feel like a Skull Kid costume
would have come up in the past

1123
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,320
and I don't think it has if it
had happened.

1124
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,800
So you're also guessing he never
dressed as Skull Kid.

1125
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,600
I think I'm also going to go
with that.

1126
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,080
All right, Derek.
All right.

1127
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,600
You guys all got it?
Yeah.

1128
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,040
Oh nice.
I was.

1129
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,640
That's too much work, man.
I was like you know what?

1130
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,400
I'll say Skull Kid because I I'm
here.

1131
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,480
I have been in link multiple
times, but I have never been

1132
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,760
Skull Kid.
I was 11 for Halloween in 2016

1133
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:08,000
with a complete with a blonde
wig, a box of egos and a pink

1134
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,440
dress.
I was also a literal wall in a

1135
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,280
production of A Midsummer
Night's Dream.

1136
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,880
None of us, none of us
questioned Wall at all, by the

1137
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,120
way.
You noticed that?

1138
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,320
Yeah, you guys are like there in
the wall.

1139
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,960
Yeah, that's that checks out.
But oh, but in bottoms play.

1140
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,080
Exactly so in the in the.
Wall.

1141
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,520
Yeah, exactly.
Good.

1142
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,000
So that that's it.
So you guys, we're all tied now.

1143
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,320
Everyone has one point.
All right, Mike, you're up.

1144
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,920
All right, I'm choosing to give
4.

1145
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,000
All right, the mushroom.
The Caterpillar from Alice in

1146
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,840
Wonderland sits on from the
Disney's Main Street Electrical

1147
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:48,040
Parade, the square piece from
Tetris, the Lighthouse of

1148
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,320
Alexandria, and the house that
the party was being held in.

1149
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,640
Man, I know one of your costumes
and you didn't pick it.

1150
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,160
This is cheating.
You're giving us an extra 1

1151
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,400
That's harder for us.
I know it, I know, I know my

1152
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,480
boy.
OK, say him again, Mike, please.

1153
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,440
The mushroom the Caterpillar
from Alice in Wonderland sits on

1154
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,000
from Disney's Main Street
Electrical Parade, the

1155
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,120
Lighthouse of Alexandria, the
square piece from Tetris, and

1156
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,920
the house that the party was
being held in.

1157
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,840
That the house thing seems like
some shit Mike would do for

1158
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,960
sure.
A. 100% because he dressed as

1159
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,400
the Hubble Space Telescope one
time at an astronomy party.

1160
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,480
Oh, we know.
He bragged about that on the

1161
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,040
past season.
Amazing.

1162
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,360
I thought he was going to.
I thought for sure I'd have that

1163
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,680
one.
The Rizler.

1164
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,480
And, and the fact that he
specified from the electrical

1165
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,320
parade and not from the movie is
like, OK, so that seems like

1166
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,880
it's that one.
So it's between the Tetris block

1167
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,000
and the library.
Was it the lighthouse of

1168
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,360
Alexandria?
The lighthouse of.

1169
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,520
Alexandria.
I swear I've seen the Tetris 1.

1170
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,240
Yeah, I was leaning towards the
the the lighthouse.

1171
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,000
I I think it's the lighthouse.
That's gonna be my answer.

1172
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,800
I could see, I could see you
just walking around like in a

1173
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,280
tea formation all day.
Yeah, I feel like a lot of

1174
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,040
Mike's costumes are structures
instead of characters.

1175
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,440
Right.
Yeah.

1176
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,680
Though Derek was the wall guy,
I'm.

1177
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,480
Gonna go to the mushroom thing.
All right, Mike, I know you were

1178
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,280
the mushroom.
With working lights.

1179
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,200
I remember.
And music.

1180
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,760
And smoke.
I also remember the lighthouse

1181
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,680
of Alexandria, right?
Yes.

1182
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,120
Yeah, I think you're throwing us
for a loop because I believe you

1183
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,960
were the straight piece from
Tetris, not the square.

1184
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,200
So I'm saying that's the lie.
Yes.

1185
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,120
Wow, that's.
My boy, I almost went with that.

1186
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,720
You just had to give us four and
said.

1187
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,040
Yeah, I couldn't.
I couldn't remember the piece,

1188
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,120
but I was like, I swear he did a
group Tetris thing.

1189
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,120
I think I saw it.
Yeah, just the one I I will Add

1190
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,000
all four of those were based on
Halloween parties, the same

1191
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,200
house.
The house costume was the last

1192
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,520
year they were going to do a
party there.

1193
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,560
Nice.
And so the veranda of the house

1194
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,720
costume has miniature versions
of all the previous costumes.

1195
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:00,520
Oh.
My.

1196
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,320
God, all of your.
Previous costumes.

1197
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,640
All of my previous costumes.
That's pretty great.

1198
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,480
Which there's.
Got to be pictures of this

1199
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,160
somewhere.
Yes, honestly the veranda is

1200
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,920
still like in my apartment
because I didn't have the heart

1201
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,720
to get rid of it.
You got to show it to me

1202
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,840
sometime.
It's like the yeah, like the

1203
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,280
little, the little article float
like lights up on that.

1204
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,960
It's like a cut out and some
lights, like it's not super

1205
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,920
fancy, but they were all
represented there.

1206
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,760
I think I've only ever done 1/1,
at least for the parties there.

1207
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,480
That was like a normal person
costume.

1208
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,000
And then everyone felt like I
cheaped out because they'd

1209
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,520
switched themes late.
And they went from like fairy

1210
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,680
tales, myths and legit and
something to nurse rhymes to

1211
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,400
just legends.
And I went as the host from

1212
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,720
Legends of the Hidden Temple,
which is basically like a shirt

1213
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,640
and cargo shorts and like a
microphone.

1214
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,400
We all wanted to be on that
show.

1215
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:56,560
You're the last one.
All right, OK, so I have been a

1216
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:02,440
cosplayer for a long time, so
I'm gonna Mike was here for lots

1217
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,200
of these.
Mike was living in Nashville.

1218
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,720
So I'm gonna try and and trip
Mike up.

1219
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,160
I think he's gonna get it,
though.

1220
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:15,080
I'm not nearly that confident.
So I love Dragon Con and so

1221
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,880
there's something called Dragon
Con TV that plays in the hotels.

1222
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,560
And so one year I went as a host
from Dragon Con TVA, very

1223
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:28,080
distinctive host.
And then one year I went as

1224
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:33,680
Gandalf, both grey and white
including beards, and one year I

1225
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:40,200
went as Medusa from Soul Leader.
I feel like she's she's a clever

1226
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,960
one, and I think that the whole
like, oh, grey and white.

1227
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,000
I think that was meant to throw
us off the trail.

1228
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,800
I don't think she ever went as
Gandalf because Soul Eater.

1229
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,920
It's it's niche enough that it'd
be weird to her to make that up

1230
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,280
and going as the host.
I think that's also kind of I'm

1231
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,880
guessing the Gandalf is the
fake.

1232
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,040
All right, Derek should go next,
right?

