S3E14: The Ghosts 'n Goblins trilogy -or- History Doomed to Repeat Itself

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I don't know where my Genesis
could be.

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I haven't seen my Super Nintendo
since 2003.

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That's all right.
I don't mind.

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I've got a Switch in the old
Switch room.

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My friend Mike and Jamo too.
All right everyone, welcome back

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to the old Switcheroo where
we're talking gaming retro with

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Mike and Jamo.
I'm Mike.

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And I'm Jamo play along on our
epic quest to research and

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review all 300 plus games in the
Nintendo Classics catalog.

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Today we are spraying and
praying our way through Ghosts

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and Goblins for the NES, Ghouls
and Ghosts for the Sega Genesis,

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and Super Ghouls and Ghosts for
the Super Nintendo in an episode

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we are calling history doomed to
repeat itself.

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Now, Mike, I know what you're
thinking, right?

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Jamo sure is handsome and King
Arthur wasn't a real historical

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figure, right?
I'm not sure on the accuracy of

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either of those statements.
Well, you know something, I

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think it's no secret that
history is not my strong suit.

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We were also, you know, both in
Mr. Klipfeld's APUS history

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class.
You can vouch for that.

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But you know who is a legit
video game historian?

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Cyril Lachelle, founder and
proprietor of Defunct Games.

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Cyril, why don't you let our
listeners know all about who you

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are and what it is that you do?
Well, my name is Cyril.

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You may know me more as Defunct
Games.

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I started the website Defunct
Games back in 2001 and then like

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a decade later or so started a
YouTube channel with the same

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thing.
We look at a lot of it started

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out looking at old games, but
these days I do a lot of modern

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reviews, but also we like to
look at a lot of old school

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magazines.
That's kind of our bread and

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butter these days is looking
through kind of flipping through

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the pages of old, old reviews
and and things like that.

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The more wheat we peel this
onion.

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You're going to find out about
me.

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I don't know what you want me to
say, but I will say that I'm

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excited to talk about ghosts and
goblins, ghouls and ghosts and

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super ghouls and ghosts because
I definitely have a preference.

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Yeah, I, I think we all do.
What I love about your site and

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you and your mission is that you
hear a lot about video game

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preservation, right?
But I think you're providing

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this extremely vital service in
preserving and archiving and

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documenting video game
journalism.

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I mean, you've shared on our
Discord recently some of the

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ridiculously risque ways gaming
publications used to be

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advertised.
But as someone who's documented

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this industry for decades, is
there something about retro

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gaming that you kind of miss in
modern times?

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I look, I'm not somebody who
looks at nostalgia as like this

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thing I want to go back to.
I love that there are these old

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games and then I can, you know,
I have a nostalgia forum and I

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can go back and play them.
But I think I honestly do think

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this is a, you know, despite
some problems with the industry,

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I do think that this is kind of
a golden age of gaming,

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especially when it comes to the
amount of stuff that we're

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getting both from AAA
publishers, but also from, you

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know, the Indies and sort of the
rise of smaller games.

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There's just a breadth of of
types of games that we never

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would have gotten 30 years ago.
And I think that's one of the

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things that I love about going
back and looking at the

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juxtaposition between like the
old magazine reviews, you know,

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the old electronic E monthly and
stuff like that versus where we

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are now.
And you know, it's, it's fun

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looking back, but I don't want
to, I don't want to go back.

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You can never go home again.
I know a lot of people do.

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I know because it was a simpler
time and games were games and

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stuff like that.
But I mean, if you look at there

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is just a lot of fun and going
back and, you know, we spent a

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lot of time looking at old
reviews specifically on both the

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website and the YouTube channel.
And this will date us.

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But one of the newest Nintendo
classics that came out was Mario

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Paint.
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Which to a certain generation of
kids is just this unassailable

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classic.
But I think that if, you know

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it's fun is looking back at the
reviews and saying that it was a

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lot more polarizing back in the
day.

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There were critics that
genuinely hated it.

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I.
Love someone having a hot take

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on Mario Paint.
You know, and that's true of so

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many classics.
You go back and look at, you

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know, the reviews of Earthbound
or Star Tropics or there are a

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lot of other ones where, you
know, yeah, there are a couple

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of reviews that gave it nines
or, or eights, but some of them,

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you know, were threes and fours.
Some of the the magazines really

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hated it.
And it's, it's fun looking back

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at those and seeing what the
reviews said, what the critics

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said, and also what the the
people, the readers were saying

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at the time.
And we we do a lot of that of

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the channel and and of course
the the defunct games website.

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All good.
So awesome.

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Well, guys, I don't think
Princess Prin Prin or Guinevere

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or whatever her name is, I don't
think she's going to save

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herself.
Are we ready to get medieval on

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some ass?
Let's do it.

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Ready, Mike?
Yep.

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Mike's excited for this one.
Oh well, this is the very first

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game I know Mike's had a rough
time with, and if you follow our

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TikTok, you know that too.
Let's dive in with Ghosts in

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Goblins on the NES, released in
1986 as described on Nintendo

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Classics.
Take on the role of the night,

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Sir Arthur, and delve into the
realm of demons and monsters to

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rescue your girlfriend, the
Princess.

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Choose your weapons wisely and
take advantage of their

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strengths to deal with the
situation at hand.

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Defeat the main boss at the end
of each level and pass through

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the gate to stand between you
and Astaroth.

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Teach him a lesson in chivalry
he'll never forget.

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The stage for adventure is set.
Are you brave enough for the

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challenge?
Somebody got paid to write that.

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Yeah, and this predates AI's
rise.

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I think someone wrote that
paragraph.

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So let's take a look at the
Boxer, since I was having

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people's first impressions on
the NES Boxer.

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We have Arthur, front and
center, about to toss a javelin.

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Looming behind him, you have
most of the enemies from the

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game snaring or sneering
ominously.

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Mike, I'm gonna guess you like
this cover.

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It's just solid cover.
Granted, there's a part of this

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where I'm distracted by like the
grid in the background.

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Yeah, the red and blue grid,
which?

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That's pretty common with all of
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on the NES, unfortunately.
I figured it was it just it has

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A to me a Tron vibe.
Sure, definitely on the cover.

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I like that it captures how dumb
his jumps look with one arm out

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in front.
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It's just the growing completely
vulnerable.

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That's something I think we all
experience.

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I don't know though.
I like, it's pretty colorful.

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I I like that you kind of get
the visual styling of the game.

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Cyril also a fan.
Yeah, no, I I like this cover a

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lot.
Did you know that when this was

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released in Europe on the
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over there, just the NES version
over there was called Ghost and

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Goblins, Not Ghosts.
It has a typo.

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Oh, we didn't just get more
ghosts.

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Yeah, it was just one ghost, but
a bunch of goblins.

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They're followed up by, Oops,
Nothing but ghosts.

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Yeah, oops, all goblins.
Sorry, but you know the story

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behind it.
Do I know the story?

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Oh, I thought you.
I thought you had the story.

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Oh, no, I I think that I think
someone just made a mistake

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because all the other versions,
the Commodore 64 and the the

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Amstrad and Amiga and whatnot,
it all says ghosts and goblins

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on that one.
I just think someone made a

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mistake, but I'm sure someone
will correct us in the comments.

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Oh, please do.
This is probably influenced by

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other games, but looking at how
they spaced the writing on this

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cover of Ghosts and Goblins, my
brain reads this as Ghosts and

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Goblins.
Like there's an ING there that

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we've shortened to just an
apostrophe N, which is a

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completely valid thing for any
game to do.

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Like cruising, yes.
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And I like the idea of verbing
the first part.

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Sure, So let's get to it here.
This game was directed by Tokoro

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Fujiwada.
Fujiwada, excuse me, We enjoyed

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his work in our last episode.
Or more accurately, I enjoyed

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his work on our last episode
when we covered Mega Man 2.

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We will see him again when we
cover ghosts and goblin spin

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offs, Gargoyle's Quest and
Demon's Crest.

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But not Gargoyle's Quest 2 Right
Cyril?

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It's not on, not on there for
some reason, not on the Nintendo

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classics.
Yeah, come on, Nintendo.

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It should be.
Yeah, it's weird to have the

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gap.
It's a great game.

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It reminds me how Sonic the
Hedgehog 2 is on the Genesis

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emulator.
But not one right?

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And it's just like.
But also, let's not let's not

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jump over the the director
there.

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He put out a lot of bangers,
like just a couple of, you know,

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like around the same time, he
not only made Bionic Commando in

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the arcade, but he made the
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which is the one that people
like.

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And he had just a, a bunch of
big hits around that time.

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And let's not forget the the
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Ghosts series was one of
Capcom's biggest games in that

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era.
This was before Mega Man and

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Street Fighter really, really
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Yeah, actually, Wikipedia
considers Ghosts and Goblins one

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of the best video games ever
made, having imported to over a

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dozen different home computers
in the late 80s, as well as

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meeting the somewhat arbitrary
requirement of being included in

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an editor's best of the list
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I don't know why Wikipedia needs
it to be 6.

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Why not 5?
Not Why not 7?

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Well, yeah, that's a weird
arbitrary number.

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Right, But so the publications
that put this on their best of

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list included Hyper Magazine,
IGN, G4 TV, Zhu Video, Popular

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Mechanics, and the Spanish
version of Gentleman's Quarterly

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Serial.
Any hot takes on the video game

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coverage in Popular Mechanics
magazine?

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I have not archived that one
yet.

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No.
Now I kind of want, I've

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archived A Maxim and Blender.
So, but that's, I like hyper up

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there.
I recognize that cover.

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That's a that's a Australian
publication.

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Of course, I think we really
need to say this, that the

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version that they're talking
about is not the NES version of

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Ghosts and Goblins.
Right, it's not the best version

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you could.
Get no no they they are

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specifically naming the arcade
game the best one or the the the

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best because the arcade games
great.

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Did either of you 2 play the
arcade game?

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I did.
It is as I was telling Mike, and

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I think I mentioned to you in
the Discord, you know, I

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downloaded the original arcade
as DLC for the Capcom Arcade

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Stadium.
OK, so pretty recently.

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Yeah, yeah.
And you know, we'll kind of get

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into it when we go over the
gameplay, but very, very

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superior version.
Oh yeah.

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The NES version has a pretty
interesting instruction manual,

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in that the cover has a
character from a different game

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entirely.
Mike, you know what I'm

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referring to.
I'm not remembering it.

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Yeah, the Captain Commando
Challenge series.

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It was this weird marketing
brand added to Capcom home

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releases including Mega Man from
our last episode, World War 2

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biplane shooter 1942 and the
Co-op Disney platformer Mickey's

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Mascapade.
And I don't know, that tickled

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me.
It's like, I've this was from

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before an era where like Disney
was that protective of their IP

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that they would have a Captain
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But like now because of like
public domain, we've kind of

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come back around to something
similar.

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So like Mickey's kind of on the
table again.

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I don't know.
Siri, you made a noise.

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Were you familiar with the
Captain Commando Challenge

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series?
Absolutely no.

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I I you, you you reference, of
course, that he did eventually

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get his own beat em up brawler
game Captain Commando, which is

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a great, you know, a great game.
It's technically connected to

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the final fight series.
It's technically a sequel, but I

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love that.
Like not a lot of people

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remember that he he was
represented in these old

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instruction manuals and on the
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He, he shows up all over the
place and I think it's because

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Capcom wanted to be associated.
They wanted that name to stick

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with people.
And so they, they, I don't know,

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they, they created this
character which had its name in

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it, so.
You just blew my mind, Captain

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Commando.
Capcom.

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I didn't.
OK, Mike, you saw that.

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Did you not know that?
Neither did Mike.

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He's just trying to impress.
You, I, I had it before it was

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told because I just kind of
didn't register that there's a

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lot of things that are in this
game that I don't that I didn't

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know were in this game.
So I hadn't identified it as a

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separate thing.
So once I'm told Capcom created

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it, and then I'm looking at
like, I see what we did here.

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Yeah, well, I didn't see what we
did there, but let's get into

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this game here.
Ghosts and Goblins, What's our

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histories with the game and how
far did we get?

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So Serial can we start with you?
Well, I'll tell you, I've beaten

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all three of these games and not
recently, but I I've definitely,

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and that's no easy task.
One thing got to know about me

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is that I'm a big horror fan.
I've always been a big horror

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fan, even when I was a kid.
And so, you know, this sort of,

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you know, 1985, I was what, 7,
you know, this, this kind of

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game and Castlevania and
anything I could get that had

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ghosts and goblins and Dracula
or any, anything I was into.

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And I loved this arcade game.
Bought the, the, the NES

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cartridge and it was OK, but
loved the arcade game.

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And then, you know, part of that
may be that it was just that was

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the arcade game at the
godfathers.

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And I was always at the
Godfathers because apparently

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that's where we went on Fridays.
So I played a lot of this as a

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kid.
Did you beat it in the arcade?

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No, that is the you need.
You need a lot of money to beat

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in the arcade.
Yeah.

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No, this is a game that is
designed to steal your quarters.

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Absolutely, yeah, MM knows we'll
get into it.

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So Mike, you were streaming this
for our channel and for our

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Discord.
Had you played it before?

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No.
And in fact, actually really up

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until this, this is going to
finally resolve a problem that I

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have had in my brain for many,
many years, which is ghosts and

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goblins and ghouls and ghosts
confuse the heck out of me

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because I can't keep track what
the heck's what, but not because

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this was a game that I did not
have contact with.

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And so I've had a long standing
just where it's like I confuse

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the games or wonder if they're
different games, if it's just

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being talked about because like
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And it's because it's an odd
level of we've done another game

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in the franchise and we've just
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which I feel like games used to
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like Star Wars did this with
like dark forces, then you get

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into like dark forces to
something else.

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Then it just kind of keeps
rotating through words.

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And so this one, I think after
this I will finally keep track

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that Ghosts and Goblins is the
first thing and then ghouls and

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ghosts followed it up and not be
confused of which, you know,

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thinking that I'm thinking the
wrong name or I'm thinking of a

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different game or whatever, or,
you know, unrelated game.

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I I do see what you mean, kind
of because this is officially

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like on the Internet.
The ghosts and goblins series,

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sure, but the ghouls and ghosts
label those.

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That two word combination has
been used way more.

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You think so?
No.

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Well, let's see here.
I mean they it was followed by

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ultimate Ghosts and Goblins and
Ghosts and Goblins resurrected.

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So in 2006 and 2021, I think the
Ghosts and Goblins has it by

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what's it 3:00 to 2:00, right?
I guess so, huh?

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I mean you're not wrong, it just
the G&G franchise.

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The G and the GGGG game guys.
Or we should just go back to

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what they called it in Japan,
which has a name that no one can

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pronounce.
Or I'm not going to take a stab

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at.
I can, I have, I just I'm not

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going to now.
I kind of want you to now so

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this game when when we agreed to
do this episode, Sarah was nice

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enough to warn the discord.
Hey, you got to beat these games

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twice.
Just so you know, before you

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decide to do all three in an
episode, you have to beat all

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three twice.
So first of all, in Ghosts and

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Goblins, if you reach the last
boss without the shield, you get

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this message.
Mike, would you mind reading the

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screen for our listeners?
This weapon has not effect.

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Try again, get A and.
Then a picture of the shield.

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Which you couldn't get in the
first playthrough.

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Just for the ref for reference.
Right.

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And then if you make it back to
the end of the game with the

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shield, this time you're treated
to this message.

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So would you mind?
Oh, sorry.

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And you beat the boss using the
shield.

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After the last boss dies, you
get this message, Cyril.

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Oh boy, is that what is that
word?

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Oh, is it hard to read on your
screen?

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I'm sorry.
It's hard to read on any screen.

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I think I know where he's stuck.
This room is an illusion.

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I do that without you.
Hold on.

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This room is an illusion and is
a trap.

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What?
For our audio listeners, he's

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stuck because there's a so huge.
Typo.

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Devil, devil, whatever.
By Satan, Go ahead dauntlessly.

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Make rapid progress.
Make rapid progress.

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I think it's divisive.
Yeah.

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Is that a U or AV or no It's.
You go back far, far enough,

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like it's impressive.
That's so bad that I don't think

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anyone then notices that
progress is misspelled, but in a

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way that is not phonetically
important.

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I did not even see that Progress
was also misspelled.

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My wife I think cracked the code
I had her read.

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It's like, oh babe, what word is
this?

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She thinks it's a misspelling of
the word devised.

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Oh yeah, it's supposed to be
devised.

