S3E11: Clu Clu Land, Mario's Picross and Super Picross -or- Steganographic Imagery Viewer Discretion Advised

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I don't know where my Genesis
could be.

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I haven't seen my Super Nintendo
since 2003.

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That's all right.
I don't mind.

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I've got a switch in the old
switch room.

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My friend Mike and Jamo too.
All right everyone, welcome back

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to the old Switcheroo where
we're again talking gaming retro

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with Mike and Jamo.
I'm Mike.

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And I'm Jamo play along on our
epic quest to research and

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review all 250 plus games in the
Nintendo Classics catalog.

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Today we are striving to see the
bigger picture as we dive deep

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into Clue Clue Land for the NES
and Mario's Pick Cross for the

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Game Boy and Super NES in an
episode we are calling

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Steganographic Imagery.
Viewer discretion advised Mike.

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I learned a new word for today's
title, Steganography.

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Are you familiar with it?
It's when you draw a

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Stegosaurus, right?
Yeah, you could.

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You could with little boxes,
Yeah, kind of.

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It's the art of hiding an image
or message within an object.

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And I think it's easy, easy to
see the connection with today's

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titles.
But Speaking of connection, I'd

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like you to please welcome our
new friend by way of the

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underrated movie podcast.
It's Andrew from the nothing new

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Remake podcast.
Andrew, why don't you reveal

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yourself to our listeners?
Hello, I'll reveal myself all at

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once and not one line at a time
or one dot at a time.

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I mean, in a way you are
revealing yourself one line at a

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time 'cause you're just.
That's true transcript joke.

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Wow, we're crossing over from
from imagery to words and back

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to imagery.
We're multimedia.

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Speaking of multimedia, though,
nothing new.

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Tell us about it, because I'm a
fan.

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Thank you.
Nothing new.

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A remake podcast is something
that myself and Justin Keys on

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my Co host we we do every month
an episode talking about film

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remakes.
There's a lot of them.

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They're definitely never going
to stop.

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They've been going on since the
beginning of Hollywood.

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So we're we're happy to talk
about an original film and its

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remake forever.
It's truly there's there's a lot

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of them out there.
You know, Disney keeps doing

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live action remakes of their
animated films.

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There's an unending amount of
remakes and I think they're

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they're really fascinating the
the good and the bad.

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So it's that's what we do.
I love it academically because

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like, well, first of all, I
think as a concept it's great

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because a remake, everyone has a
hot take, which is either that

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the new one is actually better
or it's trash.

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Right?
Yeah.

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But like, when you you went
through one of your episodes,

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you kind of took us all the way
back to the beginning of film.

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And it's like remakes have
always been around.

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It's not this weird trend.
It's it's a timeless thing and

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but so is there Is this a lame
question to ask?

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I don't know why I should ask
this Mike, but like I'm curious

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what each of our favorite
remakes are.

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Oh.
I think there's objectively a

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right answer, right?
It's John Carpenter's The thing

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is the best remake of all time.
Wow, come on.

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That's that's a pretty good one.
I'm right.

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I'm a really big fan of the
Greta Gerwig Little Women.

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And when we did our episode, we
compared it to the, the 90s

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version.
And I, I just think, you know,

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Greta Gerwig found the new way
to tell that story that has

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'cause there's a version from
the 40s, there's a version from

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the 30s.
They, they did ATV show.

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There's a Hallmark show, there's
a Hallmark Christmas movie about

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it.
You know, it's like those, that

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little women's story has been
told so many times.

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And and somehow that Greta
Gerwig version, I was like, Oh,

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you, you cracked it in in a new
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It's and, and got a great cast
to do it.

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And and I that that really
excited me to see that.

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I didn't know that was a thing.
I am absolutely Googling that as

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soon as we're done here.
I didn't know she did live with

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it.
Mike, do you have a favorite

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remake?
The first one that I can think

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of I think falls more into RE
adaptation would be Muppet

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Christmas Carol, although
Airplane as basically a comedy

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remake of 0 Hour is also very
tempting.

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Oh, right, it's like a parody of
that.

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Yeah, and it's very weird
because some of it is so direct

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that like the setup is already
in the original movie.

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So like you watch the original
movie and your brain starts

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completing jokes because the
setups there but not the

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punchline because they just
added the punchline.

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Oh, it's in the vein of
superhero movie.

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I don't know if you guys ever
saw that, but it's kind of a

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shot for shot parody of the
first Spider Man film, you know,

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and it's like beat for beat.
So you're right.

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I didn't, I didn't realize that
I got to see this not funny.

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Airplane.
I guess it's not the spin off

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though.
Airplane is the spin off.

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Yeah, I mean, I mean, it it it's
funny in its own way.

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Like, yeah, there, there's a
reason they picked it.

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Awesome.
Well, definitely going to check

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that out.
But for right now, guys, I think

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these hidden treasures aren't
going to expose themselves.

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Are you ready to peek behind the
curtain?

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Yeah.
Yep.

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OK, so let's start off with Klu
Klu Land on the NES, released in

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1985.
As described on Nintendo

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Classics, the greedy sea urchins
have stolen all of Klu Klu

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Land's gold bars and buried them
in a series of mazes as Bubbles,

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a brave bubble fish.
You'll set out to uncover all of

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the gold bars in each maze, but
you have to be careful.

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Sea urchins will pursue Bubbles
relentlessly, and there are also

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dangerous black holes that must
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Bubbles isn't defenseless,
though, as she has the ability

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to stun sea urchins with sound
waves and quickly change

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direction using posts scattered
throughout the stages.

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Not only that, but the locations
of the gold bars in each maze

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form the outline of another
object, so once you know the

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object, you're well on your way
to find him the gold.

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With 21 stages to complete and
increasingly complex conditions

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like having to pass over the
gold bars twice to uncover them,

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you might just want to bring
along a friend for a help.

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Oh my gosh, what's long?
Is is this like the most overly

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complicated explanation of what
happens in this game?

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Yeah, although it leaves us some
interesting things, like I think

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this may be our first game with
the female protagonist that

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we've.
Covered.

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I was.
OK, I was going to go into that

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with the trivia, but Bubbles is
low key a leading pioneer in

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female characters in video games
because like, even Miss Pac-Man

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predates us by two years, but
Miss Pac-Man is Pac-Man with a

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bow.
So I think there might be an

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academic argument the Bubbles
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first like fully original female
protagonist of a video game.

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I also find it just odd that
like bubbles, the bubble fish

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feels so lazy.
Close enough, but when I read

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this description like and I ran
out of breath reading it, I

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remembered that fantasy star
four I think has a 2 sentence

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thing.
It's like young man bands with

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his friends to fight a great
evil 48 hour game clock in the

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land.
It's too much.

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Well, since the box art was off
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let's take a look at Klu Klu
Land's box art for the NES.

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For those who've never seen it
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art of Klu Klu Land is more or
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which, as Abe Simpson would say,
was the style at the time.

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Bubbles is zipping up to the top
of the box, blasting out a sound

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wave attack at an unseen enemy
while reaching out to grab a

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turn post.
Andrew, you picked this game?

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Did you have the box as a kid?
No, I this is I I need to reveal

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my first interaction with cuckoo
land was through Animal

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Crossing.
Oh nice.

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On the original Animal Crossing
they had it where you could

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acquire NES games to play in
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And so I loved collecting those
and and finding all of them and

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getting them all together.
And Cuckoo Land was fascinating.

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I I've never seen a game like
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And the box.
It's very funny because the box

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art is exactly what is in the
game, but it really doesn't

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prepare you for the gameplay
itself.

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No, not, not in the slightest.
Like Mike.

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I mean, look at the turnpost,
Mike.

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What do those look like to you?
Because they don't look like

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turnposts.
Because they're viewed perfectly

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from above.
Eggs.

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I was thinking like a burger
time kind of thing because those

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look like fried eggs and the
gold bars look like blades or

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whatever.
But I love that you encountered

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this through Animal Crossing my
my $1,000,000 idea.

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OK Nintendo, you listening?
OK.

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I don't think we ever got this
in an episode yet.

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Mike, did you?
You played Animal Crossing on

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the Switch, Andrew?
Yeah, yeah.

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OK.
And and did you play it quite a

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bit like most of us did?
Yeah.

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So when the next one comes out,
we're all going to be a little

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sad to have lost the islands we
worked so long on, right.

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So my billion dollar idea is
that in Animal Crossing for the

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switch too, you should be able
to buy a switch and play your

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old island game within a game
style and all it's really all

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it's really doing is just it's
just booting up the other game

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really quickly.
But then now this thing you

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worked hard on is like a
decoration in your house, you

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know, I don't know, I think it's
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I.
Mean at that point just have it

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be a launcher and you can play
anything within it.

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Well, yeah, I mean, Nintendo
classics should be playable from

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within Animal Crossing.
It it is funny to think that in

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Animal Crossing they were just
giving us these games and now

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it's like, OK, now pay us a
monthly fee to even get access

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to them.
But it's interesting though,

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because like the price of
Nintendo Switch online, is it

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crazy low compared to other
gaming Xbox Game pass style

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services.
You know, it's it's still, I

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think 20 or 30 bucks for a whole
year and that's like my monthly

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fee for Xbox.
But you're right, though, it is

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kind of funny, like how we're
viewing and valuing these old

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games.
I, I, I think that's

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interesting.
Can we all agree the Japanese

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box is better?
Like I love this box.

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Oh yeah.
Andrew, what's better about it?

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Oh my God.
Well, first of all, it's like a

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you, you understand what you're
looking at.

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But I, I love the, I love the
old box art that is like a

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dramatically different art style
from anything in the game.

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So it's like, I just love this.
This is what we're supposed to

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be seeing.
But because of pixelated

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graphics, what we actually see
is what we're seeing.

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But it's like this is what it's
supposed to be.

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It's a cartoony Saturday morning
comic kind of cereal box mascot

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sort of drawing, and Bubbles is
fleeing from a pair of sea

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urchins towards the customer.
But more importantly, now you

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can tell she's whipping around
the turnpost.

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She's grabbing this turnpost as
she runs, and the momentum is

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carrying her in a circle towards
the gold bars.

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It's like it's actually a really
clever way to communicate kind

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of what this game is going to
play like, or is supposed to

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feel like anyway.
I find it fascinating that this

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feels even less clear that those
are sea urchins and she's a

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fish.
I don't think you could show

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this to anybody alive and ask
them what are these meant to be

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and figure out that a she's a
fish because there's nothing

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fish like.
And then obviously like hands

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and feet are not generally
associated with fish, and the

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sea urchins feel more like a
amoeba or something.

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Yeah, yeah, definitely don't
read as like, Spiky.

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Yeah, there's no there, there
really not spikiness there.

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I I wonder if the fish was a
later idea.

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They just had this kind of
concept and they're like, well,

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why, why is this happening?
Yeah, she's a fish, right,

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'cause I could kind of looks, I
mean the amoeba thing, it's

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like, and then she's red like
and like a red blood cell like

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is this, did this start?
Is like a it's inside your body,

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like protecting you.
But now it they were like, oh,

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that's too weird.
Let's just make her a fish.

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Yeah, I'd never.
I just, I mean, I think that the

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fishness of the main character
bubbles kind of serves the

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gameplay because you can't go
backwards, right?

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Just how fish can't swim
backwards.

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So you have to be constantly
going in a direction.

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'Cause if she stops, she'll die.
Yeah, we saw that in two player

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mode.
We'll get to it later, but when

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you get stuck in clue, clue and
don't go great.

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So this was developed and
published by Nintendo.

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It was directed by Kenji Miki,
whose work we have seen many

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times on this podcast, including
baseball, Warios, Woods, Mario

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Party, Pokémon Snap, Mario Kart
Super Circuit and our game from

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last episode, Mike Blast core.
Like this guy is Mr. Nintendo

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Switch on like, excuse me,
Nintendo classics.

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Sorry, I've got some knowledge
of Nintendo Power trivia for you

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guys.
Klu Klu Land was released as

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Kuru Kuru Land in Japan.
Kuru Kuru is considered an

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onomatopoeia in Japanese,
commonly used as an adverb to

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describe something moving in
circles.

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And I'm not sure why localizers
thought that Klu Klu was better

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because to me it almost This is
real stupid.

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OK, but when I hear Klu Klu, I
think it's going to be like a

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mystery game because the only
context I have for the word clue

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is a a hint or Tim Curry.
Maybe that's what they wanted.

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So I don't.
Know, I mean, it is a mystery.

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You're revealing the puzzle.
OK, right.

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Yeah.
I was wondering, I was like how

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intentional was this?
I'm just going to put this out

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there.
If they really want to come up

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with a theme that would work,
keep the same name.

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I'm going to read on a updated
version of this game.

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I think you can turn this into
light cycles and turn this into

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a Tron thing because then you
have clue.

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From.
The neutron.

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OK, Wow, Wow.
OK.

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But the whole.
Yeah, yeah, that was better than

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expected.
That was good, Mike.

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I was pretty clever.
So a port of Klu Klu Land was

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finally the final title released
for the Famicon Disk System.

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It was a floppy disk Nintendo
system that never made it to the

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States.
And so Klu Klu was the final

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game for that system.
Klu Klu Land lives on mostly

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through cameos.
Multiple iterations of the game

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have appeared in the Warioware
series.

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Including. 3D Yeah, reimagining
of the title for the Wii title.

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Warioware Smooth Moves.
You ever play this one, Andrew?

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No, I, I didn't play that one.
Now I'm like, oh, I gotta go

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find a copy.
You gotta go check out the 3D

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Klu Klu Land.
But to be clear though, it's in

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a Warioware game so you get to
play this for about 5 seconds.

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Hey, that's some of the
sometimes that's the best thing.

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The sea urchin enemies, called
Unira, have been throwable

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weapons in the Smash Brothers
series since 2008, and Bubbles

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appears as a playable character
in the original Super Mario

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Maker as well as in the Clue
Clue Land inspired Game Boy

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Advance game DK King of Swing.
So I thought that was kind of

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fun.
That that's really weird.