1233
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,560
Sorry, say them again for me one
more time please, A.

1234
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,760
Host from Dragon Con TV which is
a reference to you know, the

1235
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,680
convention.
Dragon Con Medusa from Soul

1236
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,200
Eater which is anime and Gandalf
from Lord of the Rings.

1237
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,720
Gray and white.
Gray and white bit of both.

1238
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,720
I'm just going to take a total
guess here and say Medusa.

1239
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,040
OK, Mike.
I know about her having Gandalf

1240
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,200
costumes.
Dang it.

1241
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,960
Oh yeah.
Of the other two, I think I'm

1242
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,600
going to guess that the Dragon
Con TV thing was a thing that

1243
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,880
you would do.
And so because that just that

1244
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,880
feels very, there was a lot of
back explanation to include

1245
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,960
that.
So I'm going to also guess

1246
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,400
Medusa.
You're all wrong bitches.

1247
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,200
Medusa.
I cosplayed while Mike was here,

1248
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,400
but I wouldn't know if he would
remember that one.

1249
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,800
That was my first group cosplay
was we all did Soul Eater,

1250
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,040
Gandalf the White and Gray.
I made a burlesque act for

1251
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,280
Gandalf Big Naturals, and I
start as Gandalf the Gray and I

1252
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,040
slowly become Gandalf the White.
It's my favorite thing I've ever

1253
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,040
done and I've reprised it at
Dragon Con this last year.

1254
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,400
That was on Instagram, so I was
like, Mike has seen that

1255
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,480
picture.
Season 4 is starting off juicy.

1256
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,040
You'll notice you'll notice
Riri's theme of costumes that

1257
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:24,400
turn people to stone.
And I have never done a DCTV

1258
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,480
cosplay.
I would absolutely love to

1259
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,640
Dragon Con Referential cosplays
are usually a big hit at dragon.

1260
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,520
It's my favorite convention in
the whole.

1261
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,120
I think I just got that joke
Mike made.

1262
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,760
Well, that means that I am the
winner. 2 points.

1263
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,480
Gigi's.
That was fun.

1264
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,080
Gigi for me.
If you guys are interested I did

1265
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,920
just in our our our discord
chat.

1266
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,040
Dropped my costumes.
I guess I better.

1267
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,720
My gosh.
I better I better show J MO big

1268
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:59,840
naturals because it was a hit.
Well, you know what's not a hit?

1269
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,920
The joy cons of Majora's Mask.
It's not perfect.

1270
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,640
So I feel like Mike has some
things that he's got to get off

1271
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:10,760
his chest or anyway.
Some big naturals.

1272
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,440
Mike, take it away, please.
I think I have two main issues

1273
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,040
with this.
The first is like operating of

1274
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,400
Time.
What I enjoyed a lot was the

1275
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:24,640
exploration puzzle parts.
And I think with Majora's Mask,

1276
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,120
I felt like I was having to do a
lot more platforming that I do

1277
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:34,120
not like with how this handles.
And I think the time cycle

1278
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,200
really clashes with a
significant portion of sort of

1279
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,480
the trying to work through
puzzles with the amount of stuff

1280
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,720
that just resets.
And so there's I think for me, a

1281
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,920
lot was frustrating to finally
figure something out, but figure

1282
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,360
out it out without enough time
to do anything.

1283
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,040
And while in town with a lot of
those quests, you have that

1284
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,040
notebook of figure out what you
want to be doing.

1285
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,320
A lot of the game writ large,
there wasn't sort of a OK, I

1286
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,880
figured this out and it's
tracked it would be OK.

1287
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,360
I did all these things.
Which ones were right things?

1288
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:15,640
And so I think overall, for me,
the time constraint really

1289
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,320
impeded sort of it going through
the game at a pace that I was

1290
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,120
enjoying.
But you guys said there was like

1291
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,600
a notebook that would keep track
of how you've influenced the

1292
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:24,600
town.
I never found it.

1293
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,040
Really.
He never did the Bombers

1294
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:26,840
notebook.
It's the one of the.

1295
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,160
First things you get it's.
The first thing you ever do?

1296
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,640
He never came out of the
bomber's hideout as regular

1297
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,360
Link.
He only came out as Deku Link.

1298
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,240
Yeah, that's exactly how you
skip that.

1299
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,200
Yeah, cuz if you just talk to
the bombers again.

1300
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:41,960
Wait, that that's how you get
that.

1301
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,640
You get the notebook that keeps
track of everyone you've helped.

1302
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,000
And it's permanent.
If you do it once, it's done

1303
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,640
forever in the notebook, no
matter how many times you

1304
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,000
restart your cycle.
I had to or.

1305
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,840
I.
Had to redo that stupid find the

1306
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,800
bombers thing and then just like
switch to human at the end.

1307
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,400
Yep, that's a very valid way to
do it.

1308
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,800
I just.
But I think that does support

1309
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,840
Mike's assertion that some of
the logic in this game is kind

1310
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,560
of convoluted or like a term you
taught me.

1311
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,440
It's kind of moon logic.
Sometimes, you know, there's

1312
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,800
certain things like, oh, this
will only happen if you look a

1313
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,720
certain way, but there's no real
indication of how you should be

1314
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,840
looking and what mask you should
be wearing.

1315
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,120
There is one part later in the
game where you have to let an

1316
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,760
enemy grab you so that it tosses
you out onto a platform.

1317
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,760
Don't tell the other.
The what?

1318
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,200
So don't tell the other.
Don't.

1319
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:39,600
Don't Tossmer.
Yeah, but like, but, you know,

1320
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,360
the whole game you're trying not
to get grabbed by these freaking

1321
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,440
things all but this one time.
That's how you solve the puzzle.

1322
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,360
Kind of clever, sure, but also
kind of annoying.

1323
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,800
The light puzzle.
Derek, reread this.

1324
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,120
Wrinkles my brain because that
is not how physics work.

1325
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,520
You know this.
Is a fantasy world.

1326
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,200
JK Light still follows the laws
of this.

1327
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,080
Is the guy who was saying, well,
you know, don't think about the

1328
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,320
rules of Fred Claus.
It's too much.

1329
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:11,760
It's a fantasy world.
Previous podcasts against this

1330
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,320
man.
OK, sorry, I just thought the

1331
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,560
mirrors were MM.
You're a scientist.

1332
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,120
OK, Yeah.
Optics labs were a pain in the

1333
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,960
neck, right?
They always are.

1334
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,840
Yeah.
So this one, light, light don't

1335
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:27,640
light.
Don't do that.

1336
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,880
Light don't.
OK, it does not do it in the

1337
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:35,399
real world, but the logic in the
game is consistent and the rules

1338
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:37,240
in the game is are consistent
about.

1339
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,760
That's the way light works in
the game.

1340
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:43,720
So Mike, this puzzle, you have
to shine the light right at the

1341
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,920
mirror for like let's say 10
seconds, and then the light will

1342
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,920
continue to shine out of the
mirror for 10 seconds.

