S3E15: Crystalis -or- Periodic Fable of Elements

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I don't know where my Genesis
could be.

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I haven't seen my Super Nintendo
since 2003.

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That's all right.
I don't mind.

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I've got a switch in the old
switch room, my friend Mike.

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And Jamo, too.
All right everyone, welcome back

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to the old Switcheroo where
we're talking gaming retro with

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Mike and Jamo.
I'm Mike.

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And I'm jamo play along on our
epic quest to research and

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review all 300 plus games in the
Nintendo Classic catalog.

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Today we are powering up and
throwing down with the cult

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classic Crystallis, or
Crystallis, I guess, on the NES

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in an episode that we are
calling Mike.

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You ready for a good one?
I'm really proud of this one.

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I'm going to be ready.
I don't think I'm going to get

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one.
Periodic fable of elements.

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Oh, he's smiling, you guys.
He's smirking.

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OK, fine, you win.
Yes.

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I was so excited to think of
this one.

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Crystallis is definitely one of
the more obscure games we've

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ever covered, so I think we
could use a bona fide wise man

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who could guide us on our
journey.

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Please welcome to the show
Happney from our Discord

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community.
Happney how's your summer been

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treating you?
Hey friends, pretty good summer,

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not not going to lie, although
I'm glad school's starting back

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up.
I feel the opposite so

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happening.
Two things I know about you.

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One, you have excellent taste in
wrestling games.

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WCWNWO Revenge is an underrated
gem.

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I'm really pulling for you to
win the Apricorn Cup over at the

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Cable Club league.
And I also know you're really

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devoted family man and father.
So I'm curious, has your kids

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taken to gaming like you did?
Are you forcing it on them?

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Absolutely.
My oldest, my 5 year old, he

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actually was wandering around
with my Switch earlier playing

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Final Fantasy 9 and I'll have to
go hunt for that.

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The three-year old, he he likes
it, but he he needs a lot more

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help.
Yeah, but no, I don't, I don't.

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I don't force anything on him
but food.

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I found out.
MM, you remember Chemical Plant

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from Sonic the Hedgehog too?
Yes.

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His his toddler can beat level 2
of that level.

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Like stage 2 the acid one.
That's crazy, right?

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The last part at least, yeah.
Yeah, happy.

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How old was he?
When or how old were they when

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they beat it?
He was about to turn 5.

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Wow.
OK, well listen, listen, little

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happy one day you'll be hearing
this and I'm giving you props

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from the past, but guys, this
post apocalyptic fantasy realm

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ain't going to save itself.
Are ready to gather some magical

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artifacts.
Absolutely.

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Ready, Mike?
Not so much, but here we go.

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OK, let's talk about Crystallis
on the NES, released in 1990.

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According to Nintendo Classics,
an epic story for RPG fans is

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ready to unfold.
Crystallis is an action

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role-playing game originally
released for the Nintendo

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Entertainment System in 1990.
Set in the world where

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civilization lies and ruins, the
young protagonist awakes from

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cryogenic sleep and the
adventure begins.

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Start by collecting the Sword of
Wind from the village elder and

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equip it from the menus that
open when pressing the select

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button.
Then use the B button to charge

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your sword and release a
powerful long range attack.

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There are four swords and eight
magic spells to collect in all,

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even more items and people to
help you on your way.

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So let's take a look at the box
art since that was off.

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In People's first Impressions,
we have the protagonist facing

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the customer, standing in thick
underbrush as he raises his

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sword against surrounding
monsters while a glimmering

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tower floats in the background
happening.

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Any feelings about this box art?
I love this box art.

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It just reminds me of like the
horrible sci-fi fantasy movies

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from the 70s and the 80s.
Oh.

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It's just that's they're so bad
that they're good and it's just

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just chefs.
Guests can't can't complain

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about the box art.
I think Mike's seen most of

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those bad sci-fi movies.
Yeah, I was actually going to

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say the kids look kind of
reminds me of the kid from

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Neverending Story.
I mean, I'll trade you,

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absolutely.
OK, I could kind of see it, it's

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kind of growing on me as you
guys describe it that way.

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I I don't, I don't love this.
I feel like it's kind of a got.

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Everything's awash in brown and
green.

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Like, I don't know, I don't
know, maybe it'd be too

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nitpicky.
The more I look, the more I

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realize there's things in there
like.

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Yeah.
I'm just noticing the two

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enemies in the background.
Because you thought the golem

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was a tree.
It just kind of actually it's.

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Actually 3 in the background and
then the werewolf.

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I have entirely misinterpreted a
lot of what I'm looking at now.

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OK, I think this is a this is a
mark of a bad cover and I'm

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going to stick to that, which is
because of how things are

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positioned and just that it's
busy and all kind of the same

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colors.
My first interpretation of this

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that I didn't really, there's a
lot to look at, was not

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realizing that's a werewolf and
just realizing that something in

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the foreground that I thought
had very large branch like arms

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on either side of him.
Not that there's trees on either

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side of him and just a werewolf
kind of lined up.

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I think it's pretty obviously a
werewolf.

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I mean, when you look at it
correctly, sure, but there's a

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lot of, there's a lot on here.
Yeah, sure is a lot.

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I to your credit, I didn't
realize.

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Well, I I the the tower floating
in the background, it almost

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doesn't look like it's flying.
Yeah, it looks like it's on the

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mountain.
Mountain, right?

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And I was just like, I feel like
that kind of misses the mark

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because, you know, it's one of
the most iconic visuals of the

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game.
Right.

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I also wonder if this cover is
the source of, or part of the

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source of the massive arguments
that apparently exist over how

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to pronounce the title of this
game.

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Are you referring to the
commercial?

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Because that's what I'm basing
Christallis on.

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I am basing this off of the fact
that the sword being the T in

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this kind of opens this up to
easily reading that this without

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realizing that that's there and
you kind of end up with a

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crystallis or a crystallis which
apparently leads to a lot of

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fighting.
Yeah, OK, so happen he settled

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this.
Is your pick Crystallis or

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Crystallis?
They put money into a

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commercial, did they not?
Crystallis, we've settled it.

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I watched a speed run on this
and crystallis is how they are

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pronouncing it and crystallis is
how multiple people were

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complaining.
It should be pronounced in the

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donations.
Got it.

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What do you guys think of the
Japanese box art?

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Have you seen this one before?
I have, and while I love the

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title, I don't feel like the art
is indicative of the game at

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all.
Mike, what he's referring to is

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in Japan, this was called
Godslayer, Sonata of the Faraway

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Sky.
That's a much better title.

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I was just sold with Godslayer,
but the rest of that man.

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Now you gotta remember though,
Sonata in Japanese has nothing

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to do with music.
It's a pronoun for a thing far

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away but still dope.
Like really cool.

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We have our protagonist and his
female companion Messiah and

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they are both kind of drawn in
manga style and the protagonist

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has like this flaming sword,
which is something I was missing

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from the North American box art.
The swords are so pivotal and

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cool in this game, and you go to
the North American box art and

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it looks puny, but this one,
it's the it's the sort of fire,

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it's encased in fire.
There's the silhouettes of a

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monster army in the background.
The tower is floating in the

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distance.
Pretty sick.

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I think Japanese boxer takes it
for sure.

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I mean, I wouldn't recognize
that as a that that floating

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tower.
It looks like a chandelier to

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me.
OK.

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We know, we know what it is
because we played the game.

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Yeah, between.
Between that and the monster

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army has very strong like
Scooby-doo villain style to it

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there like.
The Grim Reaper blobs, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, Like there's the ice
cream monsters in one of the

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scooby-doo episodes or
something.

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They kind of feel like they have
a similar feel to them.

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And then as a hero, he seems a
lot older in this between this

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and the American cover.
So this game was directed by

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Kazuto Kono, who also worked on
SNK of arcade brawler POW,

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Prisoners of War and Lee
Trevino's Fighting Golf for the

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NES.
The game whose greatest legacy

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is arguably inspired?
Inspiring.

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Which Simpsons joke Mike?
I just fighting golf.

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Lee Caravello's putting
challenge.

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OK.
Remember that one?

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Yes, I didn't know that part's a
joke.

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I just presumed that was a real
game.

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No.
Have you seen The Simpsons

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happening?
I'm not familiar with that

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episode.
It's the episode where Bart

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wants Bone Storm and so he
steals a copy and then I think

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Marge kind of was like, oh, I
asked what the game all the kids

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want is and he gets this putting
challenge thing and the end

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credits bit is putting and
hitting it at Max power into the

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parking lot and break it like a
breaking a windshield.