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OK.
Devised by See, I didn't even

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get there.
I didn't even get there.

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Oh yeah, no, I don't know how
they got to that.

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I it's like I'm looking like.
I don't know how you messed up

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in that way.
Wow.

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Oh look, there's not enough.
There's not enough English or

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text in these games early,
especially in the first game

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where they needed to hire a, you
know, somebody to localize it.

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So they probably just did it in
house and this is what they came

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up with.
Honestly, this feels as I think

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about it because D&T are
actually fairly close

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phonetically.
The word devised is spelled

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DEVISUT on the screen, just for
the record.

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OK.
Please, please continue, Mike.

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Yeah, I I think it actually is a
or maybe I thought it might have

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been AV, but I'm in any case,
what I suspect happened is the

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person who actually wrote down
the letters that should go in

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did something like called
someone to be like.

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What is the English for this?
Yeah.

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And so I think the person who's
actually like this is what this

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should be in English, only
communicated it verbally.

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Probably, yeah.
And then someone else try

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attempted a transcription on it.
I mean this is par for the

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chorus for the mid 80s.
Well, just the difference of

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versus someone like in writing
being like I wrote down the

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letters you should put in
exactly.

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So before we lose the plot
entirely, the point is that you

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need to get to the last boss of
this game and then go back to

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levels to get the shield to kill
the last boss, only to learn

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that the last boss is actually
an illusion.

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And you are told to, as Cyril
said, make rapid progress as the

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game sends you back to level 1.
Right.

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And you now have to go all the
way back through the game

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keeping the shield.
Yeah, to kill the last boss and

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get the message.
Congratulation.

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And that is not me being
problematic.

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That is how it is spelled.
This story is happy end.

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Thank you being the wise and
courage your knight that you

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are, feelings that I can't even
do it.

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And courage your knight that you
are, you feel strong, welling in

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your body.
Return to starting point

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challenge again.
So 0 you saw when you beat it in

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arcade, Do you remember it being
this badly trans?

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Like I said, I I did not beat it
in the arcade.

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I beat it.
I beat it at home, but I don't

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even.
I wonder if you go back, I

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wonder if this is the same in
the arcade now that I now that I

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look at it, yeah.
I didn't beat the arcade boat,

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but you nintended beat it on the
NES back in the day I mean.

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Thank you.
I beat it on the OR in the the

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and I guess I did technically
years later in with Mame beat in

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the arcade, but I mean that's
unlimited quarters.

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Not back in the day.
I who has that amount of money,

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right?
Yeah.

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And, and, and like I said, this
is a game that was designed to

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steal your quarters, right down
to the fact that it's like you,

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you beat it once, you got to
beat it again.

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Get it back there loser.
From defunct games.

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Well like you have to put in the
old clip now, otherwise I just

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sound like a jerk.
That was a reference to an

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earlier joke Cyril had made
using rewind though.

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I nintended beat the NES game.
How?

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Many computer.
Now Mike, have you changed your

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ways?
I listened to the first episode

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and you were against save States
and rewinding.

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Do you?
Are you still anti rewinding?

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I'm still not using those.
And then there's also the other

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part, which is certainly for
like platformers.

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I'm just not good.
Sure.

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So like I went into this
already, like we'll see how far

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I get and I don't expect to beat
any of these.

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And so after a few hours, I had
gotten initially very stuck on

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the second level where there's
that building that you have to,

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like, work your way up through
the building and then over and

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then back down.
And those enemies were just

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wrecking me.
And I I don't know how I'm

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supposed to do that level
correctly.

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Yeah.
Memorization.

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Well, because they they move
around in a way that I could not

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It it seemed to be influenced by
where I was, but not in a way

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that I could easily control.
And they take a lot to kill and

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they move so fast that if I get
into the same levels and they

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will kill me.
So I had just about written it

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off and then I went and checked
out a speed run on this and then

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realized, oh, wait, I can, I can
work with this, which is the

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upper right corner of that
building.

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You can get a damage boost to go
over the wall.

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So instead of having to work
down the ladders, because I

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would get there once or twice
and like going through that,

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like I had one, one good run
that I reached the boss and then

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died quickly.
It was like, OK, but after this

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building I can do all right.
I just can't handle this

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building.
And so when I discovered the

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damage boost was like, OK, this,
this gets me past the part that

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is wrecking me.
Right.

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And then I finally reached the
end bosses and beat them and the

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timer hit zero and I died as the
key was falling.

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Which made for one of my
favorite Tik Toks I've ever

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made.
Like, I don't know if you, I

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don't know if you've checked it
out, but it's brutal.

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Yeah.
And so basically I looked at

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that and went, OK, you know
what, I'm taking this like I

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00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,920
tried once or a couple times
more to see if I could actually

447
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,000
get through, but then I don't
like sure, you know, this isn't

448
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,440
stopping me from seeing credits
or something, right?

449
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,200
The only thing that was going to
change was that I would now be

450
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,000
on a next level that I don't
think like I already have seen

451
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,520
that in this video.
I'm like, I'm not getting, I'm

452
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,760
not beating this game.
I'm just taking this as no, I'm

453
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,640
counting this as I beat the
second stage and that's that's

454
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,440
where this ends.
That's where your game, that's

455
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,800
where your ghosts and goblins
ends, Yeah.

456
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,560
I, I, I think it's important to
remember that this game is

457
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,160
trolling you and not just this
game, this entire series.

458
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,640
And, and we've already, we've
already discussed it a little

459
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,080
bit when it comes to, you know,
you have to beat it twice.

460
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,840
But also the fact that like
enemies spawn when you're on the

461
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,120
ladder, you know, in such a way
that they are ready to kill you

462
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,560
or there's, and this is in all
three of them.

463
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,480
There are chests that you can
open up where you'll get turned

464
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,680
into a duck or a little baby or
into an old man and, and things

465
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,120
like that.
This, this game, these games are

466
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,360
specifically trolling you.
They they are.

467
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,440
They are laughing at your
misery.

468
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,600
So let's get into some joy Pros.
Let's say what we like about the

469
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,960
game because I we know Mike had
a rough time with it and like

470
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,760
Cyril said, the game is almost
daring you to have fun.

471
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,160
Yeah, it's like it's definitely
against you.

472
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,600
Which incidentally is what I
kind of like about the cover is

473
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,040
that I feel like it gave a
really good sense that you are

474
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,400
going to be overwhelmed in this
game.

475
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,160
Definitely.
It is almost impossible odds,

476
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,960
but I think you know, that does
kind of add something.

477
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,920
It almost endears you to the
protagonist more.

478
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,680
Cyril, what do you like about
ghosts and goblins?

479
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,120
Well, OK, this first game, this
of the three we're going to talk

480
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,080
about, this is my least
favorite, and it's partially

481
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,920
because it's the oldest, but
also.

482
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,080
But look, the nice thing is that
it lays the groundwork.

483
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,040
We we find out right from the
get go that Sir Arthur is pretty

484
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,400
terrible at dating.
I mean, he takes the Princess on

485
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,160
a picnic to the cemetery of all
places.

486
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,480
I think that's historically
accurate.

487
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,120
Possibly.
Was it?

488
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,520
I think cemeteries were used
more for that kind of stuff in

489
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,440
the past.
Huh.

490
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,320
All right, well, I will.
I will default to your your

491
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:18,040
knowledge, but I like that like
that it shows you where you are

492
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,040
like between levels.
Like it's just like it's a it's,

493
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,360
it's just an on running thing
that you need.

494
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,240
It's not like separated into
levels.

495
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,880
It's it just feels like it's one
world that you're running

496
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,920
through.
I like, yeah, the, the little,

497
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,240
the little map there.
And I like that.

498
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,640
I think all three of them
continued with that.

499
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,160
Yeah, after you die, you see a
map of the whole Kingdom and

500
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,280
your progress towards the evil
castle.

501
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,080
And they do a pretty good job of
representing what each one looks

502
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,240
like in the little the little
picture there.

503
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,120
Yeah, yeah, I like that too.
And I especially like that

504
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,200
because we didn't play two
player mode for this podcast,

505
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,880
but when you're taking turns
with your brother or else is on

506
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,280
the couch, like, you know, you'd
see how far they are through the

507
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,680
Kingdom and then where you are.
And it sort of felt like this

508
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,880
turn based race because like you
said, this game's really tough.

509
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,760
So you're constantly dying, but
you're making a little bit of

510
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,520
progress.
Can you get to the end of the

511
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,400
castle before the other player?
It's definitely a cool map the

512
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:22,640
first few times you see it.
Like mostly a positive.

513
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,920
I wish it was skippable and I'm
glad it would become skeptical

514
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,440
because you see it a whole lot
when you're dead.

515
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,520
For sure.
But so I always loved as a kid,

516
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,720
I loved this in the Genesis
version we'll talk about next.

517
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600
But then, like Cyril said, this
is laying the groundwork.

518
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,440
There are elements of the Ghosts
and Goblin series that they got

519
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,880
right the very first time.
And I really always loved the

520
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,400
animation of you get hit and
your armor blows off and now

521
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,720
you're in your tighty whities.
Or as later games will have it,

522
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,120
the heart-shaped boxers.
And like, I thought that was so

523
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,400
funny as a kid, but I also feel
like it does add tension.

524
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,080
It does make you feel more
vulnerable because you're

525
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,320
looking at your main character
in his underwear like this is.

526
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,160
And so then when you defeat a
boss in your freaking underwear,

527
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,520
it's like, am I just crazy or is
this the very first let me solo

528
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,160
her like that was like Mike, are
you familiar with PC gamers?

529
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,000
2022 Gamer of the year?
No, So this is a legendary Elden

530
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,880
Ring player.
We I've talked before about how

531
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,400
you can join other players in
that game and assist them.

532
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,680
And so this player became so
proficient at killing the

533
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,840
hardest boss in the game that he
could do it in his underwear

534
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,120
with a pod on his head.
And that was it.

535
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,240
But I think Ghosts and Goblins
is visually, aesthetically

536
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,440
pretty cool, pretty cute, kind
of everything feels like a toy

537
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,320
kind of version of it that would
kind of want to.

538
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,920
Collect and I also I like the
the enemy designs.

539
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,280
I think the, well, Castlevania
definitely went towards trying

540
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,280
to mimic, you know, horror
films, especially like the old

541
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,560
Universal films with
Frankenstein and Dragon and

542
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,080
stuff like that.
I like that this kind of went in

543
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,840
a different direction where, you
know, they had some fun.

544
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,960
Like, I mean, even in this
picture that we're looking at

545
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,320
right now, there's like, I don't
know what that flying thing is,

546
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,440
but it always reminded me of
like a hot dog.

547
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,120
Yeah.
And, you know, and it had, yeah,

548
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,880
it had a gargoyle, famously one
that had a spin off.

549
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,720
But I, I don't know, I think
that throughout, you know, and

550
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,880
we'll get into some of those.
I don't know what pictures you

551
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,480
have for, for ghouls and ghosts
and, and super ghouls and

552
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,960
ghosts, but some of those
character designs, those boss

553
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,800
designs are amazing.
Yeah.

554
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,760
This feels closer to fantasy
than horror, even though the

555
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,280
title makes you kind of think of
it as more horror, but this is

556
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,120
definitely more fantastical in
it.

557
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,480
Sure.
Certainly the one things you

558
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,960
call hot dogs.
I think the speedrunner term has

559
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,280
become burrito.
Oh, let's see, you know they're

560
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,560
all a sandwich.
Yeah, they have.

561
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,640
They all end up in the food
realm.

562
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,400
I mean, there's a fine line
between fantasy and horror, and

563
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:15,880
I I'm one who gives horror a
wide berth of what you know,

564
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,880
what is horror.
I mean, if Silence of the Lambs

565
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,040
can be horror, then certainly
fantasy can be horror too.

566
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,640
Yeah, I don't think horror has
to be scary.

567
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,360
No, I agree with you.
In fact, a lot of horror isn't

568
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,520
scary.
Right.

569
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,800
But like, I remember as a kid
first interacting with the

570
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,240
series and like, I was, I was a
little kid, you know, I was like

571
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,640
maybe 5-6 years old.
I was relieved that the games

572
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,840
weren't scary because I enjoy
this aesthetic.

573
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,680
Yeah, but you know, but I didn't
at the time, I wasn't really

574
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,000
into, like, scary, scary or
gory.

575
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,120
Mike, you like the aesthetic
too?

576
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,080
I think you said that in our
Mega Man episode.

577
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Yeah, no, this is definitely an
aesthetic I enjoy.

578
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,280
And usually with music that I
enjoy, like it, like it, all of

579
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,720
that really helps.
Situations where I played parts

580
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,920
of this game a lot, like if I
was going to be going through

581
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,240
the same level for like an hour,
it needed to have that.

582
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,480
And you know, you said the music
like the the ghosts and goblins

583
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,680
theme that carries over through
the whole series, it's just

584
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,480
timeless.
It's a banger.

585
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,600
Like shut up, Ayako Mori.
I just Mike, you said you saw a

586
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,960
rock band that played ghosts and
goblins music, didn't you?

587
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:32,280
I I may well have.
OK, to quote another Christopher

588
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,000
Guest movie, he doesn't remember
much.

589
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,840
Well, I just think this music is
so good, even back here in the

590
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,240
little chiptune, you know, NES
days.

591
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,000
I just think the game sounds
cool.

592
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,760
I think the game looks cool,
especially for, you know, what

593
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,520
it was back in the day, who what
it was competing against.

594
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,840
I'm not surprised that's stuck
in people's minds.

595
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,320
For sure.
Yeah, OK, yeah, Super madness.

596
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,720
Is the band that plays the
Ghouls and ghosts?

597
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:03,640
Yeah.
See.

598
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,800
See, Mike, I listen more than
you think I do.

599
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,360
And you've seen them live
though, and they were cool.

600
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,960
Yes.
And I think the people genuinely

601
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,920
should play Ghosts and Goblins.
I just don't think they should

602
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,880
play this version of Ghosts and
Goblins.

603
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000
I think they should play the
arcade version because it's

604
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,560
faster, it plays better, it's
obviously much better looking.

605
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,600
But I mean, you know, the, the,
the version that was made for

606
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,000
the Nintendo Entertainment
System was made by Micronics,

607
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:40,040
who had also famously screwed up
1942 for Capcom like a year or

608
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,000
two earlier.
What was wrong with that one?

609
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840
It's slow and it it doesn't play
real well.

610
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,520
It's kind of slight.
The scrolling's real bad because

611
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,880
it was an early NES game.
It's real flickery.

612
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,920
This is the last job they had
for Capcom, and they went on to

613
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,280
work for SNK and made the Bakari
Warriors one and two and Athena

614
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,760
ports for SNK.
But I think that after this,

615
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,000
Capcom just as a, as a whole
realize that they couldn't just

616
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,920
do the same thing.
They couldn't just port the

617
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,960
arcade game over, but they
actually had to reinvent it.

618
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,960
And I think that you, you saw
that with like Bionic Commando

619
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,239
and a few other games that even
Strider.

620
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,239
I don't like the the NES version
of Strider very much, but I mean

621
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,360
it's a completely different game
from the arcade.

622
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,280
Well, and so let's get into the
joy cons, because it's not just

623
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,920
that ghosts and goblins is hard
is that it's buggy.

624
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,960
As I'll get out.
It's Mike had mentioned.

625
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Mike taught me that the Mario
flicker is when enemies will

626
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,840
flicker to control the number of
sprites that are technically on

627
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,520
the screen at any one time.
But it flickers so fast your eye

628
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,800
knows where they are the whole
time.

629
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,920
It's just like they're they're
almost transparent.

630
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:57,960
This game is the term Sprite
tearing, where entire pieces of

631
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,880
a Sprite start to go missing.
Yeah, that sounds right.

632
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,440
Yeah, so this, that's this game
solution to prevent like a crash

633
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,640
and to keep the game running.
So I'm showing them a picture of

634
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,920
the worst one that I found in my
run, which is the big, they're

635
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,480
called Big man.
The troll enemy is visible only

636
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,960
as a floating head.
There's a demon with no head.

637
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,960
There's a demon with no torso.
Yeah, I have.

638
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,200
His body's missing there.
And Arthur is visible only

639
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,280
through the top of his cap and
but all the hit boxes are still

640
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,080
intact like.
A lot of the.

641
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,320
Deaths.
You say this game is trolling

642
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,520
you, Cyril, but it feels like it
was trolling me also through

643
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,960
like bad programming.
Mike, would you agree?

