BONUS | Screentime: Return to Silent Hill (2026) Review & Plot Breakdown

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I I've led to believe there's
going to be a new Silent Hill

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film this October, Derek.
With this director coming back,

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is he?
Playing.

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I want to go see it.
Let's go, Let's do it.

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Can you imagine if on the
podcast, everyone he rejected

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me?
He's like, you know, I'll let

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you know.
I'll see what I'm doing that

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day.
Welcome back to the old

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Switcheroo, where we're normally
talking gaming retro with Mike

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and Jamo.
I'm not Mike.

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But I'm Jamo.
In this special screen time

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episode, we're taking a break
from our usual quest to research

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and review every game in the
Nintendo Classics library to

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bring you our hot takes on the
2026 Christophe Gonz horror film

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Return to Silent Hill.
If you like what you hear, don't

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forget to like and subscribe and
follow, and give us your

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thoughts in the comments below.
Joining me once again is good

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friend of the show Derek Mcduff
from the Underrated Movie

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Podcast.
Derek, I am so excited to talk

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to you about a surreal,
oppressive, nightmarish world

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that's fictional.
How did it finally feel seeing

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this movie after so very long?
Yeah, It was one of those things

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where we're like, is this ever
going to happen?

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Is this just an Internet rumor?
Does this movie actually exist?

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It felt good.
Yeah, it did feel, it felt like

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there was closure.
Yes, exactly.

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In a movie all about closure.
Right.

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It was like when Avatar 2
finally came out and you're

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like, James Cameron's been
making this thing for 14 years

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or whatever.
Does this exist?

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Or like The New Mutants, you're
like, is this thing ever going

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to show up?
And finally, we got these

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movies.
Yeah, fine.

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And I like New Mutants, and I
won't get into how I thought

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about this movie, but it's
somewhat similar.

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So, Derek, you were kind enough
to invite me onto your show for

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the 2024 Halloween episode in
which we both gushed over the

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2006 Silent Hill film that
kicked off this franchise.

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I was audacious enough to ask
you to see the next film in the

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series with me if it ever gets
released.

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We went last night, Universal
Cinema at Citywalk.

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What a beautiful theater, huh?
Right, That theater was so cool.

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I was geeking out looking at
they have a lot of you know,

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like props and like costumes and
stuff like that.

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There's like a whole almost food
court.

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There's like an upstairs bar
that has like exclusive like

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drinks that you could only get
there, you know, like there's

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like the I got the Jurassic
waters.

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So it was, it was the vibes were
were pretty on point there.

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Yeah, and we had a great time
next door at Margaritaville.

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We held off talking about the
movie afterwards to save it for

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the pod, but we did run into
this silent turn to Silent Hill.

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Standee outside and a couple of
strangers are nice to take our

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picture.
And I had this photo experiment

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of let's make a face to reflect
how we feel about the movie, but

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don't look at it until we're
recording.

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So Derek is sending me the photo
right now and we're going to

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look at it together for the
first time because I don't know

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how Derek feels about this
movie.

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And it is, oh man, we almost
look like the sock and booskin

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masks, like the happy one and
the sad one.

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Like, oh, man, you look, you
look like a sad boy, Derek.

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See, I I, I was you.
I was not sure what you were

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doing.
I had a feeling you liked the

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movie.
I didn't hate it.

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I was trying to do a meh kind of
face, just kind of like, yeah,

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you know, it was whatever kind
of face.

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Well, let's get into the details
of it here.

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We're going to be talking about
Return to Silent Hill starring

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Jeremy Irvine and Hannah Emily
Anderson, released in theaters

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worldwide 2026.
As described on imdb.com, when a

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man receives A mysterious letter
from his lost love, he is drawn

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to Silent Hill, a once familiar
town now consumed by darkness.

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So let's take a quick look at
the poster, since it's sometimes

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people's first impressions.
You have this very color, muted,

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almost grayscale image of James,
your protagonist, walking past

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the iconic Welcome to Silent
Hill sign while the movie's

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title and specs float in the fog
above.

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Derek, how do you feel about
this poster and especially

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compared to other Silent Hill
posters?

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Yeah, I like it.
It feels like it calls back to

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that original 2006 Silent Hill
poster quite a bit.

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Like it feels really reminiscent
of that.

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It's understated, it's
interesting.

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It kind of draws you in.
I love the, you know, how washed

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out it is.
But then you have the color of

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the title Return to Silent Hill
in the red makes it stand out so

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much more.
So I like this a lot.

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The poster.
Yeah.

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And it is kind of like you can
tell like, oh, you didn't really

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get any big names because your
lead actor isn't even.

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I mean, the name is tiny on
there and facing away.

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So I think it kind of sets your
expectations for what this movie

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is gonna be.
So it was distributed by

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Syniverse with a budget of $23
million, which is like less than

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half of the original movie, but
3,000,000 more than Revelation.

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Now, granted, that was 20
million, you know, back when

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Revelation came out, so adjusted
for inflation.

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Right 2012 movie.
Right.

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Exactly.
Yeah.

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It was directed and written by
Christophe Gonz, and it was

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based heavily on the events of
the 2001 PS2 horror game of the

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Silent Hill Two.
Gonz first mentioned working on

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a film adaptation in November of
2006 after the modest success of

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the first entry in the
franchise.

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But according to a 2020
interview with Otto Sinai, the

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guns pulled out of that project
to stay, quote UN quote,

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Truder's principles when it
became clear the studios wanted

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to make a Resident Evil style
action blockbuster and he was

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uninterested in that.
But Derek, you're a Resident

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Evil boy.
You're not really a Silent Hill

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boy.
I'm a Resident Evil Game Boy,

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not a Game Boy, but that's gonna
be the.

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Yeah, yes.
But I I quite like the Resident

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Evil games.
I quite dislike Paul Wes

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Anderson's, Paul WS Anderson.
There's too many.

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Anderson during the Wes Anderson
Resident Evil I would watch.

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Paul, not Paul Thomas Anderson
not Paul, not Wes Anderson, but

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Paul WS Anderson.
Yes, him.

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I don't like his series of
Resident Evil movies and I do

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feel like Silent Hill
Revelations 3D, which we also

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covered on the Patreon when I
did my whole 3D thing.

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Check it out.
Yep, Yep.

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Is is very much in that style of
the video game movies of that

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era of the, you know, Paul Wes
Anderson, Paul WS Anderson once.

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Yeah, totally.
And so in that same interview,

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Ganz announced that he had
finished storyboards for Return

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to Silent Hill after being
inspired by PT, the playable

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teaser for the infamously
cancelled Silent Hills, an entry

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in the horror franchise that
would have been directed by

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Hideo Kojima, Guillermo del
Toro, and starring Norman Reedus

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as the player character.
Did you ever check this out?

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I did not.
I, I mean, I think you mentioned

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it to me when we were on one of
those two podcasts we were on,

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but I never got a chance to
check it out.

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Yeah, it's really cool.
I mean, just the creative team

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of Hideo Kajima.
He makes the Metal Gear Solid

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games, Guillermo del Toro,
right?

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You're intimately familiar with
him.

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Yes.
And then Norman Reedus starring

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as the main character like this.
They were they were cooking.

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And you know, there was creative
differences, AKA Kojima just

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wasn't treated very well.
That's how it seems to be.

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Most people's like I want, I
want 30 minute cutscenes.

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I mean, he can have them.
Yeah, well, apparently not in

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this one.
I guess not.

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I guess.
But you got Norman Reedus, you

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know, put him on the screen for
a while.

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So before we go into the joy
pros and joy cons of each

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section of the movie, what was
your overall impression of

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Return to Silent Hill?
My it was it's just because we

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talked about the long road to
this movie getting, you know,

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made and getting released and it
clearly, you know, so he,

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Christophe Gonz makes the first
one.

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He he makes it with Roger Avery,
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He drops out of the second one,
like you mentioned, and then,

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you know, that those were actual
studio films.

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But I think he's never let go of
like, I want to make another

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Silent Hill movie.
And it just gestated for years

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and became this passion project.
And sometimes when a director

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has an idea, they won't let go
for a while and they're just

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cooking so long, it can get a
little bit muddled, especially

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when it's like, OK, well, the
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It's an independent thing made
in Serbia.