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And it's like, would you like to
play again?

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You have selected no and.
That's also The Simpsons episode

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with the Sonic cameo where he he
imagined Sonic encouraging him

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to steal the game.
It's also the one where where

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where Milhouse gets the game and
it's just like, this is the best

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game ever and the only thing
I've done is enter my name.

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And because it doesn't have
enough spaces.

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His name is Thrill.
How?

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That's too good.
Well I got some trivia for you

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guys since knowledge is Nintendo
Power.

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Crystallis was heavily inspired
by the Studio Ghibli films of

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the mid 80s, most notably Castle
in the Sky from 1986 and most

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blatantly Hayao Miyazaki's 1984
post apocalyptic Nausicaa Valley

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of the Wind happening.
Have you seen these anime?

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Are you familiar with them?
Oh no, that's that's that's too

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deep in the in the repertoire
for me.

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I'm I'm definitely surface anime
fan.

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I I've also not seen these.
I've seen a couple.

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Mike, have you messed with
Ghibli?

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Yeah, I I think I own both of
those.

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OK.
I think, but I've definitely

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seen both of them.
The Castle in the Sky

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inspiration is pretty obvious,
with the floating tower being a

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pivotal central point of this
game.

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But like the the Foss of level
1, the giant bug, It's it's an

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OM from Nausicaa.
Like, oh.

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Yeah, that's.
I was going to say even I think

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as I it's been a while since
I've seen cows in the sky, but

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cows in the sky does kind of
have this fantasy world where

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there's technology that is
almost viewed as a on a magic

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level in a sense, which I think
is similar to the Baxter.

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And this I think is like
technology destroys the world.

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So now technology is a weird
kind of magic that's forbidden,

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so there's thematic things there
as well.

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It's a really interesting
inversion because it's like, you

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know, for a lot of Christian
society, magic is this evil

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thing you must not tap into.
And, you know, people don't

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really believe in it or
whatever, or some didn't believe

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in it.
And then now the inverse is

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here, where magic is the sure
thing and science is not

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trusted, which is weirdly
prescient.

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Yeah.
I was going to say, I think

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we're at that one.
Yeah.

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I've seen this episode before
it.

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Doesn't end well.
Yeah, it almost touches because

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there is.
The quote of any sufficiently

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advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic.

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In the game it says that.
No, it is Arthur C Clarke.

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Right, Right.
Or as Thor said, you called it

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science.
My people called it magic.

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I come from a place where
they're one in the same.

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So good.
Yeah.

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So the game features a nod to
SNK arcade platformer Psycho

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Soldier Hapney.
Do you recall?

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I know you're kind of a
Crystallis expert.

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Do you recall the strongest type
of shield and armor you can

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find?
If I'm not mistaken, it's psycho

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isn't it for both?
It's the psycho shield and

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psycho armor.
The Psycho shield and the Psycho

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armor, and it's a nod for that.
I didn't know that.

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Yeah, and the characters Kenzu
and Asena are meant to evoke

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Kenzo and Athena.
The two would go on to become

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recurring characters in the King
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So kind of a cool thing there.
And then finally, the story of

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Cristalis has a strange history
all its own.

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Mike, you read the manuals for
this podcast.

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Did you notice that there was in
fact an error in the way the

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story was being told in the
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Not.
That I remember.

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I think all the stuck with me
out of the manual is knowing

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that apparently 1997 is when
this all goes down.

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Yeah.
So in the opening cutscene, it's

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revealed that after a
cataclysmic nuclear war, a

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flying tower was created to
house a supercomputer that would

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stand in judgement of humanity
upon activation and deem them as

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either worthy of saving or
deserving of extinction in order

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to prevent another environmental
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What a cool concept, right?
What a concept, as they would

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say.
This this feels far too close to

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something that someone's going
to do and be like.

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Say we solved the environment
with AI.

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Right, it has SpaceX written on
the bottom of it.

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So the supercomputer is even the
final boss of the game, not the

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evil emperor, which I loved as a
twist.

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Oh yeah, full spoilers I guess.
I think those people know that

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though.
The manual however, states that

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the tower and supercomputer were
created by the antagonist purely

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as weapons to rule over
humanity, which is a lot less

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interesting I would argue.
Would you agree?

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Yeah, I thought it was a neat
concept.

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It's to me it should have taken
place in 1984 if we're going to

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go with the the floating tower
Big Brother concept, but I guess

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97 was a distant space future
for them.

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Yeah, kind of appreciate that
they thought the whole world was

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basically going to be doomed in
seven years.

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Like you look at the turn around
time on things for like how long

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until everything goes downhill
and you get a lot where it's

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like like 1984 was 30 years out
from when it was written.

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I think 25 or 30 to be like in
under a decade, we're all doomed

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is pessimistic for 1990.
Like we got to finish the

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Nintendo Classics catalog before
that happens.

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We got to start jamming.
So this will piss you guys off.

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When the game was ported to the
Game Boy Color in 2000, the

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ending of the game was rewritten
and the boss order changed to

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make the old NES manual
retroactively correct.

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The tower and supercomputer are
just baddies and you need to

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stop them.
What the heck?

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Wait so for my clarification.
So the error here is the manual

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says one thing, but the end of
the game or reveals it as

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differently.
The beginning of the game and

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the end.
OK.

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The game completely contradicts
its own manual, but then when it

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was ported to Game Boy Color,
they changed the ending of the

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game to match the original NES
manual.

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Doesn't match the beginning of
the game now or.

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Yeah.
That makes some things make way

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more sense that after I finished
playing the game this week, I

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went and watched some different
runs and read some different

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walkthroughs and I was getting
different data on the two final

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boss fights.
And I'm like, I don't, there's

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no consistency here.
It's very confusing.

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Oh that makes that makes way
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That reminds me of my wife and I
saw Anchorman 2 and we didn't

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realize it was the director's
cut that had like 480 new jokes.

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And so the movie was different
and our brains broke because

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we're like, we saw this movie
and every scene is different.

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What's happening?
Remember having vaguely that

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with Harold and Kumar 3.
Right, because you saw it pre 3.

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DI saw it pre 3D but I saw it
with.

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There's a whole arc that they
cut from what I saw and replaced

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with a different arc.
Are you allowed to be talking

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about this?
Didn't you sign an NDA?

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I'm not saying what, I'm just
saying they change things and I

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think that expires when the
movie's out.

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All right, did you like the cut
version better?

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It was just that.
It was just different.

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It was like this thing, like
where the heck?

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This is not what I remembered at
all.

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So before we get into the joy
pros and joy cons, what is our

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history with Crystallis and how
far do we make it through the

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game happening?
Why'd you pick this game and

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what's your history with it?
So I giggle every time you call

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me an expert because I've
literally only known about this

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game for like 18 months.
I started, I started playing it

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last summer shortly after I'd, I
discovered your guys podcast and

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I was like, I was kind of doing
the same thing on my own.

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So like I told you earlier, it's
kind of nice to find my tribe,

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somebody that's doing something
I was doing.

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I'm was just going through the
catalog myself and this one when

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I came across it, I was like,
and this is so fun.

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I've never heard of this.
I don't, I've never heard

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anybody talk about it.
And while it has some definite

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quality of life, well, the
opposite of quality of life

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things wrong with it for the
most part, it's a gem.

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I I thoroughly enjoyed it.
But yeah, I started playing it

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last summer.
I picked it up then and then

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it's it's a game though.
But it's like once you put it

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down, it's, it's hard to pick
back up that save file.

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It's easier to just start it,
start it over, which I've so

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I've started over this game
three times in the last 18

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months.
I'm getting emotional because

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I'm pretty sure Mike, this is
our first guest who is talking

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about a game they played kind of
because of us.

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Like that's.
Sick or at least concurrent

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with.
No, it's because of us.

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I'll give you that one.
I'll give you that one.

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You can have it.
So more importantly, Nintendo,

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did you beat this game?
I'm going to answer this in two

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parts.
OK so whenever I play a game I

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try as hard as I can to not
rewind and see how far I can get

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without using the rewind and all
this extra safe state.

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I use the safe states because
some of the Nintendo safe states

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are funky but I tried it
wouldn't to not rewind.

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So without rewinding I made it
to the second general Kobas

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fight and I could not beat him
without rewinding.

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However, once once I he's ready
with that sound effect.

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Yes, once.
Once I committed to cheating, I

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was able to beat this game.
It's not roll credits, it's not

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cheating you.
You intended beat it.

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I'm proud of you.
And also the second General

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Kobesk fight that's near the
end.

