S3E10: Blast Corps -or- I've heard of a crash course, but this is ridiculous!

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I don't know where my Genesis 
could be. 

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I haven't seen my Super Nintendo
since 2003. 

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That's all right. 
I don't mind. 

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I've got a Switch in the old 
Switch room. 

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My friend Mike and Jamo too. 
All right everyone, welcome back

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to the old Switcheroo where 
we're talking gaming retro with 

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Mike and Jamo. 
I'm Mike and I'm Jamo play along

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on our epic quest to research 
and review all 250 plus games in

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the Nintendo Classics catalog. 
Today we are clearing a path for

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1997's Blast Core on the 
Nintendo 64 in an episode we are

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calling. 
I've heard of our crash course, 

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but this is ridiculous. 
Now, Mike, I'm I'm trying to 

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tease the audience a little 
here. 

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I'm trying to generate some 
excitement. 

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But today I think you brought a 
bona fide expert in building 

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hype and breaking down trailers.
Would you like to introduce 

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them? 
Yeah, so I'm always enjoying 

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getting to bring on people who 
have actually supported us and 

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acknowledge that we exist in the
past. 

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And a great one for that from 
Trailer Boys is Nate, as well as

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on Twitch as Nate Blackest. 
Nate, you want to describe sort 

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of what it is you do? 
Yay. 

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Yeah, I my brother. 
That's pretty much it is my 

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brother. 
My my claim to any notoriety 

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would be like my brother is Sam 
Brown of the whitest kids, you 

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know, and during COVID. 
That's a, that's a sketch comedy

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show from like 20 years ago now 
almost. 

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But during COVID, they wanted to
do stuff. 

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Everyone was locked down and 
bored. 

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Trevor started doing stuff on 
YouTube and then they're like, 

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we should do live stuff on 
Twitch. 

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And then that's when I got 
involved helping them out do 

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that stuff. 
And you know, we had a bunch of 

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great live Twitch shows almost 
every day of the week. 

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And then Sam and I started one 
called Trailer Boys, which was 

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a, it's still going. 
It's a Sunday night show. 

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And we kind of turned it into a 
game show where we have a theme.

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People submit trailers to the 
website, which is Misery Loves 

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dot US. 
That'll show you all the details

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of what the theme is, when the 
next show is. 

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And then we will pick the 
trailers, not really at random, 

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but Sam really picks the 
trailers out and then we kind of

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vote on them and the audience 
votes on them live. 

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And then we give out points. 
And then there's a season where 

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whoever hits 100 points first, 
the season ends. 

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So it's pretty fun with some of 
the odd themes we've done and 

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some of the wild trailers of 
movies people have found because

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it's, it's always fun to see 
something that's like, I've 

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never heard of this, you know, 
like, and, and then trailers are

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great because they're non 
committal. 

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You know, it's like 3 minutes of
your life. 

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You know, it's going to be tough
to be like, hey, I found this 

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movie, it could be complete 
garbage. 

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We should watch it and you have 
to commit like 2 hours. 

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No way. 
So that's what we do. 

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And that's on the official 
Whitest Kids Twitch channel, 

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which is I think it's official 
WKUK or WKUK official. 

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Official WKUK. 
Official, like, yeah, I 

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shouldn't know that, but yeah, 
we do that every Sunday around 

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9:00 PM Eastern, 6:00 PM Pacific
because my brother is in Pacific

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Time. 
And then I do my own Twitch 

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show, kind of like supplementary
content to that show called mid 

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hunters, more or less. 
Well, I, I don't really call the

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show mid hunters. 
It's just like the act of mid 

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hunting, which is like searching
for these like mid tier movies 

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that like, you know, aren't that
just are forgotten about and and

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won't leave really an 
impression. 

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Like you'll forget your see the 
movie. 

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Sometimes we'll watch a movie 
and I'll remember I've seen the 

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movie like at the third act and 
be like, wait a minute, like. 

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So it's that kind of stuff. 
It's just it's silliness pretty 

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much, you know? 
Yeah, well, there's, there's 

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movie clubs right, where people 
watch like good move, like 

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films, film clubs. 
And then there's like jokey, 

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let's watch only bad stuff and 
tear it apart. 

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And that's fun too. 
This is more like middle range 

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stuff that like, you know, we're
not finding stuff from other 

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people, you know, most of the 
time. 

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It's not like, you know, a lot 
of stuff you'll see on bad movie

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podcast and people like let's 
watch that. 

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We're kind of finding our own 
stuff because they're the 

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majority of things on like a 
bell curve. 

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We're going to be in that, that 
middle of the road Rd. stuff 

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there. 
So we do we do find things that 

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I'm like, I think we're probably
the only people that have 

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watched this since it came out, 
that kind of stuff. 

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So it's it's pretty fun. 
I love that. 

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I think the genius of focusing 
on the middle of the pack is 

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that it's like, is this was this
a bad movie that by happy 

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accident or had one really good 
idea and now it's actually kind 

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of interesting. 
Or you could be like, this movie

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could have been great. 
And you know what kind of held 

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it back? 
So Mike, you've been on the 

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you've been on the Trailer boys 
leaderboard a couple of times. 

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Oh yeah. 
Yeah, I, I hold a very strong 

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position at the very bottom of 
that leaderboard. 

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But. 
Still on the leaderboard? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Still there. 

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What trailers have you 
submitted? 

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There has been a lot. 
I mean, obviously, I think part 

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of is there's definitely been 
several that like I've had to 

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edit so that they can show them 
on Twitch. 

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You've had to censor it. 
Yeah. 

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That's awesome vampire hookers. 
That was one of the ones that 

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was a lot of censoring, but it 
has such a great theme song. 

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OK, if you're my student and 
you've discovered the podcast, 

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he said that I didn't. 
OK, that that's the thing. 

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Well, you know what, Nate? 
Before we get to Blast Corps, I 

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don't like you just saying, oh, 
like I'm just known because of 

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Sam because I was watching one 
of your older episodes, your 

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Fast Cars themed trailer 
competition. 

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It was like as close as I could 
get to Blast Corps. 

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And you, Sam was trying to 
remember all the Fast and 

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Furious titles and you jokingly 
suggested Dark of the Moon and 

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Transformers Revenge of the 
Fallen. 

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And I was like wait, did Nate 
just discover like a peanut 

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butter combination? 
How have we not had a fast and 

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furious style movie with 
Transformers like? 

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It would make so much sense. 
Yeah, it's too. 

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Good. 
It's too good. 

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It makes too much sense. 
That's a layup. 

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Universal does own both of 
those, right? 

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Yeah. 
Like, I mean, they've got rides 

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for both of them. 
All right, add that to my Fast 

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and Furious predictions. 
I think that the final Fast and 

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Furious movie is gonna be Fast 
XXX, and it's gonna have Vin 

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Diesel's character from XXX. 
And now I think they're going to

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get Transformers in there as a 
post credits scene. 

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But anyway, Mike, stay on topic 
here. 

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I think it's time to get moving.
Are you guys ready to talk about

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some video game demo? 
Video game demo? 

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No, no, no demo. 
Yeah. 

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Well, let's move on to Blast 
Core, released for the Nintendo 

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64 in 1997. 
As described on Nintendo 

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Classics Emergency Blast Core 
mobilized in this action game 

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released for the Nintendo 64 
console in 1997, you take on the

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work of the Blast Core, the 
leaders in the field of heavy 

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duty demolition, known for their
skill, experience, and cutting 

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edge technology. 
A carrier hauling a pair of 

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defective nuclear missiles has 
gone off route on its way to a 

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safe detonation site. 
You must clear the way to avoid 

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catastrophe. 
Each of the machines available 

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to the Blast Core is unique and 
powerful, with more than 8 

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vehicles ranging from a 
bulldozer to a giant flying 

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Mecca. 
Each stage will ask something 

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different and may require you to
switch machines in the middle of

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the level or even operate trains
or cranes. 

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Time to get moving. 
Who says more than 8 vehicles? 

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What? 
It's weird to say more than 8 

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vehicles and use like a that 
precise of a number. 

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Yeah, you're not even a double 
digit. 

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Yeah. 
Exactly like is it 9? 

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Just say more like more than 10 
would sound normal. 

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Yeah, it's like you're talking 
about this game on the 

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schoolyard. 
How many vehicles are in the 

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game? 
More than eight. 

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OK, well, good. 
Well, box art was often people's

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first impressions. 
So in the North American box 

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here, we got the street level 
view of the action. 

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You got the backlash dump truck 
crashing through a building 

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toward the customer. 
The ballista motorcycle is 

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launching a volley of missiles 
also towards the customer. 

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The J bomb flying Mecca 
shooting. 

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I come hit her. 
Look at you guessed it, the 

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customer. 
And behind all this is the 

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nuclear character carrier 
approaches from the background. 

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Nate, you're something of an 
expert on marketing here. 

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What's your what's your take on 
the box art? 

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I, I loved it. 
I mean, it's so intense. 

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And like, I remember, I remember
when this came out, we got it. 

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It was, you know, there were no 
recognizable characters, wasn't 

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coming from an established IP, 
you know, and it was like 3D 

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looking like you could see you, 
you could kind of tell like you 

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were going to get this 3D game, 
you know, because N64 was like 

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that whole that that dawn of 
that whole thing. 

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So I remember seeing this man, 
what is this? 

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Like it's just, it's very 
curious right off the bat. 

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And, and the, the motion implied
is really dynamic. 

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You got the bricks flying, the 
missile trails. 

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If you even look the building, 
they're breaking through, it 

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looks like it's kind of tilting 
and falling over. 

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Like I love this. 
And we've also seen this on the 

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Ocarina of Time box where it's 
like they're kind of showing off

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3D now. 
Japanese box are quite 

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different. 
Mike, what's your take on it? 

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This is a lot closer to just 
that. 

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Like just put all the things on 
the poster and call it a day. 

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So you've got all the vehicles 
on there, but there's no sense 

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of like a scene to it. 
No, they're kind of all centered

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around the logo Blast them all, 
which kind of misleading. 

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That to me implies you're going 
to be, you know, fighting 

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enemies and trying to blast all 
the enemies. 

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And then the title Blast Dozer 
kind of implies the bulldozer is

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going to be kind of the thing. 
No, just me. 

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Yeah, for some reason, I don't 
know, this feels vaguely like I 

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expect this to be like a 
Starship Troopers tie in with 

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Blast em all like that. 
Right. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And this game is decidedly non 

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violent. 
I don't know if I'd say this is 

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decidedly non violent. 
Well, I mean you're blowing up a

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empty buildings. 
No one gets hurt unless you 

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lose. 
Allegedly. 

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OK. 
Everyone runs out of the 

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buildings when you when you blow
up the buildings so you see them

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running. 
That is kind of crazy. 

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Like part of the game is saving 
survivors. 

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And how do you save survivors? 
Blow up the building they're in?

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What? 
Is is that not how it's normally

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done? 
That's how it works like the 

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couple places in the world. 
Trying that right now. 

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Actually speaking around the 
world here. 

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This game was produced by the 
Stamper brothers Chris and Tim 

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in addition to Co founding Rare 
Entertainment. 

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We will meet them again when we 
cover the sci-fi adventure Jet 

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Force Gemini for the N64. 
So I got some knowledge as 

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Nintendo Power trivia for y'all 
As Rare's first title for the 

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N64 Blast Core received 
universal acclaim according to 

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metacritic.com, despite being 
considered a commercial 

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disappointment, failing to move 
even a million copies. 

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But more than 8 Mike, so that's 
good. 

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The game has a number of fun 
hidden vehicles that are all 

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nods to American television. 
You can find the Gran Torino 

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from What Show guys. 
Oh, it's the cop show Starsky 

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and Hutch. 
Starsky and Hutch, well done. 

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You can unlock the van from What
Mike? 

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The A-Team van. 
The A-Team van. 

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All right, that's why I went for
that. 

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Did you press the horn while you
were driving the van? 

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No, I did not. 
There's a Mr. T sound alike that

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goes out of my way. 
Out of my way. 

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I couldn't. 
I'm like, what is it just it's 

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gonna be a baracus. 
Like apparently yes. 

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Yeah, you know, they wanted it 
to be. 

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I pity the fool, though. 
And they're like, we can't. 

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And then the last one is the All
American, which is not a famous 

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design, but if you press the 
horn, it plays Dixie. 

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So Nate, what show would that 
be? 

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Yeah, it's Dukes of Hazard. 
Dukes of Hazard, yeah. 

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In my memory, when I went back, 
I was like, Oh yeah, the the 

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General Lee is in the game and 
I'm like, it's not. 

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I was wondering though, like in 
my memory it was too, but like, 

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it's kind of obvious, you know? 
If you know the Dukes of 

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Hazzard's car, it has the 
Confederate flag painted on the 

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top, so not hard to imagine why 
they'd want to change the look 

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of it and have it be an American
flag instead. 

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But in like 97. 
Yeah, I was like, honestly, I'm 

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surprised because nothing else 
has gotten that memo. 

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Right. 
Rare being woke in 97. 

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Yeah, man. 
There's a place in Nashville. 

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It's a museum that Dukes a 
hazard called Cooters Nashville 

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and so many Confederate flags. 
Some might say too many. 

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Yeah, maybe 1. 
Where? 

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Where are the brothers that 
started Rare? 

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Where are they from? 
In the UK. 

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OK, so maybe it maybe the IT 
means something different to 

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them. 
The Confederate flag. 

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I don't know. 
I don't know. 

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I was surprised though, because 
I was yeah. 

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I mean, even the horn that's was
like, Oh yeah, maybe it's not 

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this, but yeah, sorry. 
Oh, it's all good. 

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So a design choice that was 
definitely not intentional was 

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the decision to give the Thunder
Fist mech only one arm. 

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According to a 2009 interview 
for now gamer.com, the 

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developers literally ran out of 
memory on the cartridge and 

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could not fit the polygonal 
model for Thunder Fist Second 

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Arm. 
But according to Martin Wakeley,

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the happy accident ended up 
making the character a lot more 

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memorable, so they were 
ultimately happy with the 

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exclusion. 
Crazy. 

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Isn't that funny? 
That's sick. 

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That is really cool. 
Like trivia on this because I I 

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thought it was funny. 
And it's it's interesting too, 

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because like you look at 
Thunderfist, there's actually 

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little wires almost implying 
that it lost the arm. 

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But I just kind of love that 
because to me that is a much 

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more iconic design. 
I don't know if I would remember

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it so vividly if it had both its
arms. 

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That's also just impressive like
that. 

