Lite Switch: Nov 19, 2025 | Mario Galaxy movie Nintendo direct, Inscryption, Marvel Snap

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I don't know where my Genesis
could be.

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I haven't seen my Super Nintendo
since 2003.

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That's all right.
I don't mind.

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I've got a Switch in the old
Twitch room.

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My friend Mike and Jamo too.
Welcome back to the old

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Switcheroo, where we're talking
gaming retro with Mike and Jamo.

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I'm Mike.
And I'm Jamo in this episode of

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the old Switcheroo Light Switch.
Instead of our normal focus on

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the over 300 retro games
available on Nintendo Classics,

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we're going to share what games
we've been playing during the

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offseason, as well as our deep
dive on last week's Super Mario

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Galaxy Movie Direct
presentation.

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So Mike, we watched the original
Mario movie together, and I mean

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that in every sense of the word.
Give me your take on Mario's big

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screen appearances so far.
I am hard pressed to decide

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which I like better because I
think the 90s one has a lot

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going for it that I I appreciate
in terms of the world world it

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builds.
Yeah.

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It feels nice and distinct, but
then the animated one also has a

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lot going for it, a lot of depth
and references because there's a

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bunch of stuff that I remember
picking up.

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I think I picked up stuff that I
didn't know what it was a

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reference to.
I just saw it and I'm like,

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that's got to be a reference to
something.

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I will Google this later.
So I mean, it was, it was, it

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was fun.
I wasn't as taken with it as I

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think a lot of people were, but
I also didn't think it was bad.

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Yeah, I mean, I, I'm with you
and I think Derek is a defender

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of the 90s Mario movie 'cause I
mean that the the story of that

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thing being such a belabored
production just makes you

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appreciate all the more the fact
that they did in fact cobble a

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movie together from that dingy
like heat stroke inducing

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warehouse they were recording
the entire thing in.

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And people were heavily under
the influence for a lot of that

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production.
But as you know, as cute as the

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animated movie is, you kind of
can't deny it's less interesting

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than the the 90s live action.
The point's been argued that the

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90s one was kind of more like
you made a, you had a movie idea

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and you just have attached a
property to it somewhat.

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Yeah, but but with an
interesting idea.

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Yeah, and Andrew, our friend had
nothing new.

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He did an episode comparing the
live action Mario to

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Illuminations Mario.
And there's several references

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in Illuminations Mario that
proves that whoever made that

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movie actually did care about
the old live action 1.

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So there's like some like kind
of beat for beat recreations if

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you, you know, look at it
through a certain lens.

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So.
So that's pretty fun.

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So yesterday, well, no, last
week.

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There we go.
Last week there was a Super

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Mario Galaxy Movie Direct.
That's such a mouthful. the

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Super Mario Galaxy Movie.
It's weird you don't normally

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think about Nintendo having
cumbersome and not terribly

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descriptive names for things.
That would be great if they re

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release these movies with the
same shenanigans they pulled for

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the Super Mario Advance series.
But we both watched it.

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What was your overall
impression?

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Honestly I think like before
watching it I figured I will

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watch it because I watched the
first one and it was fun.

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Yeah and I am in the exact same
spot I am now.

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Like there was nothing that
grabbed me.

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OK.
I mean, part of this is with

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this being Mario Galaxy, a game
which I've never played.

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Yeah.
Like there's no oh, it's that

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element to this.
Yeah.

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And I kind of feel like that's
kind of all it seemed to

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OfferUp.
Right.

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Like there wasn't anything else
to that really to me.

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It's it's funny because halfway
through the direct, Jack Black

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like crashes the presentation
and goes like, my kids were so

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excited for the Mario Galaxy
movie.

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And if my kids are excited, that
means kids all over the world

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are excited because Mario Galaxy
was the best.

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Like, I did the math.
Like Mario Galaxy came out 15

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years ago, so I'm not saying
that kids can't play it.

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But like those came out on the
Wii, which has not really been a

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console I think many people
still access because of its lack

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of HD functionality.
I feel like I don't know if I'm

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speaking out of my butt here,
but I think that most consoles

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that are plugged into modern
televisions are probably ones

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that you use an HDMI cable to
connect you.

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You'd agree, right?
I mean, I just presumed the

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people are still doing the same
thing I remember doing and

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having to cobble together three
different cords to plug stuff

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in.
Oh yeah, yeah.

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There's always some kind of like
transfer box.

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You kind of had to.
You're like an old timey

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operator getting your game
system to yeah.

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Things, but there's like wires
that you know, like bare wires

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that you're attaching to prongs,
kind of stuff like, I mean this,

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this what happens when it was
running an Atari and you know,

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the year 2000 like ATV like it
was, it was not straightforward.

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I remember when we had to turn
to Channel 3 to turn on the

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Genesis, like that was like a
thing and just like having to be

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on a specific channel for your
video game system to work.

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You know, in a sense I kind of
like that I still have to switch

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to input 3.
Yeah, yeah, it's nice.

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It's nostalgic.
Yeah.

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Well, so, you know, kind of just
calling out some of the bigger

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moments of the trailer itself.
You know, you kind of have it

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just divided in distinct little
parts.

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We see that Bowser.
I guess you have to say spoilers

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for a trailer.
I don't think so.

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I mean, we're talking about the
trailer.

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If it's a.
If you don't want the.

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Trailer spoiled.
Pause this podcast for two

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minutes, go watch it and come
back.

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So Bowser is still being held
captive in Princess Peach's

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castle.
He ate a poison mushroom at the

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end of the last movie and was
shrunk down.