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Like that's impressive.
I guess it's it's a lot of

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buying medical plants and
antidotes and.

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Stocking up, Mike, how far did
you get?

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So I had not heard of this game
at all before so really didn't

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know what to expect out of this.
World map wise it reminds me a

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lot of like Zelda 2 in terms of
like your checkpoints are

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reaching different the different
towns.

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I got to I guess somewhere
between the second and third

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town.
I guess I reached a third town,

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but it feels like it doesn't
count.

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And I reached a point where I
have no idea what to do.

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I think I've gone everywhere I
can go.

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Oh yeah.
And up until watching a speed

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run before this was still just
confused at a couple couple

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hours in.
But it was like, I don't know

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what to do.
There's a house that when I go

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to it was telling told me to go
to a village.

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I went to the village, talked to
everyone there, went back to the

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house, the house told me to go
to the village, went to another

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village that I can't talk to
anybody in.

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Apparently I learned in the
spade run this game has weird

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issues with like the actions you
have to do to advance things not

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at all being clear.
So apparently the house that

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I've been to multiple times that
keeps telling me go to the go to

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a particular village and then I
go to that village and then

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nothing happens.
Needed me to go to the village

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in the forest where I can't
talk, communicate with anyone,

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and then go back and some.
And then I'd be able to advance

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the story, which is not at all
clear.

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And so that is where I stopped
because it's like I've gone to

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everything and I apparently just
didn't go to everything and have

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nothing happen in the right
order.

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Yeah.
Yeah, thankfully Hapney warned

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me about that.
So I I've been Mike's

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rpgcenter.com has been like my
social media for the last couple

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of weeks.
Because it has.

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Are you familiar with this site
happening?

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Yes, he he has the best version
of a walkthrough.

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It's it's amazing.
For the most.

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For the most part, it's
definitely the most thorough and

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expensive.
But you know, what I like about

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his walkthroughs happening is
that it's just a bullet list of

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telling you what to do.
It doesn't tell you.

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It doesn't tell you exactly what
to do.

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It just tells you what to
accomplish next.

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And so I still felt like I was
playing the game, you know?

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Oh yeah, and the the hyperlinks
between too.

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So it's like, what do you mean
the ring of power?

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And then you click it and you
jump to it like, oh, it's here

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and then you can hit back.
Absolutely.

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I also try to play without
walkthroughs, but this game

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you'd be playing for months and
months and months because like

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like Mike said, you have to
accidentally do the same thing

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you've done four times in the
right, wrong order.

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Yeah, I was going to say you're,
you'll be playing for about two

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hours if you're not doing this
in walkthroughs because that's

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about.
I watched your twitch stream

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much after you did it and I was
like oh you poor thing.

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You're not using a walkthrough
at all, are you?

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You poor SAP.
I have to stumble upon this

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statue in the grass that nobody
told me it was in the grass.

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OK, great.
That at least I found.

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OK, yeah, see you got some
chops, Mike.

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So through moderate use of the
rewind feature, honestly, I

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didn't abuse it as much as I
normally have to, which I think

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is a credit to this game.
I think the combat's good.

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We'll get to that in a second.
But through moderate use of the

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rewind feature and egregious use
of Mike's rpgcenter.com, I

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nintended Beat Crystallis How
many computer?

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Well done.
Thank you.

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And I did it exactly in 10 hours
and 0 minutes.

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I don't know why.
I think I deserve some kind of

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recognition for that.
But that's interesting, right?

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That is interesting.
Like very nearly exactly 10

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times the speedrun on this I
believe.

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Oh yeah, I when I heard the
speedrun was under an hour I was

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like how?
I watched an older video so it

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at that time when games done
quick did this.

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I watched two people race it and
they both finished in just a

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couple minutes over an hour.
I hope the one I found was like

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54 minutes but I could be wrong.
My my short term memory is

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atrocious so.
But yeah, it's it's around an

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hour and I don't see how.
A lot of tricks.

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It's got to be a lot of trickery
to get it that done that fast.

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So Happiny, you picked this game
and I was kind of hoping you

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could start our conversation on
the joy Pros of the game.

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You said it's a gem.
I like it too.

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What makes it good?
So I think starting off, I'm a

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huge Zelda fan.
I loved, I loved the original.

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I played it as a small child.
I did not beat it as a small

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child.
I don't think I've beat it as an

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adult, honestly.
And I feel like this was S&K's

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answer for the original Zelda
because Link was not.

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While it is debatably a good
game, bad game, whatever you

452
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,560
say, it's not an answer for
Zelda.

453
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,520
And I feel like that was that's
what S&K was trying to quench

454
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,680
that thirst before Link to the
Past came out.

455
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,800
The advantages it has over Zelda
starting off is your your

456
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,000
character's speed.
I have never played an RPG where

457
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,520
your character moves in all 8
directions that fast, so I love

458
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,400
the speed in which he plays.
I felt like to be 1990.

459
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,520
The item system was pretty good
and the the powering up of your

460
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,040
weapons very enjoyable.
I love that every sword had

461
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,480
three tears.
I like the magic.

462
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,600
He had a good magic system.
You you you weren't a party

463
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,040
player, you had just yourself
and you you could do magic and

464
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,280
it's not a hack and slash.
But I like the action RPG

465
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,120
sometimes it's a it's a nice
break from the turn based RPGI.

466
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,880
Was also struck by the speed of
this thing, like it controls so

467
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,280
much better than Zelda Nesi
don't know if it's blasphemous

468
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,840
to say and I'd have to go back
and recheck it, but in my mind

469
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,000
it played better than even
linked to the past the SNES

470
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,400
Zelda.
There's just something about the

471
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,840
way the protagonist moves, the
fact that you can strafe while

472
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,400
charging up and holding down
your attack so you can keep

473
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,960
facing your enemy, and while you
kind of back up, that little

474
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,400
difference makes it feel like
actual combat to me.

475
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,680
And the fact that it was running
this quickly on such old

476
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,920
hardware, I was actually kind of
impressed by it.

477
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,360
Mike, did you like how it moved?
I think how the character moved

478
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,920
was all right.
I think this gets adjacent to

479
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,600
things like we try not to rush
this, but it's like it's hard to

480
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,400
view how it moved without having
to think about how, like, hit

481
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,440
boxes were interacting.
Yeah, yeah.

482
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,800
Which I was highly underwhelmed
by.

483
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,440
OK, I was saving that for the
joy cons.

484
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,880
Yeah.
So it's hard to kind of be like,

485
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,760
well, what do you think about
this?

486
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,280
Like, well, there's two very key
parts that it's hard to separate

487
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,520
out from me.
I get it.

488
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,920
You're dipping into some Joy Con
territory.

489
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,400
Right, but, but, but when you're
making your way through this

490
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,360
very expansive world map that is
not telling you where to go,

491
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,160
it's nice that you can cover
ground.

492
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,600
Yes.
And you can get away from the

493
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,400
seven enemies that surround you
when you weren't prepared for

494
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,880
them, although you should be
because they spawn in the same

495
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,400
place, but still.
Yeah, they spawn in the same

496
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,880
place.
I feel like their behavior is

497
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,920
pretty predictable in a way that
made it kind of fun to grind, I

498
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,440
thought.
And you know, you said the ease

499
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,760
of getting around the map.
I love that not only does the

500
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,600
character move that quickly, but
you also unlock fast travel

501
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,760
through the magic spells pretty
early on.

502
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,240
Teleport is not something I had
to wait very long for and that

503
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,800
you can use it anywhere.
Even in the middle of a level.

504
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,160
You can dip out and get back to
town anytime you want.

505
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,880
That's that's pretty good.
That's pretty like on the

506
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,000
players side in a way that I
feel like Zelda sometimes didn't

507
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,440
do so well.
So let me ask you this, when you

508
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,080
warped, which town did you warp
to?

509
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,200
The last one that Mike's RPG
Center had me go to.

510
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,440
Oh.
Why?

511
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,520
Because I don't know if you
noticed, but the end every time

512
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,960
you advance to a new level, a
new town, the end price goes up.

513
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,400
Right.
So you got to warp back to like

514
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,280
Bryn Mawr.
So you're paying 20 bucks to

515
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,240
recharge your health and magic
instead of 500 at Goa or Sahara?

516
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,160
You know, this, this might be
why Jackie handles my finances.

517
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,840
But it never occurred to me to
teleport to the cheap town

518
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,440
because your rest is just as
good.

519
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,640
I just kept getting annoyed that
every new city it's like, oh,

520
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,640
now it's $700.00 a night.
I'm like, what happened to 10 or

521
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,200
whatever it was?
Oh, that's so funny.