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And it kind of the best way I
can put this is it feels like a

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sci-fi original movie in almost
every respect in terms of the

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effects, in terms of the pacing,
in terms of the acting

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especially.
This movie is very, very much

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like you.
You're flipping channels in 2012

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on sci-fi and this, this shit
just comes up on the screen.

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That's the vibe it gives me.
Yeah, I, I also, you know, a few

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minutes in, it struck me like,
oof, this acting is or off.

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I will put it in somewhat the
same boat of the acting of the

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first two films in the franchise
in that when characters are

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speaking and they're trying to
sound casual, it's so awkward.

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And every line delivery is just
like, that was the take you went

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with, really.
But then I don't know about you,

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but once Silent Hill rust starts
flying, I felt that Jeremy

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Irvine had some genuine moments
of like, oh, he looks terrified

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and deeply exasperated and like
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and he's like, choking on water.
And just like, I don't know.

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I thought he did a decent job in
the horror scenes.

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Would you not agree?
I thought he was fine.

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You know, I mean, I, I, I kind
of disagree.

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I remember you saying something
similar about the like bad line

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delivery when we talked about
the first one.

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I think, you know, the the first
one has some really talented

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actors, you know, Sean Bean and
and all of them and Raheed and

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Michelle and all, you know, just
Deborah Sue Unger, Carrie

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Suinger.
I can't remember her name at the

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top of my head, but they're
really good.

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And then even the sequel, which
is a really bad movie, has like

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big actors, you know, and like
Carrie Anne Moss bad doing camp,

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I think is better than just a
bad actress, you know, like,

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like, so I I didn't love it.
There was a couple, you know,

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Hannah Emily Anderson, who plays
the 18 women in this movie.

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OK, in some roles, but like
overall, just yeah, this the

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acting was was a little bit, it
was, you know, kind of like, Oh

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yeah, this is this is an
independent film.

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Right.
I definitely had to adjust my

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expectations of like, OK, the
acting's not going to be good,

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JMO, just accept that and try to
find the good around that.

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I also agree, I don't think, I
don't think she was it.

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I think that she and Jeremy
Irvine only had chemistry when

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they were kissing.
I feel like that was the whole

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audition was like, just like, he
looks best in a kiss.

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And I was like, OK, you know,
this is this is good.

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And then they started talking to
each other again.

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I was like, not not great, but
worse.

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Worse for me was just the
egregious use of just CG

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backgrounds that were just very
low quality.

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I don't want to accuse them of
using AI because I think it

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would have looked better if they
had, but it was just there's so

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many shots of him like walking
through a town and you're like,

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they did not film any of this on
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Did you notice that a lot that,
like everything behind him, was

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always very cutscene looking?
Yeah, and it had a very digital,

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glossy look.
And one of the things I brought

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up in that episode that I really
like about the first one is that

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a lot of that film is shot on
film.

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You know, what's what gives us
this grainy, you know, very

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spooky, lived in feel that it
feels very appropriate.

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They do shoot a lot of the dark
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shooting on film these days.
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notable difference.
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still some films that like
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film because they wanted to keep
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original trilogy.
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that this is a lot of, you know,
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digitally, a lot of digital,
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a lot, not a lot of practical
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And it felt in contrast with a
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movie that made the first one so
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Yeah, you and I have talked
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Welcome to Silent Hill.
Sign is great sign, great mood

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setting.
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of those like even that was ACG.
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like go to Home Depot, get some
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mean?
Yeah, like, like, make the

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effort, guys, come on.
OK, so let's go over the joy

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pros and joy cons of each
section of the movie.

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We're going to walk through the
Wikipedia Plot Summary, so.

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Wait, this movie had a plot?
Yeah, OK.

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All right.
Calm there.

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Calm down there.
I'm gonna fight you on this one.

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Full spoilers from here on out.
So some time ago, artist James

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Sunderland has a chance meeting
with Mary Crane as she's leaving

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her hometown of Silent Hill.
When he inadvertently causes her

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to miss a bus, she decides to go
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James offers her a ride and they
spark a romance, eventually

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moving in together in Silent
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In the present day, James has
moved away and become an

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alcoholic following the end of
his relationship with Mary, and

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he's in contact with a
psychologist who is concerned

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about his mental well-being.
He receives a letter from Mary

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beckoning back to Silent Hill,
and he hastily returns.

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He discovers the town is covered
in fog and falling ash has been

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almost entirely abandoned due to
an unspecified illness that has

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killed many.
He meets a woman named Angela

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and is later attacked by a
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Any takeaways from the start of
the movie, Derek?

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Yeah, it's the star movie is
very disorienting.

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But I mean, I feel like that's
that's what it's going for.

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The characters, I will say, as
they're introduced here, don't

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feel so much like characters as
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you know?
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reason of that is that while
Christoph Ganz returned, you

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know, from that original film,
Roger Avery did not, you know,

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and I think that Avery is what
made those characters in the

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2006 Silent Hill film so
memorable.

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You know, like he won, he won a
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screenplay of Pulp Fiction.
Pulp Fiction has some very, very

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notable characters, you know.
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missing and I was thinking a lot
of, you know, the 28 Days or 20

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Years Later films, which also
were like, OK, this is a horror

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franchise from the early 2000s
that got a sequel where the none

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of the creative team was
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third film years later.
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though, is that both writing and
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to collaborate once again.
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of the team, and I feel like you
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where there's the spooky vibes,
there's the disorienting nature

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that is all still here, and that
all still works for me.

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But you're missing the things
that tie it all together that

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make the character so strong.
Yeah, I I could see that.

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A big theme I think of our
discussion tonight is going to

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be that Silent Hill 2 is my
favorite horror game of all

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time.
I know the story backwards and

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forwards.
I know all of these characters

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and so I think for me it was
enabling me to appreciate things

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a bit more because I kind of saw
where they were attempting and

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my my nostalgia brain and love
for that game was kind of giving

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a little bit of like half credit
for the attempt because I knew

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the idea is really cool.
So like, for example, the

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psychologist, an interesting
part of this movie is that your

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protagonist is getting cell
phone calls from his therapist,

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and she is this unnamed
character who is always on

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screen.
And it's kind of like she's

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viewed through almost like a
diamond prism.

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So like, the view of her is
always very disorienting.

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You never really get a clear
picture of her, but it's like a

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call back to one of my favorite
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called Shattered Memories.
Are you familiar?

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I've heard of it, but I don't
know much about it.

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Really, really cool twist in
this game is that it has a

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narrator and it's a
psychologist.

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And in between levels it talks
to you, the player, and it gives

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you like Rorschach tests and it
gives you like really unsettling

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questions.
And based on how you answer

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those questions, the Silent Hill
world in game will change.

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So if you answer the questions
with a little bit of thirst to

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you, then the enemies get more
sexual.

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If you answer that questions
angrily, enemies become more

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aggressive.
It's a really cool thing where

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it's like establishing that the
protagonists are mentally

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troubled, and that's coloring
your perception of this world.

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And so, you know, we will see
that later on in the plot.

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But the moment I saw this
ongoing conversation with the

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therapist, I was like, oh,
that's neat.

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Like some Chris, I think
Christophe Gonz, like, he's a

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noted fan of the franchise.
Yeah.

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And so I think he totally played
that one.

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Yeah, and I, I will say that's
another example of like, I don't

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think that those scenes were
incredibly well written, but I

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think they were very well shot.
You know, like for example, like

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when we first meet that
character, as you mentioned, she

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is you're kind of like looking
at her through like the bottom

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of her glass table.
So she's it's kind of like

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viewing her through this prism.
And that's whenever she she's

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only speaking to James on the
phone there, she's basically

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just being a foil to him.
And the moment when we start to

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take see things from her
perspective, when she's not just

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the voice or like the person on
the other end of the phone, when

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she's actually doing some
things, taking some agency, the

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perspective shifts.
We don't, we're not seeing her

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from under the glass table
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We're seeing her dead on.
So now she is not just like

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being viewed through this prism,
through James's point of view.

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Now we're seeing her clearly.
Yeah, and and she'll show up

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later in the movie and what I
thought was a kind of an

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interesting kind of mid movie
twist.