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But I'm showing, I'm showing the
character select and it's like

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the Donkey Kong characters who
are much more detailed and kind

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of 16 bit and then you kind of
have bubbles just over there in

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her 8 bit glory.
I wonder if people who played

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King of Swing even knew who
Bubbles was, because if I saw a

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character named Bubbles that
look like that in a Nintendo

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game, I would just say I I don't
know.

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I would either say I don't know
who this is or is this from

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Bubble Bobble.
You know, it's like so weird.

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You know what I was thinking,
MM, Your mind is my mind, OK?

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Not usually.
OK, well watch this though.

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OK, Will you just give me a
second?

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Looking at Bubbles, her
character design, she's a red

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dot with, like, little arms and
like, a little face, Right?

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And her name's Bubbles.
Mike, do you remember there was

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a Genesis game about a soda
mascot?

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It's the 7UP dot, right?
Yeah, the cool spot, I would

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think this is look OK.
Cool spot means a lot to a very

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small number of people.
So no sunglasses though.

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No sunglasses, but maybe this is
what cool spot looks like

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without a sunglasses.
We don't know.

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I find it funny that there's a
bubbles in a mostly primate

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centered game and it is not the
bubbles the monkey.

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Michael Jackson's bubbles.
Unless you know another one it.

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Don't it?
Don't.

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And better stats all around the
Donkey Kong.

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Bubbles is better at bubbles.
A fish is better at jumping than

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Donkey Kong.
Swinging, but yeah.

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Bubbles.
The bubbles is the OG swinger so

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you better have the highest
status.

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Hey, don't deride the first
female video watch.

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You know what?
Look at me though.

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Maybe.
Maybe I'm being problematic.

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Maybe nothing.
You know what?

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Don't.
Shame her right?

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Swing it.
I am the problem.

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We got to change topics.
This is getting weird.

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Before we get in the joy pros
and joy cons of Clue Clue Land,

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What's our history with this
game and how far did we each

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get?
So Andrew, you said you first

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played this through Animal
Crossing.

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Yeah.
Did you play it a lot?

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Like, did you get hooked on it
or was it just kind of this

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oddity to you?
Yeah, I kind of got hooked on

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it.
It was in original Animal

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Crossing.
I feel like.

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I mean, obviously I was younger,
so I didn't know how to play it

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perfectly.
I was just kind of doing

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whatever.
I feel like I would run out of

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things to do around the town.
And so I was like, well, I still

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want to play this game and I
just go play the NES games in

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the game.
So this was definitely one that

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I played a lot.
I, I because I had very strong

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memory of the, the shapes and of
the, the bouncing, like the

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trampoline element.
I was like, oh, I remember being

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really pissed off at those
things.

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Rightfully so.
Yeah, we'll get into it with the

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joy cons.
I think we can have a lot of

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those.
But so Andrew, do you have an

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opinion about whether or not
you've beaten this game?

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Like do you know what would you
consider beating Clue Clue land?

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I mean, there's a, there's a
limited number of shapes, right?

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There's got to be, what did they
say, like 21 shapes or

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something?
There's like 8 shapes that

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cycle.
There's 20.

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OK, and so so being that this
was originally at least in

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partner arcade game, there's no
credit sequence to reach.

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There's levels one through 22
are like your first like series

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of shapes and whatever.
And then 23 to 42 everything

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repeats.
But this time you can't OK, so I

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should I should first say for
people who haven't played the

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game, the goal is to collect all
the treasure and the treasure

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forms a secret image, right?
But after level 22, if you pass

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over treasure you've already
found, you will flip it face

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down and have to activate it a
second time.

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It's.
Brutal.

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I I think I've made it that far
and then died because I didn't,

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I didn't understand what was
happening and then just died.

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It's weird.
It's like, it's like this game's

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already tough and you're like,
why do I suck at this game all

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of a sudden?
Yeah, So I also made it that

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far, but did not get through the
hard mode.

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So I don't think I beat this.
Did you, Andrew?

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Yeah, I wouldn't.
I guess I wouldn't consider that

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I beat it because I I couldn't
have gotten past one or two of

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those hard mode levels.
That just sounds infuriating.

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They, they, it's just, it's
already hard.

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The, the control scheme on this
game is like difficult by

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design, but it's, it's so
different from anything else

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that you've controlled.
So it's like fun to play, but

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it's I, I would not take the
time to beat it if I hit that

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point and I was like, yeah, I'm
over it.

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Yeah, and even rewinding kids
talking and that still felt

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impossible.
Mike, how'd you do with it?

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And had you ever encountered it
before?

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So I'd never encountered it
before.

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I kind of gave this game like
two shots and the first shot was

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because I'd gone through the
manual.

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The manual somewhat explains
this.

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Most notably it also.
So there's sort of a structure

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of I think like 4 levels and
then a bonus level.

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And so each of the four levels,
there's a different background

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color or wall color, I guess
really.

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And there's a few possible
patterns that you could have on

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each of those.
So based off the color you're

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kind of limited down to, it can
only be a few shapes.

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And the manual actually has that
in there.

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So the first time I played this
was just, I just got through the

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manual and I was getting fed up
with this game quickly.

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The second time through I
actually printed out that page

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of the manual so I had it next
to me so that I could really

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quickly keep an eye on what
shape this was supposed to be.

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Did that help?
It helped.

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Somewhat.
It still gets fairly frustrating

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because you have a fairly short
time interval.

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That's a very, it's a very large
number that counts down very,

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very fast and that's very
unpleasant.

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But there's these trampolines
and kind of the that's it, I'm

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done with this game was the
point in which I got stuck

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between two trampolines and just
had to watch until the time ran

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out and I died, not being able
to do anything.

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And it, it took a while and that
was the point where I'm like,

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you know what, this, this is
enough for me.

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So I think I've, I've seen at
least all the patterns over

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multiple attempts, but it was
like, I, I don't need to go

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further.
This is frustrating.

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Is that why you asked on the
discord what constant is beating

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it?
Because like, I've seen every

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shape.
So did I technically do it?

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No, I was asking that actually
for a different game that we may

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get.
We may have to get into that

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distinction later.
Gotcha.

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Well, OK, so we're we're kind of
already getting into the

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negatives, but Andrew, what did
you like about this game when

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you encountered enamel crossing?
Like you said, the movement was

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really unique, which I I agree.
Like for better or for worse,

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I've never really played a game
quite like Clue Clue Land where

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the main character is constantly
moving and you are just more

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steering her than controlling
her.

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Yeah, it because a lot of those,
maybe not a lot, but, but those,

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those kinds of NES games,
there's like the side scroller,

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which is like you just go left
to right and beat a thing.

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And then there's then there's
like this where it's like you

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have a screen and there's
something that you have to

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accomplish and it's just all in
one screen.

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And even for the ones that are
all in one screen, it's usually

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just like, OK, jump to the top
or get to an exit.

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And this one is like you have to
move around.

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I mean, this is like Pac-Man on
steroids.

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This is like you are moving
around this entire stage.

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You don't know where the, the,
the gold bars are, but then once

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you start to figure out where
the gold bars are, even then

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you're like, OK, I need to turn.
And then you hit a trampoline

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and it's like it, it has its own
challenge and it plays fast

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enough that I, I didn't find
myself getting bored of it that

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fast and not frustrated enough.
And luckily I didn't get stuck

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between two trampolines ever.
But if I did, maybe I would quit

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at that moment.
I, I did playing it on, on the

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switch with the rewind
capability was pretty good until

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the rewind is not exact.
And so sometimes you have to be

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00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,160
very precise in rewinding and
then turning, grabbing the the

448
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,360
right thing to turn and and then
you just still die anyway.

449
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:16,000
So I think there's one time
where I rewound like 10 times

450
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,880
'cause I just kept missing the
turn And I was like, how, how,

451
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,920
how can I do this even without,
even with a rewind ability, I

452
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,160
can't get the shape in the time
limit.

453
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,280
It's crazy, but it's that's fun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it, it is very

454
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,560
fun.
And I, I also, so I cheat to try

455
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,520
and beat as many of these games
as possible, right.

456
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,400
So you say like, oh, I had to
rewind like 10 times.

457
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,320
Like that's nothing.
I've rewound like 1516 times in

458
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,760
a row to get through like Ninja
Gaiden.

459
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,720
But rewinding on this feels like
you're going insane because.

460
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,960
Yes, yes, But it's not true
rewind.

461
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,320
It's like, it's like every
second and a half or something.

462
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,280
I've gotten used to it.
But Mike, we'll have to do a

463
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,880
filler episode between seasons
and talk about Nintendo World

464
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,520
Championships because I bought
it and it is essentially

465
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,000
rewinding the game.
It's 8 seconds of a retro

466
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,240
challenge, but every time you
fail, it rewinds you

467
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,440
automatically.
And like that in itself I think

468
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,160
is really fun.
But I think it especially made

469
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,480
this game more fun because Mike,
my heart went out to you.

470
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,240
I was just like not rewinding
this game.

471
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,800
Must be.
Brutal.

472
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,960
It's I'm definitely like, I'm
disappointed this was not

473
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,960
originally an arcade game
because you die as fast as you

474
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,800
would expect in that.
But in an arcade game, when a

475
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,600
port of an arcade game, when I
would be at game over, it would

476
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,160
let me just like that would just
let me go.

477
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,280
OK, No, it just let me continue,
please.

478
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,320
But the fact that every time
it's game over, it's all the way

479
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,920
back to the beginning was the
part where it's like, yeah, this

480
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,920
is fresh.
Which actually like does lead me

481
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,080
to the question because it's
sort of like setup of like 5

482
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,600
levels in a loop in a sense is
when you get back to like that

483
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,960
base, the base level of patterns
again, which would be like

484
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,320
levels the 6th level you're
playing.

485
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,280
Yeah.
Is that the same speed as the

486
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,120
first time or is it still speed
up?

487
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,440
It's still speed up.
And the more times that you

488
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,720
know, like Mike said, you go
through a certain number of

489
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,680
shapes and you go through loops
and every time you complete a

490
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,400
lap, if you will, the game gets
faster and the game adds more

491
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,760
enemies and they make the point
bonuses more stringent.

492
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,120
So it's just getting more
difficult and more difficult and

493
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,800
more difficult until eventually
it changes the rules on you at

494
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,320
the halfway point and says,
well, now you can only touch the

495
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,920
gold bar one time.
And that's just so much to

496
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,720
manage.
I do like bubble Soundwave

497
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,360
attack because like Andrew
called it like Pac-Man on

498
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,080
steroids.
And I always thought that a

499
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,560
Pac-Man style game with any kind
of offensive capability would be

500
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,080
kind of fun.
And so for those who haven't

501
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,640
played it, she'll shoot the
Soundwave.

502
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,960
And thankfully they're
unlimited.

503
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,680
I feel like lesser devs would
have put a cap on how many times

504
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,120
you can shoot it, but you can
just spam it.

505
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:58,720
And when it freezes one of your
enemies, which are these sea

506
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,360
urchins, you run into them and
you don't kill them.

507
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:02,840
Like you don't eat them like a
Pac-Man ghost.

508
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,280
You push them all the way to the
side of the level and slam them

509
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,560
against the wall.
And like I did that to a guy at

510
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,320
a party once.
Tommy, I miss you.

511
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,760
Lovely man, lovely man.
But I'm just saying, I have

512
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,360
jokingly slammed one of my
friends into the wall before and

513
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,200
it's very satisfying in real
life, so it's also funny.

514
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,200
That's cute.
That's not weird.

515
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,600
OK, one interesting bit here
that I've just noticed because

516
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,280
you you, you talk about the
complaint that it changes up the

517
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,840
rules on you.
Yes.

518
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:35,200
And so that at that point you
can only go over it once of the

519
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,960
over the gold bars.
Yeah.

520
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,800
The description of the game says
that they add the increasingly

521
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,720
complex condition that you have
to pass over the gold bars twice

522
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,880
to uncover them.
Yes, I think that's the first

523
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,280
way the rules change.
OK, so it does that and then it

524
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,320
does it so that if you pass
over, you have to pass over it.

525
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,680
If you pass over it twice it
goes away.

526
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,760
I.
Think so.

527
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,440
OK.
They make it the condition

528
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,280
first.
It's like, OK, just pass over

529
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,680
it.
Then the condition is you must

530
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,400
go twice.
Then if you go twice, you're

531
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,400
punished.
Yes.

532
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,840
OK.
Yeah, this is, you know, look,

533
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,760
this game, maybe it was made to
torture people.

534
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,600
I don't know.
I don't know if you guys have

535
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,000
played any Splatoon, but I feel
like Splatoon kind of

536
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,680
aesthetically took some notes on
this from the sea urchins and

537
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,600
from bubbles.
Like I think they're kind of

538
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,120
cute, like animations, at least
between levels.

539
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,840
But I'm kind of grasping for
straws because I didn't really

540
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,080
like this game and I'm getting
the sense that Mike really

541
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,800
didn't like it either.
Andrew is what frustrates you

542
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,160
about it?
What's your joy con?

543
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,760
Every time I would start from
the top, going from level 1 to

544
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,960
level 2, I felt like the speed
increase like double.

545
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,960
Like I know that the speed is
increasing as you go along, but

546
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,360
just from the first to the
second level, I was like, oh, I

547
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,440
cannot control bubbles at all.
Like I'm just, I've completely

548
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,680
lost control of this thing.
And you know, I adjusted, but it

549
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,040
was definitely like the first
level starts you off kind of

550
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,320
like, OK, I'm getting used to
the speed and it just speeds up

551
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,120
so fast, so quick that that
makes it so difficult.

552
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,000
But yeah, other, I mean, that's
just difficulty.

553
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,600
I I, I, I can't complain about
much else.

554
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,760
I guess maybe if, if it had,
since it's not an arcade game, I

555
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,880
mean, they could have
incorporated some kind of like

556
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,200
better level system to make it
clear where you are.

557
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,680
But I, I guess it's, you know,
the color changes kind of

558
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,120
communicate that.
And then since we're playing it

559
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,040
on the switch, you can just do a
save state, you know, and come

560
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,920
back to it.
So these are, you know, modern

561
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,480
problems on a classic game, but
I, I don't have much to complain

562
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,680
about.
I, I think that's, that's partly

563
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,800
why I was, was kind of like, I
was like threw it out as a

564
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,040
possibility to cover with you
guys because I thought, well,

565
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,920
surely no one wants to talk
about clue clue land, but I, I

566
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,600
will.
I always treasure these episodes

567
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,520
because it's like, we all know
Ocarina of Time is great, right?