644
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,840
I'm not sure how much of it
falls into what I'd consider bad

645
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,640
programming and how much is
just.

646
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,840
Hardware limitation.
Yeah.

647
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Well, like you said, it's 19
what, 1986 this came out, yeah.

648
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,920
That's only a year after the
arcade version, which came out

649
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:02,280
around, you know, the later half
of the later half of of 1985,

650
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,040
around the same time as Super
Mario Brothers.

651
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,840
And I just think that there are
a lot of companies, especially

652
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,680
those, you know, those ones that
were porting arcade games that

653
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,160
didn't quite grasp what you
could do with the hardware.

654
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,400
And years later, as they added
chips to the cartridges and

655
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,240
whatnot, it would become easier
to, you know, to recreate some

656
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,520
of these things.
And there's better ports of

657
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,720
this.
I mean, there's a better port on

658
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:34,240
a handheld system.
But yeah, it's just the problem

659
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,920
is it's, it's early and it's,
it's just not one of Capcom's

660
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,400
best ports.
Yeah.

661
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:45,440
I think I had because I was
redoing level 2 a lot and right,

662
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,400
because you kind of, you run
past like kind of would be like

663
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,720
a haunted house with things that
come out the windows and really

664
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:58,800
the Resident Evil of its time.
And then there's like a bit of

665
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,720
water to jump over.
And I had on more than one

666
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:07,280
occasion come short on the jump
and landed like 1/2 step down

667
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,120
the wall and then been able to
just continue to jump to jump

668
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,040
again and get back up.
And it's like, I appreciate this

669
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,720
is happening.
It shouldn't be happening.

670
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,840
But I'm a right now.
This one's coming out net me,

671
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,040
but I think I had one of those
happened where it's like I

672
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,080
crouched on an edge or
something.

673
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,600
It was like, I'm not dead yet.
And then as soon as I stood up,

674
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,560
I fell and it was like, that
isn't how this should work.

675
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,320
This is there's a very wily
coyote kind of feel to some of

676
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,040
the gravity in that.
It's very janky.

677
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,400
Yeah, But I will also say,
though, that I think there was

678
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,200
just some bad ideas in this
game, like, so needing a

679
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,840
specific weapon to beat the
game, the shield is actually

680
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,600
kind of a cool weapon because
it's the only projectile that

681
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,240
you can fire that will absorb
enemy projectiles.

682
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,600
Yeah, so you can use it like a
shield.

683
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,280
And like, I don't know if I've
ever played a shooter that had

684
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,880
that function in.
And I was like, this is cool,

685
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,280
but a lot of the weapons are
just bad.

686
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,560
The torch with its little fire,
it creates this little AOE

687
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,480
effect, but you can't throw
another torch until the fire on

688
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,280
the ground has dissipated.
So it's a frantic shooter.

689
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,280
Have fun shooting every other 3
seconds almost.

690
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,640
And then, you know, the dagger,
or is this booklet calls it the

691
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,320
sword, but it's a, it's a knife.
We can all see it's a knife.

692
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,040
Yeah.
Everyone agrees through all

693
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,080
three games, that is the weapon
of choice.

694
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,120
It is the only weapon that can
kill certain monsters fast

695
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,160
enough to avoid getting hit.
But what this game will do to

696
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,040
you a lot is that it'll put a
weapon you don't want, like a

697
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,320
power up that now suddenly you
want to avoid and oh, it's right

698
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,560
at the foot of a ladder I need
to climb.

699
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,200
It's trolling.
You it's got a lot of deaths for

700
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,520
that reason.
So I don't know if it's just

701
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,560
harder limitations.
I do think and and they figured

702
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,960
it out, kind of.
I believe also there's that

703
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,000
certain weapons don't work on
certain bosses.

704
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,840
Yes.
Which is mean.

705
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,680
I think from what I gathered
from this paper and was added to

706
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,160
this like that wasn't a ported
over thing.

707
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,880
Yeah, and the last boss is
tougher to kill in the NES 2.

708
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,400
No Wait.
Or was it harder to kill in the

709
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,960
arcade?
Cyril, do you remember the very

710
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,440
last boss?
You one of the versions you can

711
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,800
hit both faces and the other one
you have to hit only the middle

712
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,120
face.
I don't remember.

713
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,280
I don't remember.
Yeah.

714
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,400
There was also the controls
really had a stickiness to them.

715
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,960
I mean it felt very mid 80s.
I had one or two times where I

716
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,040
was like I had finished ducking
like as far as controls are

717
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,280
concerned for like a second
before it finally stand back up.

718
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,880
Yeah, he gets and he gets stuck
on ladders.

719
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,800
At the top of a ladder.
He'll show you his ass for a

720
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,520
second and but you know what?
It's trolling you.

721
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,320
It's a game that doesn't like
you.

722
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,760
The thing, OK, the jumping, I
can understand because this was

723
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,240
just how jumping was in the mid
80s.

724
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,360
And now everybody remembers,
well, you know, Super Mario

725
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,160
Brothers came out and that kind
of taught us how we can alter

726
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,280
the jump, mid jump, you know,
and, and whatnot.

727
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,840
And that added a lot.
But you got to remember this

728
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,080
arcade game came out basically
at the same time as Super Mario

729
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Brothers.
So that wasn't even the thing

730
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,080
that they could copy.
That wasn't a thing in their

731
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,160
mind at the time.
And Nintendo cracked the code.

732
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:20,400
Now, Capcom never did actually
improve the jumping.

733
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,280
In fact, I would argue with
super goals and goes in the

734
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,120
double jump, they actually made
it worse.

735
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,040
Yeah.
But at least with the first one,

736
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,320
you can make the argument that
the jumping, it just felt like

737
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,760
that's how jumping was in video
games, is very precise.

738
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,840
But Arthur doesn't move in a fun
way that, you know, it's a way

739
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,400
that's really that fun to
control.

740
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,920
And so although I do love his
run, I love his elbows up run,

741
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,320
you know, it's very heroic.
No, you commit to a jump.

742
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,120
Also, I do hate the birds in
this more than I hate Medusa

743
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,480
heads.
Wow.

744
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,560
Because there's, it feels like
there's more of them and they

745
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,800
keep coming back.
And sometimes they drop a weapon

746
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,320
you don't want.
Are the birds worse than this?

747
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,360
The Ninja Gaiden.
Yes.

748
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,640
OK.
These birds definitely may be in

749
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,200
the running for the my personal
most hated enemies.

750
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,400
OK.
And Mike's never like birds to

751
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,200
begin with.
I like Turkey, but that's

752
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,440
because it's delicious and
honestly I have been having to

753
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,400
listen to parrots every day for
the last like couple weeks now

754
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,520
and those are just incredibly
loud and annoying.

755
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,200
So yeah, not having a good month
dealing with birds.

756
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,720
Are you living at a zoo?
I.

757
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,960
Was wondering Pasadena has has a
population of parrots that have

758
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,120
ended up in the wild and I
suspect because of the fires

759
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,280
earlier this year they're
finding new places to hang out.

760
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,880
Yeah, that makes sense.
Mike versus the parrots.

761
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,680
It's kind of a combination of
bird demic and the birds.

762
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,920
I do love the idea that you're
having this horrible 4D effect

763
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,280
where like, you're being killed
by birds and ghosts and goblins

764
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,880
as parrots squawk outside your
window and you're just like,

765
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,440
it's coming from all directions.
All right, anything else to

766
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,720
complain about a ghost and
goblin before we move on to our

767
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,000
second game for today.
I don't think I saw enough of

768
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,760
the game to have more things to
complain about.

769
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,760
Oh, actually, no, I did have
one, which is parts of this kind

770
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,280
of are doing either random or
pseudo random stuff, I don't

771
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,000
know which, where you'd end up
with situations where it's like,

772
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,080
I don't see any way that I don't
get hit here where it doesn't

773
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,280
feel like it is a are you good
enough for this?

774
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,880
Some of it's just like.
I don't actually think this is

775
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,840
doable.
It's there's definitely points

776
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,160
where I'm like, I mean, you
know, I abuse rewind.

777
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,480
I rewound 20 times.
I've like gone at this from

778
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,200
every possible angle.
It's kind of the ending of the

779
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,760
flash.
I don't if you guys saw that

780
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,400
movie.
The new one.

781
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,200
Yeah, the new one, even with
rewinding, there's some things

782
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,040
you just can't prevent.
And so I would just take damage,

783
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,840
which felt dirty because like,
I'm used to, I'm used to keep my

784
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,480
armor on because I'm a cheater.
And it's like, well, even

785
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,840
cheating this game is tough.
Boy, I haven't thought about the

786
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,840
I'd completely forgotten the end
of the flesh.

787
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,280
I had like Supergirl and.
I Loki.

788
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,240
I Loki like that movie.
All right.

789
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,680
And Cyril has left the.
Race.

790
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,640
I did a double feature of that
in the new Indiana Jones movie

791
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:18,520
at the Drive In, and that was a
day I have done many drugs to

792
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,160
forget.
Do many drugs.

793
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,640
You enjoy the problem.
All right, so let's go on to the

794
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,520
second game for tonight, Ghouls
and Ghosts on the Sega Genesis,

795
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,720
released in 1989.
A much better game.

796
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,160
Much better game.
Here we go.

797
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,240
I'm ready for this one as
described on Nintendo Switch

798
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,640
Online.
Which by the way, 10 second rant

799
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,840
because I alluded to it in our
past episode.

800
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,760
I forgot to explain it.
Nintendo Classics does not

801
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,480
include the Genesis app.
There's finally A1 button or one

802
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,200
menu where you can launch any
Nintendo Classics game.

803
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,840
But they have shunted the
Genesis app into a Nintendo

804
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,640
Switch Online feature.
And I get it, it's not a

805
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,640
Nintendo classic system.
But maybe that's why Nintendo

806
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,120
Classics was a bad name.
It's a bad name.

807
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:15,400
So anyway, according to Nintendo
Switch Online, the Powered Up

808
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,360
sequel to Ghosts and Goblins
returns three years after the

809
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,920
defeat of Satan.
Love that they just go for it

810
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,880
there, Princess Prince Prince
Soul has fallen to the schemes

811
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,200
of a new demon.
The time has come for Arthur to

812
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,680
rise again and Vanquish evil.
Now, technically not Satan in

813
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,400
the Nintendo Entertainment
System version because Nintendo

814
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,360
would not allow religious
imagery or things like that.

815
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,960
Wait, I thought the scream did.
The scream we saw for that did

816
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,360
say Satan in there.
Not in the manual, but they

817
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,240
forgot to remove it from the end
of the game.

818
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,360
Yeah, if they forgot to remove
it from the end of the game and

819
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,560
I think that is still Satan in
there.

820
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,840
All right, in a way, don't we
all have a little?

821
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,400
Nope, Nope, I'm not going to go
there.

822
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,400
OK, so let's take a look at the
box art.

823
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,760
Often people's first
impressions.

824
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,320
You have Arthur dead center in
his powered up golden armor new

825
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,760
thing from this game, his red
Cape raising his first, and his

826
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,160
javelin in the air as lightning
crackles out of him in all

827
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,680
directions while the game's
first boss is roaring out of the

828
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,120
forest behind him.
Guys, can we all disagree?

829
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,080
This is incredible.
Yes. 0.

830
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,600
No, what I mean, yeah, I like
this cover, OK.

831
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,120
I I, I kind of prefer the
cartoony look.

832
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:40,480
But look, this was from an era
of Genesis box art where, you

833
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,880
know, it, it all looked very
fantasy, you know, painting and,

834
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,920
you know, I think of the Golden
Axe cover and things like that,

835
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,760
but it's very serious.
It's very, I don't know, it

836
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,400
looks, it looks more serious.
It doesn't look like a cartoon,

837
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,920
like the original.
I kind of prefer the as an

838
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,320
adult, I kind of prefer the art,
you know, the, the original box

839
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,720
art.
But this is fine.

840
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,760
This is what grabbed me as a
kid.

841
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,760
I saw this on the rental shelves
and I was like I gotta check

842
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,360
that out but it looks scary like
you said.

843
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,760
I agree tonally it's not really
a match.

844
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,480
I just think it's just so well
drawn the the the lightning

845
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,240
crackling.
It has strong panel of a van

846
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,560
energy.
Yes, in a good way.

847
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,320
So shout out to Masayoshi
Kodakawa for this one.

848
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,680
I this is this is perfect.
Can I show you something

849
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,680
heartbreaking though?
Look at what happened in Europe

850
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:34,360
when it was released for the
Mega Drive.

851
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,640
Do you see it, Mike?
I mean, are we just talking the

852
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,280
faded colors?
No serial.

853
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:43,200
Do you see what's happening?
Oh yeah, it's the I the the, the

854
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,680
larger Mega Drive logo, the.
Wazowskidom.

855
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:55,400
Mike Wazowskidom So the word
Mega Drive takes up more space

856
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,040
than the word Genesis.
And so the logo being half an

857
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,560
inch wider completely blocks
this really scary cyclopean.

858
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,240
I in a very Mike Wazowski esque
thing.

859
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,680
Mike so I totally had the same
thought.

860
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,960
So got some quick trivia for you
guys on this one.

861
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,560
Like it's predecessor, Ghouls
and Ghosts received a wide

862
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,000
variety of ports, including its
most notable one, the 8 bit Mega

863
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,040
Drive version in 1991.
Excuse me, say that again, the 8

864
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,520
bit Master System version.
Wait, that's most noticeable.

865
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,600
Wait.
Well, let me explain.

866
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,640
This version had several extra
features added to it, such as

867
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,280
customizable armor that changed
Arthur's stats, item shops that

868
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,200
allowed him to select a desired
power up, and a pause screen

869
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,480
that let him switch his
equipment at will.

870
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,120
Mike, wouldn't you have loved
this?

871
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,520
I mean honestly I think I just
got 1 weapon and then just made

872
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,800
sure it'd never pick up anything
else.

873
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,920
But yes, that would have been a
nice improvement.

874
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,280
Yeah.
Now I think that in some regions

875
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,840
that Master System version was
published by ARC.

876
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,840
System works.
Really.

877
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,080
Yeah, that's cool.
So Arthur's depiction from this

878
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,480
game has had a number of fun
cameos, including a the

879
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,480
depiction of him as a undead
background character in the 2022

880
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,160
brawler Jitsu Squad, a playable
fighter in the Marvel Versus

881
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Capcom series, and and my
personal favorite, a mech pilot

882
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,960
in the OFT forgotten steampunk
shooter Cannon Spike for the

883
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,080
Sega Dreamcast serial.
Do you ever play this one?

884
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,680
It's it's forgotten for a
reason.

885
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,440
That's so cool.
Though, no, I, I did a game over

886
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,840
episode that's the the show
where we kind of recap the story

887
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,080
and then I show the ending and,
and this one famously has just

888
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,440
dozens of endings and I go
through all of them and they're

889
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,760
terrible.
Now this, this game is bad

890
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,440
cannon Spike is it's like a 30
minute game.

891
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,800
It's an arcade game.
Yeah.

892
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,560
That shouldn't have been ported
to the Dreamcast at full price.

893
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,480
You got you got Cami from Street
Fighter, Mega Man, BB Hood.

894
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,640
But they're all on skates.
They know the skates are cool.

895
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,880
Shadow proved it.
Skates make characters cooler.

896
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,520
All right, Well, you.
Know what proved it?

897
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,320
What?
What?

898
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,280
Gen.
Z is with me on this one.

899
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,320
Shadows rocket skates are cool.
All right, all right.

900
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,560
Well, you know what I know you
think is cool?

901
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,480
Ghouls and ghosts.
So you have quite the history

902
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,160
with this game serial.
Can you walk us through it?

903
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,480
Oh, sure.
Well, I mean, do you want to

904
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:30,680
talk?
All right?

905
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,960
Yeah, I I knew that's where you
were.

906
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,400
Do you want to talk about the
game first or you want to talk

907
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,760
about team game pro?
Which is more interesting?

908
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,800
Follow your heart.
I'd like a little bit of both.

909
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,640
Well, it's OK, Let's, let's,
let's first talk about the game

910
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,560
a little bit here and then we'll
all segue into now I I'm going

911
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,360
to ask the same question.
Have either of you played the

912
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,800
arcade game?
No, no.

913
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,880
OK, well, OK, so the night the
the arcade game came out in 1988

914
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,560
and this was brought out.
This is one of the very first

915
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:05,880
must own Genesis games in 1989.
And so just about a year later,

916
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,040
and you have to remember what's
actually pretty interesting

917
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,080
about this time was that this
was an era where Nintendo would

918
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,600
forbid their third parties from
making games for other systems.