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That can't be that much memory. 
Like, yeah, you have a lot of 

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things in this game that you 
could have cut. 

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Yeah. 
Like they kept the Mr. T sound 

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alike in exchange for an arm. 
I mean, didn't cost an arm and a

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leg, just an arm. 
You'll choose your battles. 

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Yeah, yeah, pick your poison. 
So before we get into the joy 

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pros and joy cons of Blast Core,
what is our history with this 

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game and how far did we get? 
So, Nate, can you kind of tell 

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us why you picked it and what 
your history of the game is? 

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Yeah, you know, I was. 
I saw Blast. 

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I want to write to Blast. 
Sounds like a Blaster Master was

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one of my favorite games as a 
kid on NES. 

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And then Blast Core was right 
there and I dipped into blaster 

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Master and that game was hard as
shit. 

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So I abandoned that so quickly 
and went right to blast Core and

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I was like yes. 
Like it clicked and I I got back

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into it. 
I remember, I remember skipping 

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school and I was in high school 
and I skipped school with a 

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friend of mine and we went to 
the mall and just so happened to

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be the same day that the 64 came
out. 

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And we didn't even know like it 
was, it was just I, I don't 

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think we really knew it was 
coming out that day. 

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But then we went all over the 
place looking for them because 

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they only had one and we both 
wanted one. 

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And so we went to all these 
places. 

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And so is that a time when like,
I think this is in like the 

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first year of like the 64 coming
out, We're like, you would be 

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buying the game that came out 
ever. 

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It was like, you know, games 
weren't flying in, you know, 

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like they were coming in on like
a trickle. 

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So when this game came out, it 
was like a no brainer kind of 

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thing. 
It was like, oh, this is the 

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game that's out now. 
I can't even remember if 

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anything else came out around 
the same time. 

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But like this game came out and 
I was like, oh, here's the new 

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64 game and we picked it up. 
And my brother and I really dug 

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this game, but it's like as 
little kids as like I think back

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and like playing games. 
I'm like, I don't think I really

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beat a lot of games and 
revisiting them. 

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I don't think I got too far in a
lot of games. 

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But this one I remember like 
actually having, you know, put 

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some significant progress in 
originally in back in 97. 

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So play it now is like I'm going
to beat this game. 

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Did you? 
And I did not. 

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I got close, I got. 
I got 2 levels from full 

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completion, right? 
And I, I was frustrated and I 

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was like, man, I can't, I can't 
beat these levels. 

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And then I, I watched a YouTube 
tutorial like how to beat the 

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levels and I was like, no way am
I am I able to do this? 

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I tried, I put some serious 
effort into it, but like one of 

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them, the last, the last two 
levels are so hard and they're 

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long and like you really have 
to, to, to one of them was just 

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like, it was a vehicle I wasn't 
very good with. 

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And then the other one just, 
there was so much going on with 

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it. 
I don't know if you guys got 

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that far in it, but you had so 
many things to do with boats. 

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You had to change the vehicles a
lot. 

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00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,079
You had to, you had to shoot 
things in rockets and you had to

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get it down quick. 
So no, I, I, I I did not beat 

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it. 
This is probably the closest 

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00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,920
thing trains, planes, and 
automobiles will ever get to a 

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game like you do. 
You do have to juggle a lot of 

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vehicles there and you never 
beat it as a child. 

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No, I don't even know how far I 
got a child is a loose. 

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I was probably like 16. 
That's. 

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A child. 
That's a child. 

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You can't be charged as an 
adult. 

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Usually that's a child. 
Mike, you didn't get very far, 

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00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,520
I'm feeling, from how you were 
talking before recording. 

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No SO this is a game. 
I had never heard of this game 

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and on paper it had let me say 
all the things that make it 

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sound like a game I'm going to 
enjoy and which is mostly 

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vehicles and destroying things 
with vehicles. 

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00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,480
Just in terms of other like 
destroying buildings and having 

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vehicles tend to be too strong 
spots in games for me. 

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However, I really, it felt like 
I was struggling with this. 

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00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,240
So I got, after three days of 
playing, I finally tried to 

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00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,480
figure out where I was game 
progression and I was like one 

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00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:32,640
or two levels away from having 
beaten all of the medium level 

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things. 
And then I went like, OK, if 

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00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,160
this is where I am now, I am not
going to see the end of this 

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00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,240
game. 
Well, by some creative use of 

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safe states, as in like I would 
start a level, I would do the 

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first part well, I would create 
a safe state and then when I if 

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00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,000
I make a mistake, I, I could 
restart halfway through a level.

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After 10 hours and a lot of safe
states, I Nintend did beat blast

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Core. 
How many? 

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Computer. 
And I'm glad I did because I got

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to see some pretty cool levels 
towards the end. 

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So Nate, have you not seen the 
end game and the bonus levels 

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that kind of come up? 
Because it's pretty interesting.

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00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,520
No, I mean, I, I've played, you 
know, some bonus level races 

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kind of come up through the 
thing, you know, you like 

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navigating the map is a pain. 
It's unnecessarily difficult to 

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get through and you don't know 
it doesn't. 

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00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,800
It's not like a linear 
progression, but there are 

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bottlenecks to get from like 
easy to medium. 

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00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,640
It all kind of convenes. 
It's it's like a weird spider 

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web of, of a globe of, of 
things. 

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00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,080
And so they don't really give 
you a key of what the different 

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symbols really mean necessarily.
So it was hard for me to just 

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navigate and find things. 
And then, you know, as far as I 

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got, you know, there were only 
two levels I couldn't beat. 

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And then I don't know what was 
after that. 

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I think it was, I had one 
professor to rescue. 

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I mean, The funny thing to me 
was like the whole thing, I was 

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like, I restarted halfway 
through too, because I, I was 

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00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,880
like, I think I missed the story
in the beginning. 

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00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,680
I, there's something I missed. 
I went through and I'm like, no,

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00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,960
you don't really get a lot of 
stories. 

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So I guess the stories on the 
box cover and that's it. 

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Then there's like professors you
have to rescue or find, they're 

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like hermit somewhere, which I 
really like the exploration part

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of it. 
Like like each map has two 

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functions. 
You're clearing stuff out of the

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way for this truck that has 
nukes right? 

395
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,360
To get to the end thing? 
Yeah, that's the main gameplay 

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00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,400
loop. 
Yeah, so you go through that and

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00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,280
then it's like you hit the level
again to unlock all these other 

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parts and, and, and take all the
buildings down and, and do all 

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the collectibles. 
So I like that second part of 

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every map better. 
And then I'm not really good at 

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00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,080
racing games. 
But the way this was in kind of 

402
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:59,680
a locked angle third person 
view, it kind of felt more like 

403
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,320
RC racers or RC pro am remember 
that kind of game. 

404
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,840
Oh yeah, I, I really like that. 
So doing the races in that kind 

405
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,080
of level was really cool. 
I, I, I really found it a lot 

406
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,800
easier to do the races and, and,
and that, yeah. 

407
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,200
And it was interesting that you 
get to choose the cars for the 

408
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,640
races too, because obviously 
it's like half of them aren't 

409
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,240
viable to like, you know, get a 
gold medal in it. 

410
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,920
You want to race in the 
bulldozer? 

411
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,040
Yeah, exactly. 
I tried it once. 

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I was like, can I do this? 
But no, I can't. 

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00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:38,640
But yeah, no, I the the last two
I got, it was, oh man, I forget 

414
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,960
the name of the level, but it 
was like you had to take the 

415
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,760
motorcycle missile, a bunch of 
things in a shipyard. 

416
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Then you had to like run down, 
get the bulldozer. 

417
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,360
Then you had to start pushing 
all these puzzle piece blocks to

418
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,080
drop into the ground, right? 
And then the pulse piece box 

419
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,080
also, that was kind of a trap 
too, because there would be 

420
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,120
multiples that would fit in 
certain places. 

421
00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:07,040
So if you'd put one down and 
didn't go to get the secret one 

422
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,840
behind somewhere else, you'd be 
in trouble. 

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00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,040
And then after that, it was like
you had to move some boats and 

424
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,200
then you had to move boats back 
and forth. 

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00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,440
It was crazy. 
I was like, this isn't it? 

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00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:21,120
Like when I finally saw it being
done on a YouTube video, I was 

427
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,480
like, no, that's, that's what I 
like threw in the towel. 

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00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,400
And then the other one was just 
the vehicle I was really, really

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00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,880
bad at. 
And the whole level was just 

430
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,680
that vehicle over and over 
again. 

431
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,880
And I just couldn't get the 
mechanic. 

432
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,640
I just, I was really rough at 
that one. 

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00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,400
So those are the two that kind 
of ended it for me. 

434
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,640
Yeah, For those who haven't 
tried the game, the basic 

435
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,000
premise, like he said, is that 
this big rig with nukes on it is

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slowly going in a straight line,
and your goal is to clear a path

437
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,400
for it. 
You have to destroy the 

438
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,760
buildings or move fairies to 
create little bridges. 

439
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,960
Your job is to make sure that 
that thing doesn't crash. 

440
00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:58,000
And I guess when they were 
originally developing it, they 

441
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,520
just at first toyed with just a 
timer and like destroy the 

442
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,880
buildings within a time, kind of
like the game Rampage. 

443
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:07,960
But I think it's genius to make 
it like an actual physical thing

444
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,360
because first of all, this game 
authentically creates these 

445
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,600
really nail biting moments where
you are threading the needle 

446
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,240
between the approaching carrier 
and a building up ahead, and you

447
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,200
need to get in between them so 
you can destroy the building and

448
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,920
then get out of the way before 
the carrier hits you because. 

449
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,400
That ends at two, yeah. 
Yeah, that ends at 2:00. 

450
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,280
You if you hit the truck, you're
it's over and I've done that. 

451
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,800
Or or smack it with a missile. 
I was going to say it it it 

452
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,200
creates a different ending in my
games where I'm like, OK, fine, 

453
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,760
if I'm losing, I'm losing in my 
terms and just plowing into that

454
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,120
sucker. 
Just a quick restart. 

455
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:46,800
Yeah, you're just seeing like, 
no, no, no, you're not hitting 

456
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,360
that building, I'm hitting you. 
I just that feels way too real 

457
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:52,200
in the nuclear apocalypse. 
Mike's like, you know what? 

458
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,480
Let's just end this already. 
Like. 

459
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,480
I kept thinking it's going slow 
enough, why can't somebody just 

460
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,720
jump in the truck? 
Like I remember switching guys 

461
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,840
cuz you can actually get out of 
your vehicles and you're like 

462
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,360
the little guy, which I thought 
was like really cool too. 

463
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,680
And I was like trying to run 
like can I just get in the truck

464
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,080
and stop the truck? 
No, it it doesn't work like that

465
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,400
did. 
That count as a collision to 

466
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,160
blow it up. 
No, yes. 

467
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,480
No, no, the the guy doesn't blow
it up if you touch the carrier 

468
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,040
as the man. 
From the front if if you hit the

469
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,520
front, yeah, yeah, I. 
Thought you might have tried to 

470
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,480
enter the side. 
Yeah, if you enter the side, 

471
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,440
it's it's it don't do anything. 
What would have been hilarious 

472
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,080
if you could just drive the 
carrier and just hit the brakes.

473
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,520
We go. 
That was easy. 

474
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,520
Nobody tried it. 
Now there were some hard ones 

475
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,680
with like cranes and stuff too. 
We had to like drop blocks on 

476
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,760
the cranes. 
And I mean, there, there was one

477
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,120
where it was a train, I think, 
and you had to go on either side

478
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:51,040
of the train tracks blowing up 
the buildings. 

479
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,960
That was like the heart. 
Those it was those two. 

480
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,200
It was like blowing up because 
you had to go on either side of 

481
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,880
the tracks. 
You can't drive over the the 

482
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,480
train tracks. 
So it's like you have to destroy

483
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,280
a bunch on one side of the train
tracks, then hurry, get 

484
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,480
underneath the tongue to go back
and destroy the other side. 

485
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,080
And then you do it three times 
in a row. 

486
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,040
And I was like, this is crazy. 
Yeah. 

487
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,520
So those two levels, I don't 
even know, like the lady in the 

488
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,160
corner that tells you what to 
do. 

489
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,120
Does she have a character name? 
Yeah. 

490
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,720
Like I I didn't understand a lot
of the story. 

491
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,600
Mike, you read the booklet. 
Actually the book, the booklet 

492
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,440
was very light on this. 
It was actually kind of weird to

493
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,920
realize that like so I think at 
the start of the game, like if 

494
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,000
you just don't hit start, it 
auto plays through basically 

495
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,240
giving you all the text in the 
manual as well as giving you 

496
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,960
vehicle info. 
And then a lot of it is actually

497
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,800
just communicated in like the 
start of each level. 

498
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:47,960
We'll just do like scrolling 
text. 

499
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,880
And I think this, this may be 
one of the only games that we've

500
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,120
covered on here that really 
heavily was like in game 

501
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,400
information. 
Yeah, especially to the 

502
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,600
exclusion of the manual. 
But so the other thing I really 

503
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,600
like about the carrier, the 
concept of the carrier is that 

504
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,520
routinely a level will start and
you get this really dynamic 

505
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,080
camera angle of where you're 
starting and off in the distance

506
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,600
you can see way down there at 
the bottom of the Canyon, 

507
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,960
there's the carrier. 
And so it's like, OK, in this 

508
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,200
level, I have to get to Ground 
Zero. 

509
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,160
That's the first challenge is 
navigate your way to the path of

510
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,560
the carrier. 
And then of course, you know, if

511
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,320
you guys like look at the 
screenshot, there's little 

512
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,760
collectibles on the ground. 
So even that far away shot is an

513
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,280
accessible area. 
The game felt really expansive. 

514
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,440
And that's why I completely 
agree with Nate that like the 

515
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,640
the real fun of the game is 
revisiting levels once you've 

516
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,760
already cleared a path. 
Now there's no timer. 

517
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,480
Explore and find all the little 
nooks and crannies and hidden 

518
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,800
vehicles and collectibles and I 
I to me, that's where the game 

519
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,040
really opened up, so I'm glad 
you brought that up. 

520
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,440
So when you go back, there's no 
carrier, there's just Explorer. 

521
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,720
It's. 
Just like, yeah, there's no 

522
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,560
timer. 
I didn't, I didn't know that. 

523
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,840
I thought I do that. 
You, you, you, you mentioned 

524
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,880
that. 
I thought it would just be if I 

525
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,400
went back after the carrier was 
done, it wouldn't end of the 

526
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,720
level, but I'd still have to 
deal with the carrier. 