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Any love for the attack of the
armless monster, the

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straitjacket monster?
Because that was something from

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the original movie.
That was the very first monster

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that Rose encountered.
And in this one you see that

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it's like it's acid spit just
completely dissolved like a poor

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homeless man.
And but I don't know.

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But also though, I'm like man,
those look real CG.

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They did look real CG.
I mean, I do appreciate that he

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used dancers to portray those
characters and dancers with

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their hands behind their backs.
And then I think just put a big

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CG overlay on the OR whatever.
But I did think they were, they

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were unnerving.
They were disturbing.

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There was a lot of, you know,
disturbing imagery in this

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obviously pulled right out of
the games.

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And when we first see them, I
was kind of like, whoa, these

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are creepy, especially when they
melt that homeless guy.

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You know, I was just like, all
right, we're not messing around.

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You know, I didn't necessarily
feel like James was in any

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danger at any point when those
were happening, but I still felt

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like the imagery was very
striking.

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Yeah, and it's something I love
too.

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Is also a fan of the games.
You know a mechanic in the games

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that you always find a radio and
the radio will turn to static

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when a monster nears?
Oh, I I could tell even without

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playing the games, it's like,
that is some shit 100% from the

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games.
Like there's no way that that

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like, oh, the monsters are near
the radio static is happening.

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It's like, OK, well that's the
most video game thing I've ever

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seen.
Yeah, it's super video game, but

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also they did a little extra
thing with it because there was

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like this classical music coming
out of the radio and we'll find

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out why later in the film.
So let's get a little further in

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here.
The town transforms into a

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twisted nightmare version of
itself, and James is forced to

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flee to Woodside apartment
building where he and Mary once

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lived.
Inside, he meets a violent and

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mentally unstable man named
Eddie and a young girl named

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Laura.
James learns that Mary was taken

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to Brookhaven Hospital and then
encounters A ghoulish figure

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known as Pyramid Head who
frightens Eddie away.

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After a tense encounter, James
wakes up back in the real Silent

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Hill, where he again encounters
Angela and Laura.

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Laura claims that she knew Mary,
and James soon meets a woman

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named Maria who looks almost
exactly like Mary and offers to

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take him to Brookhaven.
Along the way, James recalls

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several memories of learning
that Mary was involved in a cult

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operating in Silent Hill that
was founded by her father.

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After seeing her being drugged
and taking part in arcane

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ritual, he and Mary broke up and
he left Silent Hill.

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So this is where they divert
wildly from the plot of the

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games.
In Silent Hill two, there is no

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overarching Mary was actually
involved in demons, it was just

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purely a reflection of James's
personal misery, and she's dying

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from an unknown illness in the
game, and they decide here to

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tie it to some weird cult
ritual.

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I think this was one of the
bigger misses of the movie.

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But how did you take this whole
thing?

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I, I didn't mind it, you know,
not having that, you know,

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protective like ideal of the
game.

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I thought it was a way to bring
back it back to like, oh,

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there's spooky like cult stuff
happening here in Silent Hill.

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That was such a big part of
Silent Hill 2006.

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So I thought that it worked and
it made sense that it's a way

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for us to get the cold and for
to get all the stuff that was

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going on behind the scenes in
Silent Hill that we would not

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have otherwise in like, you
know, an hour and 40 minute

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movie had a chance to do.
Yeah, yeah, I guess so.

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I think my problem with it is
that I never fully understood

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what ritual was taking place
because, like, she's in a

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basement with all these cultists
and they make her drink

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something and then they drink
her blood.

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Is that what's going on?
I mean, I understood what was

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happening with that about as
much as I understood anything

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else that was happening with
this movie.

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So not at all.
Got it.

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But like, I mean, I don't know.
I also don't know if this is a

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movie you should see sober
because like there's like some

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there's some lines where it's
like leading up to this, there's

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a flashback of the cult just
meeting in Mary's apartment.

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And James is like, what are
those weirdos doing back here?

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And she's like, I don't know,
they just stopped by and he's

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like 20 people just stopped by,
you know, and it's like.

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Which I think was supposed to be
funny.

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Like the whole theater laughed,
you know, I, I thought that was

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supposed to be, you know, a
laugh line and it if it worked

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either way.
Yeah.

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And I also kind of popped off
when like, she has the little

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throne to her dad and it's like
the same demonology symbol we've

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seen from the other movies.
Like, I don't, I don't mind

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that.
I just feel like how exactly the

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cult was killing her.
It says, oh, they've been

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poisoning her for years.
We're going to find that out in

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the next scene.
But I didn't really understand

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what she was exactly being
poisoned with.

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And also there's a scene where
James is up against one of the

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barriers that's keeping him from
leaving the town.

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And there's like radiation
symbols, like biohazard symbols.

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And I'm like, what are they
implying here?

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Because it used to always just
be like, it was the fires that

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were started, you know, in the
in the Silent Hill movie

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universe.
But I think this is also

445
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,840
supposed to be like a reboot.
Right, it's a like I think The

446
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,560
thing is it's it's kind of like
maybe it's connected to Silent

447
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,320
Hill one and two, or maybe it's
like it doesn't have to be it's

448
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,400
and the the plot of this movie
is so, you know, nebulous that I

449
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,200
think it really kind of doesn't
matter.

450
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,080
I do what that is.
One of the things I like about

451
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:05,880
the O61 is that I will say that
the cult stuff in that feels so

452
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:13,680
much more meaningful, and it is
the themes of it tie into the

453
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,840
script.
Whenever the cult stuff is

454
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,160
happening, it's because it is so
tied into what the movie is

455
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,720
trying to tell you.
Worse here, it just feels like

456
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,040
it's because it's in Silent
Hill.

457
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,120
You need to have some cult
stuff.

458
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,760
Yeah.
And there's like all these parts

459
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,480
of like the witches and all
these, like, older women being,

460
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,400
like, scary.
And I was like, that's so

461
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,000
opposite of like the kind of
female empowerment, like, you

462
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,000
know, focus of the 2006
movement, not empowerment.

463
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,080
That's not the right word, but
like, you know, kind of casting

464
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:45,960
a lot of female characters that
defy stereotypes and.

465
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,440
Noise and because that one was
originally supposed to like not

466
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,640
even have any male characters,
which is interesting because

467
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,600
yeah, this one does feel a lot
less progressive in that way,

468
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,240
even though it was Co written by
a woman.

469
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,680
Sandra Vo on Co wrote this movie
along with Kristoff Gonz and

470
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:09,840
Will Schneider.
Yeah, so this this is where the

471
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,360
movie starts to get pretty
intense.

472
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,760
But before we get to that part
though, Mary slash Maria.

473
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,520
So did you clock that?
They were like, it's supposed to

474
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,480
be kind of the same.
I mean, it's the same actress.

475
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,960
Yeah, as as soon as she was
like, oh, I look just like her,

476
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,640
I was like, Oh yeah, that is the
same actress.

477
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,840
And then when she said my name
is Maria, so I'm like, OK, so

478
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,920
Mary, I get it.
Right.

479
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,160
But like, I felt like it was a
pretty terrible wig and I think

480
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,680
they made AI think they made a
pretty big mistake in that they

481
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,400
like.
Not the worst, not the worst

482
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,240
fake hair that you've seen in
this movie, but who's the worst?

483
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,160
His beard.
His fake beard that shows up

484
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,840
later is one of the worst I've
ever seen in my.

485
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,440
Life.
I was too along for the ride.

486
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,120
I didn't even noticed.
It was, it's rough.

487
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,280
And I've apparently I've been,
I've seen some memes and stuff

488
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,240
about it too.
Like it is, it is.

489
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,920
People are roasting it.
It is spirit Halloween level

490
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,560
fake beard.
It's like what I it was a beard

491
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,760
that I would have made when I
took theatrical makeup in

492
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,440
college and got AC.
Yeah, I get it, Eddie, a strange

493
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,200
character because in the game
you meet all these different

494
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,760
people and they are each going
through their own turmoil.

495
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,800
And Eddie's was, he was
horrendously bullied for being a

496
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,160
large young man.
And he takes all of that anger

497
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,360
and he lashes out at people
violently for it, Angela.

498
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,720
So we're going to be discussing
some pretty heavy stuff here.