568
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,600
But now I have an opinion on
Clue Clue land.

569
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,400
You know what I mean.
Mike and I tried two player mode

570
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,600
right before we started
recording and I was really

571
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,280
wishing it felt significantly
more fun.

572
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,360
But one of the mechanics is that
you know Mike talked about you

573
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,800
get stuck between these two
trampolines and you just have to

574
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,200
wait until you die.
The only way to get free from 2

575
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,280
perfectly adjacent trampolines
is for a second player to knock

576
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,480
you loose.
But Mike and I were trying to do

577
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,720
that, and it wasn't working the
way you think it would.

578
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,640
Like, if we were in, if we ran
into each other perpendicularly,

579
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,040
we wouldn't collide and knock
each other away like you think.

580
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,120
We reached out for each other's
hands and we did not grasp them

581
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,480
like I was hoping we would.
It was just like, Mike, how did

582
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,200
we did you figure out how you
got out?

583
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,280
You got out.
But then I got stuck.

584
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,920
So it was like.
Yeah, I'm not fully sure how it

585
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,640
handled that collision.
Like it was coming in from the

586
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,080
side, like passing through the
trampoline almost, I think.

587
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,880
Right.
So yeah, not sure how that was

588
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,400
supposed to work.
And I'm not sure if there's a

589
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,680
way that you can do that where
it's like, and now both people

590
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,320
are free and not just that you
change who's like it was, it was

591
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,200
like a prisoner exchange it.
Kind of was, yeah, it was.

592
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,480
It was dark.
But like, you know, as much as

593
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,160
it would suck the entire
identity out of the game, I

594
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,920
think there are moments when you
as a player wishes it controlled

595
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,920
like Pac-Man.
And I could just turn without

596
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:39,120
the signposts because it it's
really hectic to be spinning in

597
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,120
circles, trying to get the
timing right to shoot out the

598
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,280
right direction.
I just, I feel like it was

599
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,120
stressful, but not fun
stressful.

600
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,240
I feel like it just felt
stressful.

601
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,880
So I I don't think I'm a clue.
Clue defender Andrew, I'm sorry.

602
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,560
Yeah, I know, I'm in the
minority.

603
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,160
You know what though?
Leave a comment if you also are

604
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,080
down for Bubs and Klu Klu and
all that stuff.

605
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160
Was there anything else you
wanted to say in defense or

606
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,320
criticism of the game before you
move on to our last two titles?

607
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,880
Oh, you know, another a mechanic
of this game that I I think is

608
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,400
really cool is once you've
revealed the gold bar, the

609
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,960
urchins cannot cross it.
So it makes it yeah, that once

610
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,440
you reveal so they will stay on
the side, they cannot cross a

611
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,640
gold bar.
So it it's kind of you didn't

612
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,000
realize that.
No.

613
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Yeah, this game is like kind of
more complicated than it needs

614
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,960
to be.
And as you play it like you, you

615
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,720
feels like you're discovering
things.

616
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,800
Like I didn't know, like I
didn't read the descriptions.

617
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,000
I didn't know those were
considered black holes, but I

618
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,960
also didn't know Bubbles was a a
girl.

619
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,720
Fish.
So it's like, hey, you know,

620
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,480
like a black hole in the sea.
I don't know, maybe there should

621
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,280
just be a Whirlpool.
But I but yeah, these little

622
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,440
like gameplay mechanics were
like the urchins won't cross the

623
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,800
gold bars.
I didn't know they were gold

624
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,800
bars 'cause they look like
diamonds to me.

625
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,080
Truly.
Like this is this game raises

626
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,640
more questions than it answers,
but it's definitely I to me that

627
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,400
makes it like so much more
interesting than than a lot of

628
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,080
these types of games.
Like, I feel like I've played

629
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,800
Pac-Man because it's at arcades.
Yeah, I'm, I'm not running to

630
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,040
play Pac-Man.
But if I saw Klu Klu landed in

631
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,040
arcade, I'd be like, let me get
on this.

632
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,040
Let me see what's going on here.
Like, what's up, Bubbles?

633
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,320
It's been a minute.
Yeah.

634
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,040
The control, definitely.
I think actually the way this

635
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,520
controls gives it more novelty
than I think it otherwise would

636
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,920
have.
Could just 'cause I think the

637
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,520
way it speeds up and that the
trampolines exist would have

638
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,360
been frustrating in a familiar
way.

639
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,240
Whereas this idea that like your
turns are grab on to a post and

640
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,640
just keep going around until
you're ready to release in the

641
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,840
direction.
Definitely add something.

642
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,600
And like it is interesting when
you get to the point where you

643
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,120
start to realize that you have
to go over those black holes

644
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,440
because you have to get the gold
bars that are directly next to

645
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,040
it.
And the only way to do that is

646
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,480
to actually crossover it.
And if you go straight across,

647
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,160
you die.
So you have to swing over it

648
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,840
basically.
You have to just grab on and

649
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,760
circle for two times.
But there is something to be

650
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,920
said for that though, like even
just talking about Mike, it's

651
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,880
kind of feels like gymnastics
and it's dangerous and you're

652
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,120
kind of out of control in like
an acrobatic kind of sense.

653
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,200
So like, I really see what they
were kind of going for.

654
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,160
I just, I don't know if they
stuck the landing, to use

655
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,000
another acrobatic phrase.
But you're right though, and,

656
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,000
and I'm tempted to go back and
give it one last try, knowing

657
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,920
now that the sea urchins won't
crossover the collected gold

658
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,960
bars, because now thinking of
those as like a container for

659
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,680
the enemies totally frees up my
mind to focus more on the turn

660
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,640
posts.
If I go, OK, that guy's wedged

661
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,520
in the corner by all the cold
bars I collected.

662
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,560
He can't make a straight line
attack at me.

663
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,719
Thank you.
You know, Andrew, good thing

664
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,760
you're here buddy.
Like no one else is going to

665
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,800
help us through Clue.
Clue land, Yeah.

666
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,639
I can also definitely see a
situation where is like, if this

667
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,520
was a game that I was just kind
of playing off and on for weeks,

668
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,320
I would also probably get along.
One of the other problems that

669
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,840
was just frustrating is as
things get frantic, the brain

670
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,320
goes to like, oh, if I want to
go left, I need to hit left kind

671
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,080
of stuff.
And you hit a certain point

672
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,199
where it's like, no, I have to
think about how I have to grab

673
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,639
Onga stuff.
And so there's a whole lot of

674
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,520
plowing straight into black
holes because I was not hitting

675
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,639
directions the right way.
Yeah.

676
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,199
They should release a a version
of this that's first person.

677
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,080
Oh, that'd be really dizzying
and vomit inducing.

678
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,560
But I was thinking though, like
the one last thing I'll say kind

679
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,520
of in defense of the game, is
that in some ways Klu Klu Land

680
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,880
feels ahead of its time because
auto runners and these like auto

681
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,640
moving platforming games are
very big on mobile where it's

682
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,840
like you don't control when you
stop or start, you control, you

683
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,000
steer your character, you don't
control your character.

684
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,040
So I almost wonder if this would
work well as like a touch screen

685
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,440
game.
I'd like it to just be let me

686
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,840
use the the L&R triggers to
control the left and right arms.

687
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,280
Interesting.
Right, because that would be

688
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,800
better.
Because it's not like based on

689
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,720
direction, because.
Yeah, yeah, look at you, Mike.

690
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,240
Well, no, I was going to say you
could remap the controls, but

691
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,520
that's only Nintendo 64 games.
Nintendo classics.

692
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,200
Come on, We're we're trying our
best here.

693
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,120
Are you?
Are you?

694
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,520
Meet us halfway.
Meet us halfway.

695
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,120
I mean, hey, I, I can rewind on
my Nintendo 64 games now.

696
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,480
That's a game changer.
It's a big quality of life

697
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,040
improvement for your boy.
OK, With that said, why don't we

698
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,800
move on to our last two titles?
We're going to kind of cover

699
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,480
them at the same time because
they're very similar.

700
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,640
And that is Mario's Pit Cross
and Mario's Super Pit Cross on

701
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,520
the Gameboy and Super Nintendo,
released in 1995.

702
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,240
Using ChatGPT, I've combined the
descriptions from Nintendo

703
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:13,240
classics, so the game wants you
to use logic to chisel away

704
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,240
squares and reveal hidden
pictures.

705
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,160
Decipher numeric clues along
rows and columns to uncover 250

706
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,800
brain bending puzzles across
varying levels of difficulty.

707
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,800
Work quickly and carefully.
Each mistake costs precious time

708
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,360
in Mario Super Picross.
Take on even tougher challenges

709
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,000
in Wario's puzzle mode or team
up with a friend using a second

710
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,520
controller. 2 chisels are better
than one.

711
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,640
So taking a look at the box art
boys often people's first

712
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,800
impressions.
Andrew, you said you love pit

713
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,920
cross, so did you play pit cross
or is this another discovery to

714
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,920
Animal Crossing?
No, this is I.

715
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,960
I believe my first pit cross was
the one on the DS.

716
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,040
Yes.
And then I went through yeah,

717
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:04,200
pit cross DS and I think I had
the the three D1 and did did

718
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,120
they put out another one?
I, I don't they, I, I was

719
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,960
playing a bunch of pick Ross on
on DS and then when I discovered

720
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,880
Mario's pick Ross like it was
like the original, like I, I

721
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,880
just had to play it.
So I actually had this on Game

722
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,560
Boy.
I got the cartridge and, and

723
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,760
played it on the original Game
Boy.

724
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:23,920
That's.
Sick.

725
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,200
Yeah, that was fun.
Did.

726
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,080
You have the OG box.
No, this was, I got it used

727
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,360
somewhere, but yeah, it's a good
box.

728
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Yeah, it's, I mean, I don't
know, Mike, what do you think?

729
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,400
I don't think the especially the
Game Boy box of just kind of

730
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,800
Mario's face in a few squares
scattered around that don't

731
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,000
really go into any part of the
image does not really scream

732
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:54,880
what this game is to me, right.
I think the Mario's Super pick

733
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,080
cross, is that where that's
supposed to be?

734
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,200
I want to call it Super Mario's
Pick Cross, but that's.

735
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,240
Not everybody does.
It's not right, No.

736
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,880
This is the whole Sonic the
Hedgehog spinball situation.

737
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,880
Yeah, I think I like that one
more because by putting the

738
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,400
numbers down at the bottom in
the way that fills in squares to

739
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,320
form the shape.
If I was just shown these

740
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,000
without titles or anything, I
would know what the Japanese one

741
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,160
was supposed to be, and I would
not for the S and ES1.

742
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,480
But I would not click what the
Gameboy 1 is supposed to be

743
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,120
because it it just makes Mario
seem like this ominous

744
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,240
overlooking thing.
Yeah, yeah.

745
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,440
And I don't know if it's just
me, but like, when I look at a

746
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,280
picture, do you guys look at a
picture top to bottom?

747
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,320
You do, right?
Like your eyes start at the top

748
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,320
and work your way down like it
was a comic.

749
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,360
I think I'd go middle, Middle
you, yeah.

750
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,840
All right, Mike, settle this
once and for all.

751
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,640
I don't know.
Twirling.

752
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:55,320
Always twirling.
OK, well, because so Mike

753
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,120
mentioned, both of the game
boxes are meant to show you that

754
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,640
Mario's face is sort of obscured
in some manner, and then pixels

755
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,880
will lead you to see him, right?
But because the Super Nintendo

756
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,880
1, like, Mario's at the top of
the image and the numbers are at

757
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,840
the bottom.
And I know you're supposed to be

758
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,800
like forming him, but I almost
feel like it's like Thanos

759
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,520
snapped and Mario's like
dissolving.

760
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,440
That's just where my brain goes,
because to me it's Mario's

761
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,600
disappearing, which is really
unnerving to me.

762
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:28,120
Well, I, I think my problem with
the Mario Super pic Ross is that

763
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,480
it isn't really, it doesn't
really indicate what the game

764
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,520
actually looks like except for
the numbers.

765
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,640
And then I think numbers look,
if someone, if I see a math

766
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,080
problem on a game box, I'm going
to say that's a game for nerds

767
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,360
and I'm not going to play it.
Sorry.

768
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,920
But if you if you put on your
game box logic unlocks,

769
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,880
challenging picture picture
puzzles, I'm going to go, well,

770
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,400
tell me more.
What what is that all about?

771
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:00,160
And Mario looks like a like a,
a, an evil God being staring at

772
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,200
me from beyond the abyss.
Yeah.

773
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,360
What's going on there?
Yeah, I think as as a nerd that

774
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,480
plays games for nerds, the
numbers to me also is just

775
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,280
that's a whole genre of games
that I play a ton of.

776
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,720
So to me, it's an immediate I
know exactly what this is, and I

777
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,120
can definitely see where if
someone's not familiar with

778
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,440
these kinds of puzzles, I can
see someone not getting what

779
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,840
that is.
Yeah, but that's red meat to

780
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,320
you, though.
You're like, talk to me in

781
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,120
numbers.
I'm, I'm definitely more in

782
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,480
Andrews.
But you know, especially as a

783
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,960
kid, like, you know, math wasn't
my subject.

784
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,200
I'm decent at it, you know, But
it was just like, it's not what

785
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,280
I'm here for in terms of video
games, at least when I was

786
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,000
younger.
Yeah, and and these much like

787
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,360
Sudoku are one of those things
where you kind of have to

788
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,120
explain to you like, no, you
don't actually have to do math

789
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,600
it like it's it's a logic thing.
The numbers are part of this,

790
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,360
but it's not like derivatives or
something.

791
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,480
It's basically just addition or
subtraction, like as far as

792
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:59,960
filling in boxes.
Pretty much, yeah.

793
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,040
It's like, can you count?
That's the amount of math

794
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,160
needed.
What's funny is I got into Pic

795
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,880
Ross and I was already into
Sudoku a little bit.