919
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:27,520
And so Capcom sold the rights to
Sega or, you know, licensed the

920
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,080
rights to Sega to, you know, so
Sega could make a version of

921
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,440
this, a version of Strider,
Forgotten Worlds and Mercs

922
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:41,480
Strider and ghouls and goes to
the two both both remember or

923
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,720
best remembered.
But they're all OK games.

924
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,120
They're all actually pretty good
ports, too.

925
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,520
Sega knew what they were doing.
So this is this is an impressive

926
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,360
game.
I I got the Genesis in 1989.

927
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,360
I was right there at the very
beginning.

928
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,320
I got it, you know, the altered
beast pack in one.

929
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,200
I still have the box for it.
I was ready and I and mostly

930
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,800
because all the magazines loved
ghouls and ghosts.

931
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,640
They they raved about it.
It's one of the best games ever

932
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,320
made.
We'll, we'll talk about the, the

933
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,480
awards because it won a ton of
awards, But so in February of

934
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:23,080
1991, Game Pro magazine put out
a, it was like a contest to

935
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,240
pick.
They called it something else,

936
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,200
but it would eventually be team
Game Pro.

937
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,560
And the idea was that they would
select a couple of 100 people

938
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,080
that would kind of act as like a
group that, that people or that

939
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,160
maybe if they wanted to know
what, what their readers were,

940
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,880
were interested in seeing more
of in their magazine or what

941
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,760
games they should cover or
things like that.

942
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,240
That's kind of how it was
pitched.

943
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,920
Like, you know, that you'll have
some input in the making of the

944
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,920
magazine.
And, you know, here I was, you

945
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,760
know, 13.
I was like, hey, that's, you

946
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,200
know, I love gaming.
I'm already doing a Zine.

947
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,720
You know, I, I don't know if
they either of you made zines

948
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:05,160
back in the day or if anybody in
the audience remembers what

949
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,280
zine's work as.
That's old.

950
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,480
Our audience probably is as
well.

951
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,160
Hopefully I'm not going to
explain it, they can look it up,

952
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,320
but I was like, all right, I can
you know, I'll fill this out.

953
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,600
And they wanted to know my age,
sex, address and phone number.

954
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,840
They wanted to know how many
systems I own.

955
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,600
And at that point I was buying
everything.

956
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,560
I had a turbo graphic 16 and the
NES and Master system.

957
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,440
I was always buying all the
systems.

958
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,880
And then what kind of games I
played, how many years I've been

959
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,840
playing, what my favorite games
were, my top ten, I have no idea

960
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,320
what I said.
And then, you know, just a short

961
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,000
paragraph explaining myself.
And I was always a pretty good

962
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,400
writer.
So I feel like that's what

963
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,160
sealed the deal.
Now, I honestly do wish that I

964
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,680
knew, like, if I could see what
I wrote in, I wish that I had

965
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,560
like, photocopied it or taken a
picture of it or something.

966
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,320
But of course I didn't.
Now a bunch of months later in

967
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:06,760
the August 1991 issue, they they
showed the they showed who won

968
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:12,320
and I was one of 250 winners and
every one of them got a pin, the

969
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,560
team game pro pin, which I still
have.

970
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,360
Nice.
And then a few months later now,

971
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,960
they said that some people were
going to write quotes that would

972
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,080
go in the magazine and then some
people would, they were going to

973
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,160
kind of toss people into
different groupings that would

974
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,600
do different things.
And my grouping were the people

975
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,600
that would be on Game Pro TV,
which was a syndicated

976
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,400
television show the Game Pro was
trying out in the early 90s.

977
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,520
It was hosted by JD Roth, who
was a big, I think Nickelodeon

978
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,440
host back in the day.
And then also Brendan Howard,

979
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,520
who was kind of the surfer bro,
you know, Hey, they, you know,

980
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,680
just he was, he was basically a
green dog.

981
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,320
Right.
Is that game on Nintendo Switch

982
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,720
Online?
No, and I forgot Green Dog

983
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:07,840
existed till you just said that,
Mike.

984
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,000
That's, that's the, the, the
worry.

985
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,760
Anyway, he was basically, oh,
I'll make this easier.

986
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,920
He was basically a Pauly Shore
type.

987
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,320
There you go.
Mike knows that one.

988
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,520
Anyway, So what they wanted me
to do was they sent me a script

989
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,960
they want you to give.
Some of them were codes, some of

990
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,440
them were just like, here's a
strategy on how to beat a boss.

991
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,840
And the one I had which I was
excited about was for ghouls and

992
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,800
ghosts.
It was how to beat Loki in, in

993
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,760
goals and goes.
It was an easy way.

994
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,240
You know, you just stand in one
place and shoot up and then you

995
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:45,440
know, so on so forth.
And I, I read the script.

996
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,720
I did it in my little, you know,
my game room and my, my parents

997
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:52,240
attic, which is still there.
The games aren't there, but you

998
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,840
know, the attic still there.
And it was, it was a lot of fun.

999
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,080
We did it on like an old school,
you know, just VHS camcorder

1000
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,800
sort of thing.
We sent it in and then we waited

1001
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,680
a bunch of months and eventually
it showed up.

1002
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:08,080
And if you watch any of those
old episodes, I don't know how

1003
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,800
many there are, there's a couple
dozen of them.

1004
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,160
But between commercials or in,
but you know, they're like two

1005
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:18,200
or three times they, they, they
do a thing where they, we get

1006
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,520
one of these from a different
team game pro person who has a

1007
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,280
different code for the audience.
And, you know, if you, you can

1008
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,240
see in the picture, I actually
have Loki queued up there at

1009
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,680
the, you know, on my television.
Oh, you legit got there.

1010
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,200
Absolutely.
OK, so I was wondering because

1011
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,160
you said like you had to give a
code and I was like, were you

1012
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,200
provided the tip to give?
So you didn't.

1013
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,520
Yeah, this wasn't your tip.
You were given the tip to give,

1014
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,280
but you could get to the boss
legit.

1015
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,400
So you put it in the background
just to show you had the

1016
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,920
receipts.
Absolutely.

1017
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,800
And then I, you know, have the
Genesis poster and, and, and

1018
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,240
stuff like that didn't have the
Genesis games on display there.

1019
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,480
You can see the NES.
You can see my, you know, just a

1020
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,160
handful of Turbo graphic 16
games above it.

1021
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,280
Yeah, No, I, yeah.
They gave me a script.

1022
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:09,080
They told me to, you know, read
it verbatim basically, and then,

1023
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,800
or memorize it and then, you
know, and, and go from there.

1024
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,320
And of course, I, I did.
And it was, it was fun.

1025
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,440
Of course, you know, it's one of
those things where you hope that

1026
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,960
everybody in your school is
going to see it and recognize

1027
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,200
you.
And of course, nobody did.

1028
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,360
I mean, he was game Pro TV was
on like a Saturday morning

1029
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,720
syndicated.
So it wasn't on, you know, a set

1030
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,840
channel.
It was, you know, whichever

1031
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,240
station, you know, whichever
area you were in, you know, had

1032
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:40,680
picked it up.
And, you know, I was always

1033
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,400
happy with it.
I got a, you know, I got a

1034
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,840
T-shirt out of it.
Yeah.

1035
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,800
And so, yeah, and it's one of
those things that I always said,

1036
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,720
but I, I never had like the the,
I'm sure we recorded it off of

1037
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:57,320
the television, but I mean, who
knows where those cassettes are?

1038
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:02,960
And, and so until somebody
uploaded it on on YouTube and I

1039
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,960
was like, I, I watched all those
episodes looking for the one I

1040
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,360
was in.
And then I found it and clipped

1041
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,520
it and and ever since then I I
have always been associated with

1042
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,080
ghouls and ghosts.
It's huge, it's awesome.

1043
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,600
So you Nintend did beat this
game even back as a kid,

1044
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,400
correct?
Yeah, yeah, definitely back as a

1045
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,240
kid.
I mean computer.

1046
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,680
Not not the arcade one, because
I actually had not played the

1047
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,800
arcade version of this one.
It didn't show up in the arcade.

1048
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,760
That or Strider.
They didn't show up in my local

1049
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,240
arcade.
So my first experience for both

1050
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,360
of those were the the Genesis
versions.

1051
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,080
Mike, how far do you get in
Ghouls and Ghosts You're.

1052
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,360
Gonna break my heart.
So I don't know how far I got

1053
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,840
through this game when I would
have played this in the past,

1054
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,120
but I know it was not very far.
Sure.

1055
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,920
I'm thinking it was somewhere
around that, the bridges at

1056
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,200
most.
OK.

1057
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:01,960
Quite possibly earlier than
that.

1058
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,320
The tongue.
Bridges or the rope bridges?

1059
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,400
The rope bridges.
OK, so I'd be level 2.

1060
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,560
I would not count the tongues as
bridges.

1061
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,240
I mean that's what I thought
too, especially looking at that

1062
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,440
picture their.
Platforms at most.

1063
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,480
I feel like a bridge cannot only
be connected to one side.

1064
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,960
Well, you know, the mounds get a
little frisky then.

1065
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,920
OK, so I'm like, how far did you
get this time?

1066
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:30,640
This time around I think it's 5
levels I think.

1067
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,360
Right, something like that,
yeah.

1068
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,840
Not real.
So I got to the second-half of

1069
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,040
Level 5, basically sort of the
start of the boss rush.

1070
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,000
Yeah.
OK, so you didn't you didn't

1071
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,000
tend, did not beat this game.
No, definitely not.

1072
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,320
Yeah, pretty far though.
I got further than expected.

1073
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,120
I'm actually still sort of
pleased with myself for

1074
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,000
independently discovering many,
many years after everybody else

1075
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:01,440
figured it out.
The one part of I think level 4,

1076
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,600
the second part of level 4 where
you have the sliding down area

1077
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,920
where I decided to just use some
iframes and jump to the

1078
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,600
basically the end of that.
Sure.

1079
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Yeah, that's a famous way to
glitch through that level.

1080
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,520
Yeah, it's like, I don't think I
discovered anything, but I don't

1081
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,200
think I the first one.
But I did independently figure

1082
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,280
that out and it was like, OK,
yeah, no, we're I'm doing this.

1083
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,840
This is much better.
Yeah, and little 5, you know,

1084
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,000
this game is hard.
It's no slash to get that far.

1085
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,600
So yeah, I I beat this back in
the day using Game Genie, which

1086
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,720
I will absolutely not count, but
I nintended beat this game using

1087
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,760
rewind and ever seeking Chico's
approval.

1088
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,600
I'm very happy to say that I
nintended beat this game without

1089
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,320
any rewinding or any safe
stating all the way back through

1090
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,240
because once again, you got to
beat this game twice.

1091
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,480
Got to go back, get the goddess
bracelet, the only thing that

1092
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,120
can kill Loki or as Cyril called
him, Loki in the video.

1093
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,800
No, look, I was young.
Nobody corrected me.

1094
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,680
You know, The Avengers were not
out.

1095
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,600
Loki wasn't in the lexicon yet.
No, I also pronounced Toki the

1096
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,160
same way.
That's true and we all toki

1097
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,640
well, you know what?
I Nintend did be ghouls and

1098
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,640
ghosts for this podcast
legitimately.

1099
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,000
I'm in computer.
Nice, and I think Toki did the

1100
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,320
same map map thing, didn't it?
Yeah, similar thing, yeah.

1101
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:31,040
Yeah, but I I love this game and
I forgot how much I loved it

1102
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,920
until we went back to replay for
this episode.

1103
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,520
It's really charming.
So, Cyril, can you kind of roll

1104
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,480
in the awards this game won with
what you personally like about

1105
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,160
it?
All right, look, I say that this

1106
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,560
was, you know, a critic's
darling, but as somebody who who

1107
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,560
spends a lot of time looking at
old magazines, especially now

1108
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,600
kind of going through the ones
from other countries like Europe

1109
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,040
and and Australia, I know
Europe's not a country.

1110
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,800
Other regions.
I had so much fun reading back

1111
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,000
in the day.
It was just talked up as the the

1112
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,080
best game ever made.
And so I had to get a Genesis

1113
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,360
for that.
And one of the big reasons for

1114
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,200
that is I want to kind of go
through the in their best and

1115
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:19,440
worst awards of 1989, this won
five awards from Electronic

1116
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,640
Gaming Monthly.
Let's see if we agree with these

1117
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,200
now.
One of course, the best game of

1118
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:25,800
the year.
It was their their game of the

1119
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,680
year.
That year it was the best

1120
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,560
graphics in a video game.
I think it's gorgeous.

1121
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,760
I think this game has aged so
well, and especially going from

1122
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,400
the NES version to the Genesis
version.

1123
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,120
Like one of the pictures I'm
showing the boys here is this

1124
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,200
tower level where it's the first
vertically scrolling level and

1125
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:49,080
there are these suits of armor
inhabited by sentient mud and

1126
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:54,440
those are the enemies along with
123456 like 8 dive bombing

1127
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,360
goblin bats.
And the game doesn't really slow

1128
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,000
down that much.
Like it, it chugs, it's good.

1129
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,320
The chug sounds bad, but I think
yeah, best graphics.

1130
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,520
I agree with that one.
Yeah, and and and some pretty

1131
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:11,360
clever uses of the of the
technology to like they I mean,

1132
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,000
it is still a 1989 game.
It is early Genesis.

1133
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,840
It doesn't look as good, I would
argue as super goals and ghosts,

1134
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:23,600
but I think the characters that
they made and it builds on

1135
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,680
everything that I loved about
the about the the first game

1136
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,720
100%.
It also won best sequel for an

1137
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,640
existing game.
I always thought that wording

1138
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:37,160
was a little funny because I
mean can't you just say best

1139
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,760
sequel?
Every sequel is to an existing

1140
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,080
game right?
Unless you're Leonard Part 6.

1141
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,360
But I mean, in terms of like,
OK, so if we're assessing this

1142
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,720
as a sequel, enormous step up
from any ghosts, absolutely.

1143
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,640
So I'll give it to that one too.
And then one of them is cool as

1144
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,560
boss attackers.
I agree with that too.

1145
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,760
Like I mean, there are a couple
of duds here.

1146
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,200
You know, the fog with the eye
is OK, but look I the the very

1147
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,560
first one with the you know, the
big towering night, You know,

1148
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,160
goblin character with a detached
head is awesome.

1149
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,520
Yeah, and he he rips his own
head off at the start of the

1150
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,600
boss fight.
Yeah, what a flex, You know what

1151
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,440
I mean?
I was always partial to the fire

1152
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,960
dog.
The boss too.

1153
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,120
That's a good one too.
Because he's pouncing around

1154
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,000
back and forth and you can duck
below him but like there's this

1155
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,960
cool trail of fire that falls
and wherever he goes and and the

1156
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:41,360
boss of level 4 disgusted me and
to this day gives me the heebie

1157
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,360
jeebies.
Just too cool for you?

1158
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,200
Well, like, what is it for our
listeners?

1159
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,680
How would you describe them?
Like you're a scientist.

1160
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,600
What are you looking at?
So it's sort of like, it feels

1161
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:57,360
like a sort of submerged
insectoidish kind of thing that

1162
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,040
then has what I thought of as
like maggots, but it can be any

1163
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,920
kind of small grubby little
thing kind of coming out up to

1164
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,480
this to on top of it where you
are.

1165
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,360
Yeah, you're, you're, you're,
you're running around the back

1166
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,040
of this monster that is not
moving.

1167
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,440
It's just laying in the water.
But Mike, the reason it disgusts

1168
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,560
me so much that you're also
attacked by these kind of

1169
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,920
parasitic worms that that that
Pierce its skin and flies out

1170
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,160
and then goes back inside of it.
I don't.

1171
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,120
Know if that's that, if they're
parasitic.

1172
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,720
Maybe they're a defense
mechanism.

1173
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,160
Sure.
I was going to say, I think.

1174
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,160
That's pretty.
That's pretty symbiotic.

1175
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,400
OK, OK.
But the grubs that Mike is

1176
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,480
talking about emerge from these
like little pustules of the skin

1177
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,000
that you have to break.
But Mike, look closely at the

1178
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,680
grub that's a baby version of
the boss.

1179
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,880
It's giving birth all over
itself, and you're killing its

1180
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,960
infants as you try to take down
its weak spots.

1181
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,080
What a memorable and gruesome
boss design.

1182
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,000
So best boss attack?
I don't know.