499
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,720
But like, Angela in the games is
a victim of of sexual abuse.

500
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,680
And that's like the trauma that
she's dealing with.

501
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,160
And then you have James, right?
So like all these different

502
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,680
characters are gathering in
Silent Hill because trauma draws

503
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,360
them here to this place where
they're kind of tortured.

504
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,840
And in some levels, they're
looking for something cathartic

505
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,640
so they can move past whatever
horrible thing has happened.

506
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,120
But this movie, they, they put
Eddie in the movie, but he's

507
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,880
only there for a single scene
and you never see him again.

508
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,280
And it kind of felt like, why
did you bother writing and

509
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,400
casting that character?
He didn't do anything with it.

510
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,960
Yeah.
I was like, oh, so is he gonna

511
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,600
come back?
And it's like, no, I'm like,

512
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,040
well, what was the point of that
guy?

513
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,360
Like it?
Yeah.

514
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,840
I just felt like we got to put
this guy in the movie because

515
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,600
he's in the game.
We got to put him in here.

516
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,160
But he doesn't look like
anything like that in the game.

517
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,200
But it is kind of a similar sort
of like, oh, I love this

518
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,840
because, you know, this is
paradise.

519
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,120
All the normies are gone.
So, you know, I like a lot of

520
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:25,840
this movie.
That was a missed opportunity,

521
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,800
so shortly after arriving at the
hospital, Maria discovers an

522
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,920
audio tape explaining that Mary
was poisoned.

523
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,520
The hospital transforms into a
nightmarish version of itself

524
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,360
and Maria is horribly wounded by
monstrous nurses.

525
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,880
Any love for the monster nurse
attack in this movie?

526
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,400
You know what?
It was more subtle than the last

527
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,960
time there was Sexy Nurse.
With the porn sounds.

528
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,280
Yeah, like when you, I think the
way you put it was sexy nurse

529
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,720
jungle Jimming like, yeah, yeah,
there was.

530
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,640
So, you know, it was a little
more restraint than that.

531
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,640
But yeah, I mean, it's fine.
You know, it's, it's, it's

532
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,400
iconic imagery from the games
like Pyramid Head or anything

533
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,280
else.
Yeah.

534
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,960
And, and I, like I said in our
previous episodes together, it

535
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,160
does make more sense in this
story because I don't know if he

536
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,200
picked up on it, but like, James
is supposed to be sexually

537
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:15,040
frustrated by his wife being so
sick and by by leaving her.

538
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,880
And like the nurses being so
sexualized and so aggressive and

539
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,480
so faceless is a manifestation
of James's sexual frustration.

540
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,760
And it's interesting because in
this movie, they kind of clamor

541
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,440
towards them and James is at an
elevator trying to hold them off

542
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,240
and one slips past him and stabs
Maria, I thought pretty

543
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,520
brutally, you know, and I like
that scene because melee combat

544
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,680
is a big part of the Silent Hill
franchise.

545
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,520
So I just love seeing James
going and swinging because

546
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,920
that's that's very much a part
of the games.

547
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,840
So and.
They were in the hospital, so it

548
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,320
made sense that there were
nurses there.

549
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,000
I will say, you know, they
didn't just kind of show up

550
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,400
because they needed nurses, you
know, like they need to put the

551
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,880
spooky nurses somewhere.
Like if you're gonna have the

552
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,040
spooky nurses somewhere, put
them in the hospital.

553
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,720
Makes sense to.
Me exactly.

554
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,960
Yeah, it'd be weirder in the
school, right?

555
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,760
So I'm gonna I'm gonna have a
bone to pick with the Wikipedia

556
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,080
summary.
It says James is forced to

557
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,200
abandon the injured Maria.
Not really.

558
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,720
He kind of just.
He just kind of FS off.

559
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,080
He's just gonna like, here's
some gauze, I'll see you later.

560
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,000
We just made out, but I don't
like you anymore.

561
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,520
But I sort of liked how detached
the characters were from common

562
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,840
sense or like empathy with each
other.

563
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,400
It made it feel very surreal and
dreamlike and kind of like what

564
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,280
is going on here, like.
It's almost like an experimental

565
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,920
film or like a music video.
Even at times where it doesn't

566
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,800
feel like it plays, it plays
more on dream logic than it does

567
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,920
by like traditional movie logic
where you like, things make

568
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,800
sense.
It's like, no, like things just

569
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,120
start just kind of happening in
whatever order and your things

570
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,520
are half remembered and you're
like, you know, people like,

571
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,240
well, how long ago were you here
with, you know, with your

572
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,440
girlfriend?
He's like, ah, I don't know,

573
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,160
like it's, it's all very vague
and you know, the way things are

574
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,200
flashing back and forth between
the past and the present and

575
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,200
like reality slash what is not
reality.

576
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,280
And just, it's all kind of
jumbled up together in a way

577
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,600
where you're feel like you're,
you're having a dream or you're

578
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,840
describing something you can't
quite remember.

579
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,680
Yeah, and it's then after that
attack that James finds the

580
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,360
giant insect version of Mary,
which felt like a weird callback

581
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,320
to the second Silent Hill movie.
There's a there's a big bug in

582
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,000
the second Silent Hill movie
that like tears its own head off

583
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,600
and is clamoring at them.
And I even turned to you and

584
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,800
said, Oh my God, that thing is
back from the second movie.

585
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,160
It's it's, it's very weird.
It feels very like you said,

586
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,040
sci-fi original movie.
Like oh generic big spooky bug

587
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,800
you're.
Right.

588
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,840
I did find it surprising and
interesting though that So.

589
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,080
Are you familiar with the legacy
of the Silent Hill 2 trailer?

590
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:06,160
Back in like 2000s early odds,
it shocked the gaming world and

591
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,040
all gaming journalists because
it depicted a scene of Pyramid

592
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,320
Head in what appeared to be
committing sexual violence

593
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,840
against one of the other
monsters.

594
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,360
And everyone was like Oh my God
I have never seen something.

595
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,080
This is your advertising.
The Are you even allowed to put

596
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,600
this in a game?
And it got this whole

597
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,680
conversation going about games
as art and what is pushing the

598
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,280
limits.
And so the movie has that

599
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,280
version of the scene.
In the actual release of the

600
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,480
game, it is toned down somewhat,
but it's still is pretty kind of

601
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,240
clear what you're supposed to be
imagining when James is in the

602
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,760
closet looking through.
And in this one, Pyramid Head

603
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,800
slams the big bug onto the table
and he's like punching it into

604
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,240
the table, but they're
positioning is very sexual and

605
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,400
you think and the bug, I'm not
trying to be crude, but the bug

606
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,760
has like a very feminine like
ass.

607
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,240
I was gonna say, did they need
to make this like creepy monster

608
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,680
so caked up like I'm like why?
Why would it felt like a little

609
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,760
much?
Right.

610
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,080
But I think it was, I think it
was trying to make you

611
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,640
uncomfortable and I think it
kind of succeeded in that

612
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,360
regard.
So then James suddenly awakes in

613
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,000
a hospital where a psychologist
explains that Mary died shortly

614
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,600
after their breakup and he has
become delusional and obsessed

615
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,200
with saving her.
The hospital transforms back

616
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,800
into Brookhaven and James is
able to deduce that Maria isn't

617
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,360
real, but is actually a
doppelganger of Mary.

618
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,080
He finds himself in a gallery
made-up of dozens of paintings

619
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,840
of Mary and declares that he
doesn't need Maria anymore.

620
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,880
Pyramid had suddenly appears
behind Maria and kills her.

621
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,960
James briefly sees a version of
himself under Pyramid Heads

622
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,160
mask.
So Pyramid Head has been for

623
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,800
you, a strictly horror movie
villain, Yes.

624
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,760
And what did you think of a
Pyramid Head kill?

625
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,800
And what did you think of James
being inside the helmet?

626
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,240
It felt very like Luke Skywalker
goes on Dagobah to fight Darth

627
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,600
Vader, and then he busts open
the Darth Vader and it's him.

628
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,280
He's he was the monster all
along.

629
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,840
Can you believe it?
Yeah.

630
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,480
It like, it felt like, oh, yeah.
Like, And then there's there's

631
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,680
the scene a few bits later where
he's like painting himself and

632
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,160
he draws like, kind of a Pyramid
Head design over him.