796
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,320
And then I did start playing
some of those other more obscure

797
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,640
ones like I think it's called
like Kakuro Kakuro, something

798
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,880
like that.
It's that one is a math game for

799
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,200
sure.
It's like Sudoku but with

800
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,600
picross elements.
So it's it's like you're adding

801
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,600
up the numbers to equal a number
in the column or row.

802
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,760
And so there's little like
through playing that, it's like

803
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,360
you learn the little tricks of
like, OK, like what are these

804
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,760
three numbers always equal?
And so you're always like going

805
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,520
through and and trying to get
the numbers in the right places.

806
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,600
Pick Ross is like simpler than
that.

807
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,960
So that's and it gives you a
little picture.

808
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,560
So I always found that one more
fun anyway.

809
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Yeah, 100.
Percent.

810
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,080
I will say I was surprised to
discover it cuz the manual

811
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,000
explained how to pronounce this
cuz I did not realize that this

812
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,200
is specifically a trade name.
Yeah, yeah.

813
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,720
And not a general term for this
kind of puzzle.

814
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,000
The general term is Nagavanavan.
Nanogram.

815
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,400
Nanogram.
Thank you.

816
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,320
That's what I said.
I didn't get every single

817
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,520
syllable, but I said it.
OK.

818
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,920
But partially because I've just
come across these as there's

819
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,360
other games that I think are
trying to get that are getting

820
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,480
away with using that.
And I'm going to say it during

821
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,920
this this way.
I'm sure up until this I had

822
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,520
always pronounced those as
Pycross.

823
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,400
Interesting Π like the
mathematical term Pi like.

824
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,160
Yeah.
Or actually this is probably

825
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,800
the.
I can probably blame the fact

826
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,680
that Python, the programming
language, people have written a

827
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,120
lot of things that use it.
And it'll be start off with π

828
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,560
something.
So it'll be π something.

829
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,160
I always just assumed it's
because it's like it's vaguely

830
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,480
like cross stitch, but it's also
like you're looking where

831
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,120
numbers crossover to like form
it and then pick like picture.

832
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:04,240
Yeah, yeah, no, when I saw that,
how it's like, Oh yeah, I guess

833
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,640
that makes sense of how you're
supposed to say it.

834
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,440
It's just not how I did as one
of those words where it's like I

835
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,240
only ever saw this written so.
I was like risk Star, like

836
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,040
Rystar.
We I discovered that.

837
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,680
Is it Rystar?
It's Risk Star.

838
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,920
Oh, it's Risk Star.
OK.

839
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,600
I always said it Risk Star, so I
was.

840
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,640
I think most people say Rystar,
but it's Risk Star.

841
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,040
Yeah, I found the like the OG
like developer interviews and I

842
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,560
was like, hear that they're
saying Risk Star.

843
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,760
But people come up with things,
always know how to say those

844
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,360
things correctly.
That's true.

845
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,120
I point to George Lucas.
Does he say wrong?

846
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,120
I think he says Han instead of
Han, which is what it is like in

847
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,320
the movies.
Except Lando calls him Han.

848
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,600
He's the only one.
OK, back on topic, Mike.

849
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,560
Come on.
Pick Cross here.

850
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,360
We.
Go, he says.

851
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,840
Gungan's funny, he says.
Like Gungan, he says it

852
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,640
different.
Yeah, he says.

853
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,120
It's funny because he says
Gungan's were a good idea.

854
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,880
Hey, listen, listen.
Kind of like Gungans kind of

855
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,640
like them.
They're cool aesthetic.

856
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,600
They're kind of fun.
Like like, OK, someone's a

857
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,400
prequel defender.
Just saying, Mike, those movies

858
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,800
have a lot of problems, but
Gungans are not the top of the

859
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,440
list.
A specific Gungan might be, but

860
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,680
as a race I think you got to
cool it a little bit.

861
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,400
It's going to clip the as a
race.

862
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,480
I think you got to cool it a
little bit and take that out of

863
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,200
context.
Great.

864
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,760
Yeah.
Anyway, I got some trivia before

865
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,160
I'm cancelled off the air here.
This game was developed and

866
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,960
published by Jupiter
Corporation.

867
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,480
They're a studio we have never
encountered before on this show,

868
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,400
but I'm confident we will see
them one day.

869
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,280
Mike.
They are responsible for two

870
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,000
Strauss family favorites, which
was Pokémon Pinball on the

871
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,320
Gameboy Color and The World Ends
With You on the DS.

872
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,640
Jonathan loves the Pokémon
pinball ball game, and then

873
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,160
Justin loved World Ends With
You, and I never really played

874
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,880
either one of them.
So it's just interesting that

875
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,040
this studio speaks to every
Strauss except for me.

876
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,680
So although wildly popular in
Japan number puzzles, I've

877
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,000
traditionally struggled to sell
units in America, especially in

878
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,680
the video game space.
So in an attempt to, let's say,

879
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,520
compensate for the Western
resistance to the concept,

880
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,320
Nintendo had an aggressive
marketing campaign for the

881
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,000
Gameboy release.
It had unsettling ads depicting

882
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,360
a young teen whose brain grows
so large playing this game that

883
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,480
a supermodel comes up from
behind, fondles his lobe and

884
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,680
giggles.
Oh, it's gotten so big.

885
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,760
Listen.
Listen, Andrew, this is this is

886
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,840
crazy.
But I'm not being a creep.

887
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,840
I'm being a video game
historian.

888
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,000
Nintendo was being creepy, Mike.
I mean, right, Mike, we're going

889
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,640
to cut this out too.
I don't know what we're going to

890
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,960
do.
Yeah, I think it was the

891
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,640
marketing companies who were
like backed into a corner, they

892
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:01,440
said.
They said this is the only thing

893
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,840
we can do.
You got to trust us.

894
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,800
Nintendo should not have trusted
them.

895
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:12,000
But I also, I, I remember video
game magazines and there were

896
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,680
some crazy ads in those things.
So this, yeah, this doesn't

897
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,240
really surprise me, to be
honest.

898
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:22,360
Some of them were like
borderline pornographic and then

899
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,440
like, and I and I think like
they were like, well, this is

900
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,320
being advertised primarily to
like teen boys.

901
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,400
So what are we going to do to
get their attention?

902
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,280
I don't know.
It's just, it's just wild that,

903
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,920
you know, 90s Nintendo marketing
versus today's Nintendo

904
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,200
marketing.
It's night and day.

905
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,800
So in an unexpected discovery,
while playing through the Super

906
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,280
Nintendo sequel for this
episode, I discovered that Super

907
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,080
Pic Cross is actually rated
Teen.

908
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,120
Not, you know, all ages.
It's rated for teen.

909
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,760
Do you guys have any idea why
that might be?

910
00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:02,120
Is it alcohol or smoking?
Those are my that's my go to.

911
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,440
And I think guns was.
All smart gun.

912
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:09,080
Yes.
Oh yeah, yeah, the mafia, I

913
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,800
think.
I think it's I think it's I

914
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,760
can't read Kanji, but I think
it's gangster is what it says.

915
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:16,720
And it's like a guy with a Tommy
gun.

916
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:18,160
And then there's like little
animation.

917
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,280
So pick cross similar to Klu Klu
Land and that you're trying to

918
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,280
reveal a hidden image.
But it's mafia.

919
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,760
Oh, is it?
OK, there you go.

920
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,760
So anyway, you are revealed, you
know after solving a puzzle,

921
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,880
what the image is supposed to be
looking like.

922
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,640
And in the Super Nintendo
version, it comes with little

923
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,400
animations of people smoking and
shooting and probably drinking

924
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,280
alcohol somewhere in there.
And they like, they color in the

925
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,440
outline.
Yeah.

926
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,640
I always thought that was so fun
that it was like, here's what

927
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,360
it's supposed to be.
Yeah, one point I should

928
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,120
mention, because I don't think
we've actually explicitly

929
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,920
brought this up, is, yeah, well,
the Game Boy game is in English.

930
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:01,120
The SES one super pic, Ross, I
told you I was gonna do it.

931
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,400
You could do it Mario Super
Picross.

932
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,640
That one is in mostly Japanese.
Almost entirely.

933
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,120
Which makes the fact that phones
now can just like, translate

934
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,880
junk on the fly super helpful.
Or were you pointing your phone

935
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,320
at the screen?
Yeah, that's clever.

936
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,320
Yeah, so like when you brought
up the one that is Mafia, like

937
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,320
that was one of several.
There's somewhere like, OK, I

938
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,600
don't care what that is or it's
clearly something, but there was

939
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,080
a lot where like I don't know
what that is or I want to know

940
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,800
what they've actually said that
is.

941
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,920
And I would use my phone and get
it to translate it.

942
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,920
And occasionally it would
translate it into like, I forget

943
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,640
the name for when Japanese is
written using like the Latin

944
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,360
alphabet.
But sometimes we would do that

945
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,720
and it wouldn't translate to an
A recognizable word.

946
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:51,480
It would translate to a Japanese
word.

947
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,320
But now it's the thing that I
can type into Google Translate

948
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,160
and go like, OK, well what's
that word actually mean in

949
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,320
English now that I at least have
it transcribed somehow?

950
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Yeah, I like that you're like
translating the game and pulling

951
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,440
up other screens and like you're
your own man in the chair while

952
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,720
playing this Japanese Pink Cross
game.

953
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,200
Are you guys aware of the fact
that when this was re released

954
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:18,960
for the 3DS eShop and the Switch
Nintendo classics they had to

955
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,200
reprogram some of the puzzles
and completely change the image

956
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,280
but not for like an adult rating
issue?

957
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,080
Wait for for wait for which?
Super Nintendo.

958
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,280
No.
So they had to replace several

959
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,560
puzzles on Puzzle 5L, which is 1
of Wario's puzzles.

960
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,560
In the Super Nintendo version.
It was originally amongst the

961
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,120
Scream and they changed it to a
chameleon.

962
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,400
Tetris was one of the solutions
which I thought was really fun,

963
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,080
and that had to be changed to
Hermit Crab because Nintendo

964
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,360
like actually doesn't own the
rights to Tetris.

965
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,160
There is no way anyone owns the
rights to squares though.

966
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,240
Like they didn't, they didn't
have to call it Tetris.

967
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:58,920
They could just change the word
yeah.

968
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,160
Falling square.
And then Marilyn Monroe had a

969
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:07,000
cameo in this game, her iconic
lips and beauty mark and

970
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,160
eyelashes and eyebrows, but she
changed to a giant torque.

971
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,440
Why now?
Why Marilyn Monroe?

972
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,160
No one owns Marilyn Monroe.
Right.

973
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,360
I Right.
But maybe she was considered,

974
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,360
maybe her name was copyright at
that point.

975
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,560
You know what I mean?
Model isn't.

976
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:25,280
Right, Yeah, it is interesting.
Right.

977
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,560
They, it seems like they went
through a lot of work and just

978
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,520
changing the name would have
been fine.

979
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:31,760
As we learn, it's Street
Fighter.

980
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,440
For Marilyn Monroe it to become
a giant tortoise, that feels

981
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,320
like such a big change too.
They couldn't have just done

982
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,680
another face.
It's it's weird that they all

983
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,480
got replaced by like generic
animals.

984
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,800
But yeah, I just thought that
was interesting.

985
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,640
So much like Clue Clue Land, Pic
Cross lives on in cameo form.

986
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,400
Mario's Explorer outfit from Pic
Cross is an unlockable outfit in

987
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,360
Super Mario Odyssey.
And one last fun piece of this

988
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,360
game's legacy is the official
guidebook that was released for

989
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,960
Japan for the SNES version.
It features a pen and paper pic

990
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,240
Cross puzzles, as well as an
introductory comic.

991
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,720
That is the only time Peach has
ever been depicted wearing the

992
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,880
Mario Brothers coveralls, which
I thought was kind of cool.

993
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,720
It's like, you know, I don't
know.

994
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,680
I, I, I, I like seeing her that
way.

995
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,280
I'd never saw her in that outfit
before.

996
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,640
Am I alone?
That's kind of cool.

997
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,400
You're ignoring the 1993 Super
Mario Brothers live action film.

998
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:31,160
Did she wear the coverage?
At the end she is that.

999
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,040
Daisy, technically.
Yeah, that's Daisy.

1000
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,200
I'm, I'm being a crank.
You know, I, I just, I love

1001
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,520
bringing up the original Super
Mario Brothers film.

1002
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,240
That's a good one.
And.

1003
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,480
And you're you're of our mindset
right where it's secretly better

1004
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:48,680
than the brand new one.
Yeah, I, I think the, the we did

1005
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:54,360
a nothing new episode comparing
the two and it is shocking to me

1006
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:58,600
how similar the new one is.
Like they are taking story beats

1007
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,520
and elements from the original.
And I there's no reason for this

1008
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,080
except that someone who was
working on this loved the

1009
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,040
original and wanted to make sure
the legacy lived on and it and

1010
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,280
it does.
I will say I in design element

1011
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:20,600
parts for this artwork for
having a Mario Mario's pick

1012
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,560
cross thing going.
I find it odd cuz that's it uses

1013
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,800
this whole like chiseling thing
which I get back to.

1014
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:35,640
But for this artwork, it's Mario
and Luigi going down like a

1015
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,160
hallway that's like pipes and
everything that does not feel

1016
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,280
like a because the chiseling
environment almost kind of sets

1017
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,680
it up in a way that feels very
like archaeological.

1018
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,480
And so that makes the like
boiler room background feel

1019
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,800
weird.
But then also there is that the

1020
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,680
two other things that feel of
note in this specific artwork

1021
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:04,040
would be that it it says what
looks to be Mario Jones on it.

1022
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,240
Isn't that brothers?
It is it.

1023
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:12,880
It just feels very, it feels
almost Indiana Jones ish.

1024
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:19,840
OK maybe.
And then Mario has like red

1025
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,280
sideburns here.
We've been over this, Mike.

1026
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,800
Mario has brown hair.
You just never remember that he

1027
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,520
does.
I am saying that's red.

1028
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,280
It is distracting.
We've been over the brown hair,

1029
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,720
black mustache thing where that
those are different colors, but

1030
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:38,040
this is a different color now.
So really what I'm concluding

1031
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,440
here is that Mario dyes his
hair.

1032
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,280
He.
Must.

1033
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,760
Yeah, I'm sure he does.
But not the mustache.