527
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,640
No, no, you get to go back to 
the town or what's left of it 

528
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,280
with no timer whatsoever. 
Yeah. 

529
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,680
And that's where like the crazy,
like innovative stuff that I'd 

530
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,440
be like. 
I can't believe I just remember 

531
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:35,000
marveling at it being like this 
level of just puzzles in like a 

532
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,720
3D game like this for this era 
was really surprising to me. 

533
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,760
You know, like some of the 
things are like, Dang, it took 

534
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,160
me a while to figure out some of
the odd puzzles. 

535
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,280
You know, they're like 
underwater tunnels and things 

536
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,400
and very, very cool stuff that 
like was just really interesting

537
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,360
to me. 
Yeah, the underwater tunnel is 

538
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,360
where you find the Starsky and 
Hutch vehicle. 

539
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,640
I I do love though, that like at
at certain point, you know, like

540
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,840
one of the collectibles is just 
like like a light on the ground 

541
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,880
that you, you drive over and it 
lights up. 

542
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,920
And it's just funny that like, 
it seems like they're like, oh, 

543
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,240
we just got to throw a bunch in 
and they would just put a grid 

544
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,000
on a field, you know, like they 
just put them all together like 

545
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,680
in one block. 
So you're like, all right. 

546
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,360
They were just like, yeah, we 
have 20 more to do, let's just 

547
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,440
put them all together. 
And it's funny because like 

548
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,720
you're looking, you're trying 
100% the game to unlock some of 

549
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,360
the bonus levels and you're 
like, I'm missing 20. 

550
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,320
Oh, they stuck them all over 
here. 

551
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,720
We're just in the corner all 
together. 

552
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,520
Like that's that was the 
funniest part is like seeing 

553
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,640
like going back in in in trying 
to unlock all the cars and stuff

554
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,920
is, you know, that's why I found
the most fun of the game, you 

555
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,160
know, and all like the secret 
levels with like the races and 

556
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,520
you know, unlocking cars was 
really neat too. 

557
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,280
But yeah, I, I man, Mike, I 
didn't go back. 

558
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,280
I got to go back. 
I thought I was going to have to

559
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,560
go through that stuff again, 
deal with that thing again. 

560
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,840
I was like, that's, that was a 
pain. 

561
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,200
I did not realize that was gone.
See, I went through 100% at 

562
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,240
every level before moving to 
like the next level, you know? 

563
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,320
So I was kind of like burning it
out one at a time. 

564
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,440
Like someone I would just stare 
at me like I've been all over 

565
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,280
this because you can't really 
change the camera angle to you 

566
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,680
can kind of do it. 
I kept hitting the wrong button 

567
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,480
sometimes and you get like a 
weird view. 

568
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,440
But just the exploration part 
was I thought it'd be so easy. 

569
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,000
I'm like, you know, this was so 
early days. 

570
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,520
It's going to be so rudimentary 
compared to like all the stuff 

571
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,240
that we have to do now. 
But it was still, like, pretty 

572
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,600
smart. 
So as a kid, did you discover 

573
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,760
some of the fun, like kind of 
Easter eggy levels? 

574
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,280
I was having, Mike, before we 
recorded. 

575
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,880
There's a Pac-Man level where 
you know these ghost tractors 

576
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,880
are trying to hunt you down 
while you collect all the little

577
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,240
things. 
No, you never tried this. 

578
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,680
It's really neat. 
I never saw so was this on the 

579
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,240
map or is this? 
So if you have time after 

580
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,960
recording, we'll do a quick 
multiplayer session because I 

581
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,760
can load my game and pass you 
the controller digitally to 

582
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,400
Massachusetts. 
So you can just take over from 

583
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,000
wherever I left off. 
It's pretty neat. 

584
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,360
And then there's also this floor
is lava level where you're 

585
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,040
literally in a volcano and you 
have to break these targets 

586
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,640
without touching the lava. 
You mentioned the little race 

587
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,040
levels. 
Nate, did you ever notice in the

588
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,040
bottom right hand corner you 
said it feels like you're racing

589
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,080
an RC car? 
They literally have an RC 

590
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,520
controller flashing on the 
screen. 

591
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,680
Yeah. 
Hilarious. 

592
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,480
That was exactly what they 
wanted it to feel like. 

593
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,880
They wanted you to feel like you
were standing over like a little

594
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,000
diorama or a little RC, you 
know, racetrack. 

595
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,600
And then you also have the one 
where you play pool with the TNT

596
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:38,440
crates, which is kind of wacky. 
And it starts with what, seven 

597
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,400
note progression, Mike? 
The Minsky pick up. 

598
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,160
The Minsky pick up out Season 1 
episode 7 True Believers. 

599
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,520
Go listen to our Kirby episode 
for the CD back story about 

600
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,280
those 7 notes. 
You've heard that before? 

601
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,680
We've all heard that before. 
Yeah, it has a pretty CD back 

602
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,200
story we covered back in season 
1. 

603
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,680
So when it when it popped up in 
here, I really popped off. 

604
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaking of music though, Nate, 
can you talk on the Blast Core 

605
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,440
music because it's cool. 
Oh yeah, I, I love the music. 

606
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,520
And it's like one of those 
things where there's not a lot 

607
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000
of variation in the music. 
You're hearing the same song 

608
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,320
every level pretty much. 
And I so you have to have a good

609
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,000
tune because you're going to be 
listening to it. 

610
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,240
It's going to drive you insane. 
So if it's bad, you're going to,

611
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,360
you're going to be like, this is
rough. 

612
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,320
But it was just like a little 
fun poppy thing. 

613
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,480
And I had like vocals in it. 
Like I think it was like time to

614
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,960
get moving. 
Time to get moving. 

615
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,280
Yeah, I loved it. 
I was like, yeah, playing it, 

616
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,520
jamming out. 
No, it was really good. 

617
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,520
I I remember it was something 
that I noticed, you know, like a

618
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,880
lot of times, like you'll play 
the games, you not really notice

619
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,800
the music or whatever. 
They don't stand out. 

620
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,120
This specifically I was like, oh
man, I I like this tune. 

621
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,960
Maybe I do like hear it, you 
know, I play. 

622
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Time to get moving. 
Yeah. 

623
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,520
But yeah, that was like, I think
the in my head, I was like, oh, 

624
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,000
that's the character in the 
corner of the screen on the TV 

625
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,240
saying that. 
But I I guess someone I'm 

626
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,280
putting here, I'm like, I guess 
it doesn't have to be her. 

627
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,240
It's just part of the song. 
But I. 

628
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,480
Think it is a remix of her voice
though. 

629
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Yeah. 
Oh, is it? 

630
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,480
Yeah, I think it's just her 
voice because she will say time 

631
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,720
to get moving at the start of 
levels. 

632
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,320
And I think they just pitched it
up to make the dance remix. 

633
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,560
It is so catchy, though. 
I love it. 

634
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,280
It's kind of jug band style. 
You know, you got banjos and 

635
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,160
accordions and Jews harps and 
hey, don't evoke my tax exempt 

636
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,920
status, OK Jews harp is an 
actual instrument in this game. 

637
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,080
Look it up, everybody. 
But like, it's very like kind of

638
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,560
Southern twangy and it's so. 
It's so good. 

639
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,880
I love. 
You know you call that a mouth 

640
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,840
harp and avoid problems, right? 
I mean, I guess you could cut 

641
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:49,320
this part out if we have to, but
it weird Mike Oh, I can't think 

642
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,320
I made it weird Mike music like 
it. 

643
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,400
You also like it. 
Honestly, I. 

644
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,040
For me then I didn't notice the 
music so much, but that also I'm

645
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,600
now wondering if like if I was 
just like exploring stuff at 

646
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,000
leisure and had music going with
it. 

647
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,960
That's very different from me 
being increasingly frustrated. 

648
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Oh yeah, like those those clear 
the way parts are so frustrating

649
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,600
and like anxiety inducing. 
So like going back at like a 

650
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,600
leisurely pace is like that's 
why I fell in love with the 

651
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,680
game. 
But yeah, like, you know, there 

652
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,680
would be some levels that I know
I played for like an hour just 

653
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,120
looking for stuff, you know, and
really hear the music. 

654
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,240
And, and, and look at the game 
like I love this era of Nintendo

655
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,560
64 graphics where everything is 
kind of shiny and they're 

656
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,280
showing off that they can do 
reflections for the first time. 

657
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,680
And everything felt like this, 
like micro machine toy I really 

658
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,040
wanted to play with the draw 
distance, really impressive. 

659
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,360
You can see across the whole 
level, there's no fog. 

660
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,040
The verticality, when you get 
into some of the flying 

661
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,240
vehicles, you go really high up 
there to the point that like 

662
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,680
you're seeing clouds pass you 
and the wind is hissing by. 

663
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,440
And it's like, this is this is 
really immersive. 

664
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,480
I don't know. 
But I also kind of think that 

665
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,480
some people would say the game 
hasn't aged well because like 

666
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,440
the little Sprite of the man, 
when you get out of the vehicle,

667
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,120
he's got no expressions. 
He's just like 8 polygons. 

668
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Yeah, I don't know. 
It's it's a bit rough, but like 

669
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,560
I like at the time too, I think 
this was a big flex, you know, 

670
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,360
like a lot of like they're like 
we're doing 3D now, baby. 

671
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,800
Looking back at it, you know, 
you're like, oh, everything is 

672
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,760
so low Poly, you know, that it's
kind of hilarious. 

673
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,239
But yeah, I mean, I think it's 
still like for the time it was 

674
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,920
like blowing minds. 
But I mean, The funny thing to 

675
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,880
me is a lot of the games I go 
back and play and it's like the 

676
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,840
mechanics don't feel good. 
This the the IT. 

677
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,040
It looked kind of dated, but the
mechanics were still great. 

678
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,560
Yeah, especially when they work.
Yeah. 

679
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,600
When they don't, that's quite 
frustrating. 

680
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,960
The mechanics on most of the 
vehicles. 

681
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,640
Yeah, well, I before I get away 
from it, I have one little bit 

682
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,960
of Easter egg about the music. 
You might recognize the tunes. 

683
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,600
It's either pronounced. 
How would you guys pronounce 

684
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:15,320
this SKERIES? 
Is that scaries or scurries? 

685
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,760
Skrillex. 
Skrillex so there's a TuneIn 

686
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,320
blast core that is a note for 
note remix from Donkey Kong 

687
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,800
land. 
That's because Graham Norgate 

688
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,160
worked on both games, so we'll 
put a link to the audio 

689
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,520
comparison in the show notes Bin
wants to check it out. 

690
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,480
I think this game's best levels 
are actually in its end game and

691
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,600
kind of post game content 
because spoilers for blast core.

692
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,320
But once you once you've clear a
path for the carrier and all the

693
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,400
main game levels are done, now, 
like Nate said, you need to find

694
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,200
these six scientists who are 
hiding in the levels you've 

695
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,000
already visited. 
And I never found a single one 

696
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,280
before it was time to look for 
them. 

697
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,640
Like, they're really well 
hidden. 

698
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,840
And then they control the 
detonation. 

699
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,200
And you go, OK, the detonation 
has happened safely, game over. 

700
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,600
But then the game throws you 
this crazy curveball. 

701
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,000
We're now out of nowhere. 
A space shuttle needs to land. 

702
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,520
And so you need to destroy a 
city to create a runway for the 

703
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,720
space shuttle. 
But if you don't, the space 

704
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:19,160
shuttle just crashes into the 
ocean and you get this funny 

705
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,760
message, ditching in the sea. 
And then I'm like, isn't that 

706
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,080
better than destroying a whole 
city? 

707
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,000
If it could crash in the water, 
why would you destroy a whole 

708
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,560
city? 
Is it just me? 

709
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,320
No. 
No, it makes a lot of sense. 

710
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,640
I love it. 
But if you do clear a runway for

711
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,120
the emergency landing at the 
space shuttle, you're treated to

712
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,640
a cutscene of a different space 
shuttle, I guess going off into 

713
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,480
space. 
And then you get to access the 

714
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,520
moon. 
And the moon is an anti gravity 

715
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,400
level where for the first time 
you can freely control the 

716
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,840
camera in full 360° movement. 
It's not anti gravity. 

717
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,840
It is low gravity. 
Good point. 

718
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,360
Yeah, but Mike, you got to play 
this one. 

719
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,160
Did you like the moon level? 
It's 4 shadows points. 

720
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,960
I think it may be the only time 
that I found dump truck to be 

721
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,640
mostly playable. 
It is fascinating in that I want

722
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,480
to know how this is coded, but 
like because you can get 

723
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,040
serious, it's not quite airtime 
on the moon, I guess on the 

724
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,880
moon, serious time off the 
ground, and if you start turning

725
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:26,320
after you've become space born, 
you can turn. 

726
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:31,040
I made AU turn off of the 
ground, which is so far from how

727
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,960
any physics should ever work 
right that I actually don't know

728
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,640
how this is coded to allow that.
Yeah, it's pretty wild, but kind

729
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,080
of fun. 
I don't know, maybe Nate can try

730
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,680
it after. 
It's cool. 

731
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,240
Yeah, it's it's, it's super, 
super dope. 

732
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,520
And Mike mentioned that he wants
to dump all over the dump truck.

733
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,440
So we're going to do a segment 
of our Rankin Retro where we are

734
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,160
going to create a tier list for 
the Blast core vehicles. 

735
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,960
Because a big part of the 
enjoyment of this game is which 

736
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,280
vehicle you're controlling it at
any given level. 

737
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,000
So we're gonna have three main 
tiers here, top of the line, 

738
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,560
middle of the pack or lemons for
the worst vehicles. 

739
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,200
And then when we are done, we 
will declare which one is the 

740
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,640
best core and which one is the 
blast corpse. 

741
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,640
So you guys can see my tier 
list. 

742
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,920
Yes, yes, yes. 
OK, so let's start off with Ram 

743
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,360
Dozer, the Bulldozer if I can 
start first. 

744
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,120
To me, this is clearly a middle 
of the pack selection because it

745
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,200
was easy to control, very 
straightforward. 

746
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,480
You just ram through buildings. 
I think what keeps it from being

747
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,000
top of the line for me is all 
those puzzles where you have to 

748
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,040
push the TNT crates and you have
to get them to where you're 

749
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,040
going before the TNT crate blows
up. 

750
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,320
Those are annoying. 
So didn't love it. 

751
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,320
Didn't hate it. 
Ramdozer, middle of the pack in 

752
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,480
my book. 
What do you guys think? 