1343
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,359
You're charging the mirror with
light.

1344
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:53,720
You're.
Charging the mirror or there's

1345
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,279
like, there's some weird delay
that happens and then you have

1346
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,920
to run into the path of the
reflection you just made to then

1347
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:01,359
point it to a different
direction.

1348
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,439
And you're basically kind of
tossing light back and forth,

1349
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,399
which sounds cool, but I was
just like, I don't know, to me,

1350
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,520
a really good Zelda puzzle, it
like feels obvious once you

1351
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,080
figure it out.
And I was like, that was a

1352
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,319
little weird because I wouldn't
think to try that.

1353
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,600
But it teaches you right before
that.

1354
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,080
I feel like I I naturally did
that because my hands just

1355
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,720
aren't that steady, right?
I'm a very lackadaisical

1356
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,680
platformer.
I will get grabbed and tossed

1357
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,160
and go, oh, I needed that,
thanks.

1358
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:30,080
Or an enemy will hit me right up
onto the platform I was trying

1359
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,560
to get on.
Oh, thanks, Octre Ruck.

1360
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,040
I needed that boost.
You know what I mean?

1361
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:37,840
So this like I just noticed it,
it had it lingered right?

1362
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,080
And exactly, yeah, it can go
catch it.

1363
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,120
I'll start this issue at a much
more base level.

1364
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,840
One of the very early things you
have to do is get one of the is

1365
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:53,359
like, go into this version's
Lost Woods and find one of the

1366
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:56,480
the.
Either kome.

1367
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,000
Kome I think is her name.
Right.

1368
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,520
Yeah, and.
Kotake, Kotake.

1369
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,800
And so here's how this work for
me is like when I got down there

1370
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,320
and, you know, I get down there
in time to see one of them fly

1371
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,640
off and find that she's looking
for the other and then follow

1372
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,320
that monkey and find the one
that's crashed.

1373
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,960
I was like, oh, do you have
anything that can help me?

1374
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:17,760
And I was like, well, I have a
song of healing and you seem

1375
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,440
hurt.
That doesn't work.

1376
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,680
And it's like, OK, now I need to
get something else.

1377
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,520
And so I go back to the potion
shop and there's just a note

1378
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,840
saying like, Nope, we're off in
the off in the woods.

1379
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,880
You the the the timing was wrong
on that mic you had to go on day

1380
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,920
one.
Yeah, that's what I found out

1381
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,920
eventually.
I'm so sorry that's happening.

1382
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,880
This game is figuring out
people's schedules.

1383
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,560
And I think I didn't even
realize you that it because I've

1384
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,720
always gone on day one.
I didn't even realize I've.

1385
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,560
Done.
Oh, I've absolutely done that.

1386
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,160
Been like oh shit I lost track
of time.

1387
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,320
And it hit this thing where it's
like I I feel like I'm looking

1388
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,200
at what I have to work with and
doing what it's indicating to me

1389
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:57,360
to do and it's not working.
The the what gets me though is

1390
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,640
is not the puzzle solution, it's
actually giving her the potion

1391
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:05,000
because Ocarina trains you to
hold the button right and so you

1392
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,720
you get to her and then you
drink the potion in front of her

1393
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,680
and you go fuck.
Which is, which is legitimately

1394
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,400
a funny thing and has become a
meme at this point that you

1395
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:15,280
drink it in front of.
Her.

1396
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,880
Everybody does it, yeah.
I did it as a kid, yeah.

1397
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:23,360
I I did it last week, yeah, in
that same category of using a

1398
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,480
thing.
And this is, was also

1399
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:28,480
frustrating is like, I won that
race despite my frustration that

1400
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,440
at the end of the race, it
should really tell you what your

1401
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:34,880
place was and or your time.
Because if you're focused on

1402
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,480
racing and as soon as it's done,
any information about how you

1403
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:40,960
did goes away.
So it's not like, oh, I'm

1404
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,320
getting faster.
So this is working.

1405
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,200
It's just like, I don't know
what happened, but I get this

1406
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,640
gold dust and I had already
melted out a forge and like, Oh

1407
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,160
yeah, if you bring some gold
dust, we can make your sword.

1408
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,160
Like we can upgrade your sword
permanently.

1409
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:57,920
So I'm like, I got a sword.
I have gold dust.

1410
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,280
This ought to work great.
I have no idea what I'm supposed

1411
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:02,760
to do with that because I went
back to them.

1412
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,880
You have to upgrade the sword
one time on day one, come back

1413
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,200
on day 2 with the gold dust and
they'll upgrade it permanently.

1414
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,760
You have to come back day three
to get the permanent upgrade.

1415
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,200
You have to.
You have to have planned that

1416
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,120
out and brought them the sword
day one.

1417
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,840
Then go Gore on race then give
them the gold.

1418
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,520
Dust, if they'd indicated, like,
we can upgrade that sword with

1419
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,280
gold dust instead.
It just, it never gave me an

1420
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,720
indication of what was wrong.
It made it seem like I couldn't

1421
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,400
figure out the correct way to
give them the gold dust.

1422
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,160
And then I spent ₹100 on an
upgrade I didn't want, thinking

1423
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,800
that, well, maybe if I say yes,
they will take that and the gold

1424
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,880
dust at the same time, no.
That was also the one point

1425
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,920
where like the time loop
mechanic annoyed me is that I

1426
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,800
defeated Goat, the boss of that
area.

1427
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,120
So I turned off the Blizzard and
now the shop is open, but I

1428
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:02,040
didn't have enough time to do
the sword upgrades and so I had

1429
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,880
to reset time using the Song of
Time.

1430
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,520
But now I have to fight the boss
again.

1431
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:10,080
Now mercifully, they did think
to put a warp from the beginning

1432
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,960
of the dungeon to the boss
fight.

1433
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,240
So if that happens, you're at
least not doing the whole

1434
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,120
dungeon again.
But I was just like, I just beat

1435
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,560
this boss and now I'm doing it
again due to something that

1436
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,600
doesn't feel like it was in my
control.

1437
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:24,440
I didn't.
I felt like I was punished for

1438
01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:26,360
something that I didn't do
wrong.

1439
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:28,760
Does that make sense?
What or why were you having to

1440
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,720
fight the boss again?
Because when I reset time, the

1441
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,720
Blizzard came back.
You can't do Goron races if it's

1442
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,360
not spring.
Right.

1443
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,520
So it has to and the only way to
get Spring is to defeat Goat.

1444
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,800
So you kill the giant bull that
turns off the Blizzard, which

1445
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,920
then left the shop open.
And of course, if you go back in

1446
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,120
time with gold dust in a bottle,
it just poops.

1447
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,800
Yeah.
Yeah, so that don't work.

1448
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,760
But that should though cuz like
every other item doesn't.

1449
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,280
Well, I guess you're no.
No fairies.

1450
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,560
Yeah, fairies poof out of
bottles.

1451
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,400
Yeah, yeah, there's very limited
things that don't poof.