1034
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,040
That's a pain to like you don't
have really a mustache like it's

1035
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,200
a pain to dye it like it's you
don't get all toxic fumes and

1036
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,480
everything.
Yeah, but I think, I think the

1037
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,640
rest of the hair being dyed is
also a pain, so I don't do that

1038
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,600
either.
So at least I'm consistent like

1039
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,800
Luigi.
There you go.

1040
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,280
There you go.
What what this image is

1041
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,000
portraying is that they found a
temple of plumbers, an ancient

1042
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000
plumbing temple, and that's
they're going to uncover the

1043
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,080
secrets in it.
Well, we're going to put the

1044
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,280
link in the show notes, but.
You can go from the depths.

1045
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,080
There you go.
There you go.

1046
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,560
You can.
You can read this in the

1047
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,400
Internet Archive and I don't
speak Japanese or read Japanese,

1048
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,960
but I could tell from the
context of the images that it

1049
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,960
begins in this boiler room
situation and Wario has

1050
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,800
kidnapped Peach but hidden like
the passage to where he's taken

1051
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,960
her in the walls of the boiler
room.

1052
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:36,840
So the first part they they
chills all the way through to

1053
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,760
find Peach and then the second
time like they are in an

1054
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,680
archaeological dig digging
things out of like ancient

1055
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,120
ruined walls.
So lore wise you know if there

1056
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,600
is actually an explanation for
the whole kind of boiler room

1057
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,160
setting.
Yeah, and I will say the top

1058
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,320
line translates to Mario Jones
Adventure.

1059
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,160
OK, so it is kind of an Indiana
Jones joke.

1060
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,200
I I take it you know what MM
brought the receipts.

1061
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,240
He always does.
So before we get to the joy pros

1062
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,720
and joy cons of Pit Cross and
Super Pit Cross, what is our

1063
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,040
history with these games and how
far did we each get?

1064
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,640
Andrew, can we start with you?
So you said you played it on the

1065
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,360
DS.
How far did you get trying out

1066
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,680
the original two games here?
Well, the original Mario's pit

1067
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,360
cross.
I played on the original Game

1068
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,760
Boy and on the original Game Boy
I beat it.

1069
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:27,840
Every.
Puzzle.

1070
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,120
Every puzzle.
You nintended how many computer?

1071
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:39,040
And I did replay, you know,
quite a few, but not, not nearly

1072
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,320
enough.
I did not complete it a second

1073
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,200
time on the Switch.
But yeah, I, I love it.

1074
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,480
I don't know.
It's a it's a good little game.

1075
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,960
Yeah.
For the Super Mario Super Pic

1076
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,520
cross, I did not complete all
the puzzles, but I did.

1077
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,440
I jumped around quite a bit.
And this was my first time even

1078
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,160
knowing that this existed.
I I didn't even know there was

1079
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:09,360
an untranslated version for
Super Nintendo for that I could

1080
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,360
play on the Switch.
So that was, that was kind of a

1081
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,240
fun discovery, yeah.
Yeah, it's more more of this

1082
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:18,880
kind of style of game You really
enjoy Mike, so I feel like you

1083
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,080
are very good at these puzzles.
How far did you get?

1084
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,120
Because yeah, this is this is a
style that like I've talked

1085
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,200
about these kinds of games on
multiple light Switch episodes.

1086
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,400
At least there's at least one
that I've done in one of my sort

1087
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,240
of short reviews on on the old
Switcheroos website.

1088
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,720
I own more than that.
So I didn't have any familiarity

1089
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:47,560
with these going into it.
I'd started off with the Gameboy

1090
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,840
Mario's Π Cross and that one was
I'll.

1091
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,320
I'll get into this specific pros
and cons and a bunch of this a

1092
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,400
bit later.
I started better with that one,

1093
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:04,120
switched over to Super Pic Ross
and then immediately went back

1094
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,560
because I was definitely
preferring the first one.

1095
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:08,960
Really.
OK.

1096
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:14,400
But so for the first one, it's
three groups of 64 levels that

1097
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,840
you actually get, like, here's
64 levels and you can kind of

1098
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,320
pick and choose.
And then the total pain of this

1099
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,920
is that the last one, there's 64
more once you unlock a time

1100
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,280
trial mode.
Yeah.

1101
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,360
And it doesn't tell you how many
you've done.

1102
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,520
It just kind of gives you a new
random 1.

1103
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:37,240
So I have a whole bunch of tally
marks making sure that I got

1104
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:42,440
through 64 of them.
So I did beat the Game Boys

1105
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,040
Mario Pic Ross.
OK, you nintended.

1106
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,360
I'm really confused.
And then I went back to the

1107
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:57,240
SNES1 and decided to mess around
with the settings because I was

1108
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,360
having problems reading it and
recognizing where symbols were

1109
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,080
on the screen.
And there's a mode on the SNES

1110
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,160
to get it to replicate CRT
display.

1111
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,160
Yes, I've never used it before.
I had never used it before.

1112
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,040
It made it substantially more
playable because the problem I

1113
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,720
was having was the background
pat.

1114
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,760
Like they try to do texturing on
the backgrounds and for me it

1115
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,720
was making it very difficult to
see where I'd X out things and

1116
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,320
to read the numbers.
Interesting.

1117
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,400
And I think it's because to do
the background, it's in a pixel

1118
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,920
level.
It's, you know, 3 or 4 different

1119
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,360
colors that are noticeably
different.

1120
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,680
But on ACRT screen, they kind of
blend together to give A and so

1121
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,760
it's not a flat background, but
it's it's smoothed that out.

1122
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,120
OK.
And so that got it to be

1123
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,360
playable and for that game,
because I think the first one's

1124
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:57,320
got 256 levels.
Super Mario Picros has 312, but

1125
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,560
it's split between Mario levels
and Wario levels.

1126
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,280
Correct.
So while I haven't solved every

1127
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,320
puzzle, I have rolled credits on
it by completing the Mario

1128
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,240
levels.
OK, so if he rolled credits,

1129
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,760
Andrew, I think Heen intended
beat it, don't you?

1130
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,880
Yeah.
Heen intended.

1131
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,720
I'm in the computer.
And I'm about level 5 complete.

1132
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,800
I think I'm 5 completed on
Warios.

1133
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,480
So actually the last one I did
to complete a section was the

1134
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,920
chameleon that's replaced the
screen.

1135
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,560
Oh, interesting, interesting.
So I'm heartbroken because I got

1136
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,080
really addicted to this game.
I'd only ever played the pit

1137
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,560
cross demo on a 3DS.
And even then it was like 2

1138
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:48,120
minutes of like numbers.
I was 20, you know, like I was

1139
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,440
just wasn't, wasn't in the place
to be receptive to it.

1140
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,320
And I was really ready to trash
this game on today's episode.

1141
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,960
And then something clicked and
all of a sudden I started seeing

1142
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,920
the patterns and the numbers and
the correlation.

1143
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,280
And when that happens, it's a
great moment cuz you're like,

1144
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,920
oh.
I almost kind of speak the

1145
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,880
language of this game now and so
I got really, really hooked and

1146
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,880
I used rewind quite a lot.
So I got to this screen Mike,

1147
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,000
that declare that I have solved
every puzzle in Pit Cross.

1148
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:25,280
I did not go through all 64 time
trial ones, but I think there's

1149
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,040
also an academic argument that
this screen signifies that I

1150
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,640
have beaten the game and time
trials is like extra.

1151
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:37,240
I I would say #1 this is exactly
why I asked and it was credits

1152
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,600
for every puzzle.
Thanks.

1153
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,120
And the 64 in time trial are are
all new.

1154
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,080
OK, so you clearly think I don't
get the sound effect.

1155
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,920
I think I do Andrew be the
tiebreaker here.

1156
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,200
I mean, it says,
congratulations, you have solved

1157
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:59,880
every puzzle in Pit Cross, even
though apparently there are 64

1158
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,800
more after this.
The game's telling you you did

1159
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,800
it.
I I think that's a, that's you

1160
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,640
did it.
The modes are easy pick cross,

1161
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,800
pick cross and time trial.
Time trial seems like a new Game

1162
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,160
Plus.
That's what I'm arguing, but I

1163
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,600
do also understand that Mike
asked what my considered and he

1164
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,040
followed by my rules.
So you know what Mike?

1165
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,640
I'm not going to play it for
myself.

1166
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,960
I'm going to be the bigger man
for once in my God damn life.

1167
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,080
That hurts though.
So then Super Mario super pic

1168
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,440
cross.
I was blatantly cheating.

1169
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,040
I have, I have footage of it.
I have the solutions on my

1170
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,120
laptop screen and the puzzle and
this thing and I'm literally

1171
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,760
just coloring in the dots
because I because I thought I

1172
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,120
had to beat all the Mario levels
to try the Wario challenge.

1173
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,760
And for those who've never tried
it before, Mario.

1174
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,280
So Mario's is the gameplay I
prefer, where you are chiseling

1175
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,600
in little boxes based on the
patterns of numbers on the top

1176
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:04,520
and the side of the screen, and
it's telling you essentially how

1177
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:10,200
many, the size of each chunk in
that row or column, how many

1178
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,520
chunks there are, and what order
they appear in.

1179
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,120
And you get penalized if you
make a mistake, you lose 2

1180
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,240
minutes for your first mistake
out of your total 30.

1181
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,080
Your second mistake you lose 4
minutes, and then every mistake

1182
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,560
after that you lose 8 minutes.
So you can game over pretty

1183
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,040
easily if you're not being
careful.

1184
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,840
But Wario's is the opposite.
There is no such thing as a

1185
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,360
mistake because you just can
never beat it until you solve

1186
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,240
the puzzle without any sort of
assistance being told if you got

1187
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,080
it right or wrong.
Well, and the Wario, the wario

1188
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,040
time is going up.
Wario time is going up, yes so.

1189
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,560
So Wario is essentially time
trial mode from the Gameboy

1190
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,120
version, but you only need to
beat 12 Mario puzzles before you

1191
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,440
unlock the first Mario stages.
And I just never noticed this

1192
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,520
freaking hand on the menu screen
pointing me to the left.

1193
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,840
I beat 120 Mario levels looking
for this freaking hand.

1194
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,080
Oh.
Right.

1195
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,840
I was going to say because the
other part is because so I was

1196
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:13,320
since this isn't Japanese and I
don't speak Japanese, I had my

1197
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,920
phone out for this and so I had
Google Translate up with the

1198
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,360
camera for things like the
screen that basically says

1199
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,080
roughly a you've unlocked the
Wario puzzles after the end of

1200
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,040
the first one.
Also super cool is that I have

1201
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:36,600
learned what M&W are in this
script because when you switch

1202
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:41,160
screens.
So this says Mario's super high

1203
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,080
cross I presume.
But definitely the first part is

1204
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:49,240
Mario is when you switch over it
just a character flies in from

1205
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,960
off screen and over it goes
right over the M to replace it

1206
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,000
with AW basically.
Yeah.

1207
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,840
Which is a super cool thing.
It's.

1208
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,720
A fun transition effect.
Yeah, and, and Wario is always

1209
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,560
like that from the from the
start, he was always just like

1210
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,960
you flip over the M to be Wario.
So Wario is always like pasting

1211
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,640
over Mario's name to make a name
for himself.

1212
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,440
I think that's fun.
Yeah.

1213
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,040
And I did not know that there
was a Wario mode in this at all.

1214
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,200
So when that happens, like oh
what the heck.

1215
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,560
Oh, this is interesting now.
Yeah, that's fun.

1216
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,800
So I wanted to play a quick mini
game minute.

1217
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,920
If you guys are down, this is
going to be called a pictures

1218
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,240
worth 1000 squares.
I, like a maniac, took a

1219
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,920
screenshot of every single
puzzle solution in the cross and

1220
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,120
not all of them are immediately
obvious what you're looking at.

1221
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,320
It shows you the image and then
the game almost invites you to

1222
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,880
guess what it is because then
you press the button again and

1223
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,000
then it'll give you the name of
it.

1224
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,320
So I'm going to show you guys a
series of 12 pictures.

1225
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,320
This is a rapid fire mini game
challenge.

1226
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,280
So the way it's going to work is
that you're each going to say as

1227
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,680
fast as you can what you think
it's an image of.

1228
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,240
OK, whoever gets the answer
first gets the point, but you

1229
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,360
each only get one guess.
So if neither of you get it, I

1230
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,280
will say the correct answer.
I'll give you a clue.

1231
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,760
You wouldn't rather that if we
get it wrong we just have to

1232
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:18,200
wait 2 minutes?
Or you just cut 2 minutes of me

1233
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,280
talking out of the podcast.
You kill me that way.

1234
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,360
OK, so you guys understand
you're just gonna blurt it out

1235
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,400
if you think you know it.
But don't just keep on shouting

1236
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,040
things.
Say one thing, OK?

1237
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:34,000
Right, OK, so let's start here
with round #1IN pit cross.

1238
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,400
You see a wide variety of
images, including.

1239
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,200
That's a goomba.
That's a.

1240
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,400
Bowling pins.
Birthday cake.

1241
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,040
So the first the first one was a
goomba and the second one was

1242
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,360
bowling pins.
There's also images of.

1243
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:49,200
Platypus.
Crocodile.

1244
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,400
Platypus, Duck bill.
That's what that was.

1245
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,000
Stroller strollers.
A race car.

1246
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,800
Race cars.
Stove.

1247
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:02,400
Oven.
Wooden stove.

1248
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,920
Nice tie game three to three.
We can't say that on this

1249
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:06,960
podcast.
I.

1250
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,960
Let's say.
If you're not watching on

1251
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,400
YouTube you're missing out
people.

1252
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,320
Let's say a waterfall.
I have no idea.

1253
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,560
Vacuum cleaner.
Come on guys, keep the classy

1254
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,200
that.
Was yeah, that was ridiculous.

1255
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,280
A lot of a lot of these, there's
this such a thing as you're

1256
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,560
going through these of like if
you focus on the wrong thing and

1257
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,360
think of it as like, yeah, you
don't realize that like the

1258
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,320
thing you're focusing on is the
negative space.

1259
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,800
Correct.
All right.

1260
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,880
How about a walrus?
I'm not giving you either.