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And I do like that that was like
that context was reminded to us

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afterwards in large part because
when I watched us with Cat,

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she's like, why is he small?
That happened at the end of the

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last movie.
And so I really like that

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they're just like, we're going
to put something in here just to

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be like, hey, everyone, remember
that because people don't.

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And you see him frantically
painting all of Malcolm's dad

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from Malcolm in the Middle.
I don't know if he ever saw that

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episode where he just throws
paint at this giant canvas.

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Have you seen that one?
Right.

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No, I I don't remember that one.
It it ends with a paint, a

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lanch, which I don't think is
that hard to actually, well, I

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guess it's an avalanche of
paint, but I don't know.

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Definitely Bryan Cranston.
That's the actor's name, right?

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Yeah, definitely one of his more
treasured scenes in my book.

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But anyway, Bowser is painting
haphazardly and he makes, well,

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he makes a painting of Mario as
a corpse.

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It's a skeleton of Mario.
But then when Mario and Luigi

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show up, he shows them.
I guess you'd call it fan art of

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himself with like a six pack of
ABS and Peach fawning on him.

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Guarantee that's already on give
you an art.

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Oh, 100% yeah.
And and on Etsy, you can buy AT

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shirt of that painting already,
but Mario's a Dick about it.

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I understand this is your arch
rival, but he calls his painting

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trash.
And like, Luigi is kind of

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affirming.
And there's a cute little moment

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where like tiny Bowser's like,
hey, Luigi, what's up, Mario?

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And like, I just love this this,
this implication that Luigi is

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the more likable brother.
I mean, yeah, yeah.

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So then you have some quick
smash cuts, you have Mario and

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Peach watching a gorgeously
animated like kind of meteor

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shower shooting star kind of,
you know, things raining down.

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I thought just, I mean,
Illumination Studios is right.

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I thought the colour play looked
beautiful in that scene.

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So can't wait to see that on the
big screen.

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And then Peach and Toad leap
into a warp * flying past an

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aquatic planet.
And then one of the more

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interesting shots is Mario and
Luigi decked out in Mad Max

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style cloaks and they're driving
dirt bikes through the Sand

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Kingdom level from Mario
Odyssey, complete with its

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iconic inverted pyramid.
You didn't play Odyssey either,

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right?
No.

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Which one was that?
That was the one that came out

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on the Switch.
You threw your cap onto

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different enemies and possessed
them.

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OK I played that for like 2
hours with RiRi.

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OK, well it's a great game.
I mean it's a strong recommend

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and it's interesting to see Sand
Kingdom in the Galaxy movie

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because that tells you that
they're going to be playing with

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not only characters but
potentially settings from other

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games.
So I thought that was kind of

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neat.
Also the motorbike had a sticker

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on it that said like lost arena
or something OST something

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arena.
I have trouble reading the first

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letter, did you catch that?
No, I didn't.

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Did not.
Leave a comment if anyone knows

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what that's a reference to
because it looks like it could

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be saying Lost Arena and I'm not
familiar with the reference but

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it seemed like a little Easter
egg.

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And so then afterwards, Princess
Peach is seen using her parasol

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from the Smash Brothers series
to fight off a horde of ninjies

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and they're in some kind of
computer looking sort of

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dimension.
And then the big reveal.

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Bowser Junior lands in the frame
with his iconic paintbrush from

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Super Mario Sunshine.
He dips it in some sort of like

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Terminator style liquid metal
that coats his body and turns

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the brush into a spiked flail as
a really fun sound effect kick.

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It kicks in.
Did you recognize the audio

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Easter egg mic in that part?
No.

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It's like.
You use the footage for this,

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don't you?
You use the video.

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OK, that's gonna be wonderful.
It's the Prowler sound effect

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from beyond the spider verse.
It's the same sound that the

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Prowler makes.
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You know Prowler, the green
cloak guy, that.

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That that was the second of the
animated movies, right?

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This the first one OK.
That was the first, OK.

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Technically, he is in the second
one, played by Danny Glover.

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I only I only saw the first one
and it's been a while.

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OK, well, people in the comments
don't know what I'm talking

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about.
That character has a very iconic

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sort of sound effect whenever he
appears on screen, and it's kind

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of a kind of a mix between like
an elephant and like, a lion's

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roar.
It's really cool.

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So I thought that was a cute
little nod to fans of animated

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movies because I think a lot of
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that.
And so also Bowser Junior had

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kind of a cool effect.
His little kerchief like kind of

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moves like a sound wave.
I feel like there's going to be

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some level of like computery
digital threat with like Bowser

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Junior getting that sort of
upgrade to his little kerchief

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making his.
The pattern on the fabric moves

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up and down like a sound wave,
but also looks like his jaws.

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I just watched the trailer.
It could be something like a

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virus that's going to take over
the world, and it has to be

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solved by dealing with like,
Bowser's inability to be on his

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own away from Peach.
OK.

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And then just entirely RIP off
additional things from Wreck It

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Ralph too.
But, you know, I mean, I don't

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know how serious you're being,
but I could totally see that

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metal that codes Bowser Junior
as some kind of threat on its

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own.
You know, maybe that is the

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visual of the virus.
And so then you get the ending

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shot of the trailer, which is
Mega Leg, the three legged boss

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from Galaxy approaching
Rosalina's castle, attempting to

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kidnap her.
She produces her magic wand to

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repel its grasp and then cuts
off all three ankles of the

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roboticized mech simultaneously
using warp stars like buzz saws.