1452
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,680
It's like the permanent items.
Yeah, your pictures are gone

1453
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,560
which really pissed me off.
I didn't realize the pictures

1454
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:07,800
deleted.
Yeah.

1455
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:12,080
So there's just so much of that,
of the, you know, which things

1456
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,360
do or don't stick around.
That's a learning curve.

1457
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:20,480
Was very frustrating and the the
idea that OK so unique items

1458
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:25,600
don't stick around but my
certification to carry a powder

1459
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,200
keg does.
Small keys.

1460
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,160
The first time you see a small
keys fly out, you're like.

1461
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:37,080
And it made it so hard when I
had to redo dungeons because the

1462
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:42,280
dungeons usually are very well
designed with the sense of you

1463
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:46,040
kind of go through like, OK,
I've gone through these rooms

1464
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:47,680
and done what I can do in these
rooms.

1465
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,200
And I have to figure out where
is there a thing I could do in a

1466
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:54,160
room that I haven't done yet?
And when it got to this game, I

1467
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,200
had to go back in and be like,
OK, which things did I do?

1468
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:01,040
Do I still need to redo?
And which things do I not?

1469
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,600
Yeah.
That's harder to keep track of.

1470
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:05,280
Yeah.
And I think I found like I found

1471
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,000
I had to go like, OK, don't use
do anything with fire arrows

1472
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:14,040
until I would go into that room
for the fire arrows and just

1473
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,280
fully redo everything because it
did.

1474
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,800
Just there wasn't that sense of
it almost was.

1475
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,680
It was harder that it went back
in and still remembered parts of

1476
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,440
what I had done than if it
didn't remember anything.

1477
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,640
I get that.
It's like seed bleed in a

1478
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,120
randomizer where you forget did
I do that question and where was

1479
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,880
that the last time I played a
randomizer We call it seed

1480
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,640
bleed.
This has the little bit of that

1481
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,440
effect, but it's the rogue light
thing where you know you have to

1482
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:43,120
do it again and again and again,
which is so popular these days.

1483
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,520
Yeah, it's around, but at least
with some variation.

1484
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,840
I did at one point write worst
rogue light like Darren.

1485
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,120
And.
Then cross that out because I

1486
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,800
was like, I don't because it's
like, well, it's not.

1487
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,200
It's that there's no randomness.
Like I would almost welcome the

1488
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,640
randomness because at least then
it would be like, OK, I'm

1489
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:00,440
failing.
I'm failing.

1490
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,720
I'm expectedly lucky on this
round.

1491
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,760
So, Derek, is there anything you
don't like about the game?

1492
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,160
I also worth I was to say a lot
of the things you guys don't

1493
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,360
like are things that work for
me, like the like, you know, all

1494
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,920
that rogue light stuff, the
difficulty, the the three day

1495
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,040
cycle and having to manage so
much stuff is all things that I

1496
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:23,480
like a lot because it just makes
me think about the game so much

1497
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:24,800
more.
Really have to like work

1498
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,240
everything out.
I will say though, and you know

1499
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,400
this Jamo, there is one boss
battle in this that I strongly

1500
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,160
dislike.
Is it guy or it's gotta be guy

1501
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,040
org?
Yes, guy org.

1502
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,440
Guy org sucks.
My God, I had three fairies.

1503
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:43,240
That's how I beat him.
It's really just like a really

1504
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:48,960
brutal battle and it's not fun
either.

1505
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,600
It's like what you talking
about, you know GOAT and how fun

1506
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,120
that is because you're using the
Goran mechanic to such a great

1507
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,000
effect, whereas you're not like
you stabbed the the fact that

1508
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,320
you had to turn into Azure and
go back on the thing feels like

1509
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,600
almost a punishment instead of a
fun thing.

1510
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,680
That's the one part of the game
that I don't love and another

1511
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:10,080
joy con I have is actually not
of this game, but it's of the 3D

1512
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,800
remake, which I think is really
bad.

1513
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,160
I have a bit I have because you
talked about the links awakening

1514
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,440
3D remake and how you know there
was.

1515
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,760
I still prefer the old one, but
there's it's a lot to love in

1516
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,160
that new one.
This just kind of takes it and

1517
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:27,160
makes changes things just to
change them all of the time to

1518
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,000
and makes them actively worse.
All of the bosses are like weird

1519
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,360
and like have like big majora
eyeballs that come out of the

1520
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,120
back of their head.
Now they're just like here's the

1521
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,040
weak point and it's a lot
easier.

1522
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,080
So it takes out that kind of
like difficulty curve that I was

1523
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,400
talking about and also stuff
like the Zorro swimming, which

1524
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,320
we talked about how good it is.
It's so nerfed that the deco

1525
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,640
hopping is like weird and it
doesn't work anymore.

1526
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,800
Like it's and things aren't
spaced out right anymore because

1527
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,400
they made the like little
running thing.

1528
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:58,160
So the three day remake, I will
say for the 3DS, I think 2015 it

1529
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:02,200
came out is pretty bad.
But other than that, I'd say

1530
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,920
Jorg is in the actual N64 game
is the only thing that I

1531
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,240
actively dislike about it.
Since you brought up the bosses

1532
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,400
and like how are you supposed to
beat the first boss?

1533
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,720
And that, that's what I love
about that first boss, is you

1534
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,600
just beat him any way you can.
Yeah, you wail on him until he

1535
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,520
shuts up.
Yeah, you can throw bombs, you

1536
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,720
can do Deku stuff, you can just
tack and slash.

1537
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,440
He he sets you up to think like
you're going to have a cycle or

1538
01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:30,680
a sequence or a way to do it,
and it's like, that's not true

1539
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:31,200
at all.
Right.

1540
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:32,760
You just got to fight this guy,
you know?

1541
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,280
OK.
But I like that though because

1542
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:39,600
like I felt like I'm expecting
this pattern thing and it's

1543
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,520
like.
Never materializes.

1544
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,360
For him, it just feels like a
full on slugfest.

1545
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,720
And then you know, the the giant
twin mold fight where you put on

1546
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,600
the giant mask and become Kaiju
link for that one boss fight.

1547
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,200
It's gimmicky, but it's it's
it's cool.

1548
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,120
It's just.
Twin molds after guy org.

1549
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,960
Everything's better.
Yeah, almighty.

1550
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,800
Is there any way to do that
fight with taking no damage?

1551
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,920
Like surely somebody's figured
it out, but Oh my God, I just, I

1552
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,600
tank it.
That's the only way I can do it.

1553
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,200
Tank it with the the electric
attack underwater.

1554
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,680
Yeah, that that's it.
You have to hit the fish and

1555
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,400
then jump down and attack it
while it's stunned underwater.

1556
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,920
But like, there is some moments
of tension where you're on the

1557
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,560
platform and it's ramming the
sides and it's trying to knock

1558
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,520
you into the water kind of Jaws
style.

1559
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,360
And you climb up so slow, and
half the time he snatches you

1560
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,000
right as you're climbing up and
you're like, no.