1183
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,600
That's also it's also worth
noting that that's a boss that

1184
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,720
you couldn't do in super goals
and goes not from a technical

1185
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,640
level, but simply because you
don't have the gameplay like

1186
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:15,240
they they took away the ability
to shoot in all directions in in

1187
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,080
super goals and goes so you
wouldn't even be able to hit

1188
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,920
some of the the parts in in that
game.

1189
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,520
And that's also one of my
favorite things about this game

1190
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,760
is that as Mike experienced,
there's so much vertical threat,

1191
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,280
either enemies dive bombing you
or enemies on the platform above

1192
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,360
you or the enemies on the
platform below you.

1193
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,960
And you're like, it sure would
be nice to shoot up or down.

1194
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,560
And Genesis game is like I got
you and my God didn't improve

1195
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,320
the gameplay.
Absolutely.

1196
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,040
So best boss attackers?
I'm down for that.

1197
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,720
And then the final one, I don't
know if you have a picture for

1198
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:53,040
this one, but it's the worst
stomach problem in a game.

1199
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:55,560
Worst stomach problem would that
be?

1200
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,600
Because it's, I don't know if
it's, it's early in the game,

1201
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,160
there are enemies that vomit.
The pigs.

1202
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:08,760
Yeah, and they really, they had
a whole award for that one.

1203
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,200
I appreciate it, Mike.
What do you like about this

1204
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,800
game?
I mean, certainly the ability to

1205
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:20,520
fire up and down was great.
I think this has the armor a lot

1206
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,080
more.
Accessible like they appeared

1207
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,840
more often.
Yeah, like it felt a lot more

1208
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,480
like I was like, oh, I've
actually gotten additional

1209
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,560
armor.
And upgradeable armor.

1210
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,920
That I saw less often I I didn't
keep the armor long enough.

1211
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,040
Usually I.
Guess.

1212
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,800
I had it once.
Did you do the the the thing on

1213
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,640
the cover?
The special move where you see

1214
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,000
the the lightning.
I did not.

1215
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,920
The one the one time I had I had
the armor.

1216
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,640
I did not figure out how.
I didn't really expect to get to

1217
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,520
do that, so I didn't really
remember how to use it and then

1218
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,160
it was gone.
You just hold down the attack

1219
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,120
button.
So what they're referring to is

1220
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,960
that this game introduced golden
armor, which is a new mechanic.

1221
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,520
If you already have a suit of
armor and you open up a chest

1222
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,760
and you're lucky enough for it
to not be the magician turning

1223
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,440
you into a duck or an old man,
you can.

1224
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,920
Which it gets so funny.
Like, I love that the old man

1225
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,640
can still attack, right?
It's the only magician

1226
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,680
transformation in this series
where you're not helpless.

1227
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,120
And again, you know, I've never
had it, but killing a boss is an

1228
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,200
old man.
That'd be pretty tight, but the

1229
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,320
Super attacks are pretty cool.
So there's the one from the box

1230
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,400
art where you're shooting
lightning in all directions.

1231
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,160
And then I think other
noticeable ones are the dagger

1232
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,400
super move, which summons a
doppelganger of you.

1233
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,000
And now every time you press the
fire button, Arthur's throwing,

1234
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,840
well, you're really throwing 2
daggers.

1235
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,520
You can just shred through
enemies with that thing.

1236
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,680
Cyril, was that your favorite?
Yeah, yeah, no, that, that's a

1237
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,080
cool that also that reminded me
a little bit of Ninja Gaiden

1238
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,800
too.
Yeah, yeah, I totally see it.

1239
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,560
But I think the the weapons were
just better in this game.

1240
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,160
Like I felt like there were less
duds and they all kind of had

1241
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,720
their purpose.
Like I really love the axe

1242
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,760
passing through so many enemies
as it goes across the screen,

1243
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,480
right.
Even the discus has its use in,

1244
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,600
like Mike said, the water slope
level because that's the one

1245
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,440
that travels along the ground.
But OK, so now I can fire and

1246
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,840
it'll travel up the slope and
hit the enemies coming at me.

1247
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,880
Oh, I ended up using using that
thing for the rest that I had

1248
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,000
it.
I I think that was my favorite

1249
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,160
weapon.
The discus.

1250
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:25,200
Yeah, although I was glad to see
a Golden Axe in a Sega game

1251
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:26,920
because I've promised that and
denied it.

1252
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,720
I also, I I'm a big fan of the
sword, yeah.

1253
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,319
What's?
What's cool about it?

1254
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,319
Well, I like, you know, they
finally give you a short range

1255
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:36,680
attack, but it's I like the
swing.

1256
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,479
I like the the animation of it.
It reminds me of a little bit of

1257
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,680
strider.
Always a big fan of strider.

1258
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:46,600
And no, I I like that it adds a
new it's it's terrible against a

1259
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,760
lot of the bosses, though a
couple of them, but it's

1260
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,560
terrible against most of the
bosses.

1261
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,800
But I don't know, like I I could
go pretty far with just the

1262
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,920
sword.
And it's fun to use.

1263
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,439
It's like, you know, you get the
sword and you're like, well,

1264
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,240
this is short range.
This thing better be strong.

1265
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:02,840
Oh, it's strong.
Yeah, definitely.

1266
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,640
It can just erase a boss's
health bar.

1267
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,200
Yeah.
And like you said, it's kind of

1268
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,520
a different.
It kind of changes the whole

1269
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,160
gameplay because now you're not.
It's not a shooter.

1270
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:11,920
It's a slasher.
Right.

1271
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:17,520
And and it's, it's just this
game, I had so much just pure

1272
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,399
fun playing it.
I also feel like this one maybe

1273
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:24,560
the only one of the three that
really like for like the first

1274
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,319
level where you have the zombies
kind of coming in that you can

1275
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:31,439
kill them on their way in.
Right.

1276
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,319
Yes.
Like they're starting to peek in

1277
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:35,279
and before they're a problem to
you, you can kill them.

1278
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,000
Which is satisfying and also,
well, a lot less frustrating.

1279
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,479
We're going to get to that with
the last game.

1280
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,319
But the zombies in the next
game, they, they are

1281
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,840
troublesome.
So, I mean, we could gush all

1282
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,920
about this game.
Can we criticize it because it's

1283
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,439
not perfect?
No, I mean it has a lot of the

1284
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,600
same problems that were in any
of the the ghosts and Goblin

1285
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:01,440
series arcade games.
And you know, it probably didn't

1286
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:06,600
need to redo the hey beat it
twice thing and especially for

1287
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,840
the home thing.
Honestly, I kind of wish that

1288
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:15,960
Capcom, or I guess it's Sega
would have maybe made some of

1289
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:20,000
the changes that the Master
System version had to make it a

1290
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:24,920
little bit more unique as a as a
console experience.

1291
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,240
Sure, this is definitely It
feels like an arcade game and it

1292
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,800
has the difficulty of an arcade
game.

1293
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,640
It feels like it's trying to to
steal your quarters.

1294
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,480
It's more fair than the first
game I would argue, but I mean

1295
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:41,520
it, it is definitely tough.
I think what makes it feel more

1296
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,120
fair is that Mike, if you agree
with this, it feels less random,

1297
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,040
like you can learn where enemies
are going to be and the behavior

1298
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:53,120
they're going to show.
And so you can and, and this

1299
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,520
game, oh, bless this game for
having a checkpoint before each

1300
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,480
boss fight.
Losing at a boss and having to

1301
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:04,120
redo the levels in both Ghosts
and Goblins and Super Ghouls and

1302
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,160
Ghosts was really frustrating
because like Mike has complained

1303
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,480
about before, like you're making
me replay the level just to get

1304
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:12,120
to the boss.
But like, I'm fine with the

1305
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:13,440
level.
I've gotten good enough at the

1306
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:15,080
level.
It's the boss I need to

1307
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,840
practice.
So really all you're doing is

1308
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,800
wasting my time or a Serle would
say, robbing me of my quarters.

1309
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,920
Right.
It always bothered me, though,

1310
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,800
that like the level 4 boss
cannot be beaten with the sword.

1311
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,400
Yeah.
And and because of the way the

1312
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:30,560
checkpoints work.
So.

1313
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,280
So Mike said you're on top of
this creature and you have to

1314
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:37,400
fire down to hit things on its
side where Arthur cannot reach

1315
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,040
with the melee weapon.
Yeah.

1316
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:46,040
And since you restart at the
boss, if you accidentally reach

1317
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,320
this boss with the sword, you
have no choice but to hard reset

1318
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,080
the game because you will not
find a weapon that can hurt it.

1319
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:57,760
That's inexcusably bad design,
that is.

1320
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,160
And then like the discus.
So all the Super moves are

1321
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,680
pretty cool, but the discus 1
serial, it's pretty lame, right?

1322
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,880
The Mirror.
Yeah, that's not great.

1323
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,440
Yeah, what?
What makes it underwhelming to

1324
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:11,520
you?
I actually like you more in that

1325
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,920
picture now that I look at that
that hand and everything.

1326
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:19,360
No, I you really should stick
with just a couple of the

1327
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:23,400
weapons and their power ups.
And honestly, though, most

1328
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,000
people aren't getting the I
mean, you have to really good to

1329
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,280
get far and actually still have
the golden armor.

1330
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,760
Yeah.
And most people, you know,

1331
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,920
especially the first or second
time through, aren't getting

1332
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,480
that golden armor.
But I do agree with you that the

1333
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,000
the sword, like they.
Yeah.

1334
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:46,200
So like a little extra QA was
needed for that boss fight.

1335
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,320
Somebody needed to like, say hey
at the checkpoint, put another

1336
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,080
weapon.
That's all it would have taken.

1337
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,000
And then I did also notice that,
you know, this game does not

1338
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,880
have the graphical problems of
the NES version, but it did have

1339
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,000
this weird thing where I don't
know what the term for this is,

1340
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:05,960
but you can see very clearly the
straight lines of like a Sprite

1341
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,240
where it should very clearly be
curved.

1342
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,080
So I'm showing them like the
city of Decay, which is a great

1343
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,480
concept for a level.
This whole town is pussing and

1344
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:19,560
swelling up almost like it's
flesh, but you have like these

1345
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,120
little pustules.
And instead of a round curve,

1346
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,880
like most of it, the back half
is just these straight

1347
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,960
noticeable lines.
And sounds like I'm nitpicking,

1348
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,120
but it kind of takes you out of
it.

1349
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,640
I think that's one of those
things that if this had come out

1350
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,480
a year or two later, you would
not have seen.

1351
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:38,200
I agree.
I think that a lot of this was

1352
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:43,320
pushed, you know, I think that
because this was an early, you

1353
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:47,440
know, came out a year after the
arcade and was a very early

1354
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:50,880
Genesis title.
I I just think they were rushing

1355
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,440
to get it out.
I think they did a really good

1356
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:56,480
job.
I mean, I know a lot of, a lot

1357
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:00,120
of people will argue that, you
know, the, the Super Graphics

1358
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,920
version, I didn't know, I don't
know if you were gonna bring

1359
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,880
that up at any point, but that
port is superior and it is like

1360
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,840
visually.
But of course nobody owned a

1361
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,040
Super Graphics cuz it only had
six games.

1362
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,040
That was one of them.
It was, yeah.

1363
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,120
Never even heard of it until you
just mentioned it.

1364
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:20,240
It's from the same people that
made the turbo graphics, but it

1365
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:24,680
was only released in Japan.
Had had six games, did not do

1366
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,840
well.
It was the follow up to the PC

1367
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,640
Engine.
So anything else to say in

1368
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,040
defense or criticism of ghouls
and ghosts before we move on to

1369
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,840
our last game of the day?
No, I think that this is, I

1370
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,560
think this is something that
even if people had never played

1371
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,160
it before and just have a
Switch, maybe a younger person,

1372
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:47,680
I think this is, you know, in
most cases I say track down the

1373
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,760
arcade, but I think this is 1
where you can play this one.

1374
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,360
You're going to be OK.
For sure.

1375
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,880
All right, well, let's get on to
our last game of the night,

1376
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,720
Super Ghouls and Ghosts for the
Super Nintendo, released in

1377
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:08,640
1991.
As described on Nintendo

1378
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,040
Classics, the third game in the
legendary Ghosts and Goblins

1379
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,240
series of video games, Super
Ghouls and Ghosts follows Arthur

1380
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,600
in another quest to rescue the
Princess, his fair maiden and

1381
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,680
damsel in distress at large.
I don't think that's how you use

1382
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,800
that large, but anyway, players
take control of Arthur and

1383
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,640
defeat the creatures of the
night to save the day once more.

1384
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,800
Discover what glory awaits those
brave enough to take on the

1385
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,520
armies of Super Ghouls and
Ghosts.

1386
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:37,160
Let's take a look at the box
art.

1387
01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:42,400
So, Cyril, you didn't like how
overly serious the Genesis 1?

1388
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,600
Felt No, I don't like this cover
at all.

1389
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,120
OK, we have Arthur once again,
front and center.

1390
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,720
Behind him you have the first
level of the game, the graveyard

1391
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,440
stage, with various monsters
presented in deformed art style.

1392
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:56,280
Large head, stubby limbs.
Is that what you don't like

1393
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,520
about it, Cyril?
They made a choice, they made an

1394
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:04,000
artistic choice.
And I mean, I don't mind it.

1395
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,240
Like it's not a bad cover, but
it's not.

1396
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,000
I prefer the other two.
I don't like that logo.

1397
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,760
No, like the font they used for
super ghouls and ghosts is

1398
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,240
atrocious.
And and my issue with it, and I

1399
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,360
kind of if you agree with this,
but this doesn't this they made

1400
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,040
the knight look generic.
This doesn't look like Arthur.

1401
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,680
His face isn't even showing.
Arthur's face is always showing.

1402
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,280
So, you know, what's Arthur?
It just it doesn't match Mike.

1403
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,000
You'd you agree?
I don't think so.

1404
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,600
Like I don't think that jumps
out as a concert.

1405
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,160
And I'm like, I don't remember
his face on the Genesis 1

1406
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:41,520
either.
It wasn't.

1407
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,720
That's true it.
Was just that first game the one

1408
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,520
that had the best artwork?
And it's something about the

1409
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,480
proportions, though the
proportions feel not stylized.

1410
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,760
It feels like a very meat and
potatoes drawing of a knife.

1411
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,840
They have made him more generic
over the years.

1412
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,280
It definitely feels like the
style of the night here does not

1413
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:06,680
fit the style of anything else.
Yeah, and I don't remember.

1414
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,760
I don't remember him having a
Cape.

1415
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:14,080
Not with the silver armor, no.
Like the the red Cape feels like

1416
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,960
a not a thing.
Well, it's a thing when you get

1417
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:17,840
the golden.
Armor.

1418
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,560
Oh, he has a red Cape thought.
Yeah, OK.

1419
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,160
Yeah.
Did he have a Cape in the cover

1420
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,240
of the Genesis 1?
He didn't, right?

1421
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:26,880
No, he did.
It's the full.

1422
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:28,880
Yeah, I guess.
We've flown behind them.

1423
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,960
It's yeah, it's just it's really
hidden back there.

1424
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,440
Amongst all the awesomeness.
So like many games we've

1425
01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:39,320
covered, Super Goals and Ghosts
was modified for its western

1426
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,840
release.
Most infamously, the crosses on

1427
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,440
the plethora of coffins and
level 1 we're all replaced with

1428
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:51,360
Ancs, which makes this a
Egyptian graveyard in Europe.

1429
01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:54,880
Don't think too hard about that
one.

1430
01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:58,160
When the game was released in
Europe, enemies and obstacles

1431
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,840
were reportedly removed to help
reduce difficulty and slow down.

1432
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,160
And Mike, you're sure to love
this one.

1433
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,840
Super Ghouls and Ghosts was
central to the plot of the final

1434
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,320
sketch in the British comedy
Series A Bit of Fry and Lori.

1435
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,800
Have you seen the show?
I have, but I haven't seen it in

1436
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,640
full.
So in the finale of Series 4,

1437
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,600
Episode 7, Hugh Laurie plays a
depressed teenager who has

1438
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,560
dedicated his young life to
beating super ghouls and ghosts

1439
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:29,440
instead of trying to attend
school.

1440
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:34,360
Stephen Fry plays his frustrated
father who pesters him into

1441
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,840
suicide, all so that he can
finally have a turn on the

1442
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,040
controller and listen.
If you're listening to this and

1443
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,680
you have suicidal ideations,
seek help immediately.