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Come on Mike, you got to give
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That was pretty cool.
I kind of it, I think it didn't

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feel like it had stakes.
So I kind of was underwhelmed by

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it.
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I just feel like we've seen a
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at explosion shots.
In fact, even Predator but.

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I did notice that part.
Is that like as it's clapped

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into the ground she's just
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She's not even walking away.
She's kind of just looking to

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the side kind of smug.
And I've I, it hit for me, I was

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like, that's, that's a pretty
dope shot to end on Brie Larson

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as Rosalina and Benny Safdie as
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Any thoughts?
Not really in either case other

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than I feel like the first one
is going to upset like the worst

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parts of the Internet.
What?

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Why?
Oh, 'cause like, they're not

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over Captain Marvel or whatever.
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It's whatever I I think.
I think she's a good fit.

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I'm not really familiar with
Benny Safdie.

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I've seen him in good time, but
he wasn't like a major part of

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the movie.
There was something kind of

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interesting that I thought was
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Is it?
Did you happen to get a look at

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the thumbnail on YouTube for the
Mario Galaxy movie Direct?

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It's a picture of a flotilla of
sailboats with Mario and Luigi

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and Peach out on the Bay with a
bunch of different toads and

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they're all riding in these
sailboats with star shaped

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sails.
Are you familiar?

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I am not.
But OK, well, it's easy to find.

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There is a very interesting
cameo in that thumbnail, which

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is Chef Toad, a character who
has only appeared in the

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Universal Studios restaurant
Toadstool Cafe.

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He's an original character for
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Mike.
He's on the poster.

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OK.
Yeah, like, I don't know how I

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feel about that.
I was.

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Trying to figure out how it's
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there is a whole toad cooking
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didn't know if that refers to
him, encapsulates him or if you

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mean chef like with like chef
hat kind of thing.

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Chef Toad is a distinct
character.

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His mushroom is a different
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OK.
Yeah, such a freaking nerd.

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Well, but so Toad's head is
white with red spots.

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Chef Toad's head is red with
white spots, and he has a Little

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Chef hat.
So you're being very

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problematic, Mike.
I'm not being problematic if I

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haven't seen him.
But I don't know though, like I,

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I think it, it is, it is
somewhat interesting.

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Like, we'll save it for a more
detailed conversation of it, but

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the Toadstool Cafe restaurant in
Universal Studios has a lot of

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screens and so you could
potential what?

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That it's awesome that those.
Screens.

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Yeah, those are, yeah.
They're really, really fun.

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They're super high def.
They're they're they're fully

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animated.
But it occurred to me you could

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very easily program new screens
to promote a new movie.

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And so I was like, is Chef Toad
gonna have like some movie stuff

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appearing in the restaurant and
then they'll advertise that?

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I don't know, listen Universal,
someone pay attention to us.

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You can have that for free.
That's a good freaking idea.

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My 1 take away from this trailer
though, is kind of my take away

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from the first movie, which is
that you have these Mario movies

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and it seems like Mario is
consistently the least

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interesting person in the
script.

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Do you?
Agree.

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I mean, his first appearance,
he's upstaged by a giant monkey

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that steals a woman and a woman
who's stolen by a giant monkey.

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Right.
So I think that's just on par.

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Yeah.
And, and it occurred to me,

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like, Mario is very much a blank
slate kind of character.

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He doesn't really have a
personality in the way that like

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Sonic does.
But you're making movies.

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Like, I feel like this would be
a unique opportunity to actually

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give that character a little bit
of depth.

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But I wonder if they don't want
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I wonder if Nintendo is
directing them to leave Mario a

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bit more.
What's the term?

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A bit of more of a Tabula Rousa
for the players.

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I think it's like it, whichever
way you go, someone's going to

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be mad.
Like it's probably the same

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realm of like less of an it.
Like there's more of an issue

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when you get into the idea of
like Link and you get to like,

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well, is Link going to talk?
And however you do that is going

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to possibly upset some part of a
fan base because everyone got

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their idea of what they I either
they don't want it to happen or

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they've they've got their own
internal idea of how it should

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happen.
I guess in my mind, the movie

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that did it right and took a
chance and it paid off was

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Detective Pikachu because, you
know, now granted that's not

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ashes Pikachu, so it's a
different Pikachu, but it's

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still let's Pikachu for most of
the world and they most

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definitely picked a direction
and committed to it.

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You like you like that movie,
right Yeah, yeah.

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And you know, I just think of
that movie, if they had just

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made Pika, say Pika Pika because
they were too afraid to give a

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personality to him and they made
him like a surly Ryan Reynolds.

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Lisa, I'm sorry, hopefully
you're still listening.

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She's got this whole thing
against Ryan Reynolds.

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But I thought, I thought that
was an example of taking a game

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character that's not necessarily
known for having a distinct

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personality and doing something
interesting with it.

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I think they have the safety,
though, that everyone knew that

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that's like very a Pikachu,
that's a Pikachu, and it's a

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different Pikachu.
Yeah, yeah.

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That's true, that's true.
Did you have any final takes on

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the Super Mario Galaxy Movie
Direct?

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Not, not really.
Like I said it, it felt very

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bland to me because I guess
because it doesn't have anything

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that I'm going to go, oh, hey,
it's that thing.

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Right.
Well, I mean, you're going to

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see it though, right?
Yeah, like it didn't change that

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because for me it was more based
off of my selling point was the

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first movie.
And I'm like, I don't know if

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they have something that they
can throw in there that will

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make me radically change, like,
oh, now I'm excited for this.