1561
01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:34,520
And he does so much damage.
Oh, he chews you up like you're

1562
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:36,480
candy.
God Almighty.

1563
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,680
So I have a joy con and I think
it's gonna make Derek vomit

1564
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:44,120
blood probably.
But I I just, I do feel like the

1565
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,320
ending of the game.
I was a little underwhelmed

1566
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:51,000
because like, spoiler alert, but
you fight Majora's Mask.

1567
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,840
It's like a flying version of
the mask, right?

1568
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:57,960
And I was certain that there was
going to be an element of time

1569
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,400
in this final battle.
I thought for sure they're going

1570
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:02,640
to be like, oh, the song of time
doesn't work anymore.

1571
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,240
You've got 6 minutes to take
this thing down.

1572
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,080
But you know, the game removes
time limits during the boss

1573
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,120
fight.
And I was like, I kind of had

1574
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,920
wished I'm just reminded an
ocarina of time when Navi's

1575
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,040
like, I can't help you, sorry,
and you're denied Z targeting

1576
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,840
and you're like, oh crap, this
thing I've been relying on is

1577
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,480
gone.
I missed that moment in the

1578
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:25,080
Majora fight.
I'm gonna bet you didn't,

1579
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,000
because I'm gonna bet you
rewinded that sucker.

1580
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,240
If you're just straight up
fighting this guy like you're

1581
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,880
supposed to, OK, it's a fight.
OK, but is it?

1582
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,280
It's not as interesting as the
Gannon fight.

1583
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:42,960
I would say it it it messes with
you because it's 3 distinct

1584
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,520
phases, the easiest of which by
far is the middle.

1585
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:47,600
Yeah, Ray, Just Dance is kind of
creepy.

1586
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,000
So weird.
I do like that it is obvious

1587
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,000
that the mask was the problem
and not Skull Kid.

1588
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:58,160
Whereas all of your masks are,
you have full control over them,

1589
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,560
right?
It's implied that the mask is

1590
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,840
controlling Skull Kid here and
that's the evil.

1591
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,080
So it's like in that way it's
narratively satisfying.

1592
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:08,440
That's all I'm going to give it
though, because it's weird as

1593
01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:11,640
hell, yeah, and and not fun
unless you're Fierce Deity.

1594
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,640
Yeah, the vibes it, I think it's
a relatively tough fight and I

1595
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,760
think the vibes, like we said,
are are pretty on point.

1596
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:23,560
Like it starts off like very
ominous and then it gets weird

1597
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,320
and then it gets like kind of
freak, like just like, oh shit,

1598
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,000
like it's really on.
So I like the three stages, all

1599
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,240
kind of mirror like your
experience playing Mature's

1600
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,160
Mass.
OK, I could see that.

1601
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,800
I could see it.
And then also, Full disclosure,

1602
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,520
you know, the end of the game
was spoiled by the Smash

1603
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,720
Brothers stage.
I was, I was.

1604
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,400
When I got to Great Bay, I was
like, oh, I know that built.

1605
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,960
This is a I'm gonna look up
pictures of that Smash Brothers

1606
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:50,800
stage.
Oh my God.

1607
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,760
There's the end of the game
right there in the background.

1608
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:54,760
I.
Felt such a soft spot for the

1609
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,440
oath of order though and seeing
that like I hear the oath of

1610
01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:01,760
order in my head, I can't not.
And Jamie, I will say, as

1611
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,360
someone who beat Majora's Mask
and then four years later played

1612
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:10,440
Super Smash, to see that happen
in the background, I lost my

1613
01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:12,200
fucking mind.
That was the coolest thing I've

1614
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:15,760
ever seen.
Yeah, and also, let's just admit

1615
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:19,440
that the moon, the inside of the
moon, being an empty field with

1616
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:22,000
one tree.
That's anime AF right?

1617
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,520
Yes, it is.
The Isakai vibes were strong,

1618
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:26,960
right?
I mean, this is an Isakai,

1619
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,240
right?
I think we can all agree.

1620
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,560
So they really drove that home
here.

1621
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,000
And it is.
Here's another piece of trivia

1622
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:37,120
for you guys.
It is very directly inspired by

1623
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:42,600
Battleship Yamato, a anime from
the 70s where they go off to

1624
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,880
like a planet that is going to
like that's going to crash into

1625
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:46,680
the Earth or something like
that.

1626
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,040
It's and they like see a
landscape that looks quite a lot

1627
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,160
like there's this intense thing
and they get to the planet and

1628
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,200
it looks a lot like this.
They drew on that heavily.

1629
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,040
Here I was going to accuse
accuse them of being derivative

1630
01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:59,680
of the Star Wars Expanded
Universe.

1631
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,680
I knew you were going to talk
about the moon crashing in a

1632
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:03,000
Chewbacca.
I just knew it.

1633
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:06,320
Which was a year before this
game.

1634
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,200
I mean, that's a dope way to
die.

1635
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,680
So the only.
Thing that could kill Chewbacca

1636
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,040
is a whole ass moon.
You know, he goes out yelling at

1637
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,880
the moon as it's coming in.
That's.

1638
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,480
Hell yeah.
Metal was hell.

1639
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,720
It was mostly rock.
Yeah.

1640
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,160
All right.
OK, here's something you can't

1641
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,680
argue with.
OK the sub quest where you sell

1642
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,000
pictures of the girl to the
voyeur.

1643
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,480
And you sell a pirate picture to
another guy too.

1644
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,600
A lot of great creeps in this
game.

1645
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:38,440
Lot of flat great dudes. 100%
there is.

1646
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:42,320
Like the the even the bomb shop
salesman creeps me out.

1647
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:48,560
Man, the great fairies are just
as suggestive and uncomfortable

1648
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,640
as an ocarina.
What happens with the fairies if

1649
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,880
you actually get all the smaller
fairies from something?

1650
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,400
They boost your powers where you
get more magic.

1651
01:23:58,440 --> 01:24:00,560
You get you get like the spin
attack for the first one.

1652
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,640
You get double magic for the
second one.

1653
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,720
The third one is you get your
hearts are you have like twice

1654
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,920
as much health like you would
get hit for half as much.

1655
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,720
Double defense is what we call
it.

1656
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,560
Double, yeah.
And then the third one is you

1657
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,000
get the Great Fairy Sword.
That's what I didn't learn until

1658
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,640
the final fight, that if you if
you drink milk, you have

1659
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,680
unlimited magic for a day.
I was like, Dang it, that would

1660
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,080
have been.
Helpful this whole game,

1661
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:23,640
Chateau.
Romani.

1662
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,400
Yes.
You got to get the the cow mask

1663
01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:28,680
first.
Like I, I wish that the like

1664
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,960
that's what the fairies had felt
slightly more obtainable because

1665
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,240
it was just so many it's.
Hard 15?

1666
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:36,600
That's tough.
It's tough, It's tough.

1667
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,280
An all in one cycle, right?
You don't keep it.