1444
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,520
Do not play super ghouls and
ghosts.

1445
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:50,400
I don't think it would help but.
Mike freaking dark.

1446
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:55,000
That is great.
Hold on now we need to get we

1447
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,920
cannot pass by this I first this
this is news to me.

1448
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,600
I have not heard or seen the
show.

1449
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,480
Yes, but let's not pass.
We can't just pass by the fact

1450
01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:14,480
that Super Ghouls and Ghosts is
6° connected to not only Fry and

1451
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:21,760
and House, but Baywatch.
The Hugh Laurie character has a

1452
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,480
Baywatch poster.
But we can connect this to Borat

1453
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:33,200
in 2 steps.
It's just I was, I didn't enjoy

1454
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:34,640
Super Ghouls and Ghosts that
much.

1455
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,440
So to find such a fun bit of
trivia I really enjoyed.

1456
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,560
So let's get into it.
Our history with these games and

1457
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,120
how far have we gotten?
So Mike, I remember you

1458
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,680
borrowing my Genesis copy of
Ghouls and Ghosts, but I was not

1459
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,040
a Super Nintendo family.
So had you ever played this game

1460
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,120
before doing it for this
podcast?

1461
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,960
No, I mean honestly I don't,
other than I clearly must have

1462
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,320
seen it on our lists.
Like I would not have known that

1463
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,360
this game existed.
OK, wow.

1464
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,440
And how far did you get?
I never saw the end of the first

1465
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:07,280
level.
Oh.

1466
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,480
I I really disliked this game.
OK.

1467
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:16,400
Had very little fun with it.
OK, All right.

1468
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,240
So Cyril, what's your history
and how far have you gotten in

1469
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,480
this game?
All right.

1470
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:26,480
Well, like I said before, I did
buy all the systems.

1471
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,960
So I was a Super Nintendo house,
but also a Genesis house, or I

1472
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,000
guess it was family, right?
I had a family of systems.

1473
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:38,560
And you got to remember this is
what, 1991?

1474
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,840
This is an early generation.
I don't remember if this was a

1475
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,080
launch Super NES launch game or
if it came out.

1476
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,480
It's in the launch window at
least within the the first month

1477
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:52,120
of release.
And and so I was especially

1478
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,480
after the first one, I guess the
second one it ghouls and goes.

1479
01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:00,880
I was excited about super ghouls
and ghosts, but man, were things

1480
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:06,080
different in 1991.
Like, 1989 was a year about like

1481
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,960
proving that, you know, you
needed to jump to a 16 bit

1482
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:14,040
console, whereas by 1991 we'd
already had the Genesis and

1483
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,160
Turbo Graphic 16 for a couple of
years.

1484
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:21,120
And you know, the Super NES
coming out, there was such a big

1485
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:26,320
fight between Sonic and and
Mario, Streets of Rage versus

1486
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,480
final fight.
And this one is hyped as I was,

1487
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,160
and I got lost in the shuffle.
Sure.

1488
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:39,080
However, I do have to say it was
among the the launch window

1489
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,400
titles.
It was up there with ACT Razor

1490
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:46,760
as one of the best reviewed
games for the Super NES in the

1491
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,040
early days.
So did you ever beat it as a

1492
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,280
kid?
Yeah, I beat the yes.

1493
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:55,560
It's also worth mentioning that
this is the first of the Ghosts

1494
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,760
and Goblins series that was not
based off of an arcade game.

1495
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:05,200
This was a console original and
I wished that maybe it would do

1496
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,840
what Super Mario World did,
which was be a little bit more

1497
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,520
for the console and feel less
like an arcade experience.

1498
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,600
And this one doesn't.
It's just it feels like an

1499
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,360
extension of the first two games
in good and bad ways.

1500
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:24,280
So Unit 10 did beat it, yeah.
I'm in computer.

1501
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,880
Though only recently because I
did a video about it.

1502
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,880
So this one I wanted to beat
this without cheating.

1503
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:36,960
Hard.
I got through the first run

1504
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,280
without cheating, sure.
I have not found the Princess

1505
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:46,320
bracelet on my second run
through and I'm on level 4

1506
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,040
Cyril.
Is it too late?

1507
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:53,720
It's song 5 isn't?
It that sounds right. 5/2.

1508
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:55,720
Oh, they don't put it till
later.

1509
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,080
The game's done quick speed run
that I watched.

1510
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,120
There was one person on the
couch whose entire job was to

1511
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,560
add a certain point.
Be like hey don't forget to get

1512
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,920
the bracelet on this level.
Sure.

1513
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:09,600
That was the person in the
corner.

1514
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,720
Yeah, there's a couple other
people for commentary and one

1515
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,840
person was like, all right, this
is my one job.

1516
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:15,640
Don't forget to get the bracelet
like.

1517
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:16,880
Thank you.
That's.

1518
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,480
Funny.
OK well so I might go back and

1519
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:22,560
actually see if I can do the
full proper beating without

1520
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:27,040
rewind and save states.
But I did beat it using rewind

1521
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:31,200
and save states I intended.
I'm in the computer.

1522
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:36,840
And I'm glad I did, because now
not only do I know that Princess

1523
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,320
Prin Prin and Chun Li have the
same measurements for their

1524
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,880
bust, waist, and hips.
Thank you, creepy 90s game

1525
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,280
developer for including
measurements of your one female

1526
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:53,080
character.
But I got what apparently is a

1527
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,440
pretty rare glitch.
The game ends and during the

1528
01:23:56,440 --> 01:24:00,840
credit sequence there's a
montage of Arthur fighting

1529
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:02,960
enemies and running through the
levels again.

1530
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:08,840
But my Arthur on the replay
montage dies, He boops a jump

1531
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,920
and this screenshot I'm showing
you guys is from.

1532
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,080
I'm not controlling the game,
this is the AI controlling it.

1533
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:17,760
And when Arthur dies it will
actually stop.

1534
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:22,240
The music of the credit sequence
show the level select as if

1535
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,760
you're still playing Wow, and
the rest of the credits continue

1536
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,760
silently.
And I'm like, this game is so

1537
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:33,440
hard it can't even beat itself.
Were you doing any kind of

1538
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:35,320
control mapping?
No.

1539
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,320
OK, why?
One of things that happened to

1540
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:43,760
speedrun actually when they hit
the credits is it goes Arai and

1541
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,880
they were talking about that.
I think what it was doing is

1542
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,120
that it's kind of just doing
like a similar to like a tool

1543
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:51,680
system speed run.
It just has like a series of

1544
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:52,800
inputs to do.
Yeah.

1545
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,800
And mapping.
Remapping the controls actually

1546
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,040
gives it the wrong controls.
I know what you're talking about

1547
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,400
now.
The one thing I did do is I

1548
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,760
swapped the fire and jump
because it felt weird jumping

1549
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,400
with that button that's.
Hilarious.

1550
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,600
That's probably why, yeah.
It's not rare, it's just.

1551
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,320
Not intended.
Yeah, it's just not intended.

1552
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,360
I think in their case that they
had like doubled up like attack

1553
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:20,040
or something.
OK on 2 buttons for a for a

1554
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:21,560
reason.
The speeder.

1555
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:22,880
The speeder will be in the shout
outs.

1556
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,000
But yeah, so they actually do
talk about that of just

1557
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,960
basically it has a.
These are the button inputs.

1558
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:33,040
And if you've remapped them,
then the inputs it's doing or

1559
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,920
not what it actually should are
not having the result in game

1560
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,840
that it should.
That's cool.

1561
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:42,000
Well, so Cyril, you'd said that
this is one of the best reviewed

1562
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,200
Super Nintendo games.
I'm guessing a lot of that has

1563
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:45,640
to do with the look of it,
right?

1564
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:49,000
Because like I think visually
not not talk about how it runs

1565
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,520
and slow down all that stuff
because that's a major joy con.

1566
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,640
I think this game is a stunner
to look.

1567
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,400
At yeah, this is definitely the
best of the three, visually

1568
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,680
speaking.
And, I mean, it shows just how

1569
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:08,000
big of a gulf there was in those
two years between, you know, the

1570
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,280
Genesis game and the Super NES
game.

1571
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,080
Could this have been done on the
Genesis?

1572
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,920
Well, there are a couple of Mode
7 effects that probably would

1573
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,600
have been harder to pull off.
Those are gimmicky.

1574
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,480
But I think for the most part,
they probably could have been on

1575
01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:24,720
the Genesis.
But I that aside, I do think

1576
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,440
that this.
Yeah, I, there's stuff here

1577
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:30,880
that, you know, is some of my
favorite, visually speaking,

1578
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,960
some of my favorite of the
series.

1579
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,880
Like I know that Mike, you
didn't get very far in it.

1580
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,320
But my, all my favorite stuff is
like the water levels of the the

1581
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,880
haunted ghost ship, which is,
you know, in the, the, I think

1582
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:49,000
the second stage and the tidal
wave that comes up and all of

1583
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:53,480
that felt new and next
generation at the time.

1584
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,240
I think I saw the tidal wave
twice.

1585
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,160
Yeah, yeah, and and.
But it's interesting too,

1586
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,360
because like with the wave
sequence, you're in the

1587
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,280
foreground and the water is
ebbing and flowing.

1588
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,200
But when the water drops in the
foreground, it rises in the

1589
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,360
background and you can actually
see the Gila monster or whatever

1590
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,480
you want to call him, the
monster from the Black Lagoon

1591
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:14,880
bobbing in the background.
And that's your warning.

1592
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,120
He's coming.
Yeah.

1593
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,840
And that's, that's the neat
gameplay wise, the ice level

1594
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,480
with these avalanches that don't
hurt you, but they push you

1595
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,560
pretty much almost always off of
a platform to your death.

1596
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,520
The only way to survive them is
to grab onto the ladder and just

1597
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,640
let the snow hit you.
Because as long as Arthur's

1598
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,120
gripping the ladder, he the
avalanche will pass and he won't

1599
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,400
die.
You can also jump him.

1600
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,040
Can you?
Yep.

1601
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,120
Wow.
And, and this game does a lot

1602
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:46,800
with deforming the the the
platforms, yeah.

1603
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,600
Or I mean, you know, right from
the get go, you know, you see

1604
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,720
the level, you know, deforming
around you as enemies come up

1605
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:58,640
and, you know, or there's a
right here in the picture of the

1606
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:04,160
little flaming guy skeleton like
cart on wheels.

1607
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,560
Like that's something that on
its own isn't that big of a

1608
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,040
deal.
But then, you know, you get a

1609
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:13,000
little down that hill and it it
deforms just enough to, you

1610
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,280
know, to to send it after you
and.

1611
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,600
There's like physics there, like
it's rolling, you know?

1612
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,960
Yeah, I think the big stunner
serial feud agree was the level

1613
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,240
where it's, I think it's called
in the ghouls belly.

1614
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,600
And imagine a 2D platform or
when you jump onto these certain

1615
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:33,400
platforms, the level rotates
around you so that now what was

1616
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,760
previously the wall or the
ceiling is now your path

1617
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,040
forward.
Yeah, no, I mean that was

1618
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,840
definitely them having fun with
Mode 7 and seeing what they

1619
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,720
could, what they could do.
And I mean I the other big

1620
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,720
horror franchise Castlevania did
not the same thing but did a

1621
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,840
similar thing with Super
Castlevania 4.

1622
01:28:54,440 --> 01:28:56,840
So Mike, did you see any of the
bosses?

1623
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,120
Not for myself, I didn't.
OK.

1624
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,560
Like I checked out a speed run,
but yeah, I could just could not

1625
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,840
get through any of that.
Sure, I think the boss is pretty

1626
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,680
cool.
I wouldn't put them quite on the

1627
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,040
level of ghouls and ghosts, but
no, I think though there's an

1628
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:16,040
interesting concepts.
There are a couple of them that

1629
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,880
I really like.
Such as?

1630
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,680
I like the first one with the
the Vulture, the bird fight.

1631
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:27,520
I think the bird looks great.
Yeah, the dragon one the the OR

1632
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,320
hydra or whatever the the the
three headed dragon.

1633
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:35,240
I think that looks great.
The the snow 1 is OK or a

1634
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:38,760
crystal whatever the that that.
Marshmallow.

1635
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:45,080
The rest I'm a little iffy on
and especially like I'm a huge

1636
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:49,680
fan of the way Loki looks at the
at the end of the second game.

1637
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:54,440
And I think that the I forget
the the villains name in the

1638
01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:59,080
third one, but I that's a big
step down and he doesn't even do

1639
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,520
anything.
You kind of have to, like they

1640
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:05,520
had to invent floating platforms
just to make something out of

1641
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,440
it.
And I don't know that that

1642
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:09,840
didn't work for me.
What he's referring to is that

1643
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:13,800
Loki at the end of the second
game, he's this giant muscular,

1644
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:17,840
scary looking demon and the way
that you get high enough to hit

1645
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:21,720
him is to stand on his feet.
This was his game Pro TV tip.

1646
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,920
Stand.
Stand on his feet, and then when

1647
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,000
he raises his knee, you can jump
up and hit him in the chin.

1648
01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:31,160
Yeah, it's just the last boss of
Super Ghouls and Ghosts, just

1649
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,880
not nearly as clever, but the
ones that I really liked.

1650
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,640
I really love this weird worm
boss that through mode 7

1651
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:42,400
graphics, zooms in from the
background and swirls around you

1652
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:47,040
in such a tight circle that the
only way to move is to stand

1653
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:50,280
completely still.
And sorry, the only way to

1654
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,720
survive that's that was weird.
The only way to move is to stand

1655
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:54,960
still.
I'm a great teacher, Mike.

1656
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,520
The only way to survive is to
stand completely still.

1657
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,920
Like you're fighting the T Rex
in Jurassic Park and as long as

1658
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,160
you don't move, he'll circle
around you harmlessly.

1659
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:07,320
But then, you know, you have to
pick your window to attack the

1660
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:11,480
Hydra that you mentioned, you
have to kill its heads in a

1661
01:31:11,480 --> 01:31:15,240
certain order, and if you kill
it in the wrong order, its heads

1662
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,320
will detach, fly to the other
side of the screen and regrow a

1663
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:21,360
body for the boss.
So stuff like that.

1664
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,920
So I do agree it's not quite as
good, but I think there's some

1665
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,800
neat things here.
Definitely.

1666
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,760
Mike, did you ever get the green
armor in level 1?

1667
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,160
Green, yes.
Yeah, or excuse me, they call it

1668
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:36,800
bronze armor.
This game added a new middle

1669
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,160
point armor.
So it's not it's not the fully

1670
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:43,560
powered gold armor where you can
do your super attacks, but every

1671
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,000
projectile gets powered up and
some of them are pretty cool.

1672
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,200
Yeah, it upgrades the power ups
and in a lot of fun ways, though

1673
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:53,520
the the axe one becomes useless.
Why?

1674
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,640
Well, he, he shoots it like
directly up and and then it has

1675
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:04,040
like a weird trajectory and like
it's never going where you want

1676
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:06,920
it to go.
No, like I, I could never figure

1677
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:10,320
out like there must be a part of
the game where that would be

1678
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,880
super useful.
But for 99% of the rest of that

1679
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,800
game, it's not it.
It's actually a detriment.

1680
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,560
But like it turns the dagger
into this long laser, it makes

1681
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:25,120
the crossbows into homing shots
and then, you know, all of these

1682
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,000
carry over into the Super
attacks that you can do if you

1683
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,160
get the gold armor again.
But again, kind of a step down

1684
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:35,280
the Super attacks.
Well, also it makes you know not

1685
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:39,840
to be too negative here, but it
makes the some of the bosses too

1686
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:41,120
easy.
Yeah.

1687
01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:45,560
Like the homing, the homing
shots basically make a couple of

1688
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:49,760
the bosses super easy.
Like there's no no challenge to

1689
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,680
them.
Yeah, So should we get into the

1690
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:53,840
joy cons?
Because I think Mike's got

1691
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,560
something to say about super
goals and goes, what was what

1692
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:01,760
was so bad about it, Mike?
I think one part is I think it

1693
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,760
for as neat as it looks, I think
it runs really badly.

1694
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:08,280
Yeah.
Just how easily it was for that

1695
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,760
game to really start to
noticeably slow down.

1696
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,920
Actually to the point.
One thing we had touched upon

1697
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:18,000
which I never saw for myself was
that you also have the shield

1698
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:22,200
that you can get, which is like
an additional power up which the

1699
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,880
speed earners avoid because it
will avoid for a lot of it

1700
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,320
because it basically is just
another Sprite.