522
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,320
I'm just a chump that way.
I like how this game looks.

523
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,920
I think that, you know, it's for
the most part, it's really

524
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,880
colorful.
There's like some depth of field

525
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,800
to some of the shots.
The characters have these really

526
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,040
thick black outlines.
Like I think comparing it to

527
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,600
Zelda on the NES and yes, this
was years later, but it's it's

528
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,400
kind of starkly better
happening.

529
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Would you agree?
Then visually, then Zelda,

530
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,200
absolutely.
It's, but I mean it also had

531
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,160
five years to advance, I
believe.

532
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,720
What Zelda 85?
But it's it's yes.

533
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,280
But it's really cool to see like
what you can get out of a system

534
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,280
the same hardware five years
later.

535
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,600
This is what devs are pulling
off.

536
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,160
Kind of a huge leap, I think.
I mean, it's not really the same

537
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,080
hardware.
Oh, because it's running off the

538
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,040
cartridge.
Yeah.

539
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,800
Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, I guess I'm thinking of it

540
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,160
in modern term.
But design wise, yeah,

541
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,480
absolutely.
I felt, I felt like it was

542
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,520
definitely closer to a Super
Nintendo game for sure.

543
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,960
It feels really impressive for 8
bits.

544
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,400
There's all these little
effects.

545
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,440
I really like the way that when
you kill an enemy with the water

546
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,360
sword, they like explode into
drops.

547
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,840
And I love when you're charging
up your attacks in this game.

548
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,240
Mike Is it protons or electrons
that orbit the nucleus of an

549
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,280
atom?
Electrons, electrons.

550
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,760
So like there's this cool effect
where like energy kind of swirls

551
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,640
around you almost like an
electron circling an atom.

552
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,480
Still images just don't do this
game justice.

553
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,640
I think the way that it moves is
one of the most impressive

554
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,120
things about it.
Mike what you think of the

555
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,440
music?
You've been enjoying some of the

556
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,080
soundtracks from games we've
covered recently.

557
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,440
You like the music, right?
I'm be honest on this one, I

558
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,240
can't remember any of the music.
No happening.

559
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,720
So to my own detriment, playing
this game early on, I am.

560
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,000
I don't usually have the music
on.

561
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,560
It's it's one of those things of
trying to keep those kids

562
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,640
asleep.
You just be as quiet as you can.

563
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,520
So I would usually play with it
off and then I found out later

564
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,360
on that I was actually making it
more difficult on myself because

565
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,840
of that mechanic where if your
sword wasn't powerful enough to

566
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,040
kill an enemy, it made a tink
sound.

567
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,160
Yes.
So when I started playing with

568
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,360
the volume because I needed to
hear if I was doing damage or

569
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,800
not, I actually did enjoy most
of the music in the game.

570
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,120
My test for good game music is
that if I unplugged the

571
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,400
headphones by the way happening
you know they make headphones

572
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,520
right?
Like can I mail you some

573
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,680
headphones like you can hear
your games?

574
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,000
Well, I got to be able to hear
them scream because you never

575
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,440
know when a 2:00 AM brawl is
going to kick off, so.

576
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,800
You can use just one headphone.
Like I'm basically just using

577
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,880
one headphone all the time.
But you know Mike, he's a good

578
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,560
dad.
He needs to hear all sides of

579
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,000
the room.
This is why we don't have kids

580
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,720
because we would just listen to
the music and not tend to the 2

581
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,800
year old brawl.
Yeah, you got to know whether or

582
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,160
not the two year old's doing
damage.

583
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,280
If you hear the tink, you know
it's.

584
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,000
There's a lot of, there's a lot
of tink sounds when they fight.

585
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,320
Well, I feel bad for saying this
next Joy Pro because I think

586
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,480
it's going to make Mike really
mad, but I thought this game was

587
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,440
actually pretty good at
communicating things to the

588
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,680
player.
Like I think the heads up

589
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,480
display I'm showing on the
screen right here, you got to

590
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,360
give them credit.
They've packed a lot of

591
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,160
information for the player in
like an eighth of the screen.

592
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,000
You see your life, how much your
attack is charged up, how much

593
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,720
money you have, what level you
are, how many experience points

594
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,320
until the next level, and how
many magic points you have.

595
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,120
Like, I feel like a lot of RPGs
I've played, I have to pause to

596
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,240
find out things like that, and
so I appreciate it always being

597
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,960
down there.
Do you guys like that?

598
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Did you find the HUD kind of
nice?

599
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,680
Well, the the HUD had to put
everything on the screen because

600
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,120
if you had to pause to check all
of your status, you'd never be

601
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,960
unpaused.
Between that and changing your

602
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,000
swords, you would just be paused
the entire game.

603
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,160
But no, I I really did like the
display.

604
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,600
It was I I thoroughly enjoyed
being able to see my status.

605
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,720
Yeah.
And I think experience, that was

606
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,160
huge, actually, But I had to
grind for both money and for

607
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,200
experience at different points,
which because that's a lot of

608
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,440
the game.
Yeah.

609
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,840
In just two hours, most of that
game was, oh, I'm just going to

610
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,080
have to grind for a while for
something.

611
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,280
And it being there was very
helpful because it meant it was

612
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,200
real quick to figure out like,
oh, this is how much these are

613
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,680
doing.
I need to grind something that's

614
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,200
worth more experience.
Right.

615
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,200
Or, you know, I could pace a lot
more off of that.

616
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,480
So that portion of displaying
stuff I think was done very well

617
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,720
like that, communicating my
current stats.

618
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,440
This game did well.
And in a way, aren't we all

619
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,200
grinding for money and
experience?

620
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Whoa, Apne mentions the
elemental swords.

621
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,000
I like the elemental sword
system in this game.

622
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,240
Mike, how many of these did you
get?

623
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,160
Just one.
So just the sort of wind.

624
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,800
Yes, I guess.
So, Hap, do you have a favorite?

625
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,040
So the sort of Thunder, sort of
wind, sort of water and sort of

626
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,200
fire or crystallis.
Definitely the definitely the

627
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,960
sort of Thunder.
Yeah.

628
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,680
What makes it so good?
It's more so the the area of

629
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,280
effect with your tier, your Tier
1 charge.

630
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,920
Yeah, because what I don't
remember which, which one of the

631
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,680
rings was it one of the rings
you could put on and it would.

632
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,600
The Warrior Ring.
It would skip, yeah, you would

633
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,560
skip your Tier 1 and go straight
to your Tier 2 or tier Tier 1

634
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:39,920
without charging.
That's what it was.

635
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,600
Which is huge.
So so that's that might be one

636
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,040
of the things I love most about
this game is that it really bugs

637
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,520
me how in a lot of Zelda's you
can only do your long range

638
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,520
sword attack at full health.
Yeah, this game is like, no,

639
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,360
you're going to have your long
range sword attack the whole

640
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,920
time because it's fun to use.
You're just going to charge it

641
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,280
up.
And so towards the end of the

642
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,280
game there is an item that
instantly charges level 1.

643
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,600
So you basically become like a
button masher and it's kind of

644
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,719
like a shooter at that point.
Yeah, and it has a the The

645
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,199
Lightning Sword has the, the
Thunder sword has the the

646
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,840
shotgun spray, it has the three
bolts that come out.

647
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,800
And so you don't have to be head
on with that hit box.

648
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,440
And Mike was talking about to
knock knock enemies back, which

649
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,000
becomes important when they're
swarming.

650
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,880
And then, you know, level 2, you
charge it up a little bit.

651
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,440
Now it's an eight way
spreadshot.

652
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,679
So basically the entire part of
the screen you're facing and

653
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,520
then it's super attack is a real
stunner.

654
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,679
The screen goes black, lightning
strikes the entire screen and

655
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,639
your enemies flashing
silhouettes are hit.

656
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,760
It's it's one of the most
impressive things I've ever seen

657
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,120
in NES.
Do I don't know, happy?

658
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,120
Am I exaggerating?
No, it's it's definitely the the

659
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,639
tier threes for all of the
swords, but the yeah, the the

660
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,320
the last one.
It just it sucks that you didn't

661
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,880
play a whole lot of the game
with it.

662
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,600
Yeah.
I think the decision to have the

663
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,520
swords separate from health,
different from the way Zelda

664
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,560
does it, also becomes critical.
Because in Zelda, that's just

665
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,760
sort of like a perk of OK, I can
use the sword to hit people at a

666
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,600
distance, but this required you
to be able to charge up to get

667
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,040
through things.
Yes.