753
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,800
I mean really, I feel like your 
problem there is crates. 

754
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,520
OK, fair. 
I'm not sure I would hold that. 

755
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,760
I'm not sure what it was. 
Against Ramdozer. 

756
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,720
Yeah. 
So are you fighting for top of 

757
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:00,440
the line? 
I'm almost tempted. 

758
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,440
Like it it. 
It was one that I enjoyed until 

759
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,600
I saw those boxes. 
Yeah. 

760
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,160
OK. 
So Nate, you'll be the decider. 

761
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,480
Where are you putting Ram Dozer?
You know what? 

762
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,200
I, I we're talking about the 
entire fleet, right? 

763
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,200
Yeah, we're gonna compare them 
all to each other. 

764
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,800
You know, I feel ram dozers like
a a little higher up than some 

765
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,160
of the other vehicles, you know,
like I like I thought it it 

766
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,200
wasn't too slow. 
The crates physics were a bit 

767
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,960
rough, but I did like the Ram 
dozer. 

768
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:42,200
There was not a whole lot to it,
but it was a serviceable. 

769
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,160
It was a serviceable vehicle. 
Okay so in my mind though you 

770
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,040
would never call a serviceable 
vehicle a top of the line 

771
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,080
vehicle. 
It would be a middle of the pack

772
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,240
vehicle. 
Yeah, I guess there's something 

773
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:55,440
in that, but I I'm trying to 
think of things that I would put

774
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,840
above it and I still feel, you 
know what? 

775
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,840
All right. 
Middle of the pack. 

776
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,240
Yeah, Yeah, middle of the pack. 
It's, it's very, it's very, but 

777
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:05,880
it's, it's like the vehicle you 
get first, right? 

778
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,400
Yeah, I think so. 
So it it definitely is like the 

779
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,000
one you get accustomed the the 
controls are the most intuitive.

780
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,800
There's no real secret mechanic 
to it, you know, It's smooth. 

781
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,880
If it was slower, I'd, I would 
hate it, but it was a good 

782
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,640
speed, you know? 
Yeah, it was a fun one. 

783
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,720
I think it's like a good meat 
and potatoes starting point. 

784
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,520
Yeah, so ballista, the Mistle 
toting motorcycle. 

785
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,480
I'm also going to make a case 
from middle of the pack, the 

786
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,360
missiles feels really good to 
just pepper a building with 

787
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,800
missiles and it's blowing up in 
all different directions. 

788
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,440
But I just feel like the 
Ballista motorcycle kind of 

789
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,800
handles really finicky. 
It kind of bounces off things 

790
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,800
really easily. 
And it had some of my most 

791
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,760
frustrating moments trying to 
100% the game because they love 

792
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,640
to put like, like they 
mentioned, there's like this 

793
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,320
shipyard. 
And so if you want to blow up 

794
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,080
all the buildings, technically 
the big ship counts, but no 

795
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,960
vehicle can touch it. 
It's out in the water. 

796
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,520
So you have to drive up to the 
shore and shoot your missiles at

797
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,000
it, but you can't free aim. 
So you know, it's that was kind 

798
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,360
of frustrating. 
Mike, what do you think about 

799
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,320
Ballista? 
I was going to go lemon at 

800
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,040
highest. 
I hated that thing. 

801
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,800
You hated that thing. 
I agree. 

802
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,600
OK, OK, no love for the 
ballista. 

803
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,240
Cuz all it has is those missiles
and those missiles are just 

804
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,560
frustrating. 
The fact that they alternate 

805
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,720
which side you fire from is 
incredibly annoying. 

806
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,800
Bounces around a lot. 
Yeah, no, I'm not going to. 

807
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,880
I'm not going to make a I'm not 
going to die on the hill for 

808
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,120
that thing. 
It's it's not the. 

809
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,760
Greatest and I agree it was, it 
was not good. 

810
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,040
Like you would hit something 
tiny and it would stop you in 

811
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,040
your tracks. 
You really had to spend a lot of

812
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,600
time, the positioning of the 
ballista to get the Rockets to 

813
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,560
hit the right places. 
And it would be like minuscule, 

814
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,360
you know, like you'd be a small 
pitch up or down and it would 

815
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,880
change where it's going. 
So like even restarting levels 

816
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,120
over and over again with the 
ballista to try and get it to 

817
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,320
hit the target that I wanted to,
I'm like, I'm in the same place 

818
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,720
I was before, you know, So it 
was just frustrating to use 

819
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,280
Every time I had to use it, I'd 
be like. 

820
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,000
It'd almost be better if the 
missiles locked onto things and 

821
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,240
you could just focus on driving 
the vehicle and not having to 

822
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:18,920
aim at manual for. 
Sure. 

823
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,720
Or if you knew if it had a 
target, anything of this is 

824
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:23,800
where it's gonna hit. 
Yeah, Crosshair. 

825
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,760
It's frustrating too, like 
you're shooting over a 

826
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,360
destroyable target, right? 
Going over it for no reason. 

827
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,320
If it if it locked in a little 
bit, yeah, it would be fine. 

828
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,800
You know, if it was getting 
close to a target that could be 

829
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,040
destroyed, well, that'd be 
great. 

830
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,160
Because again, the more 
frustrating part of it is using 

831
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,800
it in the time trial stuff in 
the open world. 

832
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,600
Like the ballista. 
You're really only using it to 

833
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,760
like unlock secret areas or 
blowing up something to get to 

834
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,040
something else. 
Like you're rarely choosing the 

835
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,800
ballista to like blow up 
buildings. 

836
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,800
You know, there's other vehicles
that do it better. 

837
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,880
So in the, in the levels where 
you have to use it and, and 

838
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,040
you're stuck for time, right? 
Because that's a big thing. 

839
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:11,320
It's it's just an inefficient, 
hard to use vehicle for that. 

840
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Yeah, you just reminded me that 
one of the secret levels you 

841
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,280
unlock, because there's these 
tiny little wooden doors and 

842
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,240
they're they don't appear 
anywhere else in the game. 

843
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,560
And you can see one kind of down
in this ditch. 

844
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,520
And so you have to position the 
ballista up above the ditch and 

845
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,120
shoot your missile so it hits 
the door. 

846
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,080
It's wild and really annoying, 
but felt like a cool, like I 

847
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,640
felt proud of myself for 
figuring that out. 

848
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,480
So the backlash dump truck 
apparently caused over 5 months 

849
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,200
of arguments because the lead 
developer was adamant that once 

850
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,600
you get the hang of the dump 
truck, it's worth it. 

851
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,600
And all the other devs were 
like, this is not fun. 

852
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,800
And he stuck to his guns. 
Nate, where you put in the 

853
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:53,000
backlash dump truck last corpse.
Oh, you hate it? 

854
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,280
I. 
Hated the dump truck and I and 

855
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,080
I, I want to know what that lead
developer ended up, you know, 

856
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,200
where what games did he go on to
make? 

857
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,560
Because I'm sure I just, I'm 
sure like it. 

858
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,040
It seemed cool, but the, the, 
the difficult and I tried, I 

859
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,760
put, I put work into it to, to 
get this to, to, you know, 

860
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,240
because you really need to use 
it in like some of the end game 

861
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,920
stuff. 
And I just couldn't get the tail

862
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:17,920
whip. 
I mean, that's the whole thing 

863
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,280
is like the whole mechanic is 
you, you hit the brakes and you 

864
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,440
kind of drift out and tail whip 
and, and then once you hit it 

865
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,440
right, you're destroying stuff 
like left and right. 

866
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,760
And there's a tutorial level, 
but like, man, I could not get 

867
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,600
it down. 
I, I just couldn't. 

868
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,280
And then I, you know, watched a 
video of a guy being like, look,

869
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,080
if you can't get it down, just 
drive into something at an angle

870
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,680
and then you kind of bounce off 
the wall and it will start to 

871
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,520
destroy stuff. 
And so I started doing that and 

872
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,360
I was like, Oh, this is easier, 
but I'm not doing it as 

873
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,680
intended, you know? 
So no, I, I hated this. 

874
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,360
This was the bane of the game 
for me. 

875
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,520
And it's the most common 
vehicle. 

876
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,280
It's like it gets like 20 
levels. 

877
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,920
It's crazy. 
It's crazy. 

878
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,040
And, and I also discovered 
through a YouTube watch because 

879
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,440
I got stuck on that damn train 
level you're talking about. 

880
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,880
And, and the train level is 
especially infuriating because 

881
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,360
like he said, you have to 
destroy a building. 

882
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,280
You have to destroy a train yard
essentially. 

883
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,080
So imagine a train yard, right? 
The train goes into a building, 

884
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,800
but you have to destroy the left
side of the building and the 

885
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,080
right side of the building 
independent of each other. 

886
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,440
And your your dump truck can 
destroy an entire building, 

887
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,760
cannot cross the train tracks. 
Don't ask me why. 

888
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,840
Don't ask me why those train 
tracks have some kind of 

889
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,040
invisible wall. 
But it's just everything I hated

890
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,800
about the dump truck. 
And so then I also discovered, 

891
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,160
yeah, you just you just nudge 
the corner of a building with 

892
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,080
the front of your car. 
The dump truck disintegrates it.

893
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,880
But now that's bad for theming. 
I'm not even having fun. 

894
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,920
It feels stupid. 
Yeah, that feels like a glitch. 

895
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,640
You know that you're exploiting 
something that like they didn't 

896
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,200
intend for. 
Right. 

897
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,360
Yeah. 
I was doing the similar sort of 

898
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,840
thing on stuff where I had to 
use that was having been told 

899
00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:00,000
that basically if you hit a, if 
you hit something with where all

900
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,920
wheels are not on the ground, it
will just treat that as destroy 

901
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,240
this 100% on contact. 
Yeah. 

902
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,520
And so I was relying on that 
because I could not get that to 

903
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,840
control in any way. 
And one of the most frustrating 

904
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,360
things about this is because, I 
mean, this is meant to be like 

905
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,320
this giant heavy dump truck. 
Yeah. 

906
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,520
And I would hit like a 
corrugated fence in front of a 

907
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,680
building and stop. 
And I'm just like, that vehicle 

908
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,560
may most typify. 
There's one other thing that 

909
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,800
will come up on this, but that 
just as a vehicle on its own 

910
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,480
that may most typify like this 
vehicle doesn't feel like it has

911
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,440
any sense of weight to it. 
It stops on things that it 

912
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,680
should destroy. 
And it's this weird thing where 

913
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,360
it's like, oh, if it hits with 
the back, it will destroy a 

914
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,560
whole building. 
But if it hits with the front, 

915
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,840
it does no damage and cut comes 
to a stop. 

916
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,520
If even if it's a fence, I'm 
like this should feel more 

917
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,200
consistent. 
Like it would be one thing if 

918
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,160
it's like it will damage, 
destroy all the small stuff and 

919
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,920
it's just the big stuff that is 
harder and you need to be more 

920
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,320
efficient at it. 
But I'm like this does not 

921
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,000
really makes sense and it 
handles atrociously. 

922
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,040
Yeah. 
And it's slow, so it's hard to 

923
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,120
get the speed up to do the tail 
whip in most places because you 

924
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,520
have to do it a lot. 
And if you go on to like, grass,

925
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,680
it just drops a speed that can't
do any damage. 

926
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,560
And it's like I feel like it 
should be able to handle that. 

927
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,800
Yeah, you just plowed through a 
football stadium, but like, 

928
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,240
grass. 
But the grass part, for some 

929
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:37,680
reason, that's the resistance. 
And yeah, I I'm, I'm with you 

930
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,000
guys. 
I was gonna say like, you know, 

931
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,240
let's decide Blast Corps last. 
So let's leave that at the 

932
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:44,040
bottom tier and see if anything 
else, you know, competes with 

933
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,520
it. 
Moving on to Skyfall, the steel 

934
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,800
bottom buggy. 
I'm gonna I'm gonna sit make a 

935
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,080
suggestion from middle of the 
pack. 

936
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,120
This is the little buggy where 
you have to jump off of ramps 

937
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,800
and land on top of targets 
because the bottom of the 

938
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,440
vehicle has a big steel shield 
on it. 

939
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,440
I never really was infuriated by
it. 

940
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,000
I think it's a boost that you 
used to get big air that runs 

941
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,160
out way too fast. 
Like you have like a half a 

942
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,920
second of boost and I wish you 
could get I wish, I wish for 

943
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,040
this vehicle. 
The sense of speed felt a little

944
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,040
better. 
So don't love it, don't hate it.

945
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,800
Middle of the pack mate. 
What do you think, Skyfall? 

946
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,320
Yeah, this is where it was 
pretty easy to figure out the 

947
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,600
mechanics of it. 
And it was funny because the, 

948
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,400
you know, it needs some kind of 
jump, like some kind of ravine 

949
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,200
to like, actually be useful. 
So it's very funny to see how 

950
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,600
like shoehorned in some of the 
setups were for it. 

951
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,080
You know, like you, you could 
tell what they wanted you to use

952
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,160
it because the thing was the the
there was like a ravine there or

953
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,600
something that you could use for
a jump. 

954
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,080
So it was like, all right, I 
know they want me to use this 

955
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:49,840
vehicle to do this thing. 
So it was pretty easy to use, 

956
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,360
but like, you know, as far as 
middle of the pack, it's like, I

957
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,560
think I like the bulldozer a 
little better between the two. 

958
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,480
That's why you you, that's why I
kept going back and forth is 

959
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,640
because, but I mean, they could 
be on the same path. 

960
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:09,480
But as far as it's very middle 
of the pack, for me, it was 

961
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,880
fine, you know, but I never 
really chose it over anything 

962
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,040
else. 
You know, like I, I felt it, it 

963
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,000
didn't really have a lot of 
usability outside of those 

964
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,360
specific scenarios where it 
really wanted you to, the game 

965
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,720
wanted you to use that vehicle. 
Yeah, I, I, you know what? 

966
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:27,360
I think retroactively, you're 
right. 

967
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,320
Because like when I would play 
the bulldozer, I'd be like, OK, 

968
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,280
sweet bulldozer, I know what to 
do with this. 

969
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,880
I know it's reliable. 
It's gonna get me to the end. 

970
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,680
And so I did enjoy it more than 
Skyfall. 

971
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,240
So, Mike, you OK with that? 
Retroactively moving Ram Dozer 

972
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,400
up to the top of the line and 
putting Skyfall in the middle. 

973
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,520
I mean, I was proactively OK 
with putting it at the top of 

974
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,520
the line. 
So yeah, I'm good. 