1261
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,400
It's a seal.
Neither of you are right.

1262
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,720
Bathtub Man.
A bath.

1263
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:50,520
That Yoshi.
Mini Yoshi.

1264
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:51,880
Mini Yoshi.
Mini Yoshi.

1265
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,960
Actually, given that one to
Mike, it's 4:00 to 4:00.

1266
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,440
That's that's clearly mini
Yoshi's a distinct character, as

1267
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,160
he covered in a Super World
episode.

1268
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,600
Yeah.
And how about?

1269
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,240
Angel.
Think Subway and Matchsticks,

1270
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:05,880
Mike.
A kite.

1271
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:08,720
Mike pulls ahead.
Wow.

1272
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,000
And then one last one.
Rubber duck.

1273
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,240
That is a tie.
How'd that happen?

1274
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,200
I also would have accepted Mike
Snakes from a pot.

1275
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,640
This is a duck.
Well, I wish I don't have a tie

1276
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,360
break actually here.
What's what's this one?

1277
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,200
I don't even know what this is.
Yeah, that is, that is a

1278
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,640
Japanese letter.
Yeah, that's a kanji for sure.

1279
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,440
Mike wins.
Mike wins six to five.

1280
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,200
Good work, boys.
Proud of you.

1281
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,440
So Andrew, you said you love
Pick Cross.

1282
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,120
What do you like about these
games?

1283
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,440
Something other than what you've
already mentioned, of course.

1284
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,480
You know, I, I think it's, it's
a fun game style.

1285
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,280
I think it plays really well on
a game.

1286
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,520
You know, some of these, when
they translate it from like a

1287
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,960
written type thing into a game,
sometimes you lose some of the

1288
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,600
magic, but it's like the, the
fun of it's like you are

1289
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,880
chiseling like they make that
part of the game play.

1290
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,920
So that's kind of fun to reveal.
Yeah.

1291
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,440
So yeah, I, I like that.
I like, you know, you were

1292
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,160
showing the puzzles that they
replaced, but it is kind of like

1293
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,840
anything can be a puzzle, you
know, anything can be a pic

1294
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,319
cross image.
So like even Marilyn Monroe was

1295
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:25,760
a stretch.
But you know, that's Marilyn

1296
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,319
Monroe.
She's got the mole, She's got

1297
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:29,399
the lips.
Yeah, the scream.

1298
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,600
It's like that's that's
certainly the scream.

1299
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,760
Like, you know, I I'm certain
I've played one where it was

1300
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,319
Mona Lisa, you know, like they
like anything like you can take

1301
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,960
recognizable art pieces and make
it into pic Ross or you can take

1302
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,720
animals.
You know, it's like there's

1303
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:50,760
different types and I was, I was
talking to a friend recently and

1304
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:56,279
he does print out versions of
Giant Picross.

1305
01:08:56,279 --> 01:09:02,040
Like it is like 100 by 100.
Yeah, at like it's just insane.

1306
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,160
And he just, I think he just
does a a section at a time or

1307
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,960
something, But it's, it's huge.
He prints it out and he's a

1308
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,680
teacher.
So he has it on his wall at his

1309
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,439
at the school and it's like it's
fun to kind of he reveals a

1310
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,960
little bit everyday and it's
like you can look at it like

1311
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,200
that or these are just bite size
15 minutes or less.

1312
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:25,640
You just go in and you clear a
puzzle and it's just logic

1313
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,520
games.
It makes it fun.

1314
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:34,160
It feels very solvable.
It doesn't feel too, too obscure

1315
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,319
or difficult.
And then I mean like we just

1316
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,439
played that mini game.
Sometimes trying to guess what

1317
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,359
it's showing you is just as fun,
because if you kind of catch on

1318
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:46,479
you can you can see the
patterns. 100%.

1319
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,240
Yeah.
So I mean, it just goes on

1320
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,760
forever.
And I mean, that's that's why I

1321
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,800
think the the fun of they've,
they've made so many different

1322
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,760
versions on DS and all that
where it's like, yeah, these can

1323
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,240
just go on forever.
They don't have to be anything

1324
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,320
particular and they don't have
to really change it too much.

1325
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,040
I mean the and the squares get
bigger.

1326
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,600
You start with the 5 by 5 and
then you go 10 by 10, then 15,

1327
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,600
then 20 and it just gets, yeah,
huge, right?

1328
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,200
And I think that's that adds to
the challenge and that's where

1329
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:20,160
the fun is.
Yeah, and I think it's a really

1330
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,840
good casual yet challenging
game.

1331
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,760
So like I was waiting for my
because I got like eliminated in

1332
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,840
war zone.
And so I was just kind of

1333
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,920
sitting listening to my friends
Xbox chat and I picked up my

1334
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,960
switch and I did a couple of
pick cross puzzles, you know

1335
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,520
what I mean?
Or like Jackie's watching 90 day

1336
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,080
Fiance and I'm like lying next
to her playing some pick cross

1337
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,520
because like, you know, you can
pause the game anytime.

1338
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,240
And also, you know, much like
Clue, Clue Land, like I think

1339
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,120
that for me, Nintendo Switch
Online or Nintendo Classics,

1340
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,160
whatever you want to call it, is
probably the best way to play

1341
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,440
these because I'm casual.
When I make a mistake, I don't

1342
01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:57,400
mind rewinding and OK, put an X
there just because I don't want

1343
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,720
to have to retry again and redo
a puzzle.

1344
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,680
I failed.
I just want to gradually reveal

1345
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,000
the image.
Even if I'm not playing the game

1346
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,160
the way it was meant to be
played, I'm still enjoying it.

1347
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:10,400
The game the way it was meant to
be played is wrong.

1348
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,400
What do you mean?
Way it penalizes mistakes so you

1349
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,440
have a game.
Over you're saying pen and paper

1350
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:19,800
is more like time trial mode.
I wouldn't say most of the other

1351
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,880
games I've played have also a
bit more like that.

1352
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:28,200
OK, see I prefer the version
that goes oopsie and takes time

1353
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:32,160
off because then I can use the
oopsie to help me solve the

1354
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,320
puzzle faster.
Yeah.

1355
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,720
But then you go oopsie, it takes
time off, and then you rewind it

1356
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:37,840
so the time goes back on.
Yeah.

1357
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:43,600
Yeah, I have no problem with
that because I'm having fun with

1358
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,840
the toy.
There's nothing more painful for

1359
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,720
me than to hear the oopsie
noise.

1360
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:54,040
It's truly like, I'm like.
No, especially if it's a miss

1361
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,480
click.
Yeah, Oh my God, yeah, that one

1362
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,320
kill.
I'm like why?

1363
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,880
You know, it's really funny
because in playing the game for

1364
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,200
this episode, like, not to brag,
but like, I got my Switch too,

1365
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,400
right.
And so the first half of the

1366
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,960
puzzles I was playing on my old
Switch and the second-half I was

1367
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,880
playing on the Switch 2.
And the joysticks on the Switch

1368
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,680
2 are actually sensitive to the
point that it made the Game Boy

1369
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,280
version much harder.
And I had to use the directional

1370
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,960
buttons, which is not quite as
comfortable form factor wise.

1371
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,360
And so it was this weird moment
of like, whoa, like, because you

1372
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,880
think about like, an old Game
Boy is like, what's a cross,

1373
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,200
right?
And so games are programmed with

1374
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,560
the cross in mind.
Well, now I have like so many

1375
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,320
degrees of fine motion that
somehow it didn't quite

1376
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,800
translate.
I always just use the buttons.

1377
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,600
Yeah, yeah, the directional pad
is, is so much more accurate.

1378
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,000
I I feel like I go to that
naturally.

1379
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,720
I prefer joystick if I can get
away with it.

1380
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,720
Like, I'll even play Street
Fighter 2, you know, the SNES

1381
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,960
version on the joystick.
If I if, if, if it feels right.

1382
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,600
It didn't feel right in this
game.

1383
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,480
But I love what Andrew said
though.

1384
01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:01,680
But like, it feels like you're
really chiseling because like,

1385
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,920
yes, it's a numbers game.
Yes, that's a logic game.

1386
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,400
It also kind of feels like an
art game.

1387
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,960
And you're chiseling away at
this rock.

1388
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,600
And much like how artists can
like picture the, the, the face

1389
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,360
they're trying to create and
they always have that in mind as

1390
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,880
they're chiseling away at it,
You can kind of.

1391
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:22,240
Oh, OK, it looks like I've
created a dog paw in this corner

1392
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,360
of the screen.
So now let's take our geometry

1393
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,800
skills from 7th grade or in 8th
grade, and let's do a

1394
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,240
reflection.
And let's assume there's going

1395
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,160
to be a paw on the other side of
the screen in exactly that

1396
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,720
place.
Most of the time the pictures

1397
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,280
are centered and symmetrical, so
you kind of get help if you

1398
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,040
start to visualize it.
Do you guys play it that way?

1399
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,000
It's definitely how I played it.
Your peer numbers, Mike.

1400
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,800
Yeah.
But I think the the numbers back

1401
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,520
up that kind of visual play
style.

1402
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,600
And, and if they don't, then you
just know that it's not going to

1403
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,680
be like that.
Like even looking at the one you

1404
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,920
have on the screen now, it's
like you don't really see a

1405
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,480
symmetry.
You do see like a like something

1406
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:03,880
in motion with like the two ones
on the left turning into 3 ones

1407
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,240
and five.
So it's like something is like

1408
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,160
growing and then and then
coming, coming up.

1409
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,360
It's kind of interesting.
Oh.

1410
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,720
Oh, I never really.
OK, so you're seeing the bigger

1411
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,240
numbers and you can kind of see
the beginnings of the code.

1412
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:24,200
Wow, that's cool.
It's like when the more you play

1413
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,120
this game, I feel like you kind
of start to see the Matrix and

1414
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,480
like all the little numbers
start to form the images, like

1415
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:32,320
Neo in the hallway, Right?
It's a cool feeling.

1416
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,720
It really is.
Mike, what else do you like

1417
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,880
about it?
I would like to save my stuff to

1418
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,400
where we get between joy pros
and joy cons because you're kind

1419
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,200
of trying to talk about these as
one game and I think of them as

1420
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,800
very two different, as two very
different experiences.

1421
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,760
OK.
So, Andrew, are you cool to get

1422
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,120
into the comparison between the
two?

1423
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,920
Yeah.
OK, Mike, take it away.

1424
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,880
OK, so and again, a lot of this
comes from that I play a lot of

1425
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:04,400
these the pro kind of is just as
a general, you know, logic kind

1426
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:09,120
of game, which I do like and
certainly these worked well for

1427
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,880
these are really like ideal
second screen games to me, where

1428
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,200
I part of that has to do with
the fact that I was thoroughly

1429
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,960
underwhelmed by the music and
boop boop here.

1430
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,400
A lot of it.
Boop boop, boop, boop, boop.

1431
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:25,560
OK.
Yeah.

1432
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:30,720
And so I muted that and like I
listen to a whole lot of nothing

1433
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,640
new during this.
Nice.

1434
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,800
Because I'm just going through
this, I was like, I'm going to

1435
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,040
put something on.
And so I think certainly the

1436
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,520
first one.
It.

1437
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,920
Biggest strength, I think like
actually it's biggest strength

1438
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,240
is time trial mode for me,
because I think that was a much

1439
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,680
more fun mode.
And so getting to that is where

1440
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,040
the game got better.
And certainly I think it the

1441
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,680
Gameboy version displays better
on the screen.

1442
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,000
And I think a part of that is
they're really trying to

1443
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,760
maximize screen space because it
was on a Gameboy.

1444
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,520
And so I'm playing on ATV.
It is.

1445
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,280
It is clear and easy to read.
Yeah.

1446
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:14,160
When I got over to the S and ES
version, I think it doesn't use

1447
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:18,440
the screen as well.
I found it harder to read and as

1448
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:21,400
they start getting into more
complex puzzles, sizes start

1449
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:25,080
shrinking down and it gets the
point where it's hard to read.

1450
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,960
But it had a bunch of quality of
life adjustments that I

1451
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,600
appreciated.
So like on the Game Boy, you

1452
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:36,800
cannot mark off on the sides.
If you've completed a block, you

1453
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,200
can kind of cross it out and be
like, OK, no, I've taken care of

1454
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,440
that, which on larger puzzles
becomes more useful.

1455
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,840
They also really get rid of the
chiseling animation in the

1456
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,240
original Game Boy that I found
incredibly frustrating and would

1457
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,720
because you have to have like
you have the whole chisel

1458
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:59,880
animation and stuff that takes
enough time that it was easy to

1459
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:04,040
mess up because I would try to
move as I'm trying to move and

1460
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:08,600
go like, OK, I know I have a
whole row ready to go, And so

1461
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,320
getting rid of that was an
improvement.

1462
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:15,120
Once I fixed the visual display
thing somewhat on the SES, it

1463
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:20,040
improved a bit more and then
because you very quickly get to

1464
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:26,080
the Warios super pic Ross.
I enjoy that one a lot more as

1465
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:31,160
well because it doesn't have the
penalty of I've accidentally

1466
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,880
clicked in the wrong spot
because nine times out of 10 if

1467
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,560
I got penalized, I knew it was
wrong as well.

1468
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,680
It was I clicked the wrong spot.
I see what you're saying.

1469
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,800
Yeah.
It's it's it's slapping your

1470
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,840
wrist for something you already
knew was a missed click.

1471
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,520
And it just, it just roils you
that way.

1472
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:47,760
I totally get what you're
saying.

1473
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,040
It's just fascinating because
like, you know, Mike and I like

1474
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,320
very different styles of games
and I think that they were kind

1475
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,560
of wise to include sort of an
arcady dumb, dumb mode for Jamo

1476
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,600
where it's like, hey, wrong
square buddy.

1477
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,760
I'm like, thanks, game and
Mike's like I'll figure it out.

1478
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,440
Don't don't condescend to me.
Like I just it's this.

1479
01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:08,640
I'm I'm surprised at how much I
like this and I think it's

1480
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,040
because of that mode.
Yeah.

1481
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,360
And I think the and the worst
was having situations where it

1482
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:17,280
was like, it's a wrong click and
now I'm going to game over

1483
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,880
because I don't have enough time
because these are large puzzles.