633
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,440
And it's like, oh.
So like, you know, you live long

634
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,520
enough to be like, you either
die here or you live long enough

635
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,440
to see yourself become the
Pyramid Head, you know?

636
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,680
So you didn't you You you rolled
your eyes pretty hard.

637
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,920
I I did a little bit.
We wasn't like rolled my eyes.

638
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,840
I was like, yeah, that's that's
kind of to be expected.

639
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,080
Like I don't think like it was
interesting that interesting or

640
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
saying anything revolution.
I was like, yeah, this kind of

641
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,600
old hat.
So this the second game very

642
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,480
much, I mean, it kind of just
directly states that the Pyramid

643
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,480
Head is there to punish James
because James feels guilty.

644
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,200
And the climax of that game is
that James deciding I don't need

645
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,800
you anymore.
I'm I'm done punishing myself

646
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,960
and it's cool because it's a
boss boss fight against 2

647
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,880
Pyramid Heads and they kill
themselves.

648
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Once James reaches that
conclusion, the fight ends on

649
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,240
its own, which is rare for like
a horror game, right?

650
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,200
Yeah.
And then Silent Hill Homecoming

651
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,560
had one of the possible endings,
one of the bad endings where if

652
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,960
you, you know, don't save
certain characters or you kill

653
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,480
certain human characters when
you could have shown the mercy,

654
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,120
the bad ending is demons
lowering each side of the

655
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,520
pyramid and then closing it
around your head.

656
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,000
And that was, that is the
canonical, you know, idea that

657
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,560
you can become a Pyramid head.
So I, I didn't hate it just

658
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,440
because I was kind of prepared
for the stupidity of it, but I

659
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,720
did.
I'm Derek.

660
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,400
Look, we had a little date
night, OK?

661
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,440
You know, I'm a cheap date.
OK, I'm a cheap date.

662
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,400
You know, give me some
Margaritaville.

663
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Give me a give me a
Schlotzburger in paradise.

664
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,680
Cheeseburger in paradise.
So there's a scene earlier where

665
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,520
James is looking through a hole
in the wall and watching a

666
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,600
horrible monster thing.
And it's like just his eye.

667
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,280
And then you also get that shot
of just his eye through the

668
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,520
chink in Pyramid Heads armor.
And so I was like, there's,

669
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,240
there's some kind of, I think I
think Christophe Gonz is a good

670
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,680
filmmaker that didn't
necessarily make a good film

671
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,639
here, but there's flashes of
something.

672
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,159
Right.
Like I like I said, I think you

673
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:14,520
know when he's working with, and
I will say that probably the

674
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,320
same thing about Danny Boyle and
his collaboration with Alex

675
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,560
Garland is that they are
impressive directors who can

676
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,239
make really visually stunning
stuff.

677
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,120
Yeah, but they need a good
script.

678
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,400
And I don't think he had a good
script.

679
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,320
Obviously, he didn't have a very
big budget.

680
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,679
He might not have had access to
the level of acting talent that

681
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,639
he had in some of the other
films.

682
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,600
And I think about this movie in
a way, I'm like, I wonder how

683
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,600
for me, when the Detective
Pikachu came out, I was like,

684
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,840
oh, my God, this is all this
incredible stuff.

685
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,560
Like all this stuff that I've
grown up my whole life being

686
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,360
like, this is so cool, seeing
all this stuff.

687
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,600
And I wonder if, like, somebody
hadn't had that same nostalgia

688
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,080
for the Pokémon franchise, if
they would have liked the movie.

689
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,360
They've been like, yeah, there
was some cool, like, battles and

690
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,280
stuff happening, but whatever,
you know?

691
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,440
And in the way that like now
this is how I'm approaching

692
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,960
Silent Hill was like, I don't
have any like interest in or

693
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,880
lore for Silent Hill other than
the movies that we I've seen,

694
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,600
one of which I liked, one of
which I didn't.

695
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,640
And even this the first film, I
kind of didn't love it on the

696
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,080
first watch.
I think like a lot of people, it

697
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,720
took me a while to roll around
to it.

698
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,760
It's a movie that like was very
disrespected in his time and now

699
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,520
is kind of seen as like maybe
like the first good video game

700
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,160
movie.
But you know, so I, I just

701
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,760
wonder how like how it hits
different between the two of us

702
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,400
because you having all this no
nostalgia and, you know, knowing

703
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,480
about the lore and stuff and me
just being like, this is just a

704
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,320
scary movie and that's it.
Yeah, and I realized I skipped

705
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,480
over his first encounter with
the Oh, no, no, I didn't skip

706
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,080
over it.
Never mind.

707
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,880
So I forgot there's two versions
of Mary.

708
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,680
There's the bug Mary, the big
moth Mary that's climbed along

709
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,920
along.
The Wall 8 versions of Mary, but

710
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,400
yes.
I thought I skipped over her

711
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,160
final form, but we're going to
get to that here.

712
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,160
So and I also I did, I did think
the Pyramid Head kill was kind

713
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,920
of sick in the way that he like
is just hoisting Maria up on

714
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,280
that sword like she's a kebab
and James is not even looking

715
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,320
and just there's so much blood.
And like, you know, from our

716
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,160
discussion of the first movie, I
love a good Pyramid Head kill.

717
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:24,080
And, you know, just because I
think that they're, like, really

718
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,640
gruesome in a kind of a fun way.
It kind of gets under your skin

719
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,560
with how violent it felt, at
least for me.

720
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,400
Yeah.
What did you think, though, of

721
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,080
this twist that, like, in the
middle of the movie, James is

722
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,240
constantly bouncing back and
forth between the hellish

723
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,720
version of Silent Hill with all
the monsters and then the limbo

724
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:43,840
version of Silence Hill with
just, or Silent Hill with the

725
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,240
fog.
But at this point in the movie,

726
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,440
we snap back to, like, actual
reality.

727
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,080
And he's not even in Silent
Hill.

728
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,440
He's like in a regular hospital,
and that's how you know this is

729
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,240
really taking place in his mind.
Did you like that or did you not

730
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,240
like?
That I liked that because it

731
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:01,760
still gave you enough reason to
doubt, right?

732
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,040
It still was like, yeah, this is
like happening in his mind, but

733
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,960
or is it like the whole movie
was so like not giving you

734
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,680
answers that I'm like, I could
take it being like, what's real?

735
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,560
Maybe the hospital, like the
real world isn't real.

736
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,840
You know, like maybe none, maybe
none of this is real.

737
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,040
Like, maybe like, you know, he's
going back and forth between

738
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,880
these different levels of Silent
Hill.

739
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Like they were kind of doing in
the first one where, you know,

740
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,080
Sean Bean is on like one plane
and he can't get to the other

741
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,080
plane, which, you know, his wife
and daughter are on.

742
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,560
And he's like maybe somehow
transitioning between those it

743
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:41,320
It's so it's so like visually
kind of just that's all you're

744
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,120
getting is the visuals.
You're not getting the any

745
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,160
definitive answers from the
script.

746
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,440
You're just getting the vibes.
This is very much a vibes movie,

747
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,520
I feel like.
And that was where it was most

748
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,040
successful or I was like, and I
will put we'll get to it when I

749
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,200
get to the end.
But that's how I feel about the

750
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,920
end too, is like, I'm like, you
could take the ending in number

751
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,360
of ways, just like you could
take that twist in the middle a

752
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,000
number of ways.
Yeah, I like that.

753
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,160
I hadn't really thought about
that.

754
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,960
And it calls back to Silent Hill
Revelation, a movie that I know

755
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,040
I was a surprising defender of.
If you just subscribe to Derek's

756
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,640
Patreon, of course you should.
So it's it's well worth the

757
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,520
money.
But is it the guy who played the

758
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,600
big monster in that one, Malcolm
McDowell, or something like

759
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,640
that?
How do you know what I'm talking

760
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,560
about?
Yeah, Malcolm.

761
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,560
Is he in that?
I can't even because I remember

762
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,280
Carrie Ann Moss is like the bad
guy.

763
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,960
And he's the one who's all blind
and like in the basement and

764
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,720
went mad.
Oh, yeah, that was, I totally

765
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,200
suspect that that was Malcolm
McDowell.