975
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,520
OK. 
But yeah, Skyfall, at least the 

976
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,640
boost was good for like, I'm 
stuck on something. 

977
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,920
I'm just gonna keep hammering 
this boost until this building's

978
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,720
gone. 
Yeah, it's you talking to Nate 

979
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:59,400
about how like, the game would 
very obviously set you up to do 

980
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,200
the jump. 
Did you guys ever watch Chips 

981
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,680
the show? 
Chips the motorcycle cops show 

982
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,400
for? 
Sure. 

983
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,200
There would always be that point
where like for some reason, 

984
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,480
they'd be towing a ramp so they 
could jump off of it. 

985
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,120
And it's like that's this very 
chips coded the ramps for 

986
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,000
Skyfall. 
OK, so if I want to start with 

987
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,240
this one, I freaking hate 
Sidewinder. 

988
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:25,720
No, sorry, Sideswipe, Sideswipe.
Sideswipe is the articulated arm

989
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:28,240
vehicle where it's whole thing 
is that at the touch of a 

990
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:31,760
button, these two little kind of
Rams or fists will go off the 

991
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,400
left and right side. 
But that's only useful in a very

992
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,080
specific situation where you're 
going down like an alleyway and 

993
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,480
there's buildings on each side 
of you. 

994
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,960
But for some reason the ability 
to punch out is locked to a 

995
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,400
collectible ammunition you need 
to collect your punches. 

996
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,880
Almost like they were. 
Why did they do that and am I 

997
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,520
alone here? 
That was annoying. 

998
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,320
I. 
Figured that they're like 

999
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,680
pneumatic or something. 
OK, so why does that have to be 

1000
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,320
a collectible? 
Because you'd need more air to 

1001
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,320
do it. 
Well, don't you need more gas to

1002
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,200
drive your car? 
I don't know. 

1003
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,640
Not give them ideas. 
OK, so you like your sideswipe? 

1004
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,240
I mean I'm still good with lemon
cuz I think the thing that 

1005
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,040
bothered me was when I realized 
that if I had stuff on both 

1006
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,960
sides but I was slightly too far
to one side versus the other, it

1007
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,520
would only hit the close side. 
But it was most effective at 

1008
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,960
like the maximum range for 
reasons that don't fully make 

1009
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,560
sense to me. 
If it just punched through both 

1010
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,320
sides every time I'd be a lot 
more forgiving. 

1011
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,360
Nate, what are you thinking? 
What sides away? 

1012
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,880
Yeah, I mean, I thought Skyfall 
was one of the most like 

1013
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,640
shoehorned in like ability 
vehicles until like sideswipe. 

1014
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,960
I was like, this is silly and 
and you know, everything I said 

1015
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,960
about it, you know, I agree with
it was so specific use case. 

1016
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,320
And then yeah, like even the 
mechanic of it was kind of silly

1017
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,880
where I'd be right up on a 
building hammering it and it 

1018
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,200
wouldn't be blowing the building
out. 

1019
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,040
So it's like you had to have a 
perfect, if you were too close, 

1020
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,760
it wasn't as effective. 
You kind of had to be very much 

1021
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,960
in between two buildings to 
really get it done. 

1022
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,280
And, and rarely, you know, did 
that work? 

1023
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,000
But yeah, and it's just, it just
seems so silly to me. 

1024
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,320
I don't think I, I don't think I
ever even use this on a level 

1025
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,040
where I didn't have to, you 
know, cuz like certain levels, 

1026
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,720
like you can grab different cars
and do different things. 

1027
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,480
You know, if it didn't make me 
use it, I wasn't using it cuz it

1028
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,040
just it, it was silly. 
And and it it was less 

1029
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,440
frustrating than back slash 
backlash backlash. 

1030
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,520
Backlash. 
It was less frustrating than 

1031
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,040
backlash. 
Back brace. 

1032
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,280
Easier, I mean, it was as 
frustrating as the motorcycle. 

1033
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,120
So yeah, Lemon is is good for 
me. 

1034
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,920
All right, so now we're getting 
to what I think are the good 

1035
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,680
ones here. 
Thunderfist. 

1036
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,720
I I like Thunderfist. 
It's the first mech we're 

1037
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,240
talking about. 
It has this attack where it 

1038
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:02,160
rolls forward and then if it 
hit, hit something. 

1039
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,640
It does like a show where you 
can like dragon punch up to the 

1040
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,800
sky and just clears out a whole 
skyscraper at once. 

1041
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,280
I'm gonna actually argue the 
middle of the pack because one 

1042
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,960
thing that frustrates me about 
it is that you can't roll 

1043
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,200
indefinitely until you hit a 
target. 

1044
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,240
Like, I wish I could hold down 
the button and Thunderfist would

1045
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,760
just keep rolling until it finds
a building. 

1046
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Imagine if you played Sonic the 
Hedgehog and he stood up every 

1047
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,360
five feet every time he was 
rolling and you had to get down 

1048
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,200
and roll again. 
That would drive you insane. 

1049
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,600
It it's the one thing that kind 
of ruined Thunderfist for me. 

1050
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,440
Mike, what do you think about 
Thunderfist placement? 

1051
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,640
I I'm kind of. 
This or possibly top of the 

1052
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,680
line, I think I feel good. 
The Mex I feel like I didn't 

1053
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,680
have quite as much play time 
with and frankly, I don't 

1054
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,040
remember them as 3. 
And so we'll resolve that 

1055
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,800
hopefully in a moment. 
And so like I, I think I don't 

1056
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,760
have, I definitely don't have 
problems with it. 

1057
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,000
I think I was mostly good with 
this one. 

1058
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,440
Well, so you're good with it 
being middle of the pack or do 

1059
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,520
you want to move it to the top 
of the? 

1060
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,880
Line I'm I'm think I'm kind of 
just fine with either of those. 

1061
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,000
OK, so let 2. 
We'll let Nate decide. 

1062
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,880
Well, I, you know, I really 
liked Under Fist for for me, 

1063
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,280
like and I don't know if Thunder
Fist is on the box cover because

1064
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:24,800
I think it was the other, but 
for me, this was one of the more

1065
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,200
fun vehicles to play. 
I think my favorite Mac maybe, 

1066
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,600
but I would put this at best 
core because I just had a great 

1067
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,040
time with it. 
The rolling yeah, it took me a 

1068
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,760
while to figure out like the 
timing of like he's not going to

1069
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,440
be able to roll forever. 
So you have to get the roll down

1070
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,040
to get the uppercut done, you 
know, to hit the building 

1071
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,400
perfect. 
So it it didn't take me too long

1072
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,960
to figure it out and it was just
a very satisfying when you were 

1073
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,800
able to like hit it, it was 
pretty satisfying. 

1074
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,200
So yeah, I mean, I I like this 
better than the gymnastics one 

1075
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:04,440
because I similar, you know, I 
think the I could be wrong, but 

1076
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,400
I feel like the mechanics were 
kind of similar, but like the 

1077
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,040
animations were different, you 
know? 

1078
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,080
Yeah, the. 
So this might be the one, you 

1079
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,680
might not have gotten to this 
one. 

1080
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,240
It might be exclusively in the 
hard levels. 

1081
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,320
Little cyclone or Cyclone, 
excuse me, is another Mac. 

1082
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,360
And like Nate said, it rolls 
forward. 

1083
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,160
But this one, he's like 
somersaulting. 

1084
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,880
And what's interesting about 
this one is that when he hits a 

1085
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,000
building, he will go into the 
next move of his gymnastics 

1086
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,480
routine. 
So first one's a cartwheel, then

1087
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,960
it's a flip, then it's like a 
tuck like, you know, and so you 

1088
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,680
can kind of combo and keep 
moving, which is to me, what I 

1089
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:49,240
was missing with Thunderfist. 
So I think Cyclone might be top 

1090
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,040
of the line. 
But Mike, you don't remember 

1091
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,520
playing this one, right? 
No, and after that description I

1092
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,000
definitely don't. 
OK, so let's let's kind of leave

1093
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,880
them both at top of the line for
now and move on to the last 

1094
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,440
mech, which is J Bond. 
I put Cyclone on top of the 

1095
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,320
line. 
It was fun, but I, it was very 

1096
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,160
hard for me to like hit all 
those combos to like get a full 

1097
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,120
complete like, you know. 
Get the gold. 

1098
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:13,640
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 
Stick the landing. 

1099
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,520
Tell me you love J Bomb the 
Flying. 

1100
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:17,760
One J Bomb was sick. 
Yeah. 

1101
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,360
What's funny is I don't know, I 
don't remember in the game if 

1102
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,640
they ever call it J Bomb. 
I remember like looking it up, 

1103
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,840
somebody like J Bomb and I'm 
like, why is it called J Bomb? 

1104
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:31,040
But I would put it at best core 
as well, because I really liked 

1105
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,920
the verticality. 
Like it's the first thing that 

1106
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,400
you do that you all sudden like 
you're seeing a bunch of 

1107
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,120
different parts of the level 
just flying over everything and 

1108
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,920
dropping down that it was just 
very satisfying. 

1109
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,560
As far as like destroying stuff,
I was like, yes. 

1110
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,320
Yeah, and also really helpful in
the second-half of the game 

1111
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,520
where you're looking for secrets
because you you take to the sky 

1112
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,680
and the camera will show you a, 
hey, look off in the distance. 

1113
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,600
There's like the Easter Island 
statues and you're like, OK, and

1114
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,880
then you fly off and now you're 
in this whole other area that 

1115
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,040
you never would have found as 
the stupid dump truck. 

1116
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:08,600
So yeah, I just, I love 
everything about J Bomb. 

1117
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,760
Mike, you with us on this one? 
The flying mech is cool. 

1118
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,160
Yeah, my, I think since the way 
you destroyed that is by just 

1119
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,000
dropping down on stuff. 
It's also because shadows exist.

1120
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,440
It also felt like the only one 
that I really had an idea of 

1121
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,600
what it was actually going to do
in a way that possibly nothing 

1122
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,640
else other than the bulldozer 
was the case of. 

1123
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,400
Like where is this actually 
going to hit stuff? 

1124
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,920
Yeah, I, I, I did. 
There was only one, one time I 

1125
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,520
had trouble with J Bomb and it 
was like destroying a ship 

1126
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,320
because you can't the ship is in
the water and J Bomb will hover 

1127
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,160
over the water. 
And so I had to like line it up 

1128
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,160
or I had to drop J bomb right on
the edge of the canal or the 

1129
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,840
ship was to trigger the ship 
blowing up. 

1130
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,800
So that was a bit frustrating 
doing that over and over again. 

1131
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,280
But everything else I I really 
liked about J Bomb. 

1132
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,520
Same. 
So do we want to rank the non 

1133
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,320
destructive vehicles or you want
to go on to who gets the best 

1134
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,600
core? 
I'm good doing the other ones 

1135
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,600
because I feel like I would like
to complain about parts of other

1136
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:09,840
vehicles. 
But do it. 

1137
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,640
So let's talk about just. 
I lumped all the cars together, 

1138
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,440
the race cars, the van, A-Team, 
A-Team van, they. 

1139
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,440
Have different speeds. 
They do have different speeds 

1140
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,280
and the A-Team van is the only 
one that can go off road without

1141
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,720
losing much speed. 
So it's like the clear favorite.

1142
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,400
I have notes on it, I was just 
saying the cars middle. 

1143
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,560
They're fun, they're responsive,
but only the really the van 

1144
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,080
handles uniquely so I'd say 
middle of the pack for the cars.

1145
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,280
Also, they don't destroy things,
right? 

1146
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,280
They don't destroy. 
Things. 

1147
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,600
That's kind of like the thing 
here. 

1148
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,720
I mean you can hit stuff with 
the car, it will do a minimal 

1149
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,240
amount of damage but it's not 
very effective so net you cool 

1150
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,600
with the cars being middle of 
the pack. 

1151
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,840
You know what I think honestly, 
for me, the cars are what like 

1152
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:59,080
brought into loving the game. 
Like I just love the the feel of

1153
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,760
driving the car. 
You know, you can drift it out 

1154
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,920
on the side. 
The race parts were great with 

1155
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,240
the cars. 
I I love the cars. 

1156
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,080
That's what really sold me on 
the game is like, and, and all 

1157
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,320
the cars felt different in 
driving them too, you know, like

1158
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,520
I'm trying to remember which car
I like the best. 

1159
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,680
It might be the Starsky and 
Hutch car, because I don't know,

1160
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,080
I don't think it was the fastest
car, but it just felt fun. 

1161
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,720
It was just a fun thing to drive
around in, you know? 

1162
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,360
So yeah, I liked him a lot. 
And that the horns are a neat 

1163
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,800
little added touch, you know, 
turning on your turn, on your 

1164
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,160
siren as the police car. 
Like come on, that's fun. 

1165
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,920
Yeah, I, I wanted to play a 
whole game of like, just more 

1166
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,720
cars, you know, like different, 
like kind of weird tracks to 

1167
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,280
drive around in. 
And like, I was looking for like

1168
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,040
jumps for the cars and, and 
things like that, 'cause there 

1169
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,800
are, you know, like certain 
things you hit and you get like 

1170
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,240
some air. 
And some of the races were 

1171
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,320
pretty silly. 
You know, you're kind of driving

1172
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,680
all over the place. 
Yeah. 

1173
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,760
I was like, man, they should 
make a game like this. 

1174
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,480
And I'm like, wait, I'm playing 
that game. 

1175
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,200
Well, I think Mike and I 
overrule you. 

1176
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,680
Overrule you, though, with our 
two votes from middle of the 

1177
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:05,680
pack. 
Sure. 

1178
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,960
Crane Lemon. 
I freaking the Cranes lemon 

1179
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,200
guys. 
I would say blast Corpse, the 

1180
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,920
crane was a pain in the A. 
The controls on that were 

1181
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,880
remarkably difficult for being a
freaking crane. 

1182
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,280
Yeah, and I'm going to hold this
entirely on the crane, that 

1183
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:26,120
getting a vehicle onto the crane
platform was obnoxious. 

1184
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,240
Yes, it could have been more 
obnoxious, but that was just 

1185
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,360
that should be an easy process 
if I'm going to have to move 

1186
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,600
vehicles with other vehicles, 
like make that work. 

1187
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,360
And like, it's difficult to tell
where the crane is going to 

1188
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,680
place something. 
There's no like, shadow helping 

1189
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,520
you and then, you know, a puzzle
in the game, you have to put a 

1190
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,120
TNT crate on the crane and then 
you have to lower the TNT crate 

1191
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,960
onto something to blow it up. 
But you've never done that 

1192
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,640
before in the game. 
You never do it again. 