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Yeah, well, I'm a see it, you
would see it.

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And listener, come back to the
old switcheroo and we will

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include our thoughts somewhere
and, you know, leave a comment.

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Let us know if you're excited.
So, Mike, what the heck have you

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been playing lately?
A lot of card games.

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Yeah, talk to me about that.
What's the What's the first one

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you want to gab about here?
I'll just as the, the the first

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one was one that I've had
sitting around for a while and I

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think this came up when we had
Dempsey on, I think, but

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certainly one that you brought
up, which was inscription.

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Yes, yes, I love inscription.
Are you are you playing it on

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PC?
Yes.

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OK, so how far are you?
Because the most interesting

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about inscription is that it's a
card game with a hell of a plot.

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Yeah.
So I have reached, I think, what

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effectively is the end of the
game.

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OK, describe it.
I'm at the point now where I

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just have like the like various
mobs that you can go back and

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play OK.
Like I, I think I've, I've gone

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through, like this part is
definitely going to be spoilery.

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Like I've gone through, like the
guy that you're following

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through this is like killed and
all that kind of stuff, Yeah.

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The video logs of because the
the premise essentially is that.

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This is a heck of a meta.
Of a lost game.

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OK.
Yeah, I cut out there for a

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second.
You cut out at the premises.

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OK.
Am I back now?

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Yes.
OK.

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So essentially the premise is
that this influencer, kind of a

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small time influencer called the
Lucky Carter, has stumbled upon

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a copy of a game he was not
supposed to have.

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And through his process of
investigating the game itself,

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the company that made the game,
and interacting with people who

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don't necessarily necessarily
want him to have a copy of this

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game, those I thought were
really compelling.

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Did Did they hit for you?
I kind of felt it was hit or hit

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or miss.
OK.

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Like, honestly, the part that I
found more compelling was since

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the structure of it is basically
rogue light.

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Yeah.
And so the first one you have,

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you know you have this card in
that this card game and you are

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getting new cards as you're kind
of going through and you're able

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to kind of get up from the table
and move around the room a bit.

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Which I thought was really
unique.

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That was surprising.
Yeah.

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And so like I had a lot of fun
with that to the point that I

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was kind of disappointed when it
moved on.

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Yeah, without me knowing it was
going to happen like that.

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Because once you kind of move
on, you're on to a whole new

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sort of stage of this as you're
basically going through the same

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core card game.
Like really it's a physical card

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game that had gotten a computer
version.

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So you're seeing various
computer versions.

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Yeah, and the rules change a
little bit each time.

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And so then at the risk of so
you haven't beaten it yet.

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I mean, I have then gone through
going around through that and

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I've gone to like the whole the
game, it's basically deleting

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the whole game thing, right?
It's like, I think the part that

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I'm at now, kind of just like
there's some different like

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special like like modified
versions that you can beat for

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achievements, seems to be what
I'm currently at.

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Right.
OK, well.

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Aaron, I'll put it this way,
that it is structured in such a

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way that makes it seem like now
I'm just at a point where it's

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just chasing achievements.
OK, I have stopped.

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All right, so I want to ask
something at the risk of

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spoiling something you haven't
discovered yet, but it's I, it

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sounds like it has.
So how many times have the rules

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and aesthetics changed for you?
Or or are you still in the

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second computer version because
the art style and the aesthetics

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changes?
4 * I There might be more to

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this game than you realize.
I thought.

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I thought I meant that.
There was the physical card game

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in the cabin, then there's the
computer, a version where you're

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kind of in a Portal style.
Then there was the one where it

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became like a top down retro
RPG.

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It kind of looks like an 8, an
NES game.

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Did you get to that one?
Yeah.

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And then?
And then the final one is the

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Yu-gi-oh version.
I don't know what that would

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mean.
OK, No, no, no.

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Like, yeah, just like literally,
I don't know what that

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description would look like.
Those words did nothing for you,

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correct?
You're like summoning the

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creatures and there's like a
holographic representation of

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them.
Where they're like out.

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So like, you're up at a distance
and there's like 4 out there

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that you put out, yeah.
OK, so I think you did finish

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the game.
Yeah, that's the part where like

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it's deleting stuff's deleting
as you're going.

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Yeah, yeah, that's the final
rendition of the card game.

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I don't know though, Like I
would love a sequel.

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I would love them to figure out
some way to make an actual, you

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know, card set you buy and
that's.

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Probably doable and I'm also
kind of glad that I going into

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that I did not know what other
games this developer has done.

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What have they done?
This is the same developer as

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Pony Island I.
Don't know what that is.

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That did nothing for me.
Pony Island is a game that

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starts off very straightforward
and gets very weird.

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OK.
Would you recommend it?

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Yes, ideally in a way that you
get it and then forget about

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this conversation for like 8
months, OK and then be like why

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do I have this and start playing
it.

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I'll do as much brain damage to
myself as possible, try to erase

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those memories.
Like it is definitely a game

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that, like when I played it a
while back, there's a couple

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people I'm like, hey, you need
to play.

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You need to get this game.
Don't look at what it is at all

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00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,520
and just start playing it.
OK, that sounds dope.

450
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,600
Well, leave a comment guys.
If you would also recommend Pony

451
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Island, you might you might
remember Mike, my older brother

452
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,280
moved to Colorado.
I.

453
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,040
Did not know that.
Are you discovering that right

454
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,800
now?
Correct.