766
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,600
Like, he's, he's so good.
And that's another like good

767
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,600
actor just doing a big bad camp
performance.

768
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,280
But so my favorite line of his
in that pretty awful movie is he

769
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,840
said there are many Silent
Hills.

770
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,280
Are you sure you're in the right
1?

771
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,440
And I love that.
It's like establishing that this

772
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,080
is James's Silent Hill and we
all have a Silent Hill waiting

773
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,080
for us if we go down a dark
enough path.

774
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,640
And that, I think is really
interesting, which.

775
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,280
I'll say, which is why I also am
like, well, I don't know if I

776
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,720
didn't really take this as a
reboot as like this is just

777
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:07,560
another Silent Hill because it
doesn't make sense

778
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,560
chronologically with those other
two films.

779
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,600
But this is his Silent Hill,
like for like.

780
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,720
And my whole thing is like,
well, whenever when somebody

781
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,440
comes to Silent Hill, you know,
whatever point in their life,

782
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,960
it's going to be different for
them.

783
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,440
You know, it's going to be like,
it's, it doesn't make you.

784
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,480
I think you can't think of it in
terms of like real world

785
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,680
chronology that makes sense
because Silent Hill, there are

786
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,600
many Silent Hills.
It doesn't make sense in a way

787
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,440
of just like, Oh yeah, this is
existed and the fire happened to

788
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,440
this year.
It's like, no, it happened this

789
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,680
way for James.
It happened differently for Sean

790
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,880
Bean.
It happened differently from

791
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,320
Malcolm McDowell, you know. 100
percent, 100% So let's wrap it

792
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,440
up here.
James awakens outside of the

793
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,960
Lakeview Hotel, which he and
Mary used to frequent.

794
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,360
Inside, he encounters Laura, who
explains that she, Maria, and

795
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Angela are all figments of
James's imagination based on

796
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,640
different aspects of Mary's
personality.

797
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,600
James also sees a vision of
Angela being attacked and

798
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,600
enveloped by a ferocious monster
resembling Mary's father.

799
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,400
James makes it to the roof of
the Lakeview Hotel, where he has

800
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,040
a final flashback.
James recalls that he returned

801
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,200
to Silent Hill several months
prior to find Mary.

802
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,120
Mary dying of a prolonged
illness caused by the cult

803
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,720
drugging her.
James smothers her to death in a

804
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,560
mercy killing to end her
suffering, and a moth like

805
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,840
version of Mary appears before
James and he apologizes to her,

806
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,080
which causes her to transform
back into Mary's human body.

807
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,480
James places her corpse in his
car and drives off a pier in

808
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,240
apparent suicide.
He suddenly wakes up in the

809
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:38,240
moment where he and Mary met and
relives their first encounter,

810
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,520
but this time he chooses not to
take her back to Silent Hill,

811
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:46,960
instead driving away.
So a lot to unpack there.

812
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,760
Yeah.
First of all, what did you think

813
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,480
of the twist that all the women
we've been seeing are just

814
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,680
different parts of his memories
of Mary?

815
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,800
Yeah, I thought that was
interesting.

816
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:05,160
It's a, it was a, a way to
tackle the like the idea of this

817
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,920
guy coming back for, you know,
his love.

818
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,720
And it's just is he in love with
her or is he in love with like

819
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,960
the ideal of her?
The, you know, the like the

820
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,560
ideal version of her.
And you get the different

821
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,520
versions of her where he was
like her first meter and she's

822
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,800
like carrying those bags to the
river.

823
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,880
And then you see her later and
it's just like the kind of the

824
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,000
sexy goth girl version of her
with the bad wig.

825
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,920
And then, you know, you get like
all these dip and then you get

826
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,320
the spooky monster.
Like you get all these different

827
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,440
interpretations.
And it's like, OK, maybe none of

828
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,040
these are really her.
Maybe these are all just his,

829
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,880
like, you know, his
interpretation of his memories

830
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,360
of her.
And then when he finally, you

831
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,040
know, remembers like, oh, that
he was the one who killed her,

832
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,960
you know, Mercy killed her.
And like, he kind of is able to

833
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,480
reckon with, you know, her, her
actual spirit, you know, at

834
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,000
least that's my interpretation
of it.

835
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,800
Yeah.
And, and I think that it is

836
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,040
interesting.
That's that's one of the reasons

837
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,560
why I think that I'm a defender
of this movie is that again, it

838
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,360
doesn't, it doesn't really work.
Nothing is particularly like

839
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,200
they didn't really nail
anything.

840
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,640
But this idea of different
aspects of a person you really

841
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,040
love, because when you really
love someone, they can be the

842
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,680
sexiest person in the world.
They can, they can drive you

843
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,000
incredibly angry.
You can want to protect them.

844
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,560
And so, you know, all these
different women he's

845
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,320
encountering and them all being
married to him in different ways

846
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,800
Now fans are upset because
Angela and Laura are kind of fan

847
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,120
favorite characters.
And so they didn't like the sort

848
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,720
of erasure of them and saying,
wow, I was Mary the whole time,

849
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,000
you know?
And there there was a big and

850
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,160
this was an unintentional for
sure laugh when they were like

851
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,320
her.
Do you remember her name?

852
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,120
Her full name?
It's Mary Angela Elizabeth

853
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,040
Josephine.
Like they they named all the

854
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,440
characters.
And they show like ACG

855
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,640
Tombstone, like it's just like,
oh, I, I really feel like

856
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,600
there's an alternate world where
Christophe Gonz never moved away

857
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,040
from this project.
And this was a straight to DVD

858
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,640
sequel released in like 2009.
And people would really like it.

859
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,320
And they'd be like the Scorpion
King sequels where it's like

860
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,080
these, these are actually OK for
what they're trying to be.

861
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,640
Yeah, and it felt like a
straight to DVD sequel.

862
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,520
Yeah, 2009, you know.
I almost wonder if a theatrical

863
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,640
release was a mistake and they
should have just went straight

864
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,000
to streaming with this.
Right, because it had such a

865
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,320
long weird Rd. where, you know,
we talked about this movie like

866
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,440
we're like, when is it going to
come out?

867
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,480
Because it was supposed to come
out in 2025.

868
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,320
And we were like, OK, well, we
have plans to see this.

869
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,440
When is it happening?
Because I, you know, it had been

870
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,640
shot over 2023 and 2024 in like
50 days.

871
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,840
And then I think it sat on the
shelf because they made it

872
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,600
independently because it was had
a really hard time finding a

873
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,800
distributor.
And I think like we can kind of

874
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,160
see why.
And yeah, like maybe if it would

875
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,880
have gone sold to like a
streamer, but I don't even know

876
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,280
if that like what streamer would
necessarily want to take this,

877
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,480
you know, and, and even when it
dropped, I didn't see any

878
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,920
trailers for this or anything.
I just know, know I just kind of

879
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,000
like was practically checking in
on it and then saw like, oh,

880
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,720
it's coming out in January.
And then like I saw in my AMC

881
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,440
app, it was like, boom, like
coming soon.

882
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,920
I was like, all right.
And I like text you like Jameel,

883
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,280
let's go.
You didn't even know that it was

884
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,200
happening.
I'm like, let's set, let's set a

885
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,320
date and let's go see this
movie.

886
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,360
And it was even, it was even in
one like the AMC in Universal,

887
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,200
one of the biggest theaters in,
you know, the country.

888
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,360
And it was like on in one tiny
little theater, you know?

889
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,200
Yeah, I think Five Nights at
Freddy's 2, which has been out

890
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,720
for months, had a bigger show.
Yeah.

891
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:42,800
But so I want to talk about the
Angela scene because this is one

892
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,680
of the most memorable moments of
the game.

893
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,720
Her character was the victim of
sexual violence from her father,

894
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,680
and she has horrible trauma from
that.