1193
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,040
So yeah, not a fan of the. 
You have to drop it on that 

1194
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,920
bridge in a very specific 
perfect spot to blow up like a 

1195
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,720
bunch of them because if you did
wrong, then you have to do it 

1196
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,680
again. 
And so like I, if I, I probably 

1197
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:14,200
would have done like the, the 
switch saves spot on that 

1198
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,680
because I did that so many 
times, pulling my hair out, 

1199
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,720
being like, I, I just did it in 
the same spot. 

1200
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,800
How come it didn't blow up the 
whole bridge this time? 

1201
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,760
You know, like it was all, it 
was all these segmented blocks, 

1202
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,400
right. 
And if you hit it kind of in 

1203
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,400
between 2:00, it kind of 
cascaded and took all of them 

1204
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,040
out. 
But man, that was so 

1205
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,200
frustrating, that crane thing. 
That was not great moments. 

1206
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,400
I like the trains and the 
fairies. 

1207
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,400
I said single button gameplay. 
You just press to go forward or 

1208
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,360
backward. 
I don't think it's top of the 

1209
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,800
line because a lot of the you 
know, we're going to get to the 

1210
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,640
joy cons in a minute. 
But a lot of bad collision 

1211
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,240
detection like you would, you 
would park the train and see 

1212
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,520
that there is clearly enough 
room for your car to get off the

1213
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,160
ramp and off the vehicle. 
But Nope, because you didn't 

1214
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,240
stop when the little guy's face 
appears. 

1215
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,440
That was hilarious. 
That's so fact that. 

1216
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,920
They had to add that in which. 
Which I guess is you. 

1217
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,640
That's you, right? 
You're the you're the driver. 

1218
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,240
Yeah, I guess. 
But it's like, yeah, I'd smile 

1219
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,480
and be like, hey. 
Does the rest of the train count

1220
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,480
as the evaluation of the trainer
or we just evaluating the 

1221
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,600
engine? 
I think you got to take the 

1222
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,160
whole kit and caboodle. 
I don't think you can segment. 

1223
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,480
Mike doesn't like the trains 
because of the the end of the 

1224
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:24,960
train. 
You have to put stuff on it. 

1225
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,840
I. 
There's one of the levels that 

1226
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,280
you start off, and as a level 
design, this annoys the heck out

1227
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,520
of me because this is done 
purely to be obnoxious. 

1228
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:39,480
You have to get the bulldozer 
onto the train and then go 

1229
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,760
someplace and then get the 
bulldozer off and then do the 

1230
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,840
level. 
It's not like a connection of do

1231
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,600
stuff here, go over there, do 
other stuff. 

1232
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,920
Like you could just start me 
where I needed to go, but we 

1233
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,720
don't do that. 
And the number of times that 

1234
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,560
just like I would line up the 
bulldozer perfectly and I 

1235
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,880
couldn't get out of it because 
it wasn't lined up right. 

1236
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,880
And then I have to be like 
slightly crooked and sticking 

1237
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:04,360
off the, the car and then it's, 
oh, now it's a line. 

1238
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,000
I'm like, I don't know how that 
counts as a line. 

1239
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,920
I don't know how like, however 
you're valuing this, like I can 

1240
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,880
visually see this is entirely on
the the train right now. 

1241
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,920
When it works, it's not. 
That is not how that should 

1242
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,960
work. 
Yeah, it's, it's, it's janky. 

1243
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,400
I I one of my core memories. 
I don't know if you guys have 

1244
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,640
those weird memories from your 
childhood that you just hold 

1245
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,960
onto forever and you're like, 
why is this in my brain? 

1246
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,040
My dad is a trained enthusiast. 
And so I remember playing this 

1247
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,640
game as a little kid and Oh my 
God, I'm in the charge of the, 

1248
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,920
I'm playing the train. 
I can blow the horn. 

1249
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,160
So I called my dad in from doing
the taxes and like, look, dad 

1250
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,720
and I remember him stood there 
and he went, is that it? 

1251
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,680
Totally, totally deflated me 
because like, in my mind, it was

1252
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,240
the coolest things I'm going to 
say. 

1253
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,480
Middle, we're connecting on your
interests. 

1254
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,480
I tried, I failed. 
Very deflating. 

1255
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,760
So I say middle of the pack, 
Mike, say lemon, Nate final 

1256
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,280
deciding vote. 
What do you think for the trains

1257
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,360
and the ferries? 
I'm going to go with Mike. 

1258
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,440
I mean, I feel like, you know, 
and I'm going to agree with your

1259
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,640
dad because, you know, don't do 
that in the train. 

1260
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,120
You're like, oh, that's it. 
That's so fun. 

1261
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,840
It's like. 
It puts it in the in the level 

1262
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,600
and you're like, you know, you 
put the truck on it, you drive 

1263
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,640
it and then you take it off. 
You're like, wait, that's it. 

1264
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,600
The only time I liked the train 
is like there was a hidden train

1265
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,920
under underground tunnel and you
couldn't even see it. 

1266
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,360
You couldn't even see the train 
was there. 

1267
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:35,280
So it's like you got in it and 
then you started heading forward

1268
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,680
and then you can see the the 
screen moving and then there was

1269
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,200
a gap. 
You're like, oh, I'm in a train 

1270
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,040
now. 
Like, so that was kind of 

1271
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,840
interesting as far as like a 
gameplay element. 

1272
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:48,200
But generally the trains, and 
I'll say the boats by extension,

1273
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:53,440
were lemon. 
I liked the boats more because 

1274
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,360
they didn't. 
They had a larger platform, so 

1275
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,760
he wasn't getting stuck in this 
thing of like, or watching the 

1276
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,120
bulldozer bounce around. 
And I'm like, I'm not touching 

1277
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,200
any buttons anymore and it's 
bouncing off the parts of the 

1278
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,320
train. 
I'm like this makes no sense to 

1279
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,240
me. 
Yeah, like I said, janky for 

1280
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:12,360
sure. 
Which I'm not putting on the 

1281
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,600
bulldozer, I'm putting on the 
train because that was a train 

1282
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,720
thing. 
But I'm just like, this is such 

1283
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,720
a key bit of like if this goes 
badly, you don't have the time 

1284
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,520
to do stuff later. 
Right. 

1285
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,560
Like the you can't start off 
with this really rough thing. 

1286
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:29,800
Yeah, it doesn't make a good 
first impression. 

1287
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:31,800
What about our little guy on 
foot? 

1288
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,480
I think he's 11. 
I think he moved. 

1289
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,240
He moves real slow. 
He's totally undetailed. 

1290
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,760
And there were so many moments I
would get out of my vehicle and 

1291
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,360
try to run around the vehicle, 
end up back in the vehicle like 

1292
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,320
two or three times. 
Like, dude, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1293
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,640
So lemon for the little guy. 
You know what, I I want to give 

1294
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,000
him a little. 
I like the concept of being able

1295
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,360
to get out as a little guy. 
I just thought that was really 

1296
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,800
cool. 
And unique for games at this 

1297
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,880
time. 
Yeah, yeah, you're not just like

1298
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,200
driving up to like another 
vehicle and then you switch to 

1299
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,480
the other vehicle. 
You actually have to get out 

1300
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,280
and, and and move. 
But yeah, I mean, the mechanic 

1301
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,040
was really tough where like you 
get out and you're like, all 

1302
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,560
right, I need to go left. 
So then you hit left and then 

1303
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,280
some reason because the way the 
the cameras angled, you kind of 

1304
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,480
go right back into the vehicle 
he just got out of and you're 

1305
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:21,960
like, why are you doing this? 
It's like. 

1306
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,720
He gets out on weird parts of 
the vehicle as. 

1307
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,800
Well, yeah, it's not the same. 
Yeah, it's not the door. 

1308
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:28,760
Yeah, yeah. 
Like if it just was always the 

1309
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,760
door, I'd be like, I know what's
happening was like, that's not 

1310
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,960
how I expected this to go, but. 
Yeah, I do remember being as a 

1311
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,520
little kid being like, Oh my 
God, that's the guy. 

1312
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,000
That's that's the guy driving 
the car. 

1313
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,080
You look, you know, like that 
was kind of neat. 

1314
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,040
Oh he's cool, let's leave him in
the middle because I don't think

1315
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,760
there's any chance he's going to
get the lowest rating. 

1316
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,440
Are we OK then for our final 
rankings here? 

1317
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,600
Dump truck is the blast corpse 
that is the worst vehicle in the

1318
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,120
game. 
Yeah, that's where Backdraft 

1319
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:52,800
deserves to. 
Be yeah, for me, there's no 

1320
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,920
doubt in my in my list. 
I remember like being like, all 

1321
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,200
right, this is the one I hate 
the most. 

1322
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,520
And so then how about J Bomb for
best core? 

1323
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,840
I think it has all the good 
stuff with Max, but also you get

1324
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,320
the added verticality, you get 
the exploration you get. 

1325
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:11,880
You get everything with J Bomb. 
I think J Bomb is like the, you 

1326
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:17,080
know, Iron Man of the mechs. 
You know, he's on the cover the 

1327
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,600
the whole game play and the 
mechanics really open up with 

1328
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,840
with playing that one. 
You know, a lot of the other 

1329
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,200
ones. 
Again, the other two Macs are 

1330
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,160
very similar, but just have 
different mechanics. 

1331
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,400
I mean different animations, but
the mechanics are kind of 

1332
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,440
similar. 
So I think J Bomb is the most 

1333
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,960
unique and and the most fun. 
Mike, you cool with this? 

1334
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,800
I'm I'm good with that, even 
though I think you're biased. 

1335
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,440
Yeah, Can you call me J Bomb, 
Mike from now on? 

1336
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,040
Well, that concludes our ranking
retro segment for the Blast Core

1337
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,840
vehicles, and we'll put a link 
to this. 

1338
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,000
If you're listening and you want
to make your own ranking list, 

1339
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,120
I'll share the tier maker so you
can make your own and post a 

1340
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,560
screenshot to our Discord. 
That'll be fun. 

1341
01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:00,320
So the old switcheroo official 
best core vehicle from Blast 

1342
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,400
Core is J Bomb and the blast 
corpse. 

1343
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,760
The worst one is backlash. 
Well, guys, we kind of touched 

1344
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,680
on it already with, you know, 
what we liked and didn't like 

1345
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,840
about the vehicles. 
So but you know, there's other 

1346
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,600
problems with the game. 
Nate already mentioned the 

1347
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,880
frustration with the level 
select, you know, and just 

1348
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,960
trying to navigate this globe. 
OK. 

1349
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,680
First of all, first of all, is 
it just me? 

1350
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,200
If the carrier's going in a 
straight line, shouldn't the 

1351
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,800
level select be a straight line 
right about? 

1352
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:32,920
That, but that makes a lot of 
sense, yeah. 

1353
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,399
Like it's what? 
Yeah. 

1354
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,640
Unless it's circling and going 
through water and just kind of 

1355
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,399
apple coring this thing. 
Yeah, it just has to go all over

1356
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:42,439
the place. 
It's good. 

1357
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,279
It's on tour. 
This may be the hardest level 

1358
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,920
select I've ever played, right? 
Yeah, you can't. 

1359
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:53,359
You have to move diagonally. 
But we're playing and the the 

1360
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:54,840
level select should not be 
challenging. 

1361
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,359
It's I really wish there was a 
button to turn it into just a 

1362
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,720
top to bottom list. 
Give me a list. 

1363
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,040
Yeah. 
Also, you know, it was really 

1364
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,120
hard too, because when you were,
I mean, Jamo, you had said that 

1365
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,880
you only went for the professors
afterwards. 

1366
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,520
Are the scientists, Are they 
scientists? 

1367
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,439
Professors? 
They call them scientists. 

1368
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,920
I was finding them as I was 
playing and they tell you where 

1369
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,840
to find the next one. 
They're like, we need to get the

1370
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,880
rest of the guys. 
You should look for him at this 

1371
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,200
level. 
So then you're like OK, now I 

1372
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,279
have to find Argent towers, 
right? 

1373
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,600
So you're going through all of 
these in the map looking for the

1374
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:37,080
level that it is, which you 
know, it would be hard because 

1375
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:41,680
they're not listed anyway, but 
because just navigating it is 

1376
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,920
hard. 
It's It was so frustrating. 

1377
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,920
Discouraging a level select A 
level select. 

1378
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,120
We are. 
I don't I like I think this is 

1379
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,399
one of the no, no, I feel like 
with shadow warrior or whatever 

1380
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:54,760
that was doomsday warrior. 
Anyway, yeah, level select 

1381
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,440
should not be a pain, but Mike 
did. 

1382
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,800
Have you heard about the mind 
blowing Easter egg behind this 

1383
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:01,960
level Select? 
No. 

1384
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,960
You're gonna love this, the game
explained. 

1385
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,680
The YouTube channel game 
explained discovered in 2013 

1386
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,640
that if you look in the 
background of the level select 

1387
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,360
because those who aren't 
watching on YouTube or never 

1388
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:14,720
played the game, you're looking 
at the Earth and space is behind

1389
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,600
it. 
But if you watch the orbit of 

1390
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:22,240
various planets on the menu 
screen are exactly to scale, for

1391
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,560
lack of a better term, if you 
watch and time the menu closely.

1392
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,160
So I'm going to read this 
directly from Not Game FAQ. 

1393
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,560
If you watch the menu, it takes 
the Earth one minute to orbit 

1394
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,720
the Sun, which represents a 
year, and within that time the 

1395
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,720
Moon revolves exactly 13 times 
around the Earth. 

1396
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,800
With Mercury, it takes 14 
seconds from all around the Sun,

1397
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,160
which is equal to 88 days. 
Venus takes 37 seconds, which is

1398
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,160
equal to 225 days, so on and so 
forth. 

1399
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:51,600
And like, apparently even they 
had retrograde motion because 

1400
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:57,200
you can go to these planets and 
see the perspective of our solar

1401
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,560
system from the moon and from 
the other planets. 

1402
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:04,280
What's retrograde motion, Mike? 
So retrograde motion, like if 

1403
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:08,640
you plot out the position of say
Jupiter as a function of time, 

1404
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,200
it always kind of moves through 
the sky in a direction. 

1405
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,880
OK. 
Because you're seeing stuff 

1406
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,480
projected against the stars, 
you're seeing how it appears to 

1407
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:19,480
be moving with respect to 
background stars, but you can 

1408
01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:23,600
get into situations where 
planets are passing one another,

1409
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,760
and so things seem to move 
backwards, and it's sort of a 

1410
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:31,000
perspective trick. 
OK, so on that I know what 

1411
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,400
you're talking about now I've 
actually seen this. 