455
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,920
Yes.
Oh, OK, well, Justin passed

456
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,480
guest on our Sonic and Golden
Axe episodes.

457
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,520
He has he has a little baby now
and the whole family moved to

458
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,040
Colorado and I was really bummed
about it.

459
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,320
But we've kind of been gaming
together more than we ever have

460
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,560
because he bought split fiction
for the Switch too.

461
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,880
And it has a friend pass all of
how Rhode Island, Rhode Island

462
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,720
and I played Little Nightmares 3
together.

463
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,720
It is a 3D adventure cooperative
game where the combat

464
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,680
situations, the puzzles, even
the story elements, you are

465
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,360
always needing to cooperate and
work together.

466
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,840
And you know, that kind of feeds
into the plot at all.

467
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,080
Is this is this the same
developers that did it takes 2?

468
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,400
Or is this just in the same
vein?

469
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,640
I was that it's exactly that
style of gameplay.

470
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:55,760
I honestly don't know.
Did it takes 2 and split fiction

471
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,760
come thrilling content come from
the same studio.

472
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,880
Look, I always like it when
Steve does this on the on the

473
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,920
cable club lead.
Yes, same studio.

474
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,720
Good call.
I've actually never played it

475
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,280
Takes 2, have you?
I have not cuz like it involves

476
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,840
a second person and that's a lot
of work.

477
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,760
OK, no, you know what, you're
kind of tied to another person.

478
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,400
Maybe you and I should mess
around a little bit, but the

479
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,640
game is kind of casual.
It sometimes borders on like

480
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,360
kind of sleepy because the
combat's not that tough and the

481
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,760
platforming is not that
intricate, but it's kind of fun

482
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,360
to just chop it up with Justin
and play that game together and

483
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,600
make little inside jokes.
And there are like flashes of

484
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320
brilliance.
So people who played it, if I

485
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,040
say hot dogs, you know exactly
what I'm talking about.

486
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,680
And that is a memorable moment.
There was a hilarious one where

487
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,400
in game I had to do 2 two factor
authentication.

488
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,320
So like on the cell phone in the
game, I'm putting in a code as

489
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,080
something hectic is happening
behind me and it's all very time

490
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,840
sensitive.
And then I get a phone call in

491
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,880
game and have to like ignore
it's just was it was so

492
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,000
immersive and I'm told the
climax of this game is truly

493
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,360
one-of-a-kind and really mind
blowing.

494
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:25,320
So I'm going to see it out.
Is sort of jarring to see a

495
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,040
Nintendo Switch game look this
good because like it's on the

496
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,280
switch to.
Have you cracked the seal on

497
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,440
that switch to yet?
I've.

498
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,160
Checked that it can like it's
plugged into charge, but I

499
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,600
haven't actually configured it.
I haven't had the time yet.

500
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,080
So is your is your switch to
debut game going to be Chibi

501
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,600
Robo?
I don't know.

502
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,560
OK, it it might be that it may
be.

503
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,000
Mario Kart.
It may be that Mario Kart cuz

504
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,760
it's there like I have it I
just.

505
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,680
Really like it I that I fall in
more in love with that game the

506
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,360
more I just play it.
I I think people are way too

507
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,720
hard on it.
It's actually funny I got Sonic

508
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,080
cross world racing but the
switch to patch doesn't come out

509
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,840
till early December.
So it's essentially everyone

510
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,760
buys the Switch version and then
you download a Switch to update

511
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,360
for 10 more bucks and now it
looks like a, you know, current

512
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,880
Gen. game.
So it's just sitting there on

513
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,160
the table.
I don't want to open it until

514
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,640
the game can look as good as it
possibly can.

515
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,560
So I'm holding off to starting
it.

516
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,000
But I'm having so much fun with
Mario Kart World.

517
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,480
But you you didn't seem taken
with it the few times you played

518
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,720
it.
Not really.

519
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:44,880
And I think it's if I wanted a
game that was go a go through a

520
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:50,800
track and get to the end of that
one linear track first, to me

521
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,640
that's other racing games like,
yeah, the the like I I think I

522
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,600
kind of crystallized.
Part of it is I think they've

523
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,880
added enough that for me it
stops having like the sort of

524
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,120
distilled down.
I know, I know what I'm

525
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,800
controlling and I may be bad at
it, but like, I know what I'm

526
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,240
controlling and what it's doing.
And part of it is just like

527
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,560
there, there's something about
coming back around me, like, oh,

528
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,960
hey, question box, that's
exactly what I need.

529
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,880
Dang it.
Wait, I put that there last lap,

530
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,840
didn't I?
Like that kind of a feeling.

531
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:29,480
And I so like even with Mario
Kart 8, kind of the shift away

532
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:36,040
from a lot to a larger set from
tracks that are, or as it

533
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,960
started to move to tracks that
are have a start and a finish

534
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,240
rather than laps.
I'm just not as much of a fan of

535
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,520
that with a Mario Kart format.
Yeah, 'cause I was going to say

536
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,560
your favorite racing game of all
time is that format.

537
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Yeah, but that's because then
it's much more about the it's

538
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,080
the actual racing, not the
items.

539
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,040
Yeah, he's, we're referring to
Cruise in USA, if you weren't

540
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,600
familiar.
Well, so yeah, I, I am

541
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,200
continuing to enjoy Mario Kart
World and I'm also enjoying

542
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,600
Split Fiction, so eager to see
how it ends.

543
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,840
It's a long game though, and
that was also kind of nice.