668
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:24,440
Because you don't have bombs to
blast through walls and then the

669
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,040
ice sword would make you bridges
across water.

670
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,320
Which I love doing every time.
Every time I made a bridge I was

671
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,480
like, this is that feels cool.
It makes it cool like sound

672
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,520
effect.
I just, I've heard some people

673
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,720
complain that the game is too
repetitive, but like I think

674
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,720
that when you have a really good
system like this, you know the

675
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:47,720
swords and you know, the combat
they're in and the different

676
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,200
elements having different tricks
and spread fires and super

677
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,360
attacks.
I'm like, I don't mind that it's

678
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,000
repetitive because it's always
fun to use these things.

679
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,240
I was a big fan of the sword
system.

680
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:02,240
I think that the story has some
really memorable moments

681
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:03,840
happening.
Do you have any favorite like

682
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,560
highlights from the Crystallis
arc?

683
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,120
Honestly, that's that's kind of
a fall off for me.

684
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,920
This the game, I did not enjoy
it, but I I felt like it was

685
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,440
kind of all over the place.
And maybe that's with me only

686
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,440
being a surface level anime fan
where I'm like, I don't, I don't

687
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,280
really know what's going on, but
I'm having fun doing it.

688
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,760
I just feel like there's a lot
of moments that are going to

689
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,360
really stick in my mind.
So at one point you get an item

690
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,640
to ride a dolphin around the
sea, you have to avoid

691
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,320
whirlpools, and you kind of have
like this cool sort of fast

692
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,200
travel mechanic.
In one of the final boss fights,

693
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,840
the big villain turns into a
dragon and he has a attack that

694
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,440
can just turn you into a
helpless slime in the middle of

695
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,040
the boss fight.
It's so stressful, and then like

696
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,680
the end of the game when you
finally get to the flying tower

697
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,240
and now for the first time, it's
like a horde mode where you

698
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:02,320
don't explore the tower.
You have to defeat enough

699
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,760
enemies to open the door to get
to the next one.

700
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,080
So I really like it when in the
third act of a game, the

701
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,880
gameplay style switches up a
little bit.

702
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,400
Mike mentioned.
So Mike, when you were getting

703
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,520
stuck and didn't know where to
go, did you use the telepathy

704
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,520
spell?
I don't.

705
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,880
I did not think.
I don't think I had a telepathy

706
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,560
spell.
Okay, because you get it pretty

707
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,280
early on, don't you happening?
Yeah, it's, let's see, it's

708
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,120
revive and then I think it's the
fourth spell that you get.

709
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,600
But let me just step in here.
I misunderstood your question.

710
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,280
I thought you just meant the
story itself.

711
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,560
Was there anything memorable
from the story itself, not the

712
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,600
actual gameplay?
Yeah.

713
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,000
So yeah, there was a lot of fun
moments in in the the game

714
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,760
itself, but I, I, I really
enjoyed the challenge of the

715
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,640
actual tower and the enemies and
then the, the data sentry.

716
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,720
That was that was a lot of fun
for me.

717
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:00,760
And then getting to actually use
Chrysalis.

718
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,720
Yeah, the titular sword.
For for 4 minutes of the game.

719
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,240
Yeah, she's like, it's like a
big energy ball, but I don't

720
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,120
know, like dipping in Joy Con
territory.

721
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,120
But that thing took the final
boss out fast for me.

722
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,480
Well, yeah, so.
Far I was, I was.

723
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,320
Shocked.
Yeah.

724
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,560
And I also found a spot right at
the edge of the doormat to the

725
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,760
final boss fight.
And like, if you stand there,

726
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,760
nothing hits you.
So I accidentally had a cake

727
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,600
walk with the final boss.
Nice.

728
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,480
So, Mike, any Joy pros of the
game that we didn't touch upon

729
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,440
already?
Not for me, I don't think so.

730
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,400
OK, happy.
Do you have anything else to say

731
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,000
in praise of the game?
And I think we're kind of

732
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,480
covered a lot of what makes it
really cool.

733
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,280
I just, I don't know, I just
feel like there's a lot of

734
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,280
there's a lot of Nintendo DNA.
Yeah.

735
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,960
When you, when you look at it
just, and you can see it in

736
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,200
different games, like just just
this little still you have up

737
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,480
here.
The dolphin looks like something

738
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,720
out of Mario, the bug from the
forest.

739
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,440
I mean, I know it's from that
Studio Ghibli film, but to me

740
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,880
that looks like Metroid.
Yeah.

741
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,240
And then the the Emperor in his
true form.

742
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,600
I'm trying to think of it's
Demon's Quest I think is the

743
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,120
name of the game or possibly a
Castlevania type in.

744
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,200
I just, I feel like it's, it's
definitely a lot of fun aspects

745
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,720
of NES games wrapped into one
when you just look at the

746
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:25,440
artwork of the game itself.
Aesthetically, it kind of dips

747
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,240
into a lot of little nostalgia
wells for us, doesn't it?

748
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,040
Absolutely.
I didn't finish my question or

749
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,640
my point about the telepathy
spell.

750
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,440
So Mike, you unlock a spell
where you can, at any point in

751
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,000
the game, pick one of the four
supporting characters to ask for

752
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,320
advice, and they will tell you
where to go next sometimes.

753
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,320
But what makes the game feel
very lived in in real, is that

754
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,680
sometimes they'll have no idea
how to help you because they've

755
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,360
never been where you were at.
And every now and then the wise

756
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,600
man will get like, annoyed that
you're telepathically calling at

757
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,400
a late hour or whatever.
My favorite use of telepathy.

758
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,320
Do you happening?
Do you recall what happens if

759
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,040
you talk to animals after
learning this spell?

760
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,720
Yeah, I don't know if I did.
So bunnies will now have

761
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:11,920
dialogue because you can read
their minds.

762
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,400
Oh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

763
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,760
Was it telep?
Oh, sorry.

764
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,840
The telepathy.
Not teleport Telepathy.

765
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,000
Yeah, yeah, You had to talk to
the But I know that.

766
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,520
I know the the rabbit in the
sheds like everybody's dead.

767
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,160
You need to go here.
Yeah, and I wonder if that's

768
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,160
maybe where Mike got stuck
because the rabbit wasn't

769
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,280
talking to him.
But Mike mentioned that he went

770
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,120
to a town where he couldn't talk
to anyone.

771
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,080
And so after you learn, so you
there's this one town, it's a

772
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,400
dwarven village, and everyone
you talk to, every NPC says go

773
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,120
in peace.
But after learning telepathy,

774
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,160
you find out they're saying
really hateful stuff about

775
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,440
humans.
And like, I don't know if you

776
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,120
guys can relate to that feeling
of like you walk past someone

777
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,240
who's speaking a language you
don't and you have that

778
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:55,000
irrational fear that they're
saying bad things about you.

779
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,200
This was that nightmare come to
life for me.

780
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,840
But they definitely were.
You know, there was just a

781
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,040
thing.
The show Homeland, I think OK,

782
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,040
had hired people to write
graffiti, that they needed

783
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,480
Arabic graffiti on the set, OK?
And the people that they hired

784
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,080
basically wrote stuff talking
about apparently how racist the

785
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,480
show Homeland is 0.
My.

786
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,960
Fantastic.
And nobody knew that they did

787
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,080
that because nobody on set knew
Arabic.

788
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,440
And I think it aired that way.
Oh my gosh.

789
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,880
That is the best of my
understanding to a headline I

790
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,120
saw today, so that may or may
not be accurate, but it is

791
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,960
relevant in the way that I have
remembered it.

792
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,000
And the fact that they wouldn't
have hired anybody for quality

793
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,560
control on that is just
fantastic.

794
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,240
Mike, now you're a 2025 podcast.
You're like, this is my truth.

795
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,640
This is my.
I just really think that

796
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,680
Crystallis, it's impressive to
play.

797
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,280
It feels very lived in.
I really liked it.

798
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,200
Oh.
I'm adding a thing I remembered

799
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,640
now that I did like the dialogue
stuff, which was on this to talk

800
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,000
to people.
You just kind of walked into

801
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:09,720
them.
Yeah.

802
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,280
And that you didn't have to like
line up correctly and hit a

803
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,480
button.
That's a Joy Pro for you.

804
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,880
After some of the games we have
played, Oh my gosh, it's a it is

805
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,640
so much of A Joy Pro.
I can't make it through the town

806
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,360
without having the same 66
second conversation with a

807
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,360
person over and over and over
because they won't get out of

808
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,280
your way.
There's a little bit of that,

809
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,840
but having to chase people down
and, you know, because people

810
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,360
are moving and it won't
interact, right?