1701
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:33,360
It is separate from Arthur and
it already the game is

1702
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:38,440
struggling so much that it makes
it harder for them just to have

1703
01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:41,440
it.
Oh yeah, that's, that's not

1704
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:42,600
great.
Yeah.

1705
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:46,080
And then I think, I think Cyril
mentioned this a bit earlier,

1706
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:52,120
but like the way this handles
the double jumps, I do not

1707
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,920
really like, especially to the
extent that it kind of feels

1708
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:58,840
like it makes them necessary,
but they feel kind of clunky.

1709
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:02,600
They're real clunky.
The double jump is bad, yeah.

1710
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:06,800
And they they design the
platforming around kind of the

1711
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:11,040
worst part of it.
And yeah, that it's not that

1712
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,720
part of it is not fun.
And the reason it's so bad for

1713
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:18,640
those who haven't tried it is
that you can double jump, but

1714
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:22,760
you can't really influence the
1st jump or the second jump.

1715
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,320
The only variable is when are
you going to double jump.

1716
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:31,680
So it requires crazy amount of
precision because essentially

1717
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:35,840
for one gap now your timing, you
need two different jumps with

1718
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,440
perfect timing, perfect
placement.

1719
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,400
But my biggest issue with the
double jump I, I would hate it

1720
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,280
not even in a platforming
section which are awful.

1721
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:46,280
Like, look at this one.
You got these platforms rising

1722
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,760
out of the lava that'll only be
up for a limited amount of time,

1723
01:34:50,440 --> 01:34:54,080
and you're jumping to something
that has a jagged edge to it.

1724
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,680
Like, it's like there's so much
opportunity for this to go

1725
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:01,760
wrong, but it would screw me up
in combat because Arthur is

1726
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,160
never more vulnerable than when
he's jumping.

1727
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,360
In this series.
When you're jumping, you cannot

1728
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,560
retreat.
You cannot adjust your placement

1729
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:13,160
to dodge projectiles.
You're helpless until Arthur

1730
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,120
hits the ground.
And so now with a double jump,

1731
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:19,720
you've doubled the the amount of
time in which I'm helpless.

1732
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,160
It's rough.
Yeah, rough.

1733
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:23,920
It's rough.
It's rough.

1734
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:28,520
And this is, I mean, if you
don't have a whole lot of

1735
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:33,000
experience with early generation
Super NES games, then the

1736
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:37,600
slowdowns are real noticeable.
But that's just how Super NES

1737
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,880
games were in the early days
that that processor was not real

1738
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,040
fast, especially compared to the
Genesis.

1739
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:49,960
And this one isn't as bad as
like the Gradius game that came

1740
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:55,400
out the Gradius 3 and and some
of those or even Final Fight,

1741
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:59,960
Capcom's other launch game on
the Super NES, like that had

1742
01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:03,080
terrible slowdowns.
But here, yeah, it's real

1743
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:06,560
noticeable and it just, it gets
in the way.

1744
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,440
I I feel like I don't know,
Cyril, you had all the systems,

1745
01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:12,760
but someone listening will
understand this.

1746
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:17,800
It was kind of hard being a Sega
kid in the 90s because there

1747
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,560
were so many iconic series that
kids would be talking about in

1748
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,320
the playground that you just
couldn't get.

1749
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:26,560
You know, the Nintendo IP has
persisted in a way that the Sega

1750
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,760
IP simply hasn't.
So this felled me with a bit of

1751
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,520
Sega pride of like, you know,
you don't really think of the

1752
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,320
Genesis of being that much more
powerful than the Super

1753
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,600
Nintendo, because Super Nintendo
games are quite the lookers.

1754
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:44,800
But to go from ghouls and ghosts
to this and to have it run and

1755
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,240
play so much better on the
Genesis, I was like, OK, OK,

1756
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:51,440
Genesis.
And look, eventually a lot of

1757
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:56,080
those franchises did come to the
come to the Genesis.

1758
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:59,800
I mean, obviously the the reason
they were stuck on Nintendo for

1759
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:04,040
a long time is because Nintendo
wouldn't allow the third parties

1760
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:05,960
to make games on other systems.
I.

1761
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,360
Didn't know that.
Yeah, Oh my goodness, there's a

1762
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,840
whole Nintendo.
Yeah, it was draconian back in

1763
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:18,080
the 80s, especially with, you
know, they can only release a

1764
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:21,560
certain amount of games every
year and, you know, the third

1765
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,760
parties could.
That's why you had, you know,

1766
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:29,640
companies like Konami releasing
games under another label,

1767
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:35,480
Ultra, things like that.
And then also that they couldn't

1768
01:37:35,480 --> 01:37:38,560
port the games or release their
games on other systems or even

1769
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:42,560
be a third party to the other.
That's something that, you know,

1770
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:46,520
Namco had a big problem with
when, you know, they teamed up

1771
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:48,880
with Atari and, and created
Tengan.

1772
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:54,240
But eventually Nintendo couldn't
continue to do that.

1773
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,560
The, the third parties rebelled
and eventually both Konami and

1774
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:03,000
Capcom and then everybody else
basically became a, a Sega third

1775
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:06,920
party and you know that.
Then you got Street Fighter,

1776
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:09,880
then you got, you know, the
mutant turtles.

1777
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,720
Then you got all this, you know,
Contra and all the other stuff

1778
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:17,120
that people wanted those
franchises on the Genesis, for

1779
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,760
better or worse.
Well, I I definitely think for

1780
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:24,200
the genesis for this series for
the better and and it's weird

1781
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,040
that this game I I agree with
Mike.

1782
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:30,600
I didn't like it nearly as much.
I I I kind of really disliked it

1783
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,040
at points.
I would get so frustrated

1784
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:38,720
playing the same area for hours
and it's like, what am I doing

1785
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,200
with my life?
Is this like I kind of

1786
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,480
understood the Ryan Laurie bit
better?

1787
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:47,920
Anything else to complain about
super ghouls and ghosts before

1788
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,360
we rank these and render our
verdicts?

1789
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,480
Well, I, I want to bring it back
to the positive a little bit

1790
01:38:53,480 --> 01:38:55,760
because I, I, let's not dump too
much.

1791
01:38:56,200 --> 01:39:00,040
Like I, I agree that this is not
as good as ghouls and ghosts,

1792
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,120
but I also don't think it's a
bad game.

1793
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:05,400
And, and at least if we look at,
you know, I already mentioned

1794
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:09,120
that the reviews were really
good, but like this won an award

1795
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:13,040
in in EGM's best and worst
awards in 1991.

1796
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,480
It didn't win game of the year
that went to Sonic the Hedgehog

1797
01:39:16,480 --> 01:39:21,800
over Mario, but it was a good
year for for the Genesis.

1798
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:24,440
They really came out swinging in
91.

1799
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,480
They saved up all their best
stuff for that Super NES launch

1800
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:32,200
year.
And then but it this did win

1801
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:36,960
best sequel to an existing game,
which I again think is a clunky

1802
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,480
award title.
And this is a fitting game to

1803
01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:43,520
get a clunky award title.
Clunky.

1804
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,080
There you go, Mike.
But people, you know, people

1805
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,880
liked it and I think it's sold
well though.

1806
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,880
I mean, you know, the next
sequel was eight years later on

1807
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:54,320
the Wondrous 1 and never even
came over here.

1808
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:58,640
And then, you know, another
seven years for Ultimate Ghosts

1809
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:03,440
and Goblins on the the PSP and
then Ghosts and Goblins

1810
01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:06,360
Resurrection just a couple of
years ago in 2021.

1811
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:10,040
So like, you know, there's been
some big gaps after this.

1812
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,760
I think the only real problem
with this game is that it's too

1813
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:18,320
sparing with the checkpoints.
Definitely because I think,

1814
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:21,840
like, you know, Ninja Gaiden is
also notoriously difficult.

1815
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,400
But Mike enjoyed that one
because it was generous with

1816
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:27,040
checkpoints.
This game is stingy with

1817
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:31,000
checkpoints, but I do think it's
from an era where a game being

1818
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,920
tough was considered a value add
because he wanted to play it for

1819
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,720
months.
I think that also with that is

1820
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:41,560
two other things that felt like
it was coming up short. 1 was

1821
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:45,600
the lack of control on where
you're shooting comparatively,

1822
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,680
like the inability to just kind
of make well this one shot goes

1823
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:52,040
in this one spot that may or may
not be useful.

1824
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:54,800
You can no longer shoot up and
down, which is a huge quality of

1825
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:57,280
life.
A degrade, yeah.

1826
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:01,400
Yeah, like if, if that crossbow
had a little bit of extra aiming

1827
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:05,120
where it's sending out two at
like a 45° apart thing, but it's

1828
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,800
always a bit up and then a lot
more.

1829
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:13,240
And if he's like, well now I'm
on a hill so anything down is

1830
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:16,240
now impossible to hit.
Which is not how crossbows

1831
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:17,400
usually work.
Yeah.

1832
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:22,520
And then the other part to that
was also that the one bit of

1833
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:26,360
this that is actually not arcade
like is you actually have a

1834
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:28,480
limited number of continuous.
Yes.

1835
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:34,600
Like the point I stopped was I
had done one round through on

1836
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:37,480
what turned out to be not the
lowest difficulty setting, and

1837
01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:40,880
when I reach just the game over,
I can no longer continue.

1838
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,920
It goes back just to the intro
screen.

1839
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:47,400
I tried it again on the lowest
difficulty and I played through

1840
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:51,200
again until I reached the and
now you're out of the game, you

1841
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:55,840
know you can't continue.
And that is, that is for me a

1842
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:57,880
thing that switches it from, OK,
this is difficult.

1843
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:01,440
I'm dying a lot, but I can just
kind of keep pushing through to

1844
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:04,640
like, Nope, now I have to start
over.

1845
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,960
And even in this case, I was
always starting over at the same

1846
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:10,520
place because I was never
reaching any checkpoints, right?

1847
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:14,400
It's still, it disincentivized
me to go further because I knew

1848
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:18,040
that was going to happen later.
Whereas the others, as hard as

1849
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:20,480
they would get, was like, OK, if
I keep pushing through like I

1850
01:42:20,480 --> 01:42:23,440
have, ultimately I just need to
get to that next little bit and

1851
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:25,320
then I'm good to go until I can
figure out how to get to the

1852
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:26,800
next little bit.
This.

1853
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:31,240
Having that, Nope, you're done.
Well, and I mitigated that by in

1854
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,000
the menu you can up your number
of lives.

1855
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,520
So I don't know if you did that,
but I put it to 9.

1856
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:38,360
And you can change the
difficulty.

1857
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:41,920
Right, but at the point where I
started not being able to

1858
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,800
proceed, the monsters are worth
enough points that I was just

1859
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,560
always earning continues and
stuff.

1860
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,640
So I never ran out.
But I could see how if you did

1861
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:51,320
run out, that'd be super
frustrating.

1862
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,600
Any other talking points for
this game before we wrap up the

1863
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:57,720
episode?
Well I would say that Demons

1864
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:01,920
Crest is the like what this
should have been the the sequel

1865
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,120
that this should have been.
Oh, we're going to get to it and

1866
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:06,000
you're going to come back and
talk about it with us because

1867
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,080
the.
Scarlet Quest games?

1868
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:11,560
Did either of you play either of
the Maximo games?

1869
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:15,320
No, but I love that it's I mean,
so I I know that it's the

1870
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:18,800
spiritual successor at the
minimum because of the you get

1871
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,200
the hit, you get hit in your
boxers and everything.

1872
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:24,800
And it's kind of and I got that
cartoony medieval horror vibe to

1873
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,800
it.
Is it in this universe though?

1874
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:28,640
I think it's technically in
there.

1875
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:32,480
I mean, it's it, yeah, it's
considered a spin off, but I

1876
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:35,040
mean, you know, it has some of
the same enemies and stuff like

1877
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,880
that.
It's more in a 3D though.

1878
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:43,760
It's not like Super Mario 64 or
something where you know you

1879
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,080
have a level you can go and
explore.

1880
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,280
It's very much more in like a
Crash Bandicoot where you're

1881
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:52,120
limited and you're kind of
always going forward.

1882
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,880
Yeah, but that allows for some
pretty cool effects.

1883
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:59,480
And I talked about deforming
landscapes.

1884
01:43:59,480 --> 01:44:02,560
They do that really well.
In both of the Maximo game is

1885
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:06,400
where the levels will kind of
break around you in some pretty

1886
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,320
fantastic ways.
That's dope.

1887
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:13,040
The problem of course, is that
it was always designed to be a

1888
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:16,040
trilogy.
And you know the the 1st and 2nd

1889
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:19,120
have you essentially doing the
same thing, which is trying to

1890
01:44:19,480 --> 01:44:23,080
to save the the damsel in
distress that you didn't save in

1891
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,680
the first game.
And by the end of the second

1892
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,920
one, she's still out there
somewhere and they never made a

1893
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,840
third one.
Justice for whatever the Maximo

1894
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,600
Princess was.
Yeah.

1895
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,160
Oh yeah, and this also went back
to as the zombies are coming in

1896
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:38,840
now you can't really do anything
about them.

1897
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:40,920
Yeah.
However, sometimes you could

1898
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:42,800
jump on the coffin and sometimes
that would kill you and

1899
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:46,840
sometimes you could use that.
I I there was weird rules to

1900
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:49,600
whether or not that would be a
problem and I'm not fully sure.

1901
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:53,840
Yeah, Level 1.
The zombies rise out of the

1902
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:57,120
ground in their coffins, which
cannot be destroyed and will

1903
01:44:57,120 --> 01:45:00,880
hover in your way.
And you have to wait until the

1904
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,800
zombie jumps out of the coffin
to destroy it.

1905
01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:06,480
It's just the game
simultaneously makes a good and

1906
01:45:06,480 --> 01:45:08,640
a bad first impression because I
think, like he said, the

1907
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:11,040
earthquake is deforming it.
There's all these coffins

1908
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,040
floating around.
This is crazy, but is it fun?

1909
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:17,600
Yeah.
I don't know, I really like the

1910
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,040
like that picture you have up
right now.

1911
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:25,560
I I love the art direction of
the graveyard of how like the,

1912
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:28,600
the OR the, the tombstones and
everything.

1913
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:31,840
It just, it all flailed in all
directions.

1914
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,080
And I guess, I guess those are
caskets that have come up,

1915
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:35,200
aren't they?
Right.

1916
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:36,320
But it's still, it's cool,
though.

1917
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:40,040
It's cluttered in a scary way of
like, Oh my gosh, this is it's

1918
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:44,080
chaotic and it's cartoony.
I do also I also appreciate as a

1919
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:47,040
design choice that this throws
in and apart that I never saw

1920
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:52,760
for how much you kind of hope
for the chests in the first two

1921
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:57,960
games yeah the way that this
throws in basically the mimics

1922
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:03,320
on like the pirate ship yeah is
a nice additional touch like the

1923
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,880
design elements visually looked
neat.

1924
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:11,840
It was just the gameplay for me
was enough, enough of a wall

1925
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,640
that I if I if it wasn't for
speed runs, I wouldn't have seen

1926
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,080
them.
Yeah, You know, I, I never had

1927
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:20,960
noticed that they had changed
the crosses to Unks, like that's

1928
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:24,280
maybe back in the day that until
you brought that to my

1929
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:26,520
attention, I I never did notice
that.

1930
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,080
I guess I always thought they
they got away with that.

1931
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,400
You can never Unsee it.
Did either of you play?

1932
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:36,040
I'm sorry, I'm continuing this
on Did either of you play Holy

1933
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:38,040
Diver?
You know what that is?

1934
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:41,760
The Dio song.
It is sort of related.

1935
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,440
It's an old, it's an old IRM
game for the Nintendo

1936
01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:49,160
Entertainment System that was
kind of similar to this and, and

1937
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:52,800
Castlevania, except all of it is
heavy metal.

1938
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:56,880
Like all the people in it and
all the names and power ups and

1939
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:02,920
everything is all references to
to Heavy Metal like Dio and Ozzy

1940
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:08,360
and stuff like that show up and
not the real people, but you

1941
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:10,520
know, the names and power ups
and whatnot.

1942
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:15,680
And that was a game that was
going to come out of, I think

1943
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:19,840
they'd finished it for the US
version and Nintendo denied it

1944
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:24,240
because it had too much just
religious imagery in it.

1945
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:29,440
And now the retro bit package
that came out and that's the

1946
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:32,720
first official release of it.
And I worked on that.