544
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Like Little Nightmares 3 was
pretty short, but this thing

545
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,120
looks like it's going to be, you
know, close to 20 hours of total

546
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,680
gameplay, which was more than I
expected.

547
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,800
Mike, what else you been
playing?

548
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,360
So I.
Have two others, so I'll start

549
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,360
with the one that I don't know
if you're familiar with, which

550
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,240
is Slate Aspire, which I have
had sitting in Steam for like

551
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,000
four years or something,
possibly close to as long as

552
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,280
that game's been out.
Yeah, it's been a while.

553
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,200
Just had never gotten around to
it because it's just been in

554
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,000
that backlog of games that I
have.

555
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,000
Yeah, yes, I have played it, I
have beaten it and I enjoy it.

556
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,560
I what?
This family goes through rogue

557
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,240
lights every now and then.
OK, so when you say beaten it,

558
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,080
what do you mean by that?
I didn't dabble in any of the

559
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,120
dlci know it has.
The game has expanded and

560
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,960
continued so for me it is the
heart.

561
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Killing the Heart of the Spire
is the end of the game for me.

562
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,800
OK, so I think 'cause the
interesting part about this,

563
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,240
'cause you have this structure
of your sort of you have at

564
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,240
least 4 characters to choose
from.

565
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,800
I don't know if there's more, I
just have 4 so far.

566
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,280
And then going through and
having to sort of work your way

567
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,480
up through levels and pick up
cards to get and you have like 3

568
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,800
acts of a bunch of levels to
procedurally generated maps.

569
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,280
And at the end you kind of have
like at the end of the third

570
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,520
act, if you can meet that boss.
Once you've done that, you can

571
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:56,400
now, with that same character,
redo that process at a higher

572
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,000
difficulty level.
Yeah.

573
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:06,160
So I have gotten through at the
base level, like actually, no,

574
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,120
I, I think on one of them I've
and I think that's the ascension

575
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,320
levels that I think go up to 20
per character.

576
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,160
So that sounds right.
I have one that I think I have

577
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,640
beaten with twice and I've got
another that I like and I can't

578
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,000
beat, I can't win with but I
keep going.

579
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,440
But the one with all the orbs?
Yes, yes, that one's confusing.

580
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,240
I I like it.
It's, I think it's it's I

581
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,520
haven't yet gotten the good
sense on how to get that into

582
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,640
like a solid working synergy and
honestly like the relics that

583
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,240
you pick up along the way.
Sometimes it's just if you get

584
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,320
the right thing to boost your
number of relics and it's like,

585
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,720
I can ride this the whole rest
of this run out.

586
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,960
It's like suddenly I have a lot
of extra relics and I just have

587
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,160
all these extra boosts so.
I and, and you know, being a

588
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,720
rogue like you're upgrading your
deck and you know, you are

589
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,720
discarding older cards that are
not as good of an attack thing.

590
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,240
So I would guess this scratched
a similar itch for you as

591
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:12,719
Bilatro.
I alright, I guess it probably

592
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,719
does.
It still has the same thing of,

593
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,040
you know, what is the figure out
the synergy, Yeah.

594
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,719
And find the combo.
Yeah.

595
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,120
Like or, which isn't even like
necessarily a roguelike thing,

596
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,920
but there's a there's a Japanese
board game that's called like

597
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,840
trains or something.
OK.

598
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,159
And it's one of these things
that has like a bunch of base

599
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:37,360
cards and then a bunch of
optional cards to add in.

600
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,280
And it's basically you're
building train routes and

601
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,440
building trains.
Yeah, the the exactly what the

602
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:48,719
box the name implies.
But you basically kind of at

603
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,960
random or however you want to do
it, add in a few other cards

604
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,239
into that whole thing.
And so when you're play playing

605
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,360
it, it becomes everybody is a
sort of in a race to figure out

606
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,240
what's the best synergy with the
particular set of cards we have.

607
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,680
Yeah, with some unique things.
And they're like, oh, what

608
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,400
what's the good angle to go for?
And I think it's I mean, it's

609
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,400
the same thing.
Why I found like to some extent,

610
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,720
like building Magic decks fun is
it's finding a thing is like I

611
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,440
like this and I can build up,
build something around this and

612
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,720
get it going.
Well, so I'm so stoked you

613
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:29,680
finally started Slave the Spire
and our cable club friends have

614
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,680
a dedicated discord for Slave
Slave the Spire, so I don't know

615
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,600
if you dropped in there and.
I post, I, I first of all, I

616
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,040
asked how long should I be going
into this to start sort of

617
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,000
getting the hang of it?
Yeah, just to be like, 'cause

618
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,080
I've got a couple of them, like
am I not, is this not clicking

619
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,480
for me yet or is this not going
to click?

620
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,840
Yeah, eventually it eventually
it started two more.

621
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,200
And so like I did, I did post
like my first, first win in

622
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,160
there.
Nice.

623
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,960
Nice.
Love to hear that.

624
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:06,560
Well, to me, I think that's a
perfect segue into your final

625
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,040
topic, which I'm trying not to
get too excited about.

626
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,120
That's probably for the best.
What's?

627
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,800
What's the last game you want to
talk about?

628
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,320
I have finally had enough time
that I sort of decided to down

629
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,400
download on my computer and try
out Marvel Snap.

630
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Oh.
My God, I've been waiting for

631
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,760
this moment.
My nipples are so hard.