811
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,360
And it's like, why'd you say try
to talk to empty airs?

812
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,160
Like because there's a person
there when I hit that button.

813
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,720
Well, and Mike's referring
mostly to fantasy *4, which not

814
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:51,800
only if you try to talk to
someone and miss, you get

815
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,120
chastised for it.
They say stop wasting time.

816
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,000
And it's like I'm trying to talk
to the guy, let me talk to the

817
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,240
guy.
All right, guys.

818
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,480
Well, so before we get into the
joy cons of the game, I wanted

819
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,880
to play a bit of a cringy mini
game minute.

820
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,960
If it's all right with you guys,
we're going to call it Frozen in

821
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,040
time in this mini game.
It has two inspirations, one

822
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,800
happening.
Have you ever seen the

823
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,680
commercial for Crystallis?
I, I watched it the first time I

824
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,120
played it through and it it, it
definitely harkened back to that

825
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,040
those seventies 80s movies I was
talking about for sure.

826
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:27,920
Yeah, but what's weird is that
there's not a scrap of gameplay

827
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,520
in the in the trailer and this
game looks good, like they

828
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,920
should have shown the game.
It's it's just absolutely.

829
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:41,000
And it has this really bad
tagline, which is, are you up to

830
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,280
the challenge?
And the commercial pauses like I

831
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,240
did, like he's trying to
remember the line.

832
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,560
And that's the take they went
with.

833
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,080
But since Crystallis has this,
really?

834
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,240
Cool takes and that's the best
one.

835
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,240
That was the best one.
That's what they went with.

836
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:01,560
I'm Ron Burgundy.
There's the Anchorman reference

837
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,840
again.
Rule of Threes.

838
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,640
I love it.
So I really love how this game

839
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,080
opens.
It's a fantasy game, but the

840
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,200
first thing you see are computer
screens and it's like there's

841
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,480
this sequence happening and you
can see like data being read and

842
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,640
it's like very technological.
And you wake up from a crystal

843
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,520
chrysalis.
You know, when you think about

844
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,960
it, every fantasy video game
starts with looking at a

845
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,040
computer screen.
Was that worth it?

846
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,480
Was that worth it, Mike?
It was worth it to me.

847
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,600
OK, yes, when it goes Sega the
wrong one.

848
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:33,880
No.
What is this one baby?

849
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,560
Anyway?
You ruined my flow.

850
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,440
The way this game is gonna work
is that I am going to read you

851
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:46,200
boys a tagline from a movie, TV
show or video game that features

852
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,160
characters coming out of
cryogenic sleep.

853
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,680
OK, blurt it out if you know it,
but since so much of Crystallis

854
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,840
is about like time and the
passage of time, the player who

855
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,080
didn't get the answer first can
get a point if they know the

856
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,760
year the movie was released or
the game or the show or

857
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,600
whatever.
OK, so you guys understand,

858
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,480
blurt out if you know the answer
and then the second player gets

859
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,720
to guess the year.
Any questions?

860
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,280
Go for.
It ready Mike?

861
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:14,160
Yep, OK, first one and you can
interrupt me if you want to man.

862
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:20,080
Haunted, caged, forced to mate
by civilized.

863
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,240
Apes Planet of the Apes.
One point for Mike Happney.

864
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:29,600
Any idea when Planet of the Apes
was released And no Googling?

865
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,200
So tempting.
I don't know, 76 for the first

866
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,760
one maybe?
Pretty close 1968.

867
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,640
Oh sue, is it older?
I wanted to say 60s, but I

868
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,880
didn't want to offend anybody.
That's hard to offend us.

869
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:45,640
All right.
Ready for this one?

870
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,280
Frozen in the 60s Foster.
Powers.

871
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:55,000
OK, thawing this spring
happening.

872
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,000
Howard, 97.
Yes, it was.

873
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,560
That's easy, you put it on the
poster.

874
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,520
They put it on the poster.
I didn't.

875
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,960
This is just the poster of the
movie.

876
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:07,680
All right.
This one's fun.

877
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,360
Round 30.
There's 7 total.

878
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,560
The future ain't what it used to
be.

879
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,320
Demolition Man.
No, OK, I want you to remember

880
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,360
that you said that.
Idiocracy.

881
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,360
Good guesses.
One more time, the future.

882
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,880
Back to the future too.
But it's gotta be a character

883
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,640
waking up from cryogenic sleep,
remember?

884
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,640
Yeah, sorry.
That's my turn.

885
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,440
Go for it, Mike.
Well, I mean, you can guess

886
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,000
again.
He doesn't know it's.

887
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:36,480
Can I reveal it?
Yeah.

888
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,280
Yeah.
Futurama.

889
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,040
Yeah.
I didn't think about shows.

890
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,320
Yeah, you're right, you did.
So you did play chosen games?

891
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,280
Yeah, I forgot about shows as
well.

892
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,280
Anybody know when the first
episode aired?

893
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,480
99.
You can't stop looking at the

894
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,120
posters.
No, I did.

895
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,920
I watched Futurama, I just
didn't think about Fry getting

896
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,280
froze.
But you were right in 1999.

897
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,360
So tie game two to two, all
right?

898
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,640
The 21st century's most
dangerous cop, The 21st

899
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:12,000
century's most.
There we go, Mike, your release.

900
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,000
I have no idea on this.
Take a wild stab. 89.

901
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,400
Pretty close, 93.
All right.

902
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,640
How many pulls into the lead?
This one?

903
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,200
I don't think it's really
thought of as having A tag line.

904
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,600
There's two.
I'll read you the first one.

905
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,280
The world deserves a better
ending.

906
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,720
It's a good tag line, huh?
The world deserves a better

907
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:36,200
ending.
Or the tag line that I think

908
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:42,040
makes it easier to guess.
Get wasted, get wasted.

909
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,440
Going once, going twice, yeah.
I got nothing.

910
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,280
Fallout.
Any of you guys know when the

911
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,760
show was released?
O24. 2024 Here we go, two more

912
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,560
where the Stone Age meets the
Rock Age.

913
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,600
Oh Encino man.
Yes, happeny Encino man Mike,

914
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,120
any idea release year?
Well, I'm thinking fun Side

915
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,080
Story.
I heckled Neil deGrasse Tyson

916
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,240
about this once.
About Encino man.

917
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,240
Yes, because he was giving us
talk about the premise was sort

918
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,600
of a point of like how many
molecules there are in the

919
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,120
atmosphere is the idea of like
when one breath of atmosphere

920
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,040
you are breathing in a molecule
that would have been briefed by

921
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,640
kind of any historic figure.
And the ones he used were all

922
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,520
the ones from Bill and Ted.
And then he's like, does anyone

923
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,840
know why I picked these ones?
Like, people like, yeah, Bill

924
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,280
and Ted said, yeah.
And he kind of gives a quick

925
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,480
summary of that.
But he says that Bill and Ted

926
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:46,360
takes place in Encino.
Oh, and I did yell San Dimas.

927
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,920
Yeah, especially the crowd was
on your side.

928
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,800
Yeah, because I mean, if if
anyone's going to appreciate

929
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,040
pedantically correcting someone,
it should be Neil deGrasse

930
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:05,280
Tyson.
I am going to guess 1986. 1992.

931
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,760
Yeah, Ollie Shore was a a wee
child in 86.

932
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,880
Right.
I forgot he's in that Encino,

933
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,600
man was not has never been on my
rate radar like I've seen it

934
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:14,840
once.
OK.

935
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,080
Stop wheezing on my grindage,
Mike.

936
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,400
If he's seen it once, it was
briefly on his radar.

937
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,920
No, it was below the radar.
I have more than just radar.

938
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,920
I also have sonar that covers
the lower stuff.

939
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,120
OK, well, last one happen.
He's walking away with this one,

940
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,600
but just for Rhode Island, Rhode
Island and Butch and Derek.

941
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,600
This one is an unofficial
tagline.

942
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,720
Open your eyes.
I know it might be you.

943
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,840
Nope happeny.
You play anything more modern on

944
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,920
the switch?
I think he's going to wait till

945
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,480
we get to this game in like 15
years.

946
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,800
It's it's either Breath of the
Wild or Tears of the Kingdom, I

947
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,640
can't remember which.
It's Breath of the Wild.

948
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,040
That game begins with Link
awake, awakening from like

949
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,600
thousands of years of slumber.
OK, well Hapney wins its handily

950
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,400
with the five points.
That was fun you guys.