1947
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:34,800
Wow.
That's cool.

1948
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:38,360
That's my.
My name is in the instruction

1949
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:40,480
manual that's on that picture
there.

1950
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:42,840
As like a historical consultant
for the game.

1951
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,400
I did the marketing for it.
That's awesome.

1952
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:52,000
My, my day job, if you will, is
to I do the marketing over at

1953
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,760
retro bet publishing.
And so if you ever watch any of

1954
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,360
their trailers or read any of
their press releases or anything

1955
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,160
like that, I, I made it.
That's why it's so good.

1956
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:05,280
And yeah, they've, they've been
doing a good job not to, you

1957
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:08,520
know, I know I'm biased, but
they've been doing a good job of

1958
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:14,440
bringing those games back that
never, never came out over here

1959
01:48:14,440 --> 01:48:17,840
or came out in a limited fashion
and are now going for, you know,

1960
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:21,360
6 or $700.00 and then, you know,
so the people could own them.

1961
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:26,080
And that was the very first game
that they brought out, and

1962
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,000
that's a real good one.
And if you like Ghosts and

1963
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:31,760
Goblins, you like any of the
games we talked about today, you

1964
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:34,560
owe it to yourself.
It really should come to the

1965
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:37,080
Nintendo classics.
There's no reason why it can't.

1966
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:40,480
You should check out Holy Diver.
It's really good, especially if

1967
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:43,720
you're in the metal.
It has a lot of fun references.

1968
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:47,560
So let's do a really quick rank
and retro segment since we have

1969
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:50,920
covered the entire Ghost and
Goblin series available on

1970
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:54,360
Nintendo Classic slash Nintendo
Switch Online.

1971
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:58,920
So we have the three categories.
We have the game that's the most

1972
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:02,360
super, the game that's a bit
ghoulish, and the game that you

1973
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:06,400
should probably ghost.
So starting with the Nintendo

1974
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:10,920
NES version of Ghosts and
Goblins Cyril, we are comparing

1975
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:15,240
the Genesis Ghouls and Ghosts
versus the NES Ghosts and

1976
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:17,400
Goblins.
Yeah, Oh yeah, the Genesis

1977
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:19,200
Ghouls and Ghosts is way better.
Right.

1978
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:24,240
And then, so then it comes down
to Super Nintendo's Super Ghouls

1979
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:26,480
and Ghosts.
That's better than the NES

1980
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:29,160
version.
Yes, I agree with that.

1981
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:33,440
I would pump up ghosts.
I'd pump up ghouls and ghosts to

1982
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:37,520
superb or super.
And I would agree and I think

1983
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:41,200
Super Ghouls and Ghosts is
better than the NES version.

1984
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:45,840
I don't think Mike agrees but I
think we have vote him 2 to one.

1985
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:49,160
So the official old switcheroo
ranking for the Ghosts and

1986
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:53,360
Goblins series Ghouls and Ghosts
is super super.

1987
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:55,200
Ghouls and Ghosts is a bit
ghoulish.

1988
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:57,640
And Ghosts and Goblins on the
NES.

1989
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:00,440
If you had the ghost one,
probably ghost that one.

1990
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,560
You get a bunch of other like
are we going to, are we going to

1991
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:06,080
rank the Master system?
They're not on the service.

1992
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,120
We're just comparing the three
that our listeners going to

1993
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:11,120
access.
But after recording, I'd love to

1994
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:12,400
hear what you thought about the
other ones.

1995
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:15,400
So I think we're going to wrap
that up for today, guys.

1996
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:18,840
We've covered the joy pros, the
joy cons, and every bit in

1997
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:21,000
between.
So it's time to declare each

1998
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:25,600
game from today's episode as a
Nintendo or a Nintendo don't.

1999
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:29,440
Starting out with Ghosts and
Goblins on the NES.

2000
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,880
Mike, this wasn't your least
favorite game of the night, but

2001
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:36,600
does it crossover into Nintendo
territory for you?

2002
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,000
For me, I think it actually
does.

2003
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:44,760
It was frustrating, but I think
the fact that once I reached a

2004
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,560
checkpoint or end of a level,
like I could continue from there

2005
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,960
and there was just enough of
those to kind of keep going.

2006
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:55,400
Like this was one that after the
first round buy, I still came

2007
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:58,960
back to to try to push further
than I'd gotten before.

2008
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:05,680
OK, so Cyril, Nintendo, yeah.
No, I, I I this is not as good.

2009
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,640
Like, I would not say that you
should play this version over

2010
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:10,640
the arcade.
You should definitely play the

2011
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:13,720
arcade version.
But, you know, if if you're not

2012
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:16,000
going to do that and you're just
going to play one and you're

2013
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:19,080
stubbornly going to do it on the
Switch, then yeah, I'd say this

2014
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:22,520
is a is just on the cusp of
being a do.

2015
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:26,600
Well, I will just be the
contrarian and say that it's,

2016
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:29,080
it's, it's rough.
It's rough for me.

2017
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:34,560
I think the the stickiness of
how the game controlled made it

2018
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,480
frustrating to the point that I
think your time can be best

2019
01:51:37,480 --> 01:51:40,280
spent somewhere else.
Ghouls and Ghosts on the Sega

2020
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:43,760
Genesis.
I think it's a Super Nintendo.

2021
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:50,400
I think this game is so good and
I love how fast it is and I love

2022
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,920
that once you learn it, it
doesn't really take that long to

2023
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:54,760
get through even if you do 2
full runs.

2024
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:57,680
So Super Nintendo for me.
Cyril also.

2025
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,680
I mean, it's got to be a
recommend if you're doing.

2026
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:04,320
Oh yeah, yeah, no, the I spoiler
alert, I'm going to be a do for

2027
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,360
all these.
They're all pretty good.

2028
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,840
Well, with Is this a Nintendo 64
for you?

2029
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:11,960
Is this a must?
Is it a must play?

2030
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:14,000
It's.
More of a 3DS.

2031
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,960
OK.
So Mike also recommend.

2032
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:20,240
Yeah, I think I'd also go Super
Nintendo on this.

2033
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:24,160
I think it is easily playable
and I think actually didn't

2034
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:26,920
bring up I don't know too much
other than the speed run runners

2035
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:29,760
talk about this for different
reasons was that this also had

2036
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:33,240
AI guess a little bit of sort of
a dynamic adjustment to

2037
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:36,520
difficulty.
And so like basically if you are

2038
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:40,440
not dying at all, if you're kind
of doing stuff very well, it

2039
01:52:40,440 --> 01:52:43,560
will up the difficulty a little
bit, which was not a problem for

2040
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:47,400
me.
But like for the speed runs of

2041
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,400
this, there's spots where
they'll take a death so that

2042
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,720
upcoming stuff is not harder,
right?

2043
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:57,160
Of these three, this is
definitely one that I felt was

2044
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:59,840
like the most accessible.
Yeah, it's the best of the

2045
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:03,120
three.
So going on to the final game,

2046
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:07,800
Super Ghouls and Ghosts, I
wanted to say Nintendo because

2047
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:14,080
of how visually cool it is, but
something feels off about this

2048
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:19,720
game coming out two years later
and just being so much less fun

2049
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:22,120
to play.
But then I'm like, well, but you

2050
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:25,240
got to get the expansion pack if
you want to play the Genesis 1.

2051
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:28,080
So is this a good enough
substitute that it's still a

2052
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:30,880
Nintendo?
I don't think it is.

2053
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:36,160
I think this is a very reluctant
Nintend don't just because I

2054
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:37,920
don't think I thought the
weapons were worse.

2055
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:39,760
I thought the bosses weren't as
cool.

2056
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,160
I thought that the jumping was
much worse.

2057
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:44,320
I thought the checkpoints were
worse.

2058
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:49,680
Not saying it's it has no value,
but I don't think I I my heart

2059
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:51,440
says reluctant.
Nintend don't.

2060
01:53:51,440 --> 01:53:53,440
Cyril, where do you land on
super goals and ghosts?

2061
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:57,280
Best sequel to an existing game?
OK, so a Nintendo.

2062
01:53:57,600 --> 01:53:59,280
So you're a Nintendo for this
one as well?

2063
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:03,960
No, I think yeah, I like I said,
this one is the middle of the

2064
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:07,480
three for me.
But I you know, I still, I think

2065
01:54:07,480 --> 01:54:09,920
they're all like, I wasn't even
thinking about it in the sense

2066
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:15,240
of like the, yeah, I guess you
do need to pay extra to get the

2067
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:18,960
Genesis, you know, if you if you
don't have the expansion pack.

2068
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:21,800
I wasn't even thinking thinking
about it that way.

2069
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:25,840
I assume most people that don't
have a switch are just emulating

2070
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:26,520
it anyway.
But.

2071
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,680
We can't formally recommend
that.

2072
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,680
Mike, How?
How far in the world of Nintendo

2073
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:34,240
are you going to go for Super
Ghouls and Ghosts?

2074
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,560
I mean, I think it lives up to
the Super I I'd go Super

2075
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:39,480
Nintendo on it.
Yeah, OK.

2076
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:46,120
We're not in Nintendo 60. 4
levels though, No, but it it

2077
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:51,400
definitely just, I mean I I in a
heartbeat I'd go back to the NES

2078
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:55,000
game over this one.
Wow, OK.

2079
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:58,040
The graphics are better, but I
think the gameplay is just so

2080
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:00,640
much less fun that the graphics
don't overcome that.

2081
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:05,360
Gotcha, gotcha.
Now it's worth mentioning that

2082
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:10,840
recently we did a thing based on
reviews where I counted down the

2083
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:17,520
top 276 games on the Nintendo
Classics or Nintendo Switch

2084
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:20,360
Online.
Oh yeah, where do these land?

2085
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:24,600
And so now there have been two
games since then, so now they're

2086
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:29,760
up to 200 and I think 78.
But at the time when it was 276,

2087
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:37,520
it was so Ghosts and Goblins was
#212 that had an average of 72%.

2088
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:41,720
According to old critic reviews.
Yes, the the reviews at the

2089
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:44,920
time, no, nothing that that came
later.

2090
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:52,480
And then Ghouls and Ghosts on
the Genesis was #38 with a 90%

2091
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:58,480
average, Yes.
And Super Goals and Ghosts, with

2092
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:03,240
an 89% average, was at 49.
Wow.

2093
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:05,120
Closer than I would have
expected though.

2094
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:10,520
Yeah, so I mean wolves and
ghosts, the top Top 40.

2095
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:12,960
Yeah.
That's, you know, that's, that's

2096
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:15,120
pretty good.
It's right in between Metroid 2

2097
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:18,720
and Super Mario World 2.
So I mean, it's good company.

2098
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:20,360
Streets of Rage 2 right in
there.

2099
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:23,160
At the time you did that, do you
remember offhand how many games

2100
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:25,480
there were that didn't have
reviews to get included?

2101
01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:28,360
Like I I think Sudden Punishment
was the one of the ones you

2102
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:30,360
mentioned specifically.
Yeah, yeah.

2103
01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:32,680
Sin and punishment there.
There's a a handful.

2104
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:36,880
I can actually get you that
answer real quickly.

2105
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:38,600
It's 33.
OK.

2106
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:42,080
But it's OK, it's a lot.
There's the Japanese stuff like

2107
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:47,200
Pulse Man and F0 Climax and,
and, and obviously like Star Fox

2108
01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:50,120
2 didn't get any reviews back in
the day because it didn't come

2109
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:53,200
out.
But there's also stuff like City

2110
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:58,880
Connection on the NES or Donkey
Kong 3 on the NES that just

2111
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:02,360
nobody reviewed it.
There are no English magazine

2112
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:04,440
reviews for Donkey Kong Junior
Math.

2113
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:06,920
Like just no magazine covered
it.

2114
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:08,280
Well, you know who's gonna cover
it?

2115
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:09,720
Us.
Cuz I mean, you have to, you

2116
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:13,880
have to remember that, you know,
for the most part, after the

2117
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:18,120
great games crash of 83 here in
the US, magazines were gone.

2118
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:22,280
Like gaming magazines didn't
really pop up and I mean Steve

2119
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:26,120
Harris with Electronic Gaming
Monthly tried to start his own

2120
01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:30,320
they he had electronic game
player come out in 1988 and

2121
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:34,560
nobody he couldn't get national
distribution And then you know,

2122
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:38,400
Nintendo Power comes out a
couple of months later is huge

2123
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:41,760
and suddenly everybody wants
game magazines again.

2124
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:47,800
But by that .1989, you know,
four years of the NES, you know,

2125
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:50,200
there had been four years had
passed since the NES came out.

2126
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:52,480
So a lot of the early stuff
didn't get reviews.

2127
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:57,320
And you know, Tecmo Bowl and
Mighty Bomb Jackets like it just

2128
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:01,280
they didn't get covered.
So basically anything from 1989

2129
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:05,680
on got reviews?
So if you want the most in depth

2130
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:10,120
coverage of gaming coverage, you
got to check out Cyril's website

2131
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:12,200
because we're going to call that
game over for today.

2132
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:18,200
The final scores are Ghosts and
Goblins, a Nintendo, Ghouls and

2133
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:21,760
Ghosts, a Nintendo and Super
Ghouls and Ghosts because Mike

2134
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:24,840
and I had a rare moment of
agreement, decided to knock that

2135
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:28,480
one down to Nintendo.
Cyril, you've been so amazing

2136
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:31,200
today and thank you for always
being so involved in our

2137
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:33,280
Discord.
You make it so, so informative,

2138
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:36,760
so fun.
More people should join it and

2139
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:40,720
they should go to
defunctgames.com, check out the

2140
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:44,920
Defunct Games website, and if
they go over to Kickstarter,

2141
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:48,400
they should pledge for the
Electronic Gaming Monthly

2142
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:51,040
Compendium, which I'm featured
in.

2143
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:54,280
That's a book coming out about
the history of Electronic Gaming

2144
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:57,680
Monthly.
It has something like 1.6

2145
01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:00,320
million earned already.
It's huge.

2146
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:02,360
It's going to be amazing.
It's going to be so cool.

2147
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:03,880
Congratulations on that, by the
way.

2148
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,280
So all that sounds Northeast.
Excellent.

2149
01:59:06,280 --> 01:59:09,040
Everyone join us next time.
We'll be crusading through our

2150
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:14,280
very first SNK title, the cult
classic Crystallis or

2151
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:15,920
Crystallis.
Crystallis.

2152
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:19,200
Crystallis for the NES.
That's a good one.

2153
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:23,320
Also don't forget to visit
www.theoldswitcharoo.com.

2154
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:26,360
There you can find links to our
Spotify, YouTube, Instagram, and

2155
01:59:26,360 --> 01:59:28,680
all the social medias you can
shake a joystick at.

2156
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,160
You can even leave an old timey
voicemail, meaning we would

2157
01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:34,280
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Or even better, join the fun on

2158
01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:37,720
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2159
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:40,440
make a friend or two.
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2160
01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:43,120
our incredible intro song.
And thank you dear Listener for

2161
01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:46,040
liking, commenting, subscribing,
reviewing, and playing along

2162
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:49,440
with us every step of the way.
This has been the old switcheroo

2163
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:52,160
where you've been talking gaming
retro with Mike and Jamo.

2164
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:54,920
I've been Mike.
And I've been jamo game on

2165
01:59:54,920 --> 02:00:09,920
everyone.
The Genesis days were great.

2166
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:12,800
I that's, that's my, that's my
bread and butter.

2167
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:15,440
I almost put the Genesis in my
favorite console.

2168
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:17,720
Really.
Almost.

2169
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:20,920
Definitely one of the more
underrated.

2170
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:25,240
I mean, it was beloved, but you
know, it lives in this shadow of

2171
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:26,640
a lot of other things at this
point.

2172
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:30,520
Yeah, at this point, I mean,
maybe it didn't beat Nintendo,

2173
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:35,000
but at least Tide like that was,
you know, unthinkable a few a

2174
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:38,560
few years before that.
A couple years they were beating

2175
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:41,800
Nintendo in sales and that I
remember that being like

2176
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:44,400
monumental.
Well, and I think that I mean,

2177
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:48,280
you know, you look at the sales
now and you know, they basically

2178
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:52,280
tied that generation was a tie.
But that's fine.

2179
02:00:52,360 --> 02:00:56,160
It's like Rocky.
The object isn't to beat Apollo

2180
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:58,240
Creed.
The object is just to get him to

2181
02:00:58,240 --> 02:01:01,880
the end, just to just to live
the whole the whole game.