1484
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,120
And again, rewinding, I never
cared about a missed click.

1485
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,560
I mean, I'd annoyed me, but it
didn't ruin my day.

1486
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,320
I do think though, it must be
said, since we're talking about

1487
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,720
how the Super Nintendo and the
Game Boy versions compare, is

1488
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,840
that Super Nintendo a Game Boy
the the most spaces you can have

1489
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:40,080
is a three by three puzzle.
So that would be 15 by 15,

1490
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:41,760
right?
So how many spaces?

1491
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:47,600
What's 15 * 15, Mike?
225 two. 125 and then the Super

1492
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,600
Nintendo because they had the
full television, the biggest 1

1493
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,880
you can get is 5 by 4 so. 25 by
20.

1494
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,120
Yeah, that's what I said.
Yeah, 25 by 20 because each each

1495
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:03,640
grid is 5 by 5 by 5.
But anyway, much bigger puzzles.

1496
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,080
I like 2 player mode.
Mike, did you like it?

1497
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,240
I thought that was kind of fun.
I I was not really a fan of it.

1498
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,720
Andrew, did you ever try to play
remote on pit cross?

1499
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,080
No, I didn't even know those
existed until you mentioned them

1500
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,280
the other day.
I was like, oh.

1501
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:18,960
If you want, when we're done
recording, you know, I should do

1502
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,800
a puzzle real quick because I
thought it was fun.

1503
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,960
But Mike, so I liked it because
it was fun to see that I was

1504
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,520
working in this part of the
puzzle.

1505
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,280
And then I see you making
progress, and I could see like

1506
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:34,320
speedrunners working together to
get through a game like this

1507
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,640
that could be really interesting
from like a teamwork perspective

1508
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,400
and communication and whatnot.
But what didn't you like about?

1509
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,880
Was it me?
It was me, wasn't it, Mike?

1510
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:48,120
It's it's you.
Because these are logic puzzles.

1511
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,520
It removes the ability to, I
think, to be methodical.

1512
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,920
OK, OK.
Even if I was getting it right,

1513
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,280
it was still interrupting your
brain flow.

1514
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:04,000
Yeah, OK, OK.
I love interrupting your brain

1515
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,200
flow, Mike.
That's like my whole thing.

1516
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,320
The whole.
Podcast of that, in a sense,

1517
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,560
yeah.
Anything else you guys like

1518
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,560
about these games or I guess
want to complain about?

1519
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,080
I think we're kind of doing both
at this point.

1520
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:19,680
There's definitely I felt
spoiled because of having played

1521
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:25,080
pick Ross on the DS and and the
way that some of those things

1522
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,280
will just automatically like on
on these.

1523
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,400
I didn't even realize on the
Super Nintendo version that you

1524
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:35,240
could mark off the numbers on
the side to say that you've

1525
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:39,400
completed that number because on
the kick cross version on the

1526
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,560
DS, they just do that
automatically.

1527
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,720
You just know you've knocked out
that that section of it.

1528
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,520
So those are just little
complaints where I'm like, well,

1529
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,920
you know, this is an older game.
Like it's not gonna have

1530
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:53,800
everything that the fancy new
game has.

1531
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,200
That's that's for sure.
And I, I jumped around.

1532
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,200
I didn't play in order cuz I was
for the Super Nintendo one.

1533
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,840
I was, I was just kind of like,
OK, let me go to this level.

1534
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,120
OK, let me go jump to the next
jump to the next.

1535
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:12,200
So I, I don't think I got like
the full experience, but it was

1536
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:16,400
it was definitely, you know,
some of those modern touches

1537
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,560
that are missing where I'm like,
I know they figured this out

1538
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:20,920
eventually.
Yeah.

1539
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,440
But even, I mean, when I was
playing Mario's pic Ross on the

1540
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:29,000
Game Boy like 10 years ago or
whatever, when I rediscovered, I

1541
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,440
was like, I was like, yeah, I
was like, yeah, it's not modern.

1542
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:34,920
But it was the fact that it was
like a Game Boy and it felt like

1543
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,800
the, the classicness of it is
what you're coming for, not the

1544
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:43,880
not modern sensibilities and
like updated gameplay.

1545
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,800
So I, my, my complaints are so
small and not even really about

1546
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,720
the game itself.
I I feel like the game it, it

1547
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,840
nails the premise.
So it's you can't, I can't

1548
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,480
really complain that much.
I'm glad you said it that way

1549
01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:00,600
too, because I think that this
sort of falls into the same kind

1550
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,640
of brain space as like a
crossword puzzle where it's like

1551
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,160
it's timeless and it's so simple
and it's the same rules every

1552
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,480
time.
And that's why it's a fun casual

1553
01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:11,200
thing.
And like, you'd never complain

1554
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,760
that a crossword puzzle doesn't
have like updated graphics or

1555
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,160
whatever, you know what I mean?
It's just there's a purity to

1556
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,600
this kind of puzzle that I think
is just really good design.

1557
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,280
Something that really drove me
nuts is again, I like the

1558
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,600
version where like it, you know,
will tell you if you made a

1559
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,240
mistake and so on that same
token, if you're playing the

1560
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:33,280
Mario version and you, you know,
chisel away at a square and it

1561
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,240
breaks and you don't get
penalized, you know that that's

1562
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,680
set right.
But then you can still erase it.

1563
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:45,000
And actually, why would you let
me erase it if like, how would

1564
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,480
that possibly help me?
Why would I ever want to do

1565
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:49,000
that?
But then, you know, you go to

1566
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,160
Wario mode or time trial mode.
Well, you have to have that

1567
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,920
option because you need to be
able to correct mistakes.

1568
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,360
A thing all in that same vein
where and I'm this is what I'm

1569
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,160
like.
This definitely could have been

1570
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,600
done.
Is more specifically that I do

1571
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:08,840
not think it should let you
directly overwrite that.

1572
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:13,240
If you put an X, it shouldn't
let you just put a block over

1573
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,960
and a large part of that is
because there's something

1574
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,320
incredibly satisfying with these
games.

1575
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,240
Big OK, these are the ones that
aren't.

1576
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,960
I can just fill in the rest and
in either case of either filling

1577
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,160
in squares or filling in things
you know it aren't know it

1578
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:30,400
cannot be squares.
This lets you overwrite those

1579
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,280
and it's like that was another
thing.

1580
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:36,080
Mistakes be like, OK I have 5 in
a row here and then I've already

1581
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:40,480
exed out the next few cuz I know
that those can't be it and have

1582
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:43,840
it go through and overwrite one
where I have the right thing

1583
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:48,480
there, you've overwritten it.
I don't like that was a bit

1584
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:50,720
where I'm like it should not do
that.

1585
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,280
And it's so simple, it could
have just been that instead of

1586
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,880
immediately overwriting your ex,
it just has an animation where

1587
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,240
it erases it and then breaks it
and you go OK stop.

1588
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,200
You know, it would have removed
a lot of frustration and missed

1589
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,120
clicks, especially for you since
you're not rewinding.

1590
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,160
Yeah, if it just used the erase
or if it was because it has the

1591
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,080
the erase and just having the
erase is in my mind like that's

1592
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,680
fine.
Just don't let one symbol

1593
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,960
overwrite the other would have
gone a very long way.

1594
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,720
And honestly, for me not having
a time limit thing, because

1595
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:26,880
there there are puzzles where
they're complex puzzles and I'm

1596
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,120
like in the time allotted, I
cannot get through that whole

1597
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,920
puzzle.
Just because the sheer number of

1598
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,440
clicks.
Also just do the amount of like

1599
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,800
going through and checking
things to the point where I

1600
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,960
decided like, OK, this one feels
fair because I've done it is I

1601
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,640
would have ones where I'd get
through most of the time, take a

1602
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,360
picture of it and then go back
and then I'd still it would

1603
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,160
still take like 10 minutes to
fill most of it in.

1604
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,520
Could I be like, I'm almost done
with this thing and I'm just

1605
01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:00,280
going to run out of time?
And I much prefer the time

1606
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:03,120
counting up.
A new dirty cheater taking a

1607
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,000
picture of the king of the
cheater.

1608
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,160
That's not even cheating.
Well can I just give a shout out

1609
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,640
though?
I thought I kind of touched on

1610
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,080
it briefly, but I love in the
Super Nintendo version, some of

1611
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,440
the animations are really cute.
They have like a there's a

1612
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:19,080
drinking fountain.
It's like gurgling water and

1613
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:23,280
then it explodes for no reason.
There's a little alarm clock.

1614
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,600
It's kind of dancing.
And to me it's very like

1615
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,440
evocative, or I guess it's not
evocative.

1616
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:29,520
The alarmo might have been
inspired by this little

1617
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,440
animation, but it looks similar
to me.

1618
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:37,000
My favorite animation was that
one of the puzzle solutions for

1619
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:41,840
pic cross is a pic cross board.
You recreate the entire pic

1620
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,320
Cross board and then the winning
animation it fills it in and

1621
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,280
shows you the animation of the
animation.

1622
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,400
I did not get how you know
getting inception by a 30 year

1623
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,120
old puzzle game like that was a
fun moment.

1624
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,760
Like my jaw literally dropped on
the stream.

1625
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:01,560
I was like, Oh my God, it's big.
There was also a neat bit with

1626
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:06,600
the S and ES version since it
has the Mario and Wario things

1627
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:11,360
and has scenes with Mario.
It's like when you go through

1628
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,920
the Mario one, each time you
complete it, he basically says

1629
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,080
something the lines of like,
congratulations, you've

1630
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,520
completed this, this set of
puzzles.

1631
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,320
Here's another one.
And then and at the at the end,

1632
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,760
like when you when you actually
beat all of that, he bows.

1633
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,440
That's cool.
But when you do the Wario ones,

1634
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,720
what Wario says when you
complete one is I think

1635
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,240
unfortunately you beat the
puzzles.

1636
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,520
Nice.
Which was a nice extra touch of

1637
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,840
personality to those, yeah.
And it's like, and the, if

1638
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,600
you're playing the Wario
puzzles, it's Wario's hand that

1639
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,280
swats the dust away and it's
Mario's like politely, you know,

1640
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,640
just little stuff like that.
It's like, you didn't have to do

1641
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,360
that, but I appreciate that you
did.

1642
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,120
I just, they're just moments.
And I think Andrew touched upon

1643
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:57,680
earlier where it's like you
don't really know what you're

1644
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,520
looking at.
But like for the Super Nintendo

1645
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:03,480
1, like I don't know the kanji
alphabet, I don't know like what

1646
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:06,080
Rd. signs look like in Japan.
So there was a lot of puzzles

1647
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,080
where like I was just like, OK,
I did it.

1648
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:09,240
I don't know what I'm looking
at.

1649
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,560
And the animation is kind of
undulating.

1650
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:12,960
So let's just go on to the next
one.

1651
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:17,040
Like I don't know anything else
to say in defense or criticism

1652
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,440
of Pic Cross or Super Pic Cross
before you render our verdicts

1653
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,040
guys, no.
I think it for how long you

1654
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,280
spend on puzzles, I think the
music could have been better.

1655
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,560
But yeah, at this point it's
very easy to mute it and put

1656
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,120
something else on that's more
entertaining.

1657
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,840
And you it's like, like I said,
like a crossword puzzle, like,

1658
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:34,640
you know, the crossword puzzle
has bad music.

1659
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,080
And it's like change the
station.

1660
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,120
And I suppose I I do wish I
could have just.

1661
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:43,360
I got tired of having to exit
out of the prompts about hints.

1662
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,280
I wish I could have just said
stop asking me about those.

1663
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,840
Oh, the hint was I, I was saying
no.

1664
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,000
And then at a certain point I
accidentally said yes.

1665
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,560
And then it was the most fun
thing I've ever seen where it

1666
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,760
like, like a, like a casino slot
machine, like it, the little

1667
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,080
randomizer picks what row and
column it's going to show you.

1668
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,560
I was like, oh I'm doing this
every time now.

1669
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,280
It's more fun and and like I
said, I'm a casual gamer when it

1670
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:09,680
comes to puzzle.
I mean, I'm a casual gamer in

1671
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:13,280
most regards, but like, you
know, it's like, yes, I like I'm

1672
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,400
going to cheat anyway.
Give me two full row, give me a

1673
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,160
row and a call.
And it was hilarious when like

1674
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,240
the game would automatically
fill in one for you that you

1675
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:21,440
knew was empty.
And it's like.

1676
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:22,280
Thanks.
Zero.

1677
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:23,840
Yeah, yeah, thanks.
Pick Ross.

1678
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,600
But you know what I did, Mike?
I reround that bad boy and spun

1679
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:31,680
the roulette again like I just.
I'm here for a good time, not a

1680
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,360
long time.
You love rewinding.

1681
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,640
This is like the most low stakes
ever and you're like, I got to

1682
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:41,360
rewind I.
You're not wasting my time game

1683
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,440
Andrew.
If you get me, you get me, and

1684
01:28:44,440 --> 01:28:48,120
that's not a good thing.
To beat the first game was like

1685
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,160
30 out, just over 30 hours for
me.

1686
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:54,560
And to for the second one to get
through all of Mario 6 levels of

1687
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:59,000
Wario was another 30 hours.
It's like there is a lot of

1688
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:03,520
time, but to me like the the
meat of that is the logic it

1689
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,160
out.
And so kind of the the hint

1690
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:10,040
thing runs against that for me,
but.

1691
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:12,400
You know what's interesting I
just while we were talking I

1692
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,920
fired up my switch and I turned
on the CRT filter for the Super

1693
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,040
Nintendo version.
I cannot play that way like that

1694
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,760
hurts my eyes.
So leave a comment or maybe

1695
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:25,240
we'll put a discord pole.
Does CRT improve this for you or

1696
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,280
or not?
I'm curious why it'd be

1697
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,280
different for us.
Do you have the Switch docked?

1698
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,720
No, dock it.
Cuz I suspect it's that cuz it's

1699
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:37,160
I'm playing it on ATV.
OK, I'll try Mr. Scientist.

1700
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:40,800
OK, well guys, that brings us to
the moment of truth.