951
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,200
Let's get back to our discussion
of Crystallis and wrap it up

952
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,400
with the joy cons.
So Mike, you had a rough time.

953
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,000
What else did you not like about
the game?

954
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,920
Checking the list Oh.
Yeah, it's a long one, I.

955
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,240
Don't know how to use items.
It's a little Yeah, I.

956
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:30,080
Selected items I thought I hit
buttons.

957
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Items didn't seem to do anything
like I tried to.

958
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,640
I cuz I picked up stuff for
being poisoned and stuff and I

959
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,520
could not get it to trigger.
Yeah, sometimes you have to.

960
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,160
Sometimes they activate with the
B button, the sense of the A

961
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,160
button.
It's not consistent, but I never

962
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,280
had a situation where I just
couldn't use it.

963
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,520
Did that ever happen to you?
Happening.

964
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,800
No.
Although I do, I do feel like

965
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,720
almost any, any time I went to
use it, I hit the wrong button

966
00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:59,120
first.
Yeah.

967
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,080
Like I don't know if if you had
magic equipped at the same time

968
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:09,000
as an item, if they just didn't
work or what, but yeah, I didn't

969
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,640
like that.
It wasn't very intuitive of what

970
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,360
the items did.
It's like antidote cures poison.

971
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,960
Lyme is petrification and things
like that, but it's like it.

972
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,160
It doesn't tell you that when at
the shop.

973
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,520
It's just like medical herb
antidote plant ring.

974
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,040
At least the manual did have
like a listing of all of it.

975
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Yeah, it's one of those games.
Did it?

976
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,600
Did it say what they did it say
what they did though?

977
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,640
Yeah, it had like a page on each
of like these are the different.

978
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,080
Each category of items had like
a page.

979
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,840
Oh well.
It even includes the quest

980
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,840
items, like you're gonna use
this to calm the angry sea.

981
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,880
So like, that was surprisingly
thorough, but I get what

982
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,040
happened.
He's saying it's like, I don't

983
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,280
know what a.
Fruit of Repune is.

984
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,440
It's a fruit that punes again.
There you go.

985
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,360
Yeah, I think not the
description part of it, which is

986
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,600
just always an issue.
And I think with a lot of these

987
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,120
where they expect you to have
the manual handy and so they

988
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,240
just didn't bother like as far
as things go, like at least

989
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,840
these were like full words,
which is better than some games

990
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,000
have been.
That's fair.

991
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,600
I don't hold it against it.
That's it's definitely not one

992
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,840
of my joy cons.
It was, it was just definitely

993
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,120
something that wasn't a pro
either.

994
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,000
Yeah.
But I was going to say, I think

995
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,600
I do think of some of this issue
really just sort of reflecting

996
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:32,240
that this is dealing with later
and NES not as not as later in

997
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:36,360
as it would get, but later in
NES where their ambitions have

998
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,920
start started to out scale what
the controller could do right?

999
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,600
Because this is that kind of
deal.

1000
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,320
We were like, oh, if this had
other additional buttons, a lot

1001
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,080
of this would be a lot less
frustrating.

1002
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,240
And I think that does kind of
reflect that.

1003
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:55,040
If you gave this same game an
SNES controller, a lot of this

1004
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,520
becomes a lot less frustrating
because that allows you to go OK

1005
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:02,440
I now have multiple buttons to
work with beyond 2.

1006
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,160
Yeah, it would have been amazing
if like you could use the

1007
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,720
trigger buttons to change to
your elemental sword.

1008
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,920
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, because happening.

1009
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,240
Why would that be nice?
Because you'll be in a small

1010
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:18,720
quarter and then you'll be
fighting 2 wyverns and one eyed

1011
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:22,600
spider, and one of them's not
damaged by fire and the other

1012
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,280
one's not damaged by wind and so
you're dodging too while trying

1013
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,680
to kill the other.
And then you have to change

1014
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,960
swords.
And it's annoying because to use

1015
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,880
the long range powered up magic
you have to also equip the right

1016
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,960
bracelet or Powerball and you
can't mix and match.

1017
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,720
Like I can't use the fire sword
with the Thunderball.

1018
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,800
That would have been cool.
That would have been, yeah, that

1019
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,960
would have been a really neat
mechanic.

1020
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,760
But all it does is that if you
have the wrong bracelet

1021
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,880
equipped, now you're limited to
your level 1 attack.

1022
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,680
And so essentially you are
changing swords a lot, which

1023
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,720
means that in the middle of
combat, you are seeing that menu

1024
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,040
and you're having to equip your
sword and your bracelet.

1025
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,000
Or in other words, like 4 extra
clicks that were totally

1026
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,160
unnecessary.
Like that kind of graded at me

1027
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,200
after a while.
And yeah, I don't know, I just

1028
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,920
kind of feel like the bosses are
kind of underwhelming a little

1029
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,440
bit.
Like, I kind of feel like they

1030
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,120
blew their budget on that first
giant bug fight because

1031
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,680
nothing's really that cool again
until the end of the game.

1032
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,960
Yeah, all the the all of the
bosses feel like the

1033
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,000
difficulties there for sure.
But yeah, they're they all just

1034
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,400
feel like mini bosses.
They just feel like a mini boss

1035
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,080
run.
Yeah, and then the final boss,

1036
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,160
like I said.
Dinah, I loved it.

1037
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,960
It was a whole a whole stage.
I loved it.

1038
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,320
And that's really cool too,
because like the perspective for

1039
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,000
the final boss, it's unlike any
other room in the rest of the

1040
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,600
game because it's like over the
shoulder kind of like you're

1041
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,480
seeing you're seeing down into
the room itself.

1042
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,280
And I just love anytime a boss
fight really sticks in my mind.

1043
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,240
I think this one's going to.
To me, that fight could have

1044
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:05,360
definitely been longer, yes.
It was giving you made the cool

1045
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,520
Nintendo comparisons.
It was giving like Mother Brain

1046
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,160
kind of vibes of like this big
actually it's kind of a brain

1047
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,200
shaped computer actually kind of
stuck on the wall there.

1048
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,680
Well guys, do you have any other
joy cons before we reach our

1049
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,920
verdict for tonight?
Oh, absolutely.

1050
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,360
Oh, you do have joy cons.
Yeah, I have a few.

1051
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,080
Get them off your chest happy.
I can tell it's weighing you

1052
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:25,320
down.
I've.

1053
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:31,280
Been waiting anything that flies
on this game.

1054
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,920
Yeah.
Any enemy that flies because it

1055
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,120
flies off screen and I don't
mind dodging.

1056
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,800
I don't mind the difficulty of
dodging something, but when it's

1057
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:47,840
off screen for 90% of the time
it's attacking you, it makes it

1058
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,160
very difficult to even.
It's just not.

1059
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,400
It's like now I'm just wasting
mana or items healing something

1060
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,560
that shouldn't even need to heal
because it's like a tiny little

1061
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,000
bath, but because it's flying
non-stop.

1062
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,880
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's
hard to hit.

1063
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,320
And it's also frustrating too,
because when your swords fully

1064
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,680
powered up, you don't want to
hold down charge for too long,

1065
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,440
otherwise you're doing your
giant attack and wasting magic

1066
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,480
points.
Your your tier 3 that was that

1067
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,800
was my next.
I feel like if I should be able

1068
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,200
to charge while I'm moving.
I like that you couldn't do that

1069
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,560
because I would move to prevent
it from going to Level 3 and

1070
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,080
wasting magic.
Which yes, so stopping it from

1071
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,640
to Level 3 is.
I get that, but then they should

1072
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,720
have just separated the bracelet
and the ball.

1073
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:36,320
Yeah.
So it's like, if I only want my

1074
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,600
sword to go up to level 2, I
should be able to have that

1075
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:43,200
option so I'm not wasting magic
just because it takes so long to

1076
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,080
charge your sword And when
you're running from three

1077
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,680
enemies that herald projectiles
and then something that flies.

1078
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,120
It's just, I, I get it.
It's, it's, it's a Nintendo game

1079
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,200
and it's difficult.
It's just, it was a, it was a

1080
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,120
qualm for me that wasn't
necessary.

1081
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,240
But I mean, if it's a designer's
choice, then that's fine.

1082
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,440
I didn't enjoy it.
The hitbox that Mike was talking

1083
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:10,080
about where it's like you should
have been facing that way to

1084
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,480
attack with your sword, but for
some reason you were not.

1085
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,920
Yeah, and it also has like some
Sprite tearing sometimes.