632
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,600
Mike, even if you don't like it,
tell me what you think about

633
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:35,400
Marvel Snap.
I think my biggest issue with

634
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,080
with it is the game.
The gameplay never clicked for

635
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,320
me.
OK.

636
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,000
And it's just it never, it
always feels like the game is

637
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,920
over before anything has had the
chance to actually get

638
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,120
interesting.
OK, so the, the, the, the big

639
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,720
appeal of the game to me is the
three minute matches, six turns

640
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:02,240
only.
But for you, that's not allowing

641
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,000
the strategy to gestate to a
satisfying point.

642
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,520
Yeah, like if you like, it's
like, I mean, I've had ones

643
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,480
where it's like I won because
something random happened on,

644
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,880
you know, the term turn 3 reveal
and the other person's like

645
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,280
whoop, I'm done.
And it it where it's like, I

646
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,440
don't want to win that way.
Yeah.

647
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,120
But I mean, it does kind of have
a bit more of a gambly aspect to

648
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,240
that because what Mike's
referring to is that unlike most

649
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:33,880
competitive card games, you have
randomized locations that are

650
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,760
really the heart of the game.
Because the rules though, it's

651
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,520
basically three lanes and your
goal is to win two out of three

652
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:46,320
lanes, but the different effects
that can take place in each lane

653
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,320
are super wacky.
So this one is like, oh, the

654
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,200
lowest total number wins or in
this one, you just can't play

655
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,920
cards in this one.
So if you have a character that

656
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,440
moves like spider man and he
swings into there, you're set.

657
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,640
But unless you have that
specific deck built, you're kind

658
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:09,360
of at a huge disadvantage.
And so that is sort of something

659
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,640
the developers have been very
vocal about as part of the

660
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,440
gameplay.
You're not really supposed to

661
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,160
see it as individual matches,
but as your total progression

662
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,320
through the collection track.
Because another thing that makes

663
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:30,680
Marvel Snap unique is that you
have to decide how many cubes.

664
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,520
That's the game's kind of
currency for progression.

665
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:40,000
You want to wager on any given
match and if you stay to the end

666
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000
of the match and both players
have doubled down, you're

667
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,880
betting 8.
But if you know you're going to

668
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,080
lose early on, you can bet 1.
And that's why the game has no

669
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,720
Mulligan feature either.
If you draw a bad hand, you are

670
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,240
expected to just bail out
because we're going to get you

671
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:59,160
in another game within the next
30 seconds.

672
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,960
So I think that's why the the,
the brief nature of the matches

673
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,080
didn't bother me is that I never
dwell for very long at anyone

674
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,680
match.
I'm always just queuing it up.

675
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,320
And it's about the overall feel
of strategy growing and

676
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,560
collection, growing and
unlocking cool art and unlocking

677
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,560
cool.
You know, it's just, it's just a

678
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:26,160
constant endorphin drip for me.
Was there a particular type of

679
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,800
deck you were trying?
Like did you use the prebuilt

680
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,840
ones or did you mess with your
own strategy?

681
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,760
I think the main thing that I
had going was to Americans.

682
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,960
It's been a couple weeks since I
like, I feel like I, I put in

683
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,960
something like 20 hours of
trying to see if I can get and

684
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,440
it just it never.
And I think the constant

685
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,920
progression of like, Oh well,
there's always more cards that

686
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,200
you can't have yet, but without
direct control over which ones.

687
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,840
Yeah.
Kind of frustrate was

688
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,560
sufficiently frustrating, but I
know it's.

689
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,160
Had a lot that was working on
card destruction.

690
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,880
OK.
So which meant that it had like

691
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,640
Wolverine who gets destroyed and
then pops back somewhere and.

692
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,600
Yeah, and they're like this.
The symbiote cards like Carnage

693
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,000
and Venom will destroy your own
cards and get stronger for it.

694
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,360
And that's another thing I like
about it is that I feel like the

695
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,440
way that they integrated the
unique powers and personalities

696
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,720
of these characters and
translate that into a game rule,

697
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,920
I feel like felt clever.
Like it's like Captain America.

698
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,960
It's like we he makes the other
cards around him stronger

699
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,680
because he's the leader, You
know, Wolverine, he constantly

700
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,160
regenerates Nightcrawler, he can
move to somewhere else.

701
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,600
It always kind of, I shouldn't
say always, but for the most

702
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,040
part it makes sense to me.
I was curious though, because I

703
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,720
don't know a lot of people who
have just started the game and a

704
00:40:52,720 --> 00:41:01,200
big criticism is that the sheer
number of cards and the kind of

705
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,880
constant drip feed of giving you
new cards makes catching up and

706
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,280
getting competitive seem like an
impossible goal.

707
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,120
So it is a little disheartening
to hear you say that it was

708
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,400
frustrating seeing cards that
you're not allowed to choose

709
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,400
from or get yet.
But that's actually a great idea

710
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,760
though.
But there's been a lot of debate

711
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,040
in the community about how do we
snag new players.

712
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,520
And I think that that is a great
solution where if you're below a

713
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,680
certain collection level,
instead of making me open the

714
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,200
random booster packs, be like,
here's the here, you can choose

715
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,640
from these 150 cards because
there's 400 in the game now.

716
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,000
That's a lot of freaking
content.

717
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,480
So let new players, when they
unlock a new card, pick from the

718
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,400
1st 200 cards and build some
kind of strategy they're proud

719
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,120
of instead of, like you said,
rolling the dice.

720
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,280
You're smart, Mike.
Yeah.