1412
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,480
You'll be watching it and like 
the planet will sort of kind of 

1413
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:38,600
curve in a way that you doesn't 
look natural, but you're saying 

1414
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,560
it actually. 
So for those who don't know, 

1415
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:45,080
Mike is in the business of 
observing celestial bodies also 

1416
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,960
into astronomy. 
I That's stupid. 

1417
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:52,280
Actually, you mentioned that a 
thing that I can't I can't 

1418
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,400
believe I said, and I can't 
believe I was not asked to leave

1419
01:11:54,400 --> 01:12:02,120
after I went to a Halloween 
party dressed as my costume was 

1420
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,200
the Hubble Space Telescope. 
Yes. 

1421
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,560
And there was someone there and 
she was wearing like a planet's 

1422
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:14,040
necklace and stuff. 
And like, I had already gotten 

1423
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:15,120
there. 
And it was, you know, this thing

1424
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,440
where it's like for me to get in
with like, solar panels 

1425
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:19,800
involved, like sideways through 
doors and junk. 

1426
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,880
So I kind of like, found a 
quarter to be like, I'm going to

1427
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,000
stand in this corner because, I 
mean, I'm going to stand in the 

1428
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,760
corner at a party anyway. 
But this way, like, this way, 

1429
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,680
it's also like, not inconvenient
to everybody because it's like, 

1430
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,640
it's a postdoc apartment. 
It's not huge. 

1431
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,720
And so when she got there, she 
had come over to me, and it's 

1432
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,360
like, yeah, So I'm the solar 
system. 

1433
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:47,440
And since I heard the Hubble 
Space Telescope was here, I 

1434
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:50,080
figured I should come over. 
And I said, well, I'd apologize 

1435
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,920
for staring, but it's kind of my
job. 

1436
01:12:54,120 --> 01:13:00,120
And it's. 
Like I very out of character for

1437
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,320
me and it was also like that 
went over well, which was also a

1438
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:07,280
surprise. 
Nice nice deepest mic lore. 

1439
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,240
Mike Rizz think that we got that
for the first time here. 

1440
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,960
That's a good, yeah. 
But I thought that was cool, 

1441
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,240
Mike, that they, they went 
through the trouble of 

1442
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:20,120
programming the scientific 
accuracy of just the planets and

1443
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,800
the moon in the background. 
Yeah, it's actually a fun side 

1444
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,080
or actually just maybe how how 
they program it, because 

1445
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,280
realistically that's happening 
because everything's moving on 

1446
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:28,760
the elliptical orbits at 
different speeds. 

1447
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,440
Yeah. 
But if you go back to the, like,

1448
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,000
Earth is the center of 
everything. 

1449
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,920
If you're observing planets 
through the sky and then they do

1450
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,120
that, that's the problem for it 
just is orbiting. 

1451
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,320
Yeah. 
And so they just went, what if 

1452
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:44,720
everything's on a small circle 
that's orbiting on a big circle?

1453
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,240
Like it's like the teacups or 
something. 

1454
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,240
Right. 
And actually a lot of modern 

1455
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,040
stuff still uses that because 
it's a, it's a much easier thing

1456
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,160
to just be like, what if you 
just make it be two circles than

1457
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,400
if you're trying to do stuff 
like the way it actually moves. 

1458
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,160
Which no one would understand 
but you. 

1459
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,120
I I do like though, that like 
somebody, that's what they their

1460
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,280
contribution to this as a 
programmer was to put this in, 

1461
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:13,280
but it's so not appreciated 
until like what 2013 and like a 

1462
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,120
deep lorries to Reg, you know, 
but like hopefully somebody out 

1463
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,600
there playing this back then was
like, oh, interesting, That's 

1464
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,360
how it really is. 
But then you have this other 

1465
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:26,480
programmer that's like no 
backlash is going to be a good 

1466
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:28,720
vehicle. 
And it's like, no, we, we should

1467
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:34,280
have had the, the, the fucking 
astrological programmer, you 

1468
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,800
know, maybe be doing something 
else because he was his, he was 

1469
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,840
his talents were wasted on on 
the menu screen. 

1470
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,560
Right, but what a good idea. 
And you're right, really bad 

1471
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,520
ideas really took the took the 
wheel as it were when it came to

1472
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,000
this game. 
Well, so you guys already 

1473
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,640
mentioned it through discussing 
like the fairies and the trains.

1474
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:57,000
I think for as ambitious as this
game is, the collision detection

1475
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,360
is just bad at points and you'll
be like trying to push a TNT 

1476
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,840
crate and it's bouncing up 
objects in a way that in no way 

1477
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,520
represents actual physics. 
And for a physics based puzzle 

1478
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,160
game, that's a bummer. 
And then also I just found a lot

1479
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,040
of the little secret paths just 
really hard to find. 

1480
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,960
Like, I'm showing, I'm showing 
the boys here a picture of like 

1481
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,800
a street from up above. 
And there's this tiny little 

1482
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:24,480
opening that almost looks more 
like a glitch than an actual 

1483
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,160
pathway. 
But Nope, that's where you run 

1484
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,960
your little guy down to get the 
bulldozer. 

1485
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,560
And it's just like, I don't like
when I'm squinting at games, you

1486
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,400
know? 
I'm OK with things being hard to

1487
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:38,280
find, but like, I feel like 
visually hard to see, that feels

1488
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,640
worse. 
Yeah, I think the collision 

1489
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,720
stuff with the bulldozer is also
now where I'm like, I feel like 

1490
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,080
every actual bulldozer that I've
seen has stuff on the edges so 

1491
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,840
that things being pushed don't 
just fly off to the side. 

1492
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,880
That's a good point. 
I remember thinking, can I get a

1493
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,320
forklift? 
A forklift would be helpful for 

1494
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,920
this puzzle. 
Yeah, big old forklift. 

1495
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,800
Funny though on the screenshot 
too seeing how like you know, 

1496
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,920
low Poly. 
This was because, you know, here

1497
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,080
you have very sharp 90° flat 
surfaces. 

1498
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:12,960
So depending on the angle, some 
stuff disappears entirely. 

1499
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:17,080
You know, like these fences, 
like if you're perpendicular to 

1500
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:22,000
a fence, perpendicular, 
parallel, perpendicular to the 

1501
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,680
fence, it disappears. 
You know, like it's because it's

1502
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,360
a thin line on, on the screen. 
There's no depth to it. 

1503
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,200
And then you have to turn the 
camera around a bit and then 

1504
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:32,680
you're like, oh, there's a fence
there. 

1505
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,760
You know, so things like the 
ramps going down that your guy 

1506
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,120
could walk down at certain 
angles, you don't see it at all.

1507
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:45,280
Some, some of the, the hidden 
rooms I only saw spinning the 

1508
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,960
camera around and all of a 
sudden this like 1 dimensional 

1509
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,680
plane is all of a sudden 2 
dimensional. 

1510
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,920
I can see behind it. 
Oh, there's something down 

1511
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,880
there, you know, because like, 
some of like the textures were 

1512
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,720
just too similar, you know? 
Right, but it's but it's all 

1513
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,640
just fun bonus areas, you know, 
so you kind of forgive it a 

1514
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:04,760
little bit more. 
You're like, well, I already 

1515
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,960
beat the main game. 
So I am a little OK with this 

1516
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,840
being a little finicky because 
it doesn't feel like they had to

1517
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,040
put it in the game, but it's 
neat. 

1518
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,240
That's when I play games, 
though. 

1519
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,560
It's always tough for areas that
are too big with too much to 

1520
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,880
explore because I'm I'm the type
that goes in and looks at all 

1521
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,280
the stuff that no one's going to
look at trying to explore 

1522
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,880
everywhere, open every drawer. 
So things like this, I was like,

1523
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,640
I really liked being able to 
like, find things like this and 

1524
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:35,400
explore them too, yeah. 
I will say in that same sort of 

1525
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:40,640
a vein though, the camera angle 
stuff, especially during timed 

1526
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:45,040
things was incredibly 
frustrating for me 100%. 

1527
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,920
And it's one of these deals 
where it's like if you could 

1528
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,000
control this camera better, like
if you would do what it's 

1529
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,280
supposed to do, that would be 
wonderful. 

1530
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:58,520
And I think some of those are 
areas where I would zoom it out 

1531
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,240
and I was like, OK, this is the 
view I want. 

1532
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,080
And then as I'm moving, it would
be like I'm driving along and 

1533
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,120
the camera just doing a pan and 
zoom back in. 

1534
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:09,360
And I'm like, I put you where I 
wanted, you stay there. 

1535
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,880
So it moves around, but not in a
way to be helpful. 

1536
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,840
Did you ever accidentally hit 
the button where it like went 

1537
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,680
into that? 
Like it went back to the truck 

1538
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,320
and it was like a weird 
perspective where like all of a 

1539
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,080
sudden I'm like, I don't know 
how to get back. 

1540
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,760
And I'm seeing it from Yeah, 
yeah, exactly. 

1541
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,040
It does the overhead view of 
where you are in relation to the

1542
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,360
bomb truck. 
And I'm like, this isn't what I 

1543
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,000
wanted. 
I don't, I don't know how to go 

1544
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:35,680
to back. 
Where am I? 

1545
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,560
You know, I I did that all the 
time. 

1546
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,920
I think I would have wanted 
that. 

1547
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,760
I think I ended up. 
I remember I haven't had it on a

1548
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,560
missile view. 
Actually, this is the other 

1549
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,160
camera thing that apparently 
because it could do it like this

1550
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,880
should this could have been 
super cool if it was better, 

1551
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,480
which is because I had levels 
where I'm like, I don't know 

1552
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:57,640
what the heck. 
I actually where did I go wrong 

1553
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,960
in clearing this path? 
And after you fail, like the 

1554
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,960
background of the game of like 
the mission failed thing is the 

1555
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,600
level you just play played like 
playing through. 

1556
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,680
And so you can watch it and see 
what you did. 

1557
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:18,000
However, that camera is not 
controllable to my knowledge. 

1558
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,480
And it just follows where you 
are. 

1559
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:24,120
And I'm like, let me control the
camera and this would be great. 

1560
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,000
And I'm like, you've got to be 
able to do that because it's not

1561
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,920
like you recorded video, like 
you recorded movement. 

1562
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,880
Let me point the camera where I 
want because if I could have 

1563
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,520
just done that on some of them 
just to be like, OK, I need to 

1564
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,160
just see what's happening while 
this is happening. 

1565
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,440
Like let me look around to see 
from the perspective of this 

1566
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:44,360
missile thing. 
Like what did I miss? 

1567
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,600
And don't follow me fly off to 
the side and then crash into a 

1568
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,600
wall. 
Like I need to know the in front

1569
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,920
of the like let me look around 
this way. 

1570
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,960
Right, but it's super cool 
though, because like I'm showing

1571
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,120
them right now one of those 
replays and like you are on the 

1572
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:03,320
carrier seeing your vehicles in 
the distance destroying stuff. 

1573
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,400
And like I agree, Mike, that's a
great idea. 

1574
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,760
It's almost like if they had 
committed to that and kept the 

1575
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,560
camera there the whole time and 
found a way to let you control 

1576
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,440
it, you know, like that, that I 
thought that was really stunning

1577
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:19,280
and it made parts where you 
can't control the camera that 

1578
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,600
much more frustrating. 
I said that like if you ever 

1579
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,440
been like a theme park dark 
ride. 

1580
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,560
And you wanna take a look at the
cool animatronics in the room, 

1581
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,800
but the shoulder restraints are 
like holding you and keeping you

1582
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,160
from looking where you wanna 
look. 

1583
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:32,720
That's what the camera feels 
like in black. 

1584
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,600
Dark right are you going on has 
shoulder restraints? 

1585
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,120
Like Harry Potter, right? 
That has dark right elements. 

1586
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,080
Gas. 
Space Mountain esque. 

1587
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:46,400
Yeah, that's, I mean, actually 
it is. 

1588
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,160
Actually exactly kind of like 
what the standard Omni mover of 

1589
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,080
like the Haunted Mansion is. 
We are just as like, no, we want

1590
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,760
you looking here, we're going to
turn. 

1591
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,520
So that's where you're looking? 
Exactly. 

1592
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,880
And sometimes, like, don't, 
don't do that. 

1593
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,240
Any other joy cons to complain 
about before we render our 

1594
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,680
verdict on Blastcore? 
I think we kind of covered it. 

1595
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:09,800
I, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm a 
little bit disappointed that, 

1596
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,200
you know, not completing those 
two levels. 

1597
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,360
I don't get to see all this 
other stuff, you know, but I 

1598
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:19,000
guess that's like how it is, you
know, like from the easy to 

1599
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:24,680
medium levels, you know, all 
the, the lines on the map did 

1600
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,320
convene on like 1 level and you 
had to beat that one level and 

1601
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,360
then it opened up another stuff.
So when I was at the end and I 

1602
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,040
was like, man, I just can't get 
this done. 

1603
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,480
I was like, it's only 2 levels, 
you know, Now seeing like, oh, 

1604
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:39,800
it's a lot more. 
After that I'm like, oh, so I'll

1605
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,280
have to go back and put the time
in. 

1606
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,680
That level design should show 
where the levels are that you 

1607
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,840
can't reach or something, just 
to give you an idea of how 

1608
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,040
you're doing progression and 
where you're missing stuff. 

1609
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,920
Well, you if you look at the 
circles on the level select. 

1610
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:56,120
A red circle indicates that you 
found all the secret level 

1611
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,800
beacons, and a green circle 
indicates that you have more to 

1612
01:21:58,800 --> 01:21:59,440
find. 
Yeah. 

1613
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,760
You know, it'd be great if they 
communicated that in a clear 

1614
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:02,120
way. 
A. 

1615
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,800
Key a map key would be great 
Like I, I didn't know what that 

1616
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,640
was. 
There was a lot of times that 

1617
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:13,040
like I didn't even know I I had 
a level that I just couldn't get

1618
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:14,800
to it. 
You know, like just do the map. 

1619
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:19,720
Just it was like I'd searching 
for a level that they told me to

1620
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,640
find a scientist at. 
I was like, here's a level I 

1621
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,400
haven't done yet, like a side 
race level. 

1622
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,520
And I just didn't realize that. 
But yeah, as far as cons, I feel

1623
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:33,640
like, you know, we went over it.
I mean, generally it's a net 

1624
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:34,920
positive form. 
I really liked it. 