1701
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,760
We've covered the Joy pros, the
joy Cons, and every bit in

1702
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,800
between.
So it's time to declare each

1703
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,280
game from today's episode as a
Nintendo or a Nintend.

1704
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,200
Don't.
So, Andrew, can you start us

1705
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:52,320
off?
We'll start off with Clue.

1706
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,240
Clue Land on the NES.
Would you recommend it?

1707
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:56,280
Do you think it's worth people's
time?

1708
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,000
Yeah, that's a Nintendo.
Nintendo.

1709
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:04,440
I think that'll for people who
who have played a lot of older

1710
01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:06,440
games, I think it might shock
them.

1711
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:10,240
It has, it has like such a weird
play style.

1712
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:14,000
Yeah, I I think people, people
should experience it.

1713
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,560
OK, OK.
And I enjoy it.

1714
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,640
I honestly do enjoy it.
You're down for some clue Clue.

1715
01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:24,640
But so you there's other tiers.
Is it a Super Nintendo?

1716
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,240
Is it Nintendo 64?
Like how far are you gonna

1717
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,000
recommend it?
No, it's just a Nintendo.

1718
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:30,800
It's a solid, flat Nintendo.
Yeah.

1719
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,240
Let's not go crazy.
Let's not go crazy.

1720
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,880
Mike, I think you're going a
different way.

1721
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,960
Am I reading you right?
It's tough in that on one hand,

1722
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,280
I do somewhat appreciate it is a
interesting way of controlling

1723
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:49,760
like I appreciate that for that.
And it almost just feels like

1724
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:54,400
there's just too many things
that fell into more into making

1725
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:58,000
that way of playing enjoyable in
terms of like the the way the

1726
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,400
time runs down and in terms of,
you know, the ability to get

1727
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:06,320
stuck and not be able to get out
kind of stuff that I think puts

1728
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,120
this narrowly on the Nintendo
side of things.

1729
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,600
OK, reluctant Nintendo.
It's just, yeah, it's just like

1730
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:16,640
it's there's promise there where
I'm kind of like, it's worth

1731
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,440
kind of checking where I kind of
want to be like it's worth

1732
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:20,400
checking out.
But then I'm like.

1733
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,640
But then it gets really, really
frustrating in a way that's not

1734
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,640
that for me, was not fun.
Yeah.

1735
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,960
It's a disappointed Nintent,
don't it?

1736
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,560
Was almost there.
Oh yeah, do you have levels?

1737
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,400
Levels of Nintend don't.
It's the same one.

1738
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:38,800
Super Nintendo Nintendo 60.
Four, I thought you'd go, you'd

1739
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,520
go.
The other you'd name them after

1740
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:44,080
Sega Genesis.
Mikes try.

1741
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,200
He's tried to do a virtual boy
or something like that.

1742
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:48,160
I wasn't gonna.
Bring No.

1743
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,160
I, I was slightly concerned that
because I think of that as the

1744
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:52,960
thing of this isn't necessarily
going to be good, but you should

1745
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,120
check it out just so you know
what it is briefly, but like,

1746
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,200
it's not like, oh, I'm going to
invest time in this just like,

1747
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,720
so you've seen what this is.
OK, so I'm look, look, because

1748
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:03,960
because I like Andrew.
OK, I'm going to meet you

1749
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,720
halfway here.
What if it's a virtual DOI where

1750
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,840
it's like it's worth checking
out but it's still bad?

1751
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,920
I don't think it's everyone's.
It's not everyone's cup of tea,

1752
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:17,080
I.
Will allow a new category called

1753
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:18,440
virtual.
No I won't, no I won't.

1754
01:32:18,440 --> 01:32:20,480
This is madness.
No, this is crazy.

1755
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,120
No, I take it back.
I hate it immediately.

1756
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,560
I did not like Clue.
Clue land.

1757
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,960
I'm tempted to go Nintendo
because I think within 30

1758
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,960
seconds of playing you'll know
if you're going to enjoy it or

1759
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:35,320
not.
But I really struggle imagining

1760
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,200
why Andrew likes this game so
much.

1761
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:42,600
It's so difficult and so hard to
control and in not a good way.

1762
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:46,400
So listen, I hate to do it.
I was going to be a Super

1763
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:50,640
Nintendo, but you've talked me
down to just a regular, also

1764
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,400
kind of reluctant Nintendo.
I'm sorry to overrule our guest

1765
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,720
Andrew, but I just don't think
Klu Kulin is very good.

1766
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,440
But I'm happy.
I love that for you, as our kids

1767
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:02,080
say.
I knew I was bringing, I was

1768
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,160
fighting a losing battle.
I brought a loser into the

1769
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,120
arena.
But listen though, like I think

1770
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,040
it's the teacher in me.
You always look for the good,

1771
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:12,400
you know what I mean?
And there's other fans of this

1772
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,800
game out there.
And if you're one of the five

1773
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,120
fans of this game that exists,
like, leave a comment, you know

1774
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,680
what I mean?
This falls into game reviews.

1775
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:23,080
Like movie reviews.
Part of the value is knowing,

1776
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,560
OK, these are where my tastes
are and this is where that

1777
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,400
person's tastes are.
And so there is a if this is a

1778
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,680
kind of game play you like, it
can work.

1779
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,600
It doesn't work for me, but that
doesn't mean it doesn't work for

1780
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,240
anyone.
I'm standing on the side of

1781
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:39,440
supporting the first woman in
video games ever.

1782
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:41,520
Yeah, you know.
Oh, oh, you're tempting me.

1783
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,200
You're tempting me to jump
sides.

1784
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:46,720
Andrew I.
The first female protagonist I

1785
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,280
really.
Don't want to be on the wrong

1786
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:55,040
side of history in 2025 like I
OK, let's move on to pit cross.

1787
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,240
Let's do Game Boy and Super
Nintendo both at the same time.

1788
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:00,200
What's your verdict for each
one, Andrew?

1789
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,040
Mario's Pit Cross and Mario's
Super Pit Cross.

1790
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:09,640
You know, this is interesting
because thinking of them, I just

1791
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,960
kind of automatically lump them
together, but the gameplay is

1792
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:19,560
different enough that I, I to
separate them out and render A

1793
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:23,240
verdict.
I mean, I, I feel like Mario's

1794
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:29,080
pic Ross is a Nintendo.
That's just, I, I would even go

1795
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,920
to like Super Nintendo for for
the Game Boy version.

1796
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:35,560
Love it.
But the I think with the

1797
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:41,560
translation issues with the
Mario's super pic Ross, I that

1798
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,120
I'm, I'm on the verge of a
Nintendo.

1799
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,880
I I feel like it's, you know,
it's the same game play that you

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01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:52,640
love, but I don't think I think
people it it's not, it's not as

1801
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,200
appealing.
And obviously they kind of knew

1802
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:57,600
that because it never did
release in America.

1803
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,120
Like there's something something
about it where they're like,

1804
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:02,720
well, never mind, we'll just
stick to what we have.

1805
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,480
I guess it does get a Nintendo
because I do like the Wario

1806
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:09,000
Mario silliness that they throw
in there.

1807
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:13,400
Yeah.
It's a it's a mild Nintendo for

1808
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,440
for Super pic Ross, but Mario's
pic Ross is definitely it's a

1809
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:19,840
Super Nintendo for me.
I'm fascinated, Mike, I'm going

1810
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,240
to, I'm going to go next because
I want to say the suspense

1811
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:26,400
because like he mentions like
the Wario part, you can get to

1812
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,760
that much faster in the Super
Nintendo version.

1813
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,400
You got to beat all of the Game
Boy versions to unlock time

1814
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,880
trial mode.
And even though I know Mike

1815
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,200
prefers the Game Boy version, I
wonder how that's going to sway

1816
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,760
him.
So I am, I'm splitting the vote

1817
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,880
here because I really like the
Super Nintendo version.

1818
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:46,000
I like the weird animations.
I really like 2 player mode.

1819
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:49,360
I liked the color, I liked some
of the quality of life

1820
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:53,800
improvements to the point that
I'm like, would I play the Game

1821
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,440
Boy version?
And I don't think I would

1822
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,680
because I think that everything
that the Game Boy version does,

1823
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,280
the Super Nintendo version does,
but it does more.

1824
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:06,320
And especially since some of the
like, like I think both puzzles

1825
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,160
have like a leaf as one of the
answers.

1826
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,520
So like you're kind of almost
creating the same kinds of

1827
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,840
images.
So not taking anything away from

1828
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,520
the Gameboy original, but
because I think it's kind of

1829
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:21,280
rendered irrelevant, especially
since both games are actually at

1830
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,080
the same basic subscription for
Nintendo Switch Online.

1831
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:27,240
If you have access to pic cross,
you have access to what I think

1832
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,800
is the better Mario Super pic
Cross.

1833
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,040
So that's a Nintendo and Gameboy
is a Nintendo.

1834
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:34,600
Don't Mike.
What?

1835
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:38,960
What's your what's your verdict?
I think, and this is coming from

1836
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,960
someone who plays a lot of games
in the in this genre, I think

1837
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:49,560
they both fall as Nintendo's.
Part of that is there's so many

1838
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:56,440
other games in that space that
are the same thing that have a

1839
01:36:56,440 --> 01:37:01,280
lot of those additional features
that really make this a lot

1840
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:06,200
nicer of experience in terms of
things like, OK, this game is

1841
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:11,240
not going to have me game over
in such a frustrating way.

1842
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,320
Yeah, or, you know, things can't
over don't just overwrite like

1843
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:19,040
that that make it a lot easier.
And then certainly more modern

1844
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,360
games also have things like if
you've completed, if you've

1845
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:25,800
marked out blocks, it will
update this this top and the

1846
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:29,080
side to be like, OK, yeah,
you've you put those on the

1847
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,920
board already.
But at the same time, like these

1848
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:37,760
are that whole genre is not a
game that's terribly replayable

1849
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,320
because the whole point with the
logic puzzle is kind of like

1850
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,120
figuring it out.
And those are tough to revisit.

1851
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,440
And so there's a sense for like,
I'm always kind of after more.

1852
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,960
And I don't think they both have
things that frustrate me.

1853
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:56,680
But neither were to the point of
not playing the SNES one was

1854
01:37:56,680 --> 01:38:00,120
going to be until I switched
switched modes.

1855
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:04,360
And then graphically I could
look at it and read it.

1856
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,200
So once I could do that,
definitely it's more puzzles.

1857
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:12,960
I do recommend like Google
Translate on a phone for it just

1858
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:16,160
to figure out what some of the
things you get shown are, but I

1859
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,000
don't think it's necessary.
So even though it's not in

1860
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,920
English, really, once you've
figured out the one, the one

1861
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:25,000
prompt it shows you is do you
want a hint or not?

1862
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,280
There's nothing else that
actually kind of you have to

1863
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:28,840
worry about what it's asking you
about.

1864
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:32,240
Everything else is
straightforward or it's numbers.

1865
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,680
Yeah, it's the universal
language.

1866
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:35,840
There you go.
Yeah.

1867
01:38:36,440 --> 01:38:40,600
OK, Well, I think we're going to
call that game over for today.

1868
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:44,120
The final score for Clue.
Clue Land is a reluctant intend.

1869
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:47,160
Don't.
And both pic Cross and Mario

1870
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:50,080
Super Pic Cross are both
Nintendos.

1871
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,640
The council has spoken.
Andrew, thank you so much for

1872
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,280
taking us for a spin today.
Before you get on out of here,

1873
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,000
why don't you tell our listeners
one more time where they can

1874
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:02,120
find your stuff?
Yeah, you can find find me on

1875
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:06,720
Instagram and various online
places at podcaster Andrew, you

1876
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,440
can check out nothing new or
remake podcast on pretty much

1877
01:39:10,440 --> 01:39:15,040
any podcast app that you use new
episodes every month.

1878
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,480
We also have a Patreon where we
have bonus episodes.

1879
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:26,000
So check check all that out.
It's is this Is this releasing

1880
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:29,600
relatively soon?
About a month and 1/2.

1881
01:39:30,440 --> 01:39:33,440
Yeah, a couple months out.
Yeah, then it might be might be

1882
01:39:33,440 --> 01:39:36,160
How to Train Your Dragon is our
most recent episode.

1883
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:37,920
Oh yeah.
Because are you guys at 100,

1884
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,560
you're coming up on 100?
We're, we're so close.

1885
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,560
I, I, we might have hit 100 and
I'd missed it.

1886
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:47,520
No, I think I think maybe how to
train Your dragon will be 100.

1887
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,000
Pretty dope.
It's either that or the OR the

1888
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,880
July episode, which I still want
to be mysterious about, but

1889
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,600
it'll be it's a really, it's a
big one.

1890
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,880
So okay, if that's 100 that
would be more thematically cool,

1891
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:02,560
but might be How to Train your
Dragons 100.

1892
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:05,400
Makes it in post.
Yeah, we'll do it live.

1893
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:08,160
OK, well, that all sounds
northeast.

1894
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:09,080
Excellent.
Everyone.

1895
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:11,600
Join us next time and we'll be
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1896
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:17,480
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1897
01:40:17,480 --> 01:40:19,880
Online.
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1898
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:23,760
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1899
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,760
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1900
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,320
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1901
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,840
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1902
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,000
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1903
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,680
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1904
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,640
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1905
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:43,320
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1906
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:46,280
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1907
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:49,240
This has been the old Switcheroo
where you've been talking gaming

1908
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:51,600
retro with Mike and Jamo.
I've been Mike.

1909
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,080
And I've been jamo game on
everyone.

1910
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:09,400
I don't like the Eddie.
Well, actually I kind of like

1911
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:12,880
both of them to be honest.
But the newer Haunted Mansion I

1912
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:16,200
thought was actually OK and the.
I think the the the first one I

1913
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:20,280
appreciate as like if this
didn't have Eddie Murphy in it,

1914
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:24,240
I think this had almost work,
which is a problem when he is

1915
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:27,880
the main person.
And then the newer one, I just

1916
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:32,240
like it as part of the Disney
live action depressed physicist

1917
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:35,240
trilogy.
What are the other two?

1918
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,360
It's that Sorcerer's Apprentice
and Tomorrowland.

1919
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:43,160
OK.
Is that a little close to home

1920
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:43,600
there buddy?