895
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,840
And so in a room with these very
phallic Pistons moving in and

896
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,240
out of the walls, you have to
fight this thing called the

897
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:02,560
abstract Daddy.
And it's a very horrific boss

898
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,200
fight because it's like you can
tell under a sheet that there

899
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,080
are two figures in there, and
one is definitely the victim of

900
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,200
the other, but they're moving as
one horrific moment embodied in

901
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,960
a creature.
But this movie just made it way

902
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,960
more explicit where you can
actually see the sheets and you

903
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,440
can see the look of horror of
Angela as her father is on top

904
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,200
of her.
And I'm sorry, like if you're

905
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,440
listening to this and it's
really upsetting, but like, they

906
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,560
just went there.
But I feel conflicted because I

907
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,920
kind of respect that they did
that moment.

908
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,760
I was actually just reading a
YouTube argument saying the

909
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,440
feminists are never going to let
the abstract daddy be in this

910
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,280
movie.
And I was like, oh that age like

911
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,320
milk huh you freaking idiot.
Like they went there but then

912
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:52,480
also they didn't really respect
the power and horror of that

913
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,520
moment.
It's almost just used to be

914
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,200
spooky.
So I don't know.

915
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,200
What did you you picked up on
that right?

916
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,360
The sort of sexual.
Honestly, I didn't, I cannot

917
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,640
like didn't even like I was.
It just looked like a kind of

918
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,080
like vague sheet.
And if I, I think if I had known

919
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,200
for what it was and I knew what
I was looking at, I would

920
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:14,560
probably have picked up on it.
But I didn't even get what I was

921
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,920
seeing there.
You know, it was.

922
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,280
And it might be because it was
just so dark and stuff and like,

923
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,560
I didn't really, you know, had I
was had no idea what I was

924
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,560
seeing.
I was just like, oh, it's like a

925
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:25,720
sheet.
OK.

926
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,280
So yeah, now with that context,
that makes a lot more sense.

927
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,880
Right.
And there's like a moment when

928
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,920
he's talking to her and the
sheets are grabbing her bare

929
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,600
legs and it's.
That that I did, yeah.

930
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,320
That was like, OK that I did get
that.

931
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,080
Right.
But so, you know, I don't know,

932
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,200
I just, I just couldn't believe
that that was from the game into

933
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,560
this movie.
I just don't know if they should

934
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,200
have gone for something so awful
if they weren't prepared to make

935
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,720
a statement about it or like.
Now that you're saying the thing

936
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:59,080
about the grabbing the legs, I'm
like remembering.

937
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,280
I'm like, Oh yeah, there was, it
did seem like something was

938
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,600
happening in the sheets.
Like it's kind of coming back to

939
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,520
me a little bit now because it
was still kind of obscured.

940
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:13,120
Yeah, but you could tell that
like there was a woman being

941
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,920
restrained, for lack of a better
term.

942
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,440
Right.
Yeah, exactly.

943
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,640
But it is also kind of a neat
parallel because the other final

944
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,720
boss monster of this movie is
Mary's form.

945
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:30,000
She's in a hospital bed, and the
hospital bed sheets are her moth

946
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,400
wings.
And she, like, reaches down and

947
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,040
grabs after him.
And I really liked this because

948
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,240
at the end of the game, the last
boss is kind of lame.

949
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,920
It's it's, it's a really easy
boss fight.

950
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,040
And she's kind of just
clattering around and what sort

951
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,880
of looks like a hospital bed,
but with every other monster

952
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,600
being so imaginative, it just
feels like a real shrug.

953
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,200
And I like this moment because
you're flashing back to the

954
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,320
moment that James Mercy killed
his wife.

955
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,840
And this classical music we've
been hearing from the radio this

956
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,920
whole time was what was on the
radio when he killed Mary.

957
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,560
And there's all these horrible
moths because a moth flew into

958
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,480
the room right at the moment she
died.

959
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,600
And like the sheets, you know,
all the sheet monsters are

960
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,160
because he smothered her.
And he feels really guilty about

961
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,160
it.
What kills me though, is that in

962
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,240
the game, it's not a mercy
killing.

963
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:22,320
He basically, and it kind of is,
and it kind of isn't like she's

964
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,960
ready to die, but there's
clearly a moment where she like

965
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,360
is fighting him and he doesn't
stop.

966
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:31,280
What did you what did you think
about that reveal that he's the

967
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,120
one who killed Mary?
Yeah, I mean, that was another

968
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,240
thing where too, I was like,
this guy's clearly got some

969
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:42,240
repressed trauma, like where
he's like not saying like he

970
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:43,840
doesn't remember that she's
dead.

971
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,560
He doesn't remember how long
it's been and the fact that he

972
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,040
was the one who mercy killed her
made a lot of sense that he

973
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,080
would like.
That's why he does.

974
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,840
He repressed that memory of her
being dead and that's why he

975
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,280
feels so guilty and then him
essentially after that

976
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,800
committing suicide, you know,
because of the guilt that he

977
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,480
still feels.
It made a lot of sense.

978
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,400
And I think heard that kind of
moth form that she takes also

979
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,640
makes sense.
Like you mentioned, the moth

980
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,600
flies in.
There's a lot of other moth

981
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,240
stuff that's in this movie, like
they often flutter up on the

982
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,680
windows.
There's of course, in one of

983
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,960
her, you know, appearances she
has when she's got like the

984
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,840
midriff, she's got the moth
tattoo in, you know, as Angela,

985
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,680
I guess is that character.
No, that's Maria when she's

986
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,720
Maria.
So it it felt like it was

987
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:37,120
building up to that.
It wasn't just out of nowhere.

988
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,360
They had done the legwork to
make that imagery pay off at the

989
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,920
end.
Yeah, and it's interesting

990
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,320
because Silent Hill 2 has a
number of endings, and there's a

991
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,200
constant debate about what is
the canonical ending.

992
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,800
And my personal favorite is the
one they went with here, which

993
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,080
is James talking to the audience
slash player, and it ends with

994
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,920
his headlights of his car
driving into the lake.

995
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,680
And it's been confirmed with the
director that, like, the car

996
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,120
that you leave from the
beginning of the game had Mary's

997
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,440
body in it the whole time.
And this whole game has been him

998
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,280
dealing with what he's just
done.

999
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:18,080
But I, I, I was very surprised
at the twist ending, which is as

1000
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,600
he drowns in the lake, he wakes
up again on the side of the

1001
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:27,680
road.
And there is a you're aware that

1002
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,640
they've recently remade Silent
Hill too?

1003
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,920
Yeah.
So it does not change much in

1004
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,800
the story, but one of the
biggest changes they make is

1005
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,080
that they have corpses of James
throughout the game.

1006
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,000
And you are playing as James
finding your own corpse around

1007
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,640
Silent Hill.
And this one is like it's feet

1008
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,680
are sticking out of a dumpster.
And this one's like up against

1009
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,320
the fence.
And you're like that.

1010
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,560
Why are there all these dead
bodies of me?

1011
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,320
And I guess there's these
Polaroid collectibles.

1012
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,320
You can find 20 different
Polaroids.

1013
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,120
And if you get them all and you
look on the back of them, the

1014
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,520
message says, you have been here
for two decades.

1015
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:09,120
And so James is trapped in a
loop of constantly reliving this

1016
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,160
experience over and over and
over again.

1017
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,280
So I didn't even know that was a
thing until this happened.

1018
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,360
And I was like, oh, that's,
that's that's another example of

1019
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,720
you cannot like this movie if
you want.

1020
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:25,680
But there was an attempt to look
at the fans of the series and

1021
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,240
go, like, I see you.
I know.

1022
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:30,400
I know what makes Silent Hill
interesting.

1023
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,120
And I'm going to try so A for
effort, B for effort, C for

1024
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,360
effort.
And I wonder if, you know, this

1025
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,120
one will come around like the
first one did, because as we

1026
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,160
talked about, the first one was
not well received when it came

1027
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,720
out.
This one is being very, very not

1028
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:47,440
well received.
I think I looked it up and it's,

1029
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,920
it's got an even worse letterbox
score than silent until two.

1030
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,440
Yeah, by like a point or point O
.1 or whatever.

1031
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,160
And I'm just like, that's wild
to me.

1032
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:01,080
But yeah, so I, I wonder, you
know, with if, if like, you

1033
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,840
know, looks like with the Star
Wars prequels now, like those

1034
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,040
movies were reviled and now
people, people love them and,

1035
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,520
and now and like, now, like the
generation that grew up with

1036
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,720
like the Star Wars sequels are
starting to like them.