1668
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,400
I never did that before doing it
for this this, you know, most

1669
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:43,840
recent playthrough.
Yeah.

1670
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:48,200
And I think the last bit is just
dialogue that I can't get out of

1671
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,200
was so frustrating in situations
where it's like, because so much

1672
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,000
of of this is like, go talk to
people.

1673
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,040
I want the ability to bail out
of those conversations and not

1674
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,000
be like, well, maybe if I talk
to these the jugglers with this

1675
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,440
map.
Nope, It's the same bad joke.

1676
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:02,960
I don't want the same bad joke.
I've heard this.

1677
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,920
I've heard this so many times.
Well you can just hold B and it

1678
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,600
it goes through it quick.
First time dialogue.

1679
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,600
A lot of dialogue will go faster
if you hold down fee.

1680
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,200
Not all of it, which I
unfortunately always do when I'm

1681
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,840
trying to go to the bank and
then I accidentally deposit zero

1682
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,440
and I have to do it again.
That one should just let you

1683
01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:22,120
deposit like if you put in like
900 and you have less, it

1684
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,280
shouldn't be like you're trying
to scam me.

1685
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,240
It should just be like you want
to just deposit everything you

1686
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,480
have, not have to enter a three
digit number.

1687
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,520
But he was so happy when you
deposited money.

1688
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,520
I really love doing.
That I can't stand how many

1689
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,200
lines of pointless dialogue
there is, though there should be

1690
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,520
two at most.
Is there?

1691
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:46,600
He's like, oh, let me check so.
Is there a theory for why the

1692
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:51,600
Zelda banker remembers you?
I think that's so interesting.

1693
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,640
The stamp.
Oh, he.

1694
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,800
Stamps your head the very first
interaction he gives you.

1695
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:57,960
See, that's what he's doing.
He's leaning over to check your

1696
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,520
stamp.
He's like, put some invisible

1697
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,520
ink on you.
Yeah, like he can see.

1698
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,880
In the time thing, I'm also
gonna say that like when you do

1699
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:08,400
the mask there, I guess.
Like what?

1700
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:13,280
Like the transformation masks?
Those should do the creepy

1701
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,280
torture animation the first
time.

1702
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,600
You can skip it.
You can skip it.

1703
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,840
I did show him, yeah.
I had to get told and it's

1704
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,760
otherwise obnoxious and it's
like you could just do this once

1705
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,640
and then never make me watch
that again, or do it once to

1706
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,360
change to wants to change back
and not have to do it again and

1707
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,600
not make it be a thing I have
to.

1708
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,960
I can't imagine anyone who knows
that they can skip that and not

1709
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,600
skipping it every time, which
tells me it's no longer

1710
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,320
necessary after like the first
time.

1711
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:43,320
Fair.
Good.

1712
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:45,560
That's a good joy con.
I agree.

1713
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,080
Yeah, but I skip it.
I skip it every time, you know,

1714
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,280
I just hit a, you know, so.
It's yeah, I'm an impatient

1715
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,200
gamer and I was stamming the
button anyway, which is why I

1716
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,280
always say but.
I I do like that body horror

1717
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:55,520
element of it.
You know, it's almost like

1718
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,800
Anamorphs when they would
transform into the like the

1719
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,720
animals and they would just be
this creepy David or David

1720
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,640
Cronenberg thing, you know?
Yeah, the the game makes it very

1721
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,600
clear these are dead people.
You know the first mask.

1722
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:11,240
You didn't like it enough to
watch it every time, That's my

1723
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:12,680
point.
Yeah, no, I didn't.

1724
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,400
I just fully skipped it.
And that's why I'm glad you can

1725
01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:16,600
skip it.
Yeah, what I'm saying is I

1726
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:20,600
thought it was really neat the
first time, but it shouldn't be

1727
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:21,520
a.
You have to find out.

1728
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:22,560
You can skip it.
It should just be.

1729
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,200
Don't do it again.
Yeah, but it's not like it's

1730
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:25,680
tough.
You just hit a, you know, It's

1731
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,640
not some crazy, you know?
You can even just hit the the

1732
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:32,240
same button you put the mask on.
Yeah, which is what I do because

1733
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,200
I'm impatient.
It is crazy, though, that like

1734
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,440
the game makes it so clear.
These are dead people spirit

1735
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:41,000
imbued in a mask.
The first one, it doesn't.

1736
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,320
It's not obvious, but there's.
Fun.

1737
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:46,920
It's not directly told, but no.
But if you if you do.

1738
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,400
That very clear.
Yeah, you do.

1739
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:50,880
No.
I don't think it's clear at all

1740
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,080
until you do the Butler race and
he's like, you look kind of like

1741
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:54,760
my son.
And then you put together, yeah,

1742
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,440
there was that weird tree that
got pointed out.

1743
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,440
And then the second mask is a
ghost, right?

1744
01:28:00,440 --> 01:28:02,760
And he, you watch the ghost
become a mask, you watch the

1745
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,520
Laura die, and then you get a
mask.

1746
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:08,120
And then you have to think
about, oh shit, I was a dead

1747
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,720
Deku that whole time.
That's fucked up.

1748
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:12,960
Yeah, he's like, you look like
my son and then you see, and

1749
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,040
then in the credits too.
Yeah, if you do the Butler

1750
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,680
thing, you see him crying by
that thing.

1751
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:20,800
So that's.
Like get him dirty.

1752
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,520
He gets no happy ending because
he that happened prior to the

1753
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:28,120
first song of time.
Yeah, it's so that moment is so

1754
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:29,280
sad.
And it's one of those things in

1755
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,720
the credits too, though, like if
you don't go off and do his

1756
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,480
little side quest, you get
robbed of that really powerful

1757
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:36,240
moment.
I never clocked that.

1758
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,240
Oh, this is also a dead mask
thing.

1759
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:41,960
Yeah, but I mean, the the
further you get in the game, the

1760
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,360
more obvious it is because it's
like, oh, you're this Goron

1761
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,080
warrior that everyone was sure
was dead.

1762
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,000
Hey, you're back.
And then they'll re re mention

1763
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,880
the Zora body.
That was really brutal.

1764
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,600
You bury him, You you witness
his last words, which is a

1765
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,640
weird, weird, totally weird
song.

1766
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,240
By.
The way he rocks too hard, he

1767
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,680
rocks himself to death on the
beach and then you see a

1768
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,280
skeleton, but it can still talk
to you.

1769
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,920
That I've seen in a movie.
Weird.

1770
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,920
Turned out to be the band Wasp.
All right guys, well before we

1771
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,720
get to our rating, let's do
another segment of Rankin Retro

1772
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,960
where we are ranking every game
in the Zelda series covered thus

1773
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:21,040
far in the old switcheroo.
So far, the rankings are as

1774
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,240
follows.
We've got Ocarina on top,

1775
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,120
followed by Lynx Awakening, A
Link to the Past, Legend of

1776
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:30,920
Zelda 4 Swords, Legend of Zelda
on NES, and My Boy Zelda 2.