1086
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,840
Like it's not, it's not perfect.
Was there a way to see the

1087
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,280
invisible enemies?
There was this one cave, or a

1088
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,640
couple of caves where you'd see
their shadow on the ground.

1089
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,760
I don't know what that is and I
I couldn't even find it in the.

1090
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,280
Beastiary, right?
Like I was like, what is that?

1091
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,240
It's just a hole in the ground
that you can't.

1092
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,400
Attack.
I thought it was an invisible

1093
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,640
enemy and I would get glasses
and then be able to see them

1094
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,160
later.
That's what it felt like.

1095
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,280
I don't know, I just ran or flew
me.

1096
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,920
Too.
I don't have time to figure this

1097
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,360
out.
I'm too close to end game.

1098
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,640
I'm out.
I love the flying animation.

1099
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,520
We're just floating.
I don't know.

1100
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,520
And I mean, I'm getting back
into Joy Pros, but I like the

1101
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,280
flying, the hopping any time I'm
on a dolphin.

1102
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,280
And this game kind of felt like
it had dynamic movement.

1103
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,480
And again, it moves so well, but
stop being positive.

1104
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,040
Jeremy, I do sort of appreciate
that when your life is fairly

1105
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,280
low, your life bar looks like a
text lightsaber.

1106
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,760
Mike is grasping for pros here.
Anything else to complain about

1107
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,680
you guys?
Just just one and I'm done.

1108
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,120
I promise.
No, no, take your time.

1109
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,760
I want to hear it.
The Emperor 2 fight.

1110
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,760
Yeah, four shoot.
And then maybe this was my

1111
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,960
fault.
It took me two hours to figure

1112
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,280
out that I had to shoot him with
the Bow of Truth to get him in

1113
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,560
his final form.
Yeah.

1114
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,080
So I'm just attacking the
Emperor 2 and it's not a fight

1115
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,720
you can win.
Correct.

1116
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,160
And I'm like, I'm not even doing
damage to him, but sometimes it

1117
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,400
makes the tink sound and
sometimes it doesn't.

1118
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,120
I went around and round and
round, I was like, this has got

1119
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,960
to be close to the final boss.
I don't want to look up how to

1120
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,800
do it.
And then even after I looked up

1121
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,680
how to do it, I'm looking at
walkthroughs and they're doing

1122
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,160
the same thing I'm doing.
No, nobody knows.

1123
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,240
And then finally this one guy's
like, oh, no, I got to shoot him

1124
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,480
with this bow of truth.
I'm like, oh, that's what that's

1125
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,840
for.
And it's weird because like, you

1126
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,080
know, when you get it, you're
like, oh cool, I found a bow and

1127
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,560
arrow.
I finally have a long range.

1128
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,480
That's not my charge.
It doesn't do anything.

1129
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,440
I should have known because you
had to shoot those two statues

1130
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,200
with the other two bows, but it
was just so in the back of my

1131
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,720
mind, I wasn't thinking about
it.

1132
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,760
And then he gets in his final
form and it's like one of these

1133
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,640
your boss fights.
Yeah, yeah, he's not so bad once

1134
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,200
he transforms.
As long as you're good at

1135
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,360
dodging it's it's like OK.
The other form was way more

1136
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,080
difficult.
And like, you know, you

1137
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,800
mentioned that tink sound the
frustrating, I'm not doing any

1138
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,040
damage.
It really drove me nuts how like

1139
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,320
sometimes there'd be a purple
enemy in a cave and the fire

1140
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,000
would kill it and then a purple
enemy right next to it would

1141
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,120
tink with the fire sword.
It was like, I feel like we

1142
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,000
could have color-coded this and
saved me, saved me a lot of

1143
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,240
time.
Absolutely.

1144
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,400
All right, guys.
Well, I think if that settles

1145
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,200
it, we're going to move on to
the.

1146
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,920
End of the show here.
We've covered the Joy Pros, the

1147
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,560
Joy Cons, and every bit in
between.

1148
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:13,720
So it's time to declare
Crystallis as a Nintendo or a

1149
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,800
Nintendo Don't happening.
What's your verdict?

1150
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,120
I think it's a Super Nintendo.
I really do.

1151
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,640
It's not quite a 64.
It's it's not a perfect game by

1152
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:28,200
any means, but if you enjoy the
earlier Zelda games, I think

1153
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,520
it's going to scratch an itch
you didn't know you had.

1154
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,040
I That's the perfect way to say
it for me.

1155
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,200
I would like to say if you
didn't like the early Zelda

1156
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,680
games then this is going to be
in that same spot out as well.

1157
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,840
And that and that's fair.
It's definitely not for

1158
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,600
everybody.
That's why I didn't make it a

1159
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,840
64.
Yeah, so I, I for me, this is a

1160
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,760
Nintendo and I think a lot of
that frustration and things

1161
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,720
become like, Oh yeah, you really
need to be using it for a guide

1162
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,280
is kind of the same, the exact
same problem I had the original

1163
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,120
Zelda.
Well, Hapney and I overrule you

1164
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,760
because for me it's definitely a
Nintendo.

1165
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,440
I think this gets shortchanged
when it's described as just a

1166
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,800
Zelda clone, because to me it
combines everything I like about

1167
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:16,040
any as Zelda and a lot of the
cool things they added in Zelda

1168
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,600
2.
That's right, all the cool

1169
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,440
things from Zelda 2.
So this scratches A niche for

1170
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,040
me.
I think this is definitely one

1171
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,840
of the better top down RPGs I've
played.

1172
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,280
And you consider that this is an
NES game, it's even more

1173
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,040
impressive.
So I'm going to say just a solid

1174
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,000
Nintendo for me.
I think everyone here should

1175
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,120
check it out.
Well, that brings us here to the

1176
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,160
final verdict, which is a
Nintendo happening.

1177
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,920
Thank you so much for being with
us.

1178
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,600
It has been a long time coming
and it's been great talking to

1179
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,600
you.
Pleasure to be here man, this is

1180
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,240
a lot of fun and I appreciate
you having me.

1181
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,160
Let's do it again.
We got to do it again.

1182
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,840
We're doing it again.
Everyone join us next time.

1183
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,080
And we'll be wrapping up this
season of the old switcheroo

1184
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,800
with our 16th bit retrospective
season finale.

1185
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,440
We're going to have some awards
to pass out, some trivia

1186
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,360
questions to answer, and some
stars to wish upon.

1187
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,600
You're not going to want to miss
it.

1188
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,800
Also, don't forget to visit
www.theoldswitcharoo.com.

1189
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,280
There you can find links to our
Spotify, our YouTube, our

1190
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,080
Instagram, and all the social
medias you can shake a joystick

1191
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,040
at.
You can even leave an old timey

1192
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,120
voicemail, meaning we would
literally love to hear from you.

1193
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,400
Or even better, join the fun on
our Discord server where you can

1194
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,800
play games, talk games, and even
make a friend or two happen.

1195
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,320
He's in there, I'm in there,
Mike's in there.

1196
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,080
It's going to be a good time.
Big thanks to Crystal Fields for

1197
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,960
our incredible intro song, and
thank you, dear listener for

1198
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,520
liking, commenting, subscribing,
reviewing, and playing along

1199
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,840
with us every step of the way.
This has been the old switcheroo

1200
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,760
where we've been talking gaming
retro with Mike and Jamo.

1201
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,560
I've been Mike.
And I've been jamo game on

1202
01:02:47,560 --> 01:03:02,560
everyone.
This is the most interested my

1203
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,800
dad's ever going to have been in
the podcast because I have a

1204
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,520
train story now.
Well, at what capacity did you

1205
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,360
work for Norfolk Pacific?
So I was a conductor.

1206
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,320
Did I say it wrong, Mike?
I think actually it's it's

1207
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,040
Norfolk Pacific now.
Yeah, Mike.

1208
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,040
Not, not technically, but yeah,
they Norfolk just got bought out

1209
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,240
by Union Pacific, so we don't
know what they're going to do

1210
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,040
with it.
It's only going to be Norfolk

1211
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,240
Pacific if it's being named by
the same people that are now

1212
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,520
naming college football
conferences.

1213
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,640
That was a sports joke that I
did.

1214
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,280
Not get the PAC 12 has two teams
in it, Yeah.

1215
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,000
Berkeley is in the in the
Atlantic.

1216
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,240
The NFL is just as bad, though
Dallas is in the NFC East.

1217
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,560
Oh, I can't stand the NFC East.
I don't know what that is.

1218
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,520
You have.
I'm not your tribe when it comes

1219
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,160
to sports.
That's OK.