1037
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,960
So I think, you know,
everything, once you have enough

1038
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,360
nostalgia for them, they come
back around.

1039
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,360
So I wonder if that will happen
with this movie or if it's just

1040
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,480
destiny to be like, forgotten.
You know, if you can stay in the

1041
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,840
cultural memory, it might.
I, I think maybe I think part of

1042
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,120
the reason why the Star Wars
prequels have been so, like

1043
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,760
reassessed is that like the
younger generation, they spend

1044
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,600
so much time watching amateur
content creators that they don't

1045
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,360
really expect the level of like,
acting like everything is

1046
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,200
schlocky to them.
Well, the prequels, that's ours,

1047
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,160
our generation, they grew up.
The prequels.

1048
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,800
It's not even like the younger
generation.

1049
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,120
Right, but the younger
generation I think are the ones

1050
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,840
who are like these are the these
are better.

1051
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,200
There's a very strong section of
the Star Wars fan base that

1052
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,680
think the three prequels are the
best 3 movies.

1053
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,600
Yeah, I mean, I, I mean, talk,
there's a lot of people our age

1054
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,040
who will go to bat about return
Revenge of the Sith being like

1055
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,840
in a masterpiece.
And I'm just like, it's fine, I

1056
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,760
like it.
You know it's not The Empire

1057
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,720
Strikes Back.
Yeah, I hear you.

1058
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,080
OK, well, so I think we covered
the joy pros and joy cons of

1059
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,840
this movie.
Anything else to say before we

1060
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,360
render our verdicts?
Yeah.

1061
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,160
I mean, I will say just a couple
like stray thoughts, straight

1062
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,200
joy pros and joy cons on the end
of the movie.

1063
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,440
I kind of alluded to that.
I liked the ambiguity of it

1064
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,040
because as we said, he drives in
the lake and then you get the

1065
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,560
whole reveal and it makes you be
like, oh, was this whole thing a

1066
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,400
dream?
Did he time travel?

1067
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,920
Is this his like, dying fantasy?
And I think it could be any of

1068
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,240
those.
And it doesn't give you a

1069
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:42,800
definitive answer.
So it's like, yeah, you want to

1070
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,520
have the happy ending.
It's able to because a movie

1071
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:48,280
can't give you multiple endings
like a video game can.

1072
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,600
And this finds a way to kind of
do that where it's like you can

1073
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,120
be like, Hey, this is the happy
ending, or you can be like, I my

1074
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,760
interpretation is probably
personally that like, no, I

1075
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,960
think he's just imagining this
and he's this is his dying

1076
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,600
thoughts.
Or it could be like it was all

1077
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,280
in his head, Like you could take
it a number of different ways.

1078
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,440
But I like that it's ambiguous
and you don't have a definitive

1079
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,600
answer.
I think I would like it a lot

1080
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,280
less if it did like have a
definitive answer.

1081
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,120
I think it's almost like the top
spinning at the end of

1082
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,240
inception.
My other last pro, joint Pro, is

1083
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:22,960
that the composer for this is
the actual composer for the

1084
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,760
Silent Hill games, Akira Yamoca
and Christoph Ganz said he

1085
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,280
wouldn't even do the film if
that composer did not come on

1086
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,200
and do it.
And yeah, this sounds, this

1087
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,720
movie sounds like a Silent Hill
game.

1088
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,600
And I will say, you know, that's
because they got the person who

1089
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,600
wrote the Silent Hill music to
write the music for this film.

1090
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,960
Yeah, and not to embarrass you,
but you had to run out to the

1091
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,640
bathroom.
So you missed, you missed a lot

1092
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,440
of really cool credit sequence
like.

1093
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,800
With the with with.
That game music kicking in and

1094
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,800
there's all these cool visuals.
I was like, oh man, Derek's

1095
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,960
missing the best part of the
movie, The credits.

1096
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,560
That says a lot about the movie.
The credits are the best part of

1097
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,560
the movie.
Can I revise that You missed the

1098
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,920
most polished part of the movie.
OK, fair, fair.

1099
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,160
Which was the credit sequence?
Yes.

1100
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,760
All right, well, so we cover the
joy pros and joy cons of Return

1101
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,200
to Silent Hill.
Derek, we only have two on this

1102
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,920
show.
Is it a Nintendo or a Nintendo?

1103
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,280
I think it's a it's a Nintend
don't, but just ever so

1104
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,720
slightly, you know, like I, I
don't hate this movie as much as

1105
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:25,440
a lot of people, but I still
would not necessarily recommend

1106
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,920
this to anyone except for maybe
the most hardcore Silent Hill

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00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,520
fans.
And even then, like I feel like

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00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,120
they might be like, well, they
changed it now it sucks.

1109
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,120
Yeah, they're mad the Silent
Hill fan base is not happy.

1110
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The Reddit is a raging and and
it's this awkward thing.

1111
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,440
It's like Ghostbusters 2016.
Actually, that movie was

1112
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,600
actually way better than this
one.

1113
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,360
That's not a great comparison
that movie like, but but so,

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00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:54,240
yeah, you know, for me, I, I
think if you're willing to check

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00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,520
your brain at the door, right,
and just prepare yourself for

1116
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,480
some pretty atrocious CG acting
as hit or miss, I think you can

1117
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,880
appreciate the ways that this
movie is attempting a big swing.

1118
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:11,040
So for me, it's a Nintendo, and
this is motivated almost

1119
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,640
entirely by nostalgia for the
second game, but it's my

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00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,000
favorite Silent Hill movie.
Like, I'm sorry, really, it is.

1121
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,600
It is.
More than the first one.

1122
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,320
More than the first one, because
I feel like the first one

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00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,800
meanders more and this one had
more of a laser focus.

1124
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,760
Like we're going to tell a story
about this incredibly

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00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,600
traumatized young man and
everything will connect to him.

1126
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:40,200
And I feel like the narrative
sort of pulls away from the

1127
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,640
mother daughter relationship too
much in the first one.

1128
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,120
Again, not, you know, I like I
like all three of these movies

1129
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:51,160
for different reasons, but I'm
just it ties back to what kind

1130
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,160
of Silent Hill game I like.
There's two types.

1131
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,760
There's the lore heavy one and
the psychological 1.

1132
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,960
And I've always been a fan of
the psychological.

1133
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,680
So even as sloppy as it is, this
is a Nintendo for me.

1134
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,040
And I'm excited because that
means we get to throw it to our

1135
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,080
listeners on the Discord.
So join the Discord on

1136
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,480
www.theoldswitcheroo.com if
anyone else sees this movie if.

1137
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,120
You're one of the four people
who watched this movie.

1138
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,320
Please let us know.
All right, so we're gonna call

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00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,080
that game over for today.
This concludes our final verdict

1140
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,360
return to Silent Hill.
It's a tie, so we'll see how it

1141
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:28,840
all shakes out.
We'll see what this movie's

1142
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,040
legacy ends up being.
Derek, thank you so much for

1143
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,200
talking Silent Hill with me over
and over.

1144
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,960
Before you get on out of here,
why don't you remind our people

1145
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,080
where they can find your stuff?
Yeah, absolutely.

1146
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,080
So you can find my podcast list,
You mentioned the underrated

1147
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,200
movie podcast.
However you're listening to

1148
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,160
this, you can also go to
underratedmoviepodcast.com or

1149
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,120
look up Underrated Movie podcast
on any of the socials and

1150
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,040
Underrated and all the other
podcast stuff I do will be

1151
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,400
there.
That sounds northeast excellent.

1152
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,400
Everyone join us next time we'll
be spreading the happiness with

1153
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,720
chibi Robo on the game cube.
Huge vibe shift.

1154
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,200
Yeah, like what's happening in
the world in this movie then

1155
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,400
chibi robo.
So it's like we recorded that

1156
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,440
way in advance.
Until next time, Please remember

1157
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,640
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1158
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,680
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1159
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,720
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1160
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,520
to find our social media links.
We'd love to hear what you

1161
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,360
thought about this episode or
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1162
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,760
future episodes.
As always, thanks for listening

1163
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,440
to the Old Switcheroo where
we're normally talking gaming

1164
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,480
retro with Mike and Jamo.
I'm still not Mike.

1165
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,720
But I've been jamo game on
everyone.