1625
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,840
It's a fun game. 
You know, the General Lee is 

1626
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:41,240
taken out of the game, remember?
OK, there we go. 

1627
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,080
There we go making a comedian 
laugh. 

1628
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:44,520
OK. 
Mike, anything else to complain 

1629
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:45,720
about or should we wrap this one
up? 

1630
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,560
I think I was just saying that 
same like it's one thing to be 

1631
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,680
like there's more stuff to do on
this level, but also just 

1632
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,600
knowing where you are in game 
progression would like I it took

1633
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,800
me a lot just to figure out how 
close I was through this game to

1634
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,680
realize that like, OK, I'm not 
getting I'm not beating this 

1635
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,560
game and this is getting harder 
and there's a lot to go. 

1636
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:09,440
But like that was very difficult
to tell because this this way of

1637
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:12,360
expanding the world map has no 
real scent. 

1638
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,640
Like I thought I might have 
almost been done because they'd 

1639
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,320
almost formed a nice shape that 
looked kind of like the badge 

1640
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:18,520
thing that you get every so 
often. 

1641
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,000
And I'm like, is that this like,
do I get does this like form 

1642
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,800
like a pentagram? 
And then I've won and it turns 

1643
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,040
out no. 
And I also find that funny 

1644
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,560
because there's so many 
rankings, like rank up now 

1645
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,480
you're Master Destroyer, rank up
now you're an impeccable 

1646
01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:35,440
exploder. 
And I was like, is it better 

1647
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,520
than Master Destroyer? 
What is that related to? 

1648
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,760
Just the level progression or 
how much money? 

1649
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,600
The money thing was also really 
funny to me. 

1650
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,960
It's like, oh, all of these 
buildings have dollar amounts to

1651
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,960
them like. 
The manual also mentions those 

1652
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,600
levels and it's just it lists 
like 10 and it's like go find 

1653
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:53,920
all the other ones and it's like
that. 

1654
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,280
That's a lot of levels to be 
like, and there's a ton more. 

1655
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:02,160
More than 8. 
More than 8. 

1656
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,480
Well, guys, that brings us to 
the moment of truth. 

1657
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:07,480
We've covered the joy pros, the 
joy cons, and every bit in 

1658
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:09,720
between. 
So it's time to declare the game

1659
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:13,560
from today's episode as a 
Nintendo or a Nintend. 

1660
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,880
Don't. 
Nate, can we start with you, our

1661
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,320
esteemed guest? 
Would you recommend people play 

1662
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,120
this game? 
Yeah, yeah, I think it's, if you

1663
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,360
know, if you've played it 
before, it's great to 

1664
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,880
rediscover. 
If you've never played it, I I 

1665
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,000
think it holds up. 
The mechanics are still fun. 

1666
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,680
You know, I'm, I'm one of those 
people, you know, I know your 

1667
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,880
whole show is going back and, 
and, and, and playing these 

1668
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,280
these games is the Switch, what 
is it called? 

1669
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,680
The store. 
EShop, well, it's. 

1670
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,080
Nintendo Classics is. 
What? 

1671
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:46,280
Yeah, Nintendo classics. 
I'm not really a classics player

1672
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,040
and you know, cuz I feel these 
games are really hard. 

1673
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,880
This one I genuinely had fun 
with and I was like, this is a 

1674
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,640
game that's definitely worth 
revisiting and playing. 

1675
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,320
So I I would say Nintendo 
awesome. 

1676
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:04,440
Would you say a Super Nintendo? 
I would say a Super Nintendo 64.

1677
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:09,360
Oh, Nintendo 64. 
Yeah, I, I really liked it. 

1678
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,440
I, I thought this was worth 
playing. 

1679
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:13,800
Definitely. 
Awesome. 

1680
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:20,160
Nintendo 64, Nintendo Ultra 64. 
All right, Mike, what's your 

1681
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,640
verdict? 
So I think there's been several 

1682
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:27,480
where you've changed your stance
by the end of the episode, and I

1683
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:30,840
have fairly steadfastly not done
that. 

1684
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:32,800
Correct. 
You usually know how you're 

1685
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,680
feeling going in. 
This may be the first one where 

1686
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:39,560
information was brought to light
over the course of this that I 

1687
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,780
had not realized. 
That is enough to get me to re 

1688
01:25:42,780 --> 01:25:48,440
evaluate things because I was 
probably at a Nintendo on this 

1689
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,640
because it was very frustrating.
But. 

1690
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,120
This game is probably also a 
very good candidate for them to 

1691
01:25:55,120 --> 01:26:01,800
eventually bring the SP modes to
the N64 again to get to the let 

1692
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,880
me see the junk that I wouldn't 
have otherwise seen. 

1693
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:05,440
Nate, do you even know what that
is? 

1694
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:09,240
The SP modes? 
No, Nintendo Classics has, If 

1695
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:12,160
you go back to the Nintendo or 
the Super Nintendo, they have 

1696
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,200
these versions of the game where
it's essentially you're 

1697
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:19,600
inheriting the save file of some
kid who unlocked everything for 

1698
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,200
you. 
So remember the feeling of 

1699
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,840
renting something and being like
they have all the cool bonus 

1700
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,360
levels suite, Yes, they do that 
for you. 

1701
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,840
But for some reason, now that 
they've entered the area where 

1702
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,560
that's really the era, excuse 
me, where that's really, really 

1703
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,680
key, they have completely 
abandoned, never revisited. 

1704
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,480
It can't cost them anything to 
make. 

1705
01:26:37,480 --> 01:26:39,840
And no one said it. 
You know what? 

1706
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,200
OK, that's it. 
That's it. 

1707
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,200
Mike, I'm sick of this shit. 
Excuse me. 

1708
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,680
Sorry for the language. 
I've been considering saying 

1709
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,760
this for a while, but something 
about Nate vaping on there makes

1710
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,800
me want to say this. 
I will, Nintendo, if you go back

1711
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:56,360
and add the SP mode to these 
games, I will get an SP tattoo. 

1712
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,600
OK, I will get the SP logo 
tattooed to my body and then 

1713
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,440
this will finally go viral. 
Mike, let's do it. 

1714
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,320
I mean, I feel like you undercut
that when you say and then this 

1715
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:08,840
will go viral in the bit you 
think will go viral. 

1716
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:11,760
We'll cut that part out. 
Mike. 

1717
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,840
You're the audio editor guy. 
Yeah. 

1718
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:19,560
I hope the one guy in charge of 
like, adding this stuff is just 

1719
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:24,160
like, yeah, I'm going to make 
this guy get this tattoo, this 

1720
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,400
very niche thing that only I'm 
responsible for. 

1721
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:28,760
I haven't discussed it with my 
wife. 

1722
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:34,880
I'm feeling nervous already. 
Anyway, so in this case, the 

1723
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:39,200
thing that I do not feel was 
conveyed to me by this game was 

1724
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:43,280
the if I go back to a level, the
stuff that I'd already done to 

1725
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,880
that level is still done and 
that the missiles are no longer 

1726
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,400
there. 
And and it like it kept. 

1727
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:54,160
I also expected if I went back, 
I would have to redo like 

1728
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,560
driving past all the things and 
all those kinds of things and it

1729
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:02,040
stores those. 
So I am at least flipping over 

1730
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,840
to a Nintendo on this because I 
haven't done the exploration, 

1731
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,480
but that opened up the 
exploration in a way that was 

1732
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:10,960
much less painful than I thought
the game was going to be. 

1733
01:28:11,480 --> 01:28:14,600
Yeah, yeah, it's night and day. 
The feeling of going back and 

1734
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,920
exploring and destroying the 
other stuff. 

1735
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,320
Like that's what rare is it 
best. 

1736
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,680
The collectathons, the Banjo 
Kazooie, get all the little 

1737
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:23,200
puzzle pieces. 
This game scratches that itch 

1738
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,520
once you've gotten rid of that 
damn carrier. 

1739
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,400
I love it because it's like you 
have the anxiety part of the 

1740
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,240
game, which Mike only 
experienced, right? 

1741
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,200
And then without having to do 
much more, they still have the 

1742
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,920
same level. 
You know, all the same stuff is 

1743
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,560
there, but you got to go back 
and get do it at your own pace 

1744
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,000
and you're just blowing up 
buildings and stuff. 

1745
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,720
So you kind of have like, it's 
funny saying it's like a calming

1746
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:51,440
thing, but like, you know, after
experiencing the anxiety of the 

1747
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:54,680
first mission and then going 
back, it is like a cozy game, 

1748
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,680
you know, like it turns into 
like a cozy game. 

1749
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,120
Yeah, 100%. 
Well, love it or hate it, I say 

1750
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,360
there's simply nothing else 
quite like Blast Core. 

1751
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:06,000
It's ambitious, it's creative, 
it's sloppy, it's funny, it's 

1752
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,760
just truly a rare game in every 
sense of the word. 

1753
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:13,120
So while I recommend you play it
on Switch 2, because by the time

1754
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:16,320
this episode comes out, Switch 2
will have been released and the 

1755
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:21,400
ability to rewind on N64 games 
would have been huge, it would 

1756
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,440
have really helped you get 
around a lot of the frustration 

1757
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:26,840
inherent in the janky 
programming. 

1758
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:30,040
So I have to give this game a 
recommendation, especially since

1759
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:33,080
if you have a Switch to, you can
play it the best way ever, which

1760
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,080
is letting you rewind and not 
pull your hair out in 

1761
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,080
frustration. 
So it's an enthusiastic Nintendo

1762
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,720
for me and that we're going to 
call that game over for today. 

1763
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,760
The final score for Blast Core 
is a unanimous Nintendo. 

1764
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,200
Nate, thank you so much for 
talking with us today. 

1765
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:51,320
Before you get on out of here, 
why don't you tell our listeners

1766
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,360
where they can find your stuff? 
Yeah, thanks for having me. 

1767
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,120
This was a blast to revisit us 
again. 

1768
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,480
I don't think I would have gone 
back unless I had like, you 

1769
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:02,720
know, a purpose for it. 
So yeah, and, and even 

1770
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:06,040
discovering this part of my 
switch, I was like, oh, I I had 

1771
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,760
this. 
I never unlocked it, so I'll 

1772
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,480
have to go back and check out 
more things while I follow along

1773
01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:14,680
with the podcast. 
But people can find us. 

1774
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:19,440
And my brother Sam, who I told 
about this, and he was he, he's 

1775
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:21,520
unfortunately teaching right now
not. 

1776
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,840
A loser. 
But he was like, I remember that

1777
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:29,880
game, but he was psyched about 
it, too. 

1778
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:35,760
So you can find us Sunday 
nights, 9:00 PM Eastern, 6:00 PM

1779
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:42,440
Pacific on official WKK on 
Twitch watching movie trailers. 

1780
01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:46,680
And if you want to play along, 
you can submit to Misery loves 

1781
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,400
dot US. 
Some people play and they just 

1782
01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:52,240
there aren't able to even watch 
the show because the time zones 

1783
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,680
or whatever. 
So we do have a bunch of them on

1784
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,600
YouTube as well on the widest 
kids channel. 

1785
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:04,720
We're we're about a season 
behind though, So we do about 26

1786
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:08,640
episodes of season, I think. 
So yeah, you can check us out 

1787
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,520
there as well. 
And go compete with Mike and see

1788
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,680
if you can beat his high score 
in Who can submit the coolest, 

1789
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,800
funniest, wackiest, most 
noteworthy trailers? 

1790
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:17,600
Love it. 
Love it or? 

1791
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,880
Alternatively, figure out which 
ones are my trailers and vote 

1792
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:21,840
for them. 
There you go. 

1793
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,560
There you go. 
Well, that sounds northeast 

1794
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:25,400
Excellent. 
Everyone. 

1795
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,360
Join us next time and we will 
strive to see the bigger picture

1796
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:33,160
when we cover Clue Clue Land for
the NES and Pit Cross for the 

1797
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:36,560
Gameboy and Super Nintendo. 
Pit cross is great, I love that.

1798
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,280
OK, I mean, listen to that 
episode because I got some stuff

1799
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:43,160
to say about Pit Cross. 
Everyone. 

1800
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:47,040
Don't forget to visit 
www.theoldswitcharoo.com. 

1801
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:50,160
There you can find links to our 
Spotify, YouTube, Instagram, and

1802
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,480
all the social medias you can 
shake a joystick at. 

1803
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,960
You can even leave it's an old 
timey voicemail, meaning we 

1804
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,480
would literally love to hear 
from you. 

1805
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:59,680
Or even better, join the fun on 
our Discord server where you can

1806
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,640
play games, talk games, and even
make a friend or two. 

1807
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,560
Big thanks to Crystal Fields for
our incredible intro song. 

1808
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,600
And thank you, dear Listener for
liking, commenting, subscribing,

1809
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:11,360
reviewing, and playing along 
with us every step of the way. 

1810
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,160
This has been the old Switcheroo
where we've been talking gaming 

1811
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,520
retro with Mike and Jamo. 
I've been Mike. 

1812
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,960
And I've been jamo game on 
everyone. 

1813
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,400
The sibling video game stuff is 
always really funny. 

1814
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,560
Like Sam and I are big fans of 
like English Premier League 

1815
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:41,680
soccer and a lot of it is 
because of FIFA 97 on the 64, 

1816
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,760
because, you know, like we 
didn't have soccer on TV. 

1817
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,840
So, you know, we learned all the
teams and the players to the 

1818
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,160
video game and we would have 
another friend come over and, 

1819
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,840
and he was just awful at it. 
And we would be like, you know, 

1820
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,800
it's a, it's early days of video
gaming where like you could do 

1821
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,680
one move and it was like kind of
score 100% of the time. 

1822
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,960
If you, if you got that set up, 
you know, it was just you were 

1823
01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:02,080
learning like how the game was, 
was worked. 

1824
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:06,720
And so this guy secretly went 
and bought the game and would 

1825
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:11,880
practice at home until because 
we were just like talking so 

1826
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,400
much shit and he would get so 
angry that he like went and 

1827
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,600
bought a 64 and the game just to
play it to practice. 

1828
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,920
So that was always really funny 
for us. 

1829
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:23,960
Our house was the video game 
house where everyone came and 

1830
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,960
played games. 
I like to imagine that someone, 

1831
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,880
somewhere, their first 
introduction to basketball was 

1832
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,920
NBAJM and they thought that was 
going to be amazing and then 

1833
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:37,160
they saw a regular basketball 
and was just like no one is on 

1834
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,320
fire. 
There's no one heating up at 

1835
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:40,680
all.