1777
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:35,760
Bring it up the rear so
panelists raise your hand and

1778
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,440
keep it raised.
If you think that Majora's Mask

1779
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:40,800
is better than Zelda 2, all
right, That's everybody.

1780
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,440
Everyone in the.
Entire world I.

1781
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:46,960
Think even me.
Raise your hand if you think

1782
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,880
Majora's Mask is better than the
original Zelda on the NES.

1783
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,440
OK, better than Four Swords.
All right, that's still the

1784
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:54,920
three of us.
Derek, me and Rhode Island.

1785
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,880
Rhode Island.
Then we got linked to the past.

1786
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:00,600
Better than Link's Awakening.
OK, I'm looking at you.

1787
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,960
Derrick Carter revealed he
thinks it's the best game of all

1788
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,720
time.
All right, if you think it's

1789
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:09,040
better than Ocarina of Time,
Dang, we didn't lose anybody.

1790
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:13,640
We are in complete consensus.
The official old switcheroo best

1791
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:17,320
Zelda game so far is Majora's
Mask.

1792
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,480
Very, very cool.
I'm very excited for that and I

1793
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:25,320
think it's well deserved.
So I think guys, with that,

1794
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,320
we're going to call this game
over for today.

1795
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:32,600
Let's declare the game as a
Nintendo or a Nintendo don't.

1796
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:35,280
Let's start with Rhode Island.
Rhode Island.

1797
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:42,880
It's 100% Nintendo for me if you
want to see where so much Zelda

1798
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:47,040
comes from and and the story
behind this game is just as

1799
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:50,160
impressive as the game itself.
It's it's really a story of

1800
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:55,760
limitations can sometimes make
for better art than unlimited

1801
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,400
resources, right?
They had one year to make this

1802
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:03,040
game and somehow the reuse of
assets enhanced it.

1803
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,480
It made it more narratively
fascinating.

1804
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,200
It it fits in the category of
games as art, right, For the

1805
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:14,320
context that it falls in, and
I'll never get away from that.

1806
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,920
Although ironically, I think
it's Miyamoto who said a rushed

1807
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:21,840
game is a bad game forever.
Yeah, it's a delayed game, but

1808
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:26,960
ironically Majora a rushed game.
Absolutely legendary though.

1809
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,800
So is it a Nintendo 64 in your
mind you?

1810
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:36,320
Know, I think, I think so.
I think it's a Nintendo 64

1811
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:41,960
purely because it is iconic.
It is exceptional.

1812
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,480
It is Ocarina but better.
OK.

1813
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,120
But I think Mike would disagree
with you.

1814
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:51,720
Mike, can we go to you next?
Yeah, so I think with there's

1815
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:56,680
parts in this where I kind of
keep wanting to like this, like

1816
01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:00,000
a lot of stuff that's the story
quests around town and all that,

1817
01:32:00,440 --> 01:32:03,080
that there's something there
that I want more of that.

1818
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:07,320
And I kind of feel like the way
it handles time, not that it has

1819
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,640
the time, but like the way it
handles it and the amount that

1820
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:14,640
directs into things like
platforming and what I think are

1821
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:18,680
poor directions rather than just
puzzles.

1822
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:24,480
Like ultimately, like it was
always not fun as I was for me,

1823
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:28,080
as I was trying to push through.
Like I didn't have the as much

1824
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,920
of an exploration sense that
like the parts that I liked of

1825
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:34,760
Ocarina of Time kind of kept
having the brakes slammed on it.

1826
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:36,920
Yeah.
And so I think for me, it's a

1827
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,400
Nintendo.
Well, Mike, we learned from the

1828
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,960
to re re tarot reading that you
just want to be understood, and

1829
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,640
I disagree, but I understand
you.

1830
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,400
And I and I will add like kill
for warned us.

1831
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,840
It's like there's a bear that
this can be a somewhat divisive

1832
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:55,360
game in some regards.
And I've seen a couple other

1833
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,800
things in the last weeks,
coincidentally, of people kind

1834
01:32:57,800 --> 01:32:59,280
of thing that same thing.
Like, yeah, I don't actually

1835
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:03,960
like it because that loses what
made the previous one fun.

1836
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,320
Like to me, I put it like, I
think Links Awakening and Link

1837
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,280
to the Past are probably my
favorites are the ones we

1838
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,520
played.
Yeah, you're a 2D top down boy.

1839
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,400
Top down boy and.
I appreciate the hell out of you

1840
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,840
for that.
Well, Derek, need it be said?

1841
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:24,240
I mean is Nintendo Wii a
category like cuz I would jump

1842
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,280
straight over Game 2.
You know like honestly, you know

1843
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,320
I already sold you guys.
This is my favorite game of all

1844
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,560
time, right?
I think that it it takes one of

1845
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,000
the greatest games of all time,
The Legend of Zealot Green of

1846
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,480
Time, and takes it to the next
level.

1847
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:42,520
It just takes these, that game's
bones, quite literally.

1848
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:46,640
It's using its assets and
reworks them in such a

1849
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:50,560
fascinating, interesting way.
Like RE said, this game only

1850
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,040
exists because of the
limitations that I'm no way like

1851
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,120
advocating for crunch or saying
that was a good thing.

1852
01:33:55,320 --> 01:34:00,040
But in this situation, because
of this, these limitations that

1853
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,920
were imposed on them, they had
to find a way to make great art.

1854
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:07,880
It's like the shark in jaws when
you don't because the the shark

1855
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:09,520
wouldn't work because you
couldn't see the shark.

1856
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,480
It made it so much better and
they had them having this

1857
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,960
smaller, you know, time to make
the game force them to make the

1858
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:21,200
time loop the whole 3 day cycle
to make all like reusing all the

1859
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:24,480
characters.
It it makes takes everything

1860
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:26,760
from that first game and
elevates it.

1861
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:31,880
And it like I said it, this is
the for me, greatest thing that

1862
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:33,760
a video game can do.
It only can.

1863
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,480
You can only do the things in a
video game that are done in this

1864
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,720
game.
The side quests are are the

1865
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:41,640
thing.
And you could not really do that

1866
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,600
in a movie, right?
You could do that maybe in a

1867
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:44,920
book if it was a choose your own
adventure.

1868
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,720
That's the closest, I guess,
that you could come to this kind

1869
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,640
of freedom where you're going to
be like, what does this person

1870
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:52,440
do?
What does this person do?

1871
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:56,680
It also just I love the the tone
and the vibes and the

1872
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,240
atmosphere, even the little tiny
things that you don't even think

1873
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,080
about like the soundtrack,
right?

1874
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:07,320
The the sky boxes, how those
will change on day one to the

1875
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:11,200
next day to the final day.
You'll have this very nice like

1876
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,840
relaxing TuneIn in clock down
the first day, it gets a little

1877
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,920
bit quicker in the second day of
third day, it's really quick and

1878
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:19,200
chaotic.
It's all the same song, but it's

1879
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:23,160
disoriented and and there's so
many things like that.