721
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,240
And I feel like other games that
I played that kind of fall into

722
00:41:55,240 --> 00:42:04,000
this realm that are that are
sort of a more play against

723
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,280
another player card card game
that's deliberately designed for

724
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,800
for like digital.
It's not we've adapted a

725
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,640
physical thing.
Yeah.

726
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,800
Both of those, I think one of
those I think technically

727
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,160
started off as pay as initially
like it was a cost to get, but

728
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,360
you could get everything more
directly.

729
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,200
What is it?
I think I, I used to play both

730
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,080
Scrolls and Feria and I think
Feria is still around and at

731
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Scrolls is not.
But both of those I felt it was

732
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,280
a bit easier to be like, this is
the direction I want to go for

733
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,320
and there was sort of a way to
kind of target that.

734
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,400
Yeah.
In this I like you bring up

735
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,880
Carnage and Venom, which I had
carnage because Carnage I

736
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,120
think's the cheaper 1.
I had that one and like I would

737
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,640
see a venom like that's perfect
for what I'm trying to do here

738
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,280
and I do not really have a a way
to get it, but I keep getting

739
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,120
other cards I don't care about.
Right, Yeah, that's frustrating.

740
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Now they they did recently start
adding themed booster packs that

741
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,880
are real cheap.
It's like 1000 collector tokens,

742
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,560
which you'll unlock not not
immediately, but it doesn't take

743
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,160
that long.
And it's like this is the

744
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,720
destroy booster pack and it's
all cards for that strategy.

745
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,560
So I do see them trying to
address it through that.

746
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,640
Which is there.
I did not see that when I was

747
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,480
looking at the stuff available.
And some of that is there's so

748
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,800
much stuff in that store that I
may well have just missed where

749
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,280
things were because there was
like 5 different tabs to that

750
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,280
thing.
Yeah, there's the like aesthetic

751
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,400
store and then there's the card
store and then there's like the,

752
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,280
I don't know, user actual money
store.

753
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,640
I don't know.
It's it.

754
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,760
I don't I'm not overwhelmed by
the micro currencies as I am in

755
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,720
a lot of free to play games.
But I as much as it's not

756
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,440
grabbing you, I would encourage
you to to not uninstall it

757
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,720
because I think you should at
least try some of the limited

758
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:10,320
time game modes twice a month.
They'll change the rules.

759
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,760
And so like when I favorite one,
it's called Sanctum Showdown.

760
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,040
It's all Doctor Strange themed.
But the way that that works is

761
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:25,080
that the three lanes have a
value that changes from turn to

762
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,120
turn.
And so it's like, OK, at the end

763
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,680
of turn 2, the middle lane is
worth the most points.

764
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,480
So if you're winning at the end
of Turn 2, you get a point on

765
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,560
the scoreboard and it's whoever
can get first to 16 points.

766
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,600
So the games tend to be a little
bit longer.

767
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,760
I think I did try that one and
there was also the one where

768
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:50,400
like they up how much the energy
you have with like.

769
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,960
A yeah, well, there's two modes
that do that.

770
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,520
There's it's there's called
OverDrive where you get a ton of

771
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,200
energy and then there's the one
where you choose the Champions

772
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,600
and you get this pre built deck
OverDrive with one extra.

773
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,800
So it was the OverDrive one.
Yeah, OK.

774
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,680
With the end was that, I mean, I
feel like you had all this

775
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,440
energy, but you didn't have a
lot of cards.

776
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,640
You were excited to play with
it.

777
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:18,120
I think I had something else I
was working trying out more for

778
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,640
that one.
But but yeah, it just it didn't

779
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,080
have.
I never felt sort of like I was

780
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,000
in the position to have the
cards there's after any.

781
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,640
And again, it just all of them
to me.

782
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:35,840
And early enough that, you know,
any card game has like this

783
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,040
element of randomization in
there 'cause I mean, like you're

784
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,200
drawing cards, you're not fully
in control.

785
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:46,160
But a lot of others feel like
they go on long enough usually

786
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,520
that you hit a point where it's
like, OK, at this point luck's a

787
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:56,800
part of this, but skill is a
dominant thing and luck is going

788
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,760
to skew it for people that are
close.

789
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,080
Whereas this felt a lot more
scattershot.

790
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,920
Yeah, because of the locations
and because of the 12 card

791
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,960
decks.
And yeah, there's a there's a

792
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,440
lot I can see there.
You are in our alliance, aren't

793
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:13,960
you?
Yes.

794
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,560
Oh, are you Davin?
Yes.

795
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,560
Hey, I'm embarrassed.
I didn't recognize that.

796
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,920
I was like that looks familiar.
Well, anyone else who is playing

797
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,640
Marvel Snap search for NES.
It's the Nintendo Power

798
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,000
Alliance, and that is the
official alliance.

799
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,680
I apologize for some of the
names in there.

800
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,400
I asked the Internet.
Yeah, it's the Internet.

801
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,800
I don't want to just kick them
out without talking to them, but

802
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,880
they haven't responded to my
chat request in game.

803
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,120
So hey, if you're listening, you
know who join our discord so we

804
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,880
can have a chat about your
freaking username.

805
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,560
But anyway, I, I think it's fun.
Well, Mike, any other games you

806
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,040
want to talk about?
Are we going to wrap it up here?

807
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,960
I I think that covers it for
today.

808
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,040
That's a solid balance of
things.

809
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,320
Absolutely, it was fun.
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810
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,920
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811
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815
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,400
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816
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819
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820
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,440
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821
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,880
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