1880
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,400
The way they implement all the
masks and the way that works

1881
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,960
thematically.
This is just a master class for

1882
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,760
me in terms of video game
design.

1883
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:37,440
Yeah, I, I, I agree.
I think the gameplay variety,

1884
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:41,560
it's unique plot, it's
unforgettable tone, I look

1885
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:43,680
forward to playing it every time
I booted it up.

1886
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,880
And being that it is a shorter
game in the series, this might

1887
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,240
be one that I would revisit.
I mean, if they ever add 3DS

1888
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,760
games to Nintendo classics, I
got to try it to see if Derek's

1889
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:57,160
being crotchety or if the 3DS
remake really is that much

1890
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:58,920
worse.
But like, you know, I think it's

1891
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,760
saying a lot that this game, I
beat this game in like 29 hours

1892
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,160
and I'd still play it again, you
know?

1893
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,880
So Super Nintendo for me.
So with Derek saying that it's

1894
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:12,160
basically built from the bones
of the previous game, are you

1895
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:15,120
saying that even Majora's Mask,
like the other transformation

1896
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:19,440
masks, isn't self a dead thing?
I was waiting for.

1897
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:20,680
I was like, where's he going
with this one?

1898
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:24,480
I don't know where he ended.
Up I I don't know about that,

1899
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:28,160
but I do know that this Link
ends up a dead thing in the

1900
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:29,600
timeline.
We didn't talk about the

1901
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:35,440
timeline, but this hero ends up
training Twilight Princesses

1902
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:40,200
Link as a dead as a dead hero to
continue the narrative.

1903
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,000
That's dope.
Well, can I, can I give my

1904
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,800
little?
I won't go too much into this

1905
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,160
'cause I thought a lot about the
timeline and my whole thing with

1906
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:53,160
the timeline is that it for me.
I think that these are legends.

1907
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,000
They are.
I agree.

1908
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,120
I agree.
I just for the record, for the

1909
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,680
record, I completely agree.
These were Easter eggs that got

1910
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,400
tied together in a way that's
weird and fun to talk about, but

1911
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,440
it's not serious.
And yeah, the people get way to

1912
01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:08,720
when the timelines and the
timelines split and all that

1913
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:09,680
stuff.
And it's like, well, you know

1914
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,240
what?
The reason that Twilight

1915
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,560
Princess and when Waker don't
work together is because they're

1916
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,840
just different tellings of
different legends.

1917
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:19,440
And the people telling those
legends both heard the legend of

1918
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:22,200
Ocarina of Time and they both
told their different sequels.

1919
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,000
It's almost like religions that
contradict each other.

1920
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,400
And it's like, yeah.
Compared to religions, just like

1921
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,360
the first Zelda, right Mike?
There you go there.

1922
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:33,600
You go Yep, Yep.
Well, RiRi, Derek, thank you so

1923
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,880
much for being here for the
launch of Season 4.

1924
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,560
You both have been such a
pivotal part of this podcast, I

1925
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,640
could not imagine doing it with
anyone else.

1926
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,920
Before you get on out of here,
why don't you remind our

1927
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:44,960
listeners where they can find
your stuff and anything else

1928
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,680
you'd like to plug.
RiRi, can you go first?

1929
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,920
Sure, my name is RiRi Yells.
I'm on twitch.

1930
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:57,280
You can find me at RIRIYELLS
That's my my username.

1931
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:04,080
So twitch.tv/R IRIYELLSI like
spooky games and indie games and

1932
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:07,080
sometimes we play classics like
this or randomizers.

1933
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:08,520
So drop on blind love to see
you.

1934
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,040
Awesome.
And Derek, where can people find

1935
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,360
the underrated movie, podcast
and the rest of your prolific

1936
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,600
body of work?
Yeah, so if you just look up

1937
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,000
Underrated Movie podcast,
however you're listening to

1938
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,800
this, it will come up or go to
underratedmoviepodcast.com.

1939
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,520
I, as you mentioned, do a couple
other things including the

1940
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,600
podcast Infinity Stones and
Dragon Bones.

1941
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:32,280
And I just want to shout out
that on December 15th, if you

1942
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:36,800
want to hear Mike or Jamo talk
to me, you can listen to either

1943
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,840
one because on December 15th, I
will be coming out with episodes

1944
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:41,560
for both of you guys for both of
my shows.

1945
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:45,920
Jamo is going to be talking
about Fred Klaus, as I alluded

1946
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,840
to with me on Underrated and
Mike on the Patreon feed is I'm

1947
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:53,320
going to be doing a bonus
episode of Infinity Stones and

1948
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:55,840
Dragon Bones talking about
Blade.

1949
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:59,880
So you can listen to either of
these hosts come talk to me on

1950
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:02,960
both either one of my podcasts.
And I do a bunch of other

1951
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:04,760
podcast stuff, but those are the
main ones.

1952
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:06,560
Infinity Stones, Dragon Bones,
Underrated.

1953
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,640
And then I also have the Patreon
where you can find that episode.

1954
01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:13,680
Patron, it's totally worth.
It it's so much fun.

1955
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:18,080
There's J MO content in there as
well, So you know what we got to

1956
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:21,240
do it then if that's releasing
on the same day, listen to both

1957
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:22,720
and then chime in on the
Discord.

1958
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:25,480
Who did it better Mike versus J
MO.

1959
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,600
We're facing off you.
There can be, there can be only

1960
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,680
one, but you know, that means
people have to subscribe to your

1961
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:35,120
Patreon songs.
And those episodes at the time

1962
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,200
that you were listening to this
are already available.

1963
01:39:37,480 --> 01:39:39,320
Perfect.
There we go.

1964
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,840
All right, well that sounds
northeast excellent.

1965
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:46,120
Everyone join us next time and
we are going to be doing odd

1966
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:50,600
jobs around the house in the
adorable Chibi Robo for the

1967
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,840
GameCube.
Also, don't forget to visit

1968
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,760
www.theoldswitcharoo.com where
you can find links to our

1969
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:01,360
Spotify, our Discord, YouTube,
TikTok, and all the social

1970
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,400
medias you can shake a joystick
at.

1971
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,400
Big thanks to Crystal Fields for
our incredible intro song.

1972
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,240
And please dear listener, don't
forget to like and subscribe.

1973
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:12,160
Every click means a lot and you
mean a lot to us.

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01:40:12,440 --> 01:40:15,040
Until next time, this has been
the old switcheroo where we've

1975
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,240
been talking gaming retro with
Mike and Jamo.

1976
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,720
I've been Mike.
And Ivan Jamo game on, everyone.

1977
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:34,800
Mike, you're someone to play the
sound effects.

1978
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:37,880
You like to and then I just
remove them, so go forward.

1979
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:43,720
You're gonna press the button.
All right?

1980
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:45,040
I'm gonna have to cut this whole
segment.

1981
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:46,840
No, no, keep it in.
Keep it in.

1982
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,320
The people need to know.
